:buttkick: <---------check it out!!!


did you see the FROWN that the irackie prisoner made before being kicked!??! i mean.....here he is smiling, and a cruel, inhumane, unmoral, hate-filled, war-mongering allied soldier POINTED A ****ING FINGER AT HIM!!!!

then look at the kick.



so cold.




so sudden.







not quite as humane, say a.........decapitation.


anywayz, here's more accounts (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=3&u=/nm/20040728/ts_nm/iraq_rights_britain_dc) of terrible abuses committed to these people. for those too stupid, i'll sum up the "graphic depiction. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED:

-hitting
-kicking
-pouring cold water on them
-making them dance like michael jackson
-making them recite names of football players


I now understand why they hate us. my eyes are open to the frustration. all of a sudden, decapitations and 70 dead civilians makes perfect sense. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20040728/ts_nm/iraq_dc)

You know what I'm going to say so what's the point of arguing about an old subject.

You know what I'm going to say so what's the point of arguing about an old subject.


nunyo: give peace a chance
rockstar: it won't work in this situation
nunyo: yes it will cause it's peaceful
rockstar: check out the facts and stats
nunyo: yeah but it's peaceful
rockstar: but it nets more death
nunyo: death is bad
rockstar: exactly!
nunyo: peace is good
rockstar: ....ok
nunyo: we should give out hugs
rockstar: you ****in hippy
nunyo: stop it
rockstar: hippy
nunyo: quit it!
rockstar: hippy
nunyo: doesn't hurt!!
rockstar: hippy hippy hippy
nunyo: :grr:
rockstar: :headbang:

LOL!! Not really like that.

I don't just think peace. Sometimes war is necessary.

on the bright side, we saved our ADD riddled posters the trouble of reading a 4+ page thread :)

Well I could start expressing my views on this subject, but I'd just be repeating myself. I hate repeating myself. My words must be law the instance they are uttered!

I always picture Nuno hugging a tree and Purity on a stool trying to kick someone in the head.

Hell no! Trees got ticks n **** in em, yo!

plus he might accidently crush a tick to death when he's hugging the tree.

sandwiching ticks is baaaad.
death is baaaad.

NO. :- l

ticks have feelings too y' know.




nunyo=heartless ****

STFU ticklover!!!

:pogo:

:nutkick:

You know, when I first met Nuno and started taking about MMA I thought his reaction was gonna be like: "That is just plain brutal!"

Don't know why, but I was expecting that reaction.

I know what's good and what's bad.

MMA is MAD kewl!!

We ****ed witht the prisoners - we did not abuse them

Getting a bunch of naked Iraqi prisoners to form a pyramid is sexual abuse. I'd rather they get beat up then this ****ing gay ****.

they are breaking them down and embaressing them

riiiiiight. It's still gay.

unlike cutting off heads in manners that "would not air it as it was too gruesome".

Looks like good times to me. Demoralize the terrorist ****s....

http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/prison/abu-ghraib/ghraib-pile2-larger.jpg
http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/prison/abu-ghraib/iraqabuse5.jpg

You know, when I first met Nuno and started taking about MMA I thought his reaction was gonna be like: "That is just plain brutal!"

Don't know why, but I was expecting that reaction.
**** bro, I'm surprised he playd Socom.

he just pretends that they're rubber bullets.

hahaha

unlike cutting off heads in manners that "would not air it as it was too gruesome".

I'd rather we kill them grusomely than act like a bunch of ******s playing ****** games.

yet when i suggest death as a retaliation then all of a sudden it's not the answer. Obviously you will only support something as long as it's for a terrorist cause.

You suggest kill them all. When most of "them all" are innocent. That's why I don't agree with you.

And **** you shortstack!! I don't support terrorism.

nope.
nunyo=hippy terrorist

What?
Toni=Bigot Imperialist.

don't worry. bin laden always acts real peaceful when he's getting interviewed. so i guess he's kinda like a hippy terrorist too.

you could be bin laden's twin brother!

Seriously. WTF are you talking about? I don't like the terrorist because they're cowards and I don't like our current government cause they're morons. I ***** about our government because they make us look bad in the world's eye.

i'll tell ya in a lil bit. right now, it's end of the month and i'm swamped. i'll break it down why i'm right & you're wrong when i get home. i'll try ta keep it as short as possible so i don't wanna hear any *****in.

for the time being, i have to donate a pulse to this board and amuse myself by making short lil dickhead comments about yer political stances.

with that in mind, yer also a communist.
hippy terrorism supporting communist.
can we possibly sink any lower?

Hippy + Communist = John Kerry

i'll tell ya in a lil bit. right now, it's end of the month and i'm swamped. i'll break it down why i'm right & you're wrong when i get home. i'll try ta keep it as short as possible so i don't wanna hear any *****in.

for the time being, i have to donate a pulse to this board and amuse myself by making short lil dickhead comments about yer political stances.

with that in mind, yer also a communist.
hippy terrorism supporting communist.
can we possibly sink any lower?


Don't bother. I'm not in the mood for a long argument.

well you won't see it till tomorrow. will you be in a more sunshiney mood then?

Possibly. Go for it.

Seriously. WTF are you talking about? I don't like the terrorist because they're cowards and I don't like our current government cause they're morons. I ***** about our government because they make us look bad in the world's eye.
I'd prolly ***** and complain about the US if I was from an insignificant, ****hole, 3rd world country too. Does'nt mean that you need to side with them. If our government is so ****ed up, what do you consider a good one? And while you're thinking of that place..... consider moving there. Thanks.

Australia = The right answer.

You spell Tony with an "i"? Toni? That's pretty ***ged out, dude.

You spell Tony with an "i"? Toni? That's pretty ***ged out, dude.

That was the point. He mispelled my name. I ***ged his name. Get it.

the point was that you were complaining about ***ging and you ***ged.....***!

I'd prolly ***** and complain about the US if I was from an insignificant, ****hole, 3rd world country too. Does'nt mean that you need to side with them. If our government is so ****ed up, what do you consider a good one? And while you're thinking of that place..... consider moving there. Thanks.


You know, comments like that make me want to kick your ****ing teeth in. At no point did I refer to my country(Portugal) in my post. I was referring to the US as my country(which it is, cause I live here.) I was referring to how this war has made us(the US) look like fools. Therefore making me feel less proud to be an american citizen. I was proud to be a citizen when Clinton was in charge. I try to be more clear for you next time so you don't make another assumption.

AND don't ever make a remark about a country you know nothing about. Say it to my face if you got a problem with Portugal. Not over the internet.

my mom's name is Toni....

the point was that you were complaining about ***ging and you ***ged.....***!

**** you, ***!

**** you, ***!

no, **** YOU ***!!!

I was proud to be a citizen when Clinton was in charge..

Clinton is sooooo dreamy.

Clinton is sooooo dreamy.

yes :flirt:

You know, comments like that make me want to kick your ****ing teeth in. At no point did I refer to my country(Portugal) in my post. I was referring to the US as my country(which it is, cause I live here.) I was referring to how this war has made us(the US) look like fools. Therefore making me feel less proud to be an american citizen. I was proud to be a citizen when Clinton was in charge. I try to be more clear for you next time so you don't make another assumption.

AND don't ever make a remark about a country you know nothing about. Say it to my face if you got a problem with Portugal. Not over the internet.

i don't think he was referring to portugal. i think he was referring to the terrorists. so lemme get this straight, you're only proud to be a citizen of your country as long as the rest of the world is happy with your nation's political policies? that's like those *****es at clubs who all of a sudden start giving me more attention cause i got outt've a porsche.

i don't think he was referring to portugal. i think he was referring to the terrorists. so lemme get this straight, you're only proud to be a citizen of your country as long as the rest of the world is happy with your nation's political policies? that's like those *****es at clubs who all of a sudden start giving me more attention cause i got outt've a porsche.

Is it so hard to understand what I'm saying. I can't be proud to be a citizen when this country is invading countries for the wrong reasons. I can't be proud when our president has the intellect of a chimp. Our leaders are acting like war mongering fools. "Going to war cause they want too, not cause they have too." I love the US. It has giving me alot. I just want better leadership so I can be proud again to be in this country.

To answer Doggs question of what I consider a good goverment. Go back to the 8 years Clinton was in charge. I was proud to be a citizen back then. I hope Kerry wins so I can regaing that feeling.

i understand what you're saying. it's one thing to not be proud or happy with some of the current policies that are goin down but it's another thing to say that you're not proud to be an American citizen.
switching back n' forth between pride for the country you reside in is weak dude.

I think that what Nuno is trying to say is that we are part of the world, not the center of the universe. We need to comply with the rules and regulations of the UN just like every other Country. We must lead by example, that is what good leader do.

the way i see it, i love my country like i love my family. sure i got some bad apples in my family, sure certain members in my family have ****ed me over....but family has taken care of me in the long run. although flawed (like every familiy), they're a good family and i'm proud to have them in my life. i look at a lott've good things that i got goin for me and i believe a vast amount of them were obtained by good character that's built by having a good family.

never would i not be proud of my last name. regardless of the stupid **** people do (and everybody does stupid ****), you just don't sell out loyalty, respect, and love.

so that's where i'm comin from.

I think that what Nuno is trying to say is that we are part of the world, not the center of the universe. We need to comply with the rules and regulations of the UN just like every other Country. We must lead by example, that is what good leader do.

i know that's his overall point. and it's a good point to have. but, even though we're not acting in the best interest of the UN, how can you deny that people we are at war with are 100 times more animalistic?

people ***** at bush for talkin like an retard and being greedy for oil, yet ignore the fact that we're fighting people who have been killing and torturing millions of people for the last 600 years over a zealous issues on a religion that they can't even get straight.

how can we be so evil because we stacked naked prisoners in a pyramid when these ****ers are CUTTING HEADS OFF?!!? set the whole "America needs to show an example" issue aside and just compare the ACTUAL treatment of pow's on both sides. how can you deny that?

You know, comments like that make me want to kick your ****ing teeth in. At no point did I refer to my country(Portugal) in my post. I was referring to the US as my country(which it is, cause I live here.) I was referring to how this war has made us(the US) look like fools. Therefore making me feel less proud to be an american citizen. I was proud to be a citizen when Clinton was in charge. I try to be more clear for you next time so you don't make another assumption.

AND don't ever make a remark about a country you know nothing about. Say it to my face if you got a problem with Portugal. Not over the internet.

Cry me a river *****. You just ****in whined a paragraph in complete misunderstanding of what I meant. Thats what happens when typing over the internet. Don't come off like your ****in Macho Camacho with this "say it to my face ****". Even if I was talkin **** on your country.... it happens all the time here with Canaduh... and I don't see Squezze, Gman nor Creed makin bull**** threats like somethings gonna happen. Pipe down slut, you're gettin too riled up over nothing. Besides, how do you know what I know and don't know about Portugal?

Purity understood what I meant. Quit jumpin to conclusions, tree hugger. One minute its world peace, the next your wanting to kick in the teeth of a fellow American. You're ass backwards in almost everything you say. "Don't ever make a remark about a country you know nothing about". WHAT?!?!?!!?! I don't see you sayin that to Creed or Gman when they slam the US, which is quite odd because you're so quick to back up Portugal and I was'n even talkin about that ****in place. You do it day in and day out. You're saying that I should only talk about the United States in a Politcal Forum? I should'nt comment my thoughts on any other countries? You make remarks about other countries all day so take that **** somewhere else, holmes skilett..... and die.

Welcome back, ***. I am glad the happy, picture posting shorty is gone.

set the whole "America needs to show an example" issue aside and just compare the ACTUAL treatment of pow's on both sides. how can you deny that?


We can't set it aside. One thing I strongly believe in is respect. It doesn't matter what others do. We have to respect ourselves and our nation by not stooping to such disgusting levels. We also have to respect our alliances in the UN. We can't just say "**** you where doing it anyway" whenever we disagree. We're acting like righteous rebels. Assuming that everything we do is right and not giving a damn about the rest of the world or the consequences are actions may have. This nation needs to conduct it self with self respect or else we'll start losing the respect of other nations. We need to be a good example to the rest of the world(due to our power). We cannot do things using fear as our weapon or else we are no better than terrorists.

Cry me a river *****. You just ****in whined a paragraph in complete misunderstanding of what I meant. Thats what happens when typing over the internet. Don't come off like your ****in Macho Camacho with this "say it to my face ****". Even if I was talkin **** on your country.... it happens all the time here with Canaduh... and I don't see Squezze, Gman nor Creed makin bull**** threats like somethings gonna happen. Pipe down slut, you're gettin too riled up over nothing. Besides, how do you know what I know and don't know about Portugal?

Purity understood what I meant. Quit jumpin to conclusions, tree hugger. One minute its world peace, the next your wanting to kick in the teeth of a fellow American. You're ass backwards in almost everything you say. "Don't ever make a remark about a country you know nothing about". WHAT?!?!?!!?! I don't see you sayin that to Creed or Gman when they slam the US, which is quite odd because you're so quick to back up Portugal and I was'n even talkin about that ****in place. You do it day in and day out. You're saying that I should only talk about the United States in a Politcal Forum? I should'nt comment my thoughts on any other countries? You make remarks about other countries all day so take that **** somewhere else, holmes skilett..... and die.

OK, so explain yourself a little better. If you weren't talking about Portugal, I apologize. Us portuguese are very patriotic. We don't take **** like the Canadians(no offense). Just explain to me again what you were trying to say in the previous post.

when Clinton was in charge ahahahahahahahahhaahahahah - Clinton = crap president

No matter who is president I will always be proud to be an american

Welcome back, ***. I am glad the happy, picture posting shorty is gone.
amen

I understand you can never hate your country. This isn't my birth country so I don't have the same feelings for it as you do. I've been proud to be citizen ever since I've been here, though. Once Bush took office, my feelings have changed. I just feel ashamed that a man with the intelect of chimp runs our country. What does that say about the people who voted for him? The guy can't even write his own speeches from what I hear. When I hear him speak I feel like laughing at him rather than respecting his words. At least with Clinton I listened and respected him. He had character and was a strong leader. We had more respect from other nations as well. Now with Bush and his misfits, I feel that we look like fools to the rest of the world. That's what bother me. I would type more, but I have to work.

We can't set it aside. One thing I strongly believe in is respect. It doesn't matter what others do. We have to respect ourselves and our nation by not stooping to such disgusting levels. We also have to respect our alliances in the UN. We can't just say "**** you where doing it anyway" whenever we disagree. We're acting like righteous rebels. Assuming that everything we do is right and not giving a damn about the rest of the world or the consequences are actions may have. This nation needs to conduct it self with self respect or else we'll start losing the respect of other nations. We need to be a good example to the rest of the world(due to our power). We cannot do things using fear as our weapon or else we are no better than terrorists.

yer right. it does go back to the same arguement. you think that we should act peaceful because the rest of the world will see this as a mature response towards the things that are happening to us. you even sight the days of clinton as being like the golden age.

guess what. all of the people that hate us in the middle east now hated us when clinton was president too. and they hated us for the same reasons that they hate us now. are you honestly convinced that the reasons why there's so much death and hatred is due to us invading iraq and butt****ing prisoners????

they have always hated us and always will hate us and will always attack us because they hate the lifestyles ran by the majority of people in a capitalistic society. they hate that our downfalls include greed and lust. they find it offensive so they attack us because mohammed's very last words commanded them to.

so it makes me sick that people forget this **** and start finger-pointing everything towards us. now all of a sudden WE'RE the reasons that everything's gone to **** because we mistreated prisoners. we've ALWAYS mistreated prisoners. EVERY country has mistreated prisoners in every war since the dawn of time. why are people so shocked?

All seriousness, I understand why alot of people think Bush is dumb, he has that horrible southern accent and he is not good at reading scripted speeches. He is a very intelligent man, he may not be the best speaker, but i firmly believe him and his people are doing a prettyn good job overall, there are things I don't like about him, but he is a pretty good and strong president in my opinion. He is actually pretty good when he is just speaking unscripted, I can't wait to see him debate with Kerry, I know Kerry is gonna get raped.

And as far as us looking like fools to the rest of the world that is absolute nonsense, we are the most influental and powerful nation in the world and we will continue to be as long as we stay strong, but If we become a bunch of hippy **** our stature in the world will quickly decrease.

Other nations hate us becasue we are the best, strongest, and most powerful. The terrorist and dictator runned countries hate us because the thoughts and beliefs and freedom of our nation threatens thier power to control thier people. They don't want freedom, because if they have freedom they give up power to the people.

If Clinton wasn't such a ***** he would of had this war when we were attacked by terrorist when he was in office, instead he decided to fire a missle at a building in Afghanistan and just sweep it under the rug. Why because it wasn't in HIS OWN best interest to fight terrorist

I understand you can never hate your country. This isn't my birth country so I don't have the same feelings for it as you do. I've been proud to be citizen ever since I've been here, though. Once Bush took office, my feelings have changed. I just feel ashamed that a man with the intelect of chimp runs our country. What does that say about the people who voted for him? The guy can't even write his own speeches from what I hear. When I hear him speak I feel like laughing at him rather than respecting his words. At least with Clinton I listened and respected him. He had character and was a strong leader. We had more respect from other nations as well. Now with Bush and his misfits, I feel that we look like fools to the rest of the world. That's what bother me. I would type more, but I have to work.

the majority of what you said are just reasons why you're not happy with what our country is doing. a lot of that i don't agree with but won't address cause that's straying from the point.

the point is, is that you're saying that you're ashamed to be an American citizen- which i think is shameful regardless of you're reason. and now you're justifying it because you're originally from portugal???? dude, unless you're 100% pure blooded native American indian then you're orgin is not gonna trace back to this country.
it doesn't matter where you're originally ****ing from. who cares about the actual physical geographical pinpoint on where your body was when it came out of your mother. that doesn't change the fact that you claim to be ashamed of your American citizenship while paying American taxes, befriending American people, working an American job that allows you a very comfortable American lifestyle that you OBVIOUSLY enjoy better than anywhere else otherwise you wouldn't be here.

you pointed that bush is a hypocrite. so are you. how are you any better?

Welcome back, ***. I am glad the happy, picture posting shorty is gone.

he'll be bäk.


OK, so explain yourself a little better. If you weren't talking about Portugal, I apologize. Us portuguese are very patriotic. We don't take **** like the Canadians(no offense). Just explain to me again what you were trying to say in the previous post.

Basically what Purity understood. I was refering to the terrorists and the middle east. You're always *****ing about this country, thats why my reference was for you to leave and join the Middle East. This got blown outta proportion. Either way, you have a sexy voice and I will always be better than you at Socom. Ok, maybe not the Socom part, but I am still better, maybe not taller, but better.


when Clinton was in charge ahahahahahahahahhaahahahah - Clinton = crap president

No matter who is president I will always be proud to be an american

I wonder if you sometimes trip and fall on your own feet. Clown. Shut up.


amen

Don't pose you're religious beliefs on me. I think thats a bit rude, Tony.


I understand you can never hate your country. This isn't my birth country so I don't have the same feelings for it as you do.

Thats the problem with a nice percentage of this country. Half of you refer to as its "you're country", not "our country" because of wherever you were born. Its kinda funny because you need to realize that regardless of where you were born... you live here, you have grown up here, most of your life has been here (correct me if I am wrong). My dad was born in Mexico, he sure as hell does'nt say Mexico is his country... thats his heritage, where he originated, where he was born, not his country. Ask him what country he is from, he'd say America, ask him where he was born and he'd say Mexico. 2 totally different aspects of life, or therefore whatever you're refering to. You say "birth place" so thats all I assume. Like I said, this presents a problem because alot of you that think this way point fingers at the country you live in because you don't view it as "your country", so you're like everyone else that hates us.

I don't give a **** how stupid our president sounds when he gives speaches, ****.. you like Clinton so much and that guy gets made fun of more than Bush does for his voice and the way he spoke. Clinton was a good president, I'll agree with that, but at the same time.... cut Bush some slack. You're actling like he should be acting like a dictator or a king. Of course he does'nt come up with everything on his own, of course he does'nt make all of the decisions and he sure as hell does'nt make all of these decision based off of his personal understandings. If he did, he would be a dictator, but hes not..... he has a nice group of people that give him his information and advice, whether or not those people are wrong is not the issue here, its that our President is more of a spokesperson for alot of people rather than someone who gives speaches and makes decisions on his own recognisance. Realize that and you might not hate him as much.

and oh... what Purity said. I could'nt have said it any better. I tried, but I failed. :-(

I'm going to pull a Purity and pick apart every sentence.

yer right.(I know)

it does go back to the same arguement. you think that we should act peaceful because the rest of the world will see this as a mature response towards the things that are happening to us.( I don't think we should act peaceful at all. We were attacked. What we need to do is go after our true enemies instead of invading Iraq cause we thought they had WMD. Find Osama and Al Quaeda and buttrape them all you want. I wouldn't give a damn. They are the ones we need to punish.)

you even sight the days of clinton as being like the golden age.(They were.)

guess what. (What?)

all of the people that hate us in the middle east now hated us when clinton was president too.(I'm sure they did.)

and they hated us for the same reasons that they hate us now.(Actually now they have a few more reasons)

are you honestly convinced that the reasons why there's so much death and hatred is due to us invading iraq and butt****ing prisoners???? (No. That just fuels it even more. Again it woud make more sense if we just went after Osama instead.)

they have always hated us and always will hate us and will always attack us because they hate the lifestyles ran by the majority of people in a capitalistic society. (Do you honestly think the only reason they hate us is because of jealousy. Get over yourself.

they hate that our downfalls include greed and lust. they find it offensive so they attack us because mohammed's very last words commanded them to. (Riiiiight. *rolls eyes*)

so it makes me sick that people forget this **** and start finger-pointing everything towards us.(I not pointing everything. Just saying this war will makes things worse when we should be trying to make things better.)

now all of a sudden WE'RE the reasons that everything's gone to **** because we mistreated prisoners. (We're not the reason for all problems, but we did look like **** with that ****. As a citizen that's embarrasing ****.)

we've ALWAYS mistreated prisoners. EVERY country has mistreated prisoners in every war since the dawn of time. why are people so shocked? (I think it's because noone wanted us in Iraq to begin with. That ***gy torture just makes it worse.)



Damn, that felt good. No wonder you do it Purity.

All seriousness, I understand why alot of people think Bush is dumb, he has that horrible southern accent and he is not good at reading scripted speeches. He is a very intelligent man, he may not be the best speaker, but i firmly believe him and his people are doing a prettyn good job overall, there are things I don't like about him, but he is a pretty good and strong president in my opinion. He is actually pretty good when he is just speaking unscripted, I can't wait to see him debate with Kerry, I know Kerry is gonna get raped.

And as far as us looking like fools to the rest of the world that is absolute nonsense, we are the most influental and powerful nation in the world and we will continue to be as long as we stay strong, but If we become a bunch of hippy **** our stature in the world will quickly decrease.

Other nations hate us becasue we are the best, strongest, and most powerful. The terrorist and dictator runned countries hate us because the thoughts and beliefs and freedom of our nation threatens thier power to control thier people. They don't want freedom, because if they have freedom they give up power to the people.


Ask yourself. Do you want the world to respect and admire us or fear us?

Thats the problem with a nice percentage of this country. Half of you refer to as its "you're country", not "our country" because of wherever you were born. Its kinda funny because you need to realize that regardless of where you were born... you live here, you have grown up here, most of your life has been here (correct me if I am wrong). My dad was born in Mexico, he sure as hell does'nt say Mexico is his country... thats his heritage, where he originated, where he was born, not his country. Ask him what country he is from, he'd say America, ask him where he was born and he'd say Mexico. 2 totally different aspects of life, or therefore whatever you're refering to. You say "birth place" so thats all I assume. Like I said, this presents a problem because alot of you that think this way point fingers at the country you live in because you don't view it as "your country", so you're like everyone else that hates us.


that's also where racism stemmed from. people that take their orgin way too seriously.

I don't give a **** how stupid our president sounds when he gives speaches, ****.. you like Clinton so much and that guy gets made fun of more than Bush does for his voice and the way he spoke. Clinton was a good president, I'll agree with that, but at the same time.... cut Bush some slack. You're actling like he should be acting like a dictator or a king. Of course he does'nt come up with everything on his own, of course he does'nt make all of the decisions and he sure as hell does'nt make all of these decision based off of his personal understandings. If he did, he would be a dictator, but hes not..... he has a nice group of people that give him his information and advice, whether or not those people are wrong is not the issue here, its that our President is more of a spokesperson for alot of people rather than someone who gives speaches and makes decisions on his own recognisance. Realize that and you might not hate him as much.


He's a horrible spokes person. Nuff said.

I see both countries as my counties. I love the US for all that it has given to me, but my heart belongs to Portugal. I'm 100% Portuguese. Like I said before, us portuguese are extremely patriotic. If I could go back in time to when I was 5 I would change it so I could have stayed in Portugal. That's how much I love my birth country. I could write a neverending list of why I love it, but that's not needed now. It's to late for me to try to start a life in Portugal now. I will die in Portugal, though, if I can help it. God willing.

I love the US because of what it represents to the world. I'm saddened that lately that representation has weakened because of our president's actions.

Short story. I love both countries, but I love Portugal more because of blood and patriotism.

Damn, that felt good. No wonder you do it Purity.

Hahaha.


that's also where racism stemmed from. people that take their orgin way too seriously.

Exactly. GOD knows I don't, lol. If I did, I'd have no friends and I'm sure it would lead to violence on someone's behalf... hence Racism, War, and of course controversy which was created by the Nuno's of the world.


He's a horrible spokes person. Nuff said.
Fair enough. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Atleast he's speaking up. When was the last time you saw a world leader speak at all (outside of the US)? I personally did'nt vote for Bush, but it does'nt say anything less about Americans, as you tried to point out. He got in office because of his approach, which most Americans bought in to. Its the same **** as Kerry is doing. And what... in a year or 2 when something big happens and Kerry gives speaches that are unsatisfactory to you... are you gonna critisize Americans again for their decision in voting him for office? Are you gonna call him a chimp too?

Fair enough. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Atleast he's speaking up. When was the last time you saw a world leader speak at all (outside of the US)? I personally did'nt vote for Bush, but it does'nt say anything less about Americans, as you tried to point out. He got in office because of his approach, which most Americans bought in to. Its the same **** as Kerry is doing. And what... in a year or 2 when something big happens and Kerry gives speaches that are unsatisfactory to you... are you gonna critisize Americans again for their decision in voting him for office? Are you gonna call him a chimp too?


I hate him and his administration, because they wasted time and money attacking Iraq when we could have been spending that time and money looking for Osama and Al Quaeda. Our troops died in Iraq for no reason. That saddens me.

I fear that Purity may be writing a book right now. He's been on for a awhile, but hasn't posted. : - l

I love the US because of what it represents to the world. I'm saddened that lately that representation has weakened because of our president's actions.

There you go again. "Our president's actions". I bet hes the first one that jumped up on a war machine and headed into the Middle East blastin.


Short story. I love both countries, but I love Portugal more because of blood and patriotism.

You're confused. You love Portugal more? You left when you were 5? So you've been an American for around 20 years and you love Portugal more? Sure, love your ansestors, love the country, love where you are from, love the bloodline, but as my GOD preaches "PRIDE is for fools". You are way to proud of something you're not even apart of. Its in you, not on you. You're a ****in American. WTF.

And while I got you here talkin about Patriotism, you should read the definition sometime.....

Patriotism

\Pa"tri*ot*ism\, n.
The passion which inspires one to serve one's country.

Portugal is where you were born and its serves purpose on your backround. But The United States Of American is YOUR ****ing country.

when Clinton was in charge ahahahahahahahahhaahahahah - Clinton = crap president


How was Clinton a crappy president? He did somethings wrong, and a lot of things right. Relations between Canada and America when Clinton was in charge were great. Clinton even lead a war which the U.N did not authorize (although it had the support off all the major members save two), which is something that all Bush supporters are so proud of. The budget was balanced, and the economy was booming.

You might not like him, but he was far from a crappy president.

I will serve my country(Portugal) if it ever need me. I visit Portugal often, but your right. I'm now more american than Portuguese cause I lived here so long. In my heart though, I don't feel the same love for the US that I feel for Portugal. It's sad that I'm too accustomed to american life now. It would be extremely hard for me to go work in Portugal now. Though, if I can figure out a way, I will go back. I guess it comes down to lifestyle preference. I prefer the simple life as opposed to the chaos that surrounds me here. But enough about that. Let's move on.

I will serve my country(Portugal) if it ever need me. I visit Portugal often, but your right. I'm now more american than Portuguese cause I lived here so long. In my heart though, I don't feel the same love for the US that I feel for Portugal. It's sad that I'm too accustomed to american life now. It would be extremely hard for me to go work in Portugal now. Though, if I can figure out a way, I will go back. I guess it comes down to lifestyle preference. I prefer the simple life as opposed to the chaos that surrounds me here. But enough about that. Let's move on.
Before moving on...... can I get a hug?

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That was'nt fair of me to delete your post. I don't deserve the power that has been set upon me.


Oh well. Have a nice day. :)

Who's post did you delete?

Mine... That's it, I am going back to Sherdog. ****ing midget, DIE!!1
























Not really.

Hahahahahahaha

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I'm going to pull a Purity and pick apart every sentence.
then at least do it right man.

yer right.(I know)
die in a fire

it does go back to the same arguement. you think that we should act peaceful because the rest of the world will see this as a mature response towards the things that are happening to us.( I don't think we should act peaceful at all. We were attacked. What we need to do is go after our true enemies instead of invading Iraq cause we thought they had WMD. Find Osama and Al Quaeda and buttrape them all you want. I wouldn't give a damn. They are the ones we need to punish.)
oh man. so now it's OK to mistreat prisoners as long as they were caught during a war that's deemed justifyable but only in your eyes??
so now it has nothing to do with all the other **** you mentioned (acts of gayness and cruelty) but only with whether it was or was not ok to invade iraq.

you even sight the days of clinton as being like the golden age.(They were.)

guess what. (What?)

all of the people that hate us in the middle east now hated us when clinton was president too.(I'm sure they did.)

and they hated us for the same reasons that they hate us now.(Actually now they have a few more reasons)
**** it. give em 1000 more reasons. won't change the fact that the hate won't stop and the terrorist attacks won't stop.

are you honestly convinced that the reasons why there's so much death and hatred is due to us invading iraq and butt****ing prisoners???? (No. That just fuels it even more. Again it woud make more sense if we just went after Osama instead.)
a fire still burns regardless of how much fuel you add.

they have always hated us and always will hate us and will always attack us because they hate the lifestyles ran by the majority of people in a capitalistic society. (Do you honestly think the only reason they hate us is because of jealousy. Get over yourself.
did you see the word "jealousy" written anywhere? i didn't. well maybe that's because i wasn't conveying that they were jealous.

they hate that our downfalls include greed and lust. they find it offensive so they attack us because mohammed's very last words commanded them to. (Riiiiight. *rolls eyes*)
what part do you not believe about that? feel free to say so.

so it makes me sick that people forget this **** and start finger-pointing everything towards us.(I not pointing everything. Just saying this war will makes things worse when we should be trying to make things better.)
agreed to an extent, but my beef is that everybody's focusing most of their frustrations on us and our reactions, rather then the sheer brutal reality of the **** that our enemies are doing. sure butt****ing prisoners is bad but how can this **** bring more outrage then videotapes of peoples ****ing heads sliced off?!?

now all of a sudden WE'RE the reasons that everything's gone to **** because we mistreated prisoners. (We're not the reason for all problems, but we did look like **** with that ****. As a citizen that's embarrasing ****.)
you're the only one that i've seen that's having a heart attack over the gay stuff. it doesn't make us look like ****. the reason why every other critic is pissed about this is because it's DEGRADING the people so bad.....not because it's making our nation & citizens look like homos.

[QUOTE=Nuniathan] we've ALWAYS mistreated prisoners. EVERY country has mistreated prisoners in every war since the dawn of time. why are people so shocked? (I think it's because noone wanted us in Iraq to begin with. That ***gy torture just makes it worse.)
well that's fine but the fact remains that it's been done since day 1. so all of a sudden, it's wrong to mistreat POWs when it's being done in a war that you don't agree with?? so if we rammed a cattle prod up some nazi's ass back in 1945 then it's ok to be "***gy" because, afterall, we're saving the world from hitler.



Damn, that felt good. No wonder you do it Purity.
that's the way, uh huh, uh huh, i LIKE IT!!!

Ask yourself. Do you want the world to respect and admire us or fear us?

of course you want the first option. BUT you can't lead people without installing a certain degree of fear in them. if people admire you alone and do not have any fear for you then they will do everything in their power to take advantage of you. i have 1,000's of reasons that i can site to back that up.

I fear that Purity may be writing a book right now. He's been on for a awhile, but hasn't posted. : - l

last day of the month + being in the mortgage biz + an hour long massage session= delayed post.

Bubs gonna have me posting pictures again. Be prepared, home slice.

My turn.

oh man. so now it's OK to mistreat prisoners as long as they were caught during a war that's deemed justifyable but only in your eyes?? (We started the war. So it looks real bad. So not only did we liberate them without them asking us to, but now we're also playing gay games with their soldiers. On the other hand, Osama deserves to get buttraped with a hot poker.)

so now it has nothing to do with all the other **** you mentioned (acts of gayness and cruelty) but only with whether it was or was not ok to invade iraq. (It's both that it was gay and that it was wrong to invade Iraq.)

**** it. give em 1000 more reasons. won't change the fact that the hate won't stop and the terrorist attacks won't stop.
(If we want them to forget about us, we first have to get out of the middleeast completely. Let Israel handle their own problems. **** I heard Israel started it anyway.)

a fire still burns regardless of how much fuel you add. (For some reason this sentence sounds really dumb. The more fuel you add the stronger it will burn. We need to put water on that fire.)


did you see the word "jealousy" written anywhere? i didn't. well maybe that's because i wasn't conveying that they were jealous. (Hating our lifestyle is quite similar to jealousy.)


what part do you not believe about that? feel free to say so. (They attack us not because of the bull**** you mentioned, but because we keep meddling in the middle east. I'm 100% sure they wouldn't have attacked us if we had never involved ourselves in there affairs.)

agreed to an extent, but my beef is that everybody's focusing most of their frustrations on us and our reactions, rather then the sheer brutal reality of the **** that our enemies are doing. sure butt****ing prisoners is bad but how can this **** bring more outrage then videotapes of peoples ****ing heads sliced off?!?
(Desicration and humiliation seems alot worse than killing someone. Who would you prefer to face? John Wayne Gacy or a Bear. **** let the bear tear me apart. At least I'll die with dignity.)


well that's fine but the fact remains that it's been done since day 1. so all of a sudden, it's wrong to mistreat POWs when it's being done in a war that you don't agree with?? so if we rammed a cattle prod up some nazi's ass back in 1945 then it's ok to be "***gy" because, afterall, we're saving the world from hitler.
(I wouldn't feel bad for the Nazis. I'm sure some of those Iraqi prisoners they molested probably thought they were defending their country and that's why they fought. **** if the US bombed my village I would fight them too. )

of course you want the first option. BUT you can't lead people without installing a certain degree of fear in them. if people admire you alone and do not have any fear for you then they will do everything in their power to take advantage of you. i have 1,000's of reasons that i can site to back that up.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but when Clinton was in charge, we had a lot more respect. Without having to instill fear.

oh man. so now it's OK to mistreat prisoners as long as they were caught during a war that's deemed justifyable but only in your eyes?? (We started the war. So it looks real bad. So not only did we liberate them without them asking us to, but now we're also playing gay games with their soldiers. On the other hand, Osama deserves to get buttraped with a hot poker.)
everybody knows that the majority of the iraqi people are happier now that saddam's gone. and how the **** can they ASK us when they were under his reign anyway dummy?

so now it has nothing to do with all the other **** you mentioned (acts of gayness and cruelty) but only with whether it was or was not ok to invade iraq. (It's both that it was gay and that it was wrong to invade Iraq.)
so as long as you agreed on the iraq invasion and we keep the prisoners clothes on then it's ok to torture them in the most brutal and cruel manner known. i can slowly crush his head in a vice while dousing him in napalm and it's OK because his ******* is unviolated.

**** it. give em 1000 more reasons. won't change the fact that the hate won't stop and the terrorist attacks won't stop.
(If we want them to forget about us, we first have to get out of the middleeast completely. Let Israel handle their own problems. **** I heard Israel started it anyway.)
first of all, they'll never forget about us. 2nd, the WORST thing you can do is get out of the middle east completely because you verify to the rest of the world that you've been defeated. the rest of the world will treat you like sharks when they smell blood and they will frenzy all over you.
a fire still burns regardless of how much fuel you add. (For some reason this sentence sounds really dumb. The more fuel you add the stronger it will burn. We need to put water on that fire.)


did you see the word "jealousy" written anywhere? i didn't. well maybe that's because i wasn't conveying that they were jealous. (Hating our lifestyle is quite similar to jealousy.) no it's not. jealousy is hating somebody because they have what you WANT. why would they want what we have when they fight for a religion that condems just about everything that we do?


what part do you not believe about that? feel free to say so. (They attack us not because of the bull**** you mentioned, but because we keep meddling in the middle east. I'm 100% sure they wouldn't have attacked us if we had never involved ourselves in there affairs.)
they use incidents such as our involvement with iraq & israel & pows as bull**** reasons on why they attack. the root behind the attack is because the way we live our lifestyles vs. extremist muslim beliefs. why the **** do you think they call this a HOLY war??
that hate will never die unless we become like them. AND EVEN if we do that then we'll still be at war because they are constantly at war with THEMSELVES!!

agreed to an extent, but my beef is that everybody's focusing most of their frustrations on us and our reactions, rather then the sheer brutal reality of the **** that our enemies are doing. sure butt****ing prisoners is bad but how can this **** bring more outrage then videotapes of peoples ****ing heads sliced off?!?
(Desicration and humiliation seems alot worse than killing someone. Who would you prefer to face? John Wayne Gacy or a Bear. **** let the bear tear me apart. At least I'll die with dignity.)
umm.....didn't john wayne gacy murder people too?
so now you think that our cruel treatment is wrong because it's denying them their deserved DIGNITY?? are you ****ing insane?


well that's fine but the fact remains that it's been done since day 1. so all of a sudden, it's wrong to mistreat POWs when it's being done in a war that you don't agree with?? so if we rammed a cattle prod up some nazi's ass back in 1945 then it's ok to be "***gy" because, afterall, we're saving the world from hitler.
(I wouldn't feel bad for the Nazis. I'm sure some of those Iraqi prisoners they molested probably thought they were defending their country and that's why they fought. **** if the US bombed my village I would fight them too. )[/QUOTE]
and you would understand that if they catch you, it aint gonna be a walk in the park. you've been watching too many movies. you see, after the shooting and bloodshed, the director doesn't call "cut!." the soldiers don't get up, there are no makeup artists that wipe off the fake blood, there's no studio, and nobody is waiting outside for their autograph.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but when Clinton was in charge, we had a lot more respect. Without having to instill fear.

oh we had the fear all along. we just kept it out of the eyes of American people. like you said, bush is a ****TY public representative. i agree because he's letting everything leak out. but it's not all his fault. understand that technology plays a very big role in this too.

This thread gives me wood. That is all.

Me and you need to sit down and talk over a few beers. Trying to argue politics between phone calls at work is too much.

1. Bottom line. We should have never gone to Iraq.
2. Torture is wrong when your doing it to soldiers who were defending their country. Nazis are a different story. I have no sympathy for them.
3. You're right, it's too late to pull out. I just want you to understand that we should have never gotten involved in the middle east to begin with.
4. You avoided the fuel remark. hehe.
5. You made it sould like jealousy. I know they aren't fighting because of jealousy. They have other motives. We have given them plenty of reasons with our involvment in the middle east and with whom we side with.
6. They have a government too. Holy War is their propaganda. Our meddling is what got their attention.
7. I am insane in the membrane.
8. No ****. If my village got bombed, I would fight to the death. No fear. Just rage.