I say even though the usa has a lot of good fighters given the population i say puerto rico baby.trinidad cotto cintron camacho ruiz calderon seda dieppa.

No country beats US. Not Mexico not Purto Rico.

No country beats US. Not Mexico not Purto Rico.

Puerto Rico has produced 51 world champs and we are the size of Connecticut... :cool:

US has it locked down at the moment.

Cuba. They live boxing.

Puerto Rico has produced 51 world champs and we are the size of Connecticut... :cool:

Compared to how many from the US?

No country beats US. Not Mexico not Purto Rico.
the us has so much more people than puerto rico.mexico is good but they're bigger than puerto rico.puerto rico is like 1 state in the us.

Puerto Rico is US territory. So saying PR has the best fighters is like saying the US has the best fighters. ;) lol

cuba is amature boxings best

Puerto Rico is US territory. So saying PR has the best fighters is like saying the US has the best fighters. ;) lol

lol he got you there lol

China has 6 times as many people as the US and how many champs do they have?

the us has so much more people than puerto rico.mexico is good but they're bigger than puerto rico.puerto rico is like 1 state in the us.

**** the quantity, look at the quality. Name a Puerto Rican (bear in mind p4p) than can match the talent of Ali, RJJ, B-Hop, Pernell Whitaker (prime) to name a selected few.

**** the quantity, look at the quality. Name a Puerto Rican (bear in mind p4p) than can match the talent of Ali, RJJ, B-Hop, Pernell Whitaker (prime) to name a selected few.

Wilfred "El Radar" Benitez, John John Molina, Hector "Macho" Camacho, Wilfredo Vazquez,Felix Trinidad, Miguel Cotto, Daniel Santos, Ivan Calderon, etc.

Wilfred "El Radar" Benitez, John John Molina, Hector "Macho" Camacho, Wilfredo Vazquez,Felix Trinidad, Miguel Cotto, Daniel Santos, Ivan Calderon, etc.
enough said

**** the quantity, look at the quality. Name a Puerto Rican (bear in mind p4p) than can match the talent of Ali, RJJ, B-Hop, Pernell Whitaker (prime) to name a selected few.
liston lost on purpose,glen johnson beat rjj,b hop is a ***,pernell lost to tito.

Puerto Rico is US territory. So saying PR has the best fighters is like saying the US has the best fighters. ;) lol

Schooooooled!!!!!!!!!!
lmao way to shutem up

and to answer the question
its Mexico easy......
course no favoritism there

Wilfred "El Radar" Benitez, John John Molina, Hector "Macho" Camacho, Wilfredo Vazquez,Felix Trinidad, Miguel Cotto, Daniel Santos, Ivan Calderon, etc.

lmao how the fuk is he a great one dats gona match up with the likes of ali, rjj, leonard, and all the others named
u tryin to find greats or jus champs

Wilfred "El Radar" Benitez, John John Molina, Hector "Macho" Camacho, Wilfredo Vazquez,Felix Trinidad, Miguel Cotto, Daniel Santos, Ivan Calderon, etc.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

I don't even know where to begin.....

lmao how the fuk is he a great one dats gona match up with the likes of ali, rjj, leonard, and all the others named
u tryin to find greats or jus champs

To: borikua
Seriously lol Daniel ****ing Santos? He looked scared ****less against Maragrito and you have the nerev to call him as great as Ali and co. PFFFFF LOLOLOLOL Ima give you good karma for that

lmao how the fuk is he a great one dats gona match up with the likes of ali, rjj, leonard, and all the others named
u tryin to find greats or jus champs

Wilfred Benitez is one of the best in boxing history...actually he still the yungest boxer in history to become champ(at 17), you just *****ing like always...*****2k3.

liston lost on purpose,glen johnson beat rjj,b hop is a ***,pernell lost to tito.

johnson couldn't touch a prime RJJ if his life depended on it.
B-hop is a *** - nice argument. I bet Tito like getting raped by a *** then.
Pernell was 35 when he lost to Tito, the man beat JCC, twice the superstar Tito will ever be.

roy jones overrated fought bums leonard got a gift against hagler.but if u took a state in the usa and counted the champs they wouldnt even have half as many as pr.game over.

USA man USA

Wilfred Benitez is one of the best in boxing history...actually he still the yungest boxer in history to become champ(at 17), you just *****ing like always...*****2k3.

Benitez got dropped by Leonard the **** is your point? An american still had his number.

roy jones overrated fought bums leonard got a gift against hagler.but if u took a state in the usa and counted the champs they wouldnt even have half as many as pr.game over.

GIFT AGAINST HAGLER???? LOL That's it. I ain't wasting my time with you anymore.

Wilfred "El Radar" Benitez, John John Molina, Hector "Macho" Camacho, Wilfredo Vazquez,Felix Trinidad, Miguel Cotto, Daniel Santos, Ivan Calderon, etc.

***** please!

Amateur Boxing - It is Cuba, Pro Boxing - It is the USA.

I think it's been settled that pound for pound (or I should say, square mile per square mile) its Puerto Rico. (It's a common saying among PR boxers that we are the best boxers b/c we are the best dancers... ). But the country with the best and most champs is Mexico...and you can't be a Mexican fighter without a ton of heart and a chin made of granite. I think that the US has so many champs b/c with a population of 275 million, you're bound to have a bunch of great champs.

US- 275 Million
Mexico- 105 MIllion
PR- 7 Million (half on the island, half in the US)

Champs (WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO and interims). I am classifying PR and Mexican champs by ethnicity, even if they live in US:

PR has 6 champs (Santos, Cotto, Ruiz, Calderon, Rivera, Cintron)
Plus Trinidad is back, and Morel is in limbo.
US has 16 champs
Mexico has 12 champs.

So, PR has a champ for every 1.16 million persons.
Mexico has a champ for every 8.75 million persons.
Americans have a champ for every 17.19 million persons.

I think PR has the best claim IMHO.

I say even though the usa has a lot of good fighters given the population i say puerto rico baby.trinidad cotto cintron camacho ruiz calderon seda dieppa.

RUIZ!?!?!
how can u compare him to any of usa's greaatest fighters

USA - hopkins, dlh, taylor... just way to many to name

No challenge...U.S. wins by KO....Why? Because Felix Trinidad lost to Bernard Hopkins..

I think it's been settled that pound for pound (or I should say, square mile per square mile) its Puerto Rico. (It's a common saying among PR boxers that we are the best boxers b/c we are the best dancers... ). But the country with the best and most champs is Mexico...and you can't be a Mexican fighter without a ton of heart and a chin made of granite. I think that the US has so many champs b/c with a population of 275 million, you're bound to have a bunch of great champs.

US- 275 Million
Mexico- 105 MIllion
PR- 7 Million (half on the island, half in the US)

Champs (WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO and interims). I am classifying PR and Mexican champs by ethnicity, even if they live in US:

PR has 6 champs (Santos, Cotto, Ruiz, Calderon, Rivera, Cintron)
Plus Trinidad is back, and Morel is in limbo.
US has 16 champs
Mexico has 12 champs.

So, PR has a champ for every 1.16 million persons.
Mexico has a champ for every 8.75 million persons.
Americans have a champ for every 17.19 million persons.

I think PR has the best claim IMHO.

Its not that simple. There are TONS of factors that come into play. I'm guessing that boxing has a great significance in Puerto Rico because of the history. In the US, there are tons and I mean tons of promises and opportunities in other sports. Football mainly basketball, baseball, hockey, tennis. **** name it. Check out the density of interest.

Or maybe its because the high figure for PPV buys in the US is around 1 million which represents what, 1-2 million out of 275 million which implies that 0.005% of the population would care to pay to see the matchups let alone build a career out of it.

It depends on the population and the significance of the sport to the country.

Throwing in a bunch of numbers that aint gonna give u the full story.

Guys, US, PR, Mexico produces a lot of champions & great fighters but, I think your just looking at one side of the equation, its not only about the west, you guys are missing a lot of action not seeing some great Asian boxers from Japan, Korea, does anyone of you know how many Thai Champions are there right now???

No challenge...U.S. wins by KO....Why? Because Felix Trinidad lost to Bernard Hopkins..


oooooo.......burn....wat ya tito fans got to say now
tito aint ****
he got robbed against oscar
he didnt win one round against hopkins
he beat a smoking slugger

Guys I am Asian and A Filipino but I did not put the Philippines in my list, cuz nowaday we are not producing that much...

I just need you guys to look further than the west and give a second look eastward....

Guys, US, PR, Mexico produces a lot of champions & great fighters but, I think your just looking at one side of the equation, its not only about the west, you guys are missing a lot of action not seeing some great Asian boxers from Japan, Korea, does anyone of you know how many Thai Champions are there right now???


1. Yodsanan 3K Battery Nanthachai - WBA Superfeatherweight champ
2. Veeraphol Sahaphrom - WBC Bantamweight champ
3. Ratanachai Sor Vorapin - WBO Bantamweight champ
4. Pongsaklek Wonjongkham - WBC Flyweight champ
5. Eagle Akakura - WBC minimumweight champ

Five (5) champions.

#1-USA = 16 champs
#2-Mexico = 12 champs
#3-Puerto Rico = 6 champs
#4-Thailand = 5 champs

Guys I am Asian and A Filipino but I did not put the Philippines in my list, cuz nowaday we are not producing that much...

I just need you guys to look further than the west and give a second look eastward....


Future Philippine world champs:

Rey "Boom-Boom" Bautista
Z "the Dream" Gorres

Pacman is the only man standing right now so we got to wait
'til the others take centerstage.

And to-date only 2 Filipinos have been inducted into the IBHOF:
Pancho Villa & Flash Elorde. We need to be producing more MannyPac's before we can say the Philippines is one of the world's best boxing nations...

I just need you guys to look further than the west and give a second look eastward....
Five (5) champions.

#1-USA = 16 champs
#2-Mexico = 12 champs
#3-Puerto Rico = 6 champs
#4-Thailand = 5 champs

...2 Filipinos have been inducted into the IBHOF:
Pancho Villa & Flash Elorde.

...Pacman...

Rey "Boom Boom" Bautista
Z "The Dream" Gorres


...and Rodel Mayol I must add. More to come, hopefully. :)

Peace.

Wilfred Benitez is one of the best in boxing history...actually he still the yungest boxer in history to become champ(at 17), you just *****ing like always...*****2k3.

wtf?
i didnt diss benitez
course he one da greats
i was tlakin bout Santo u dumb ass piece of crap
lol
ummmmmmm
*****ikua

No challenge...U.S. wins by KO....Why? Because Felix Trinidad lost to Bernard Hopkins..


LMAO!!! US is the best and it's hard to swallow for some people but its the truth. That list that was compiled for the PR against US was hilarious. It's really just not even a fair fight. Although I think Cotto will be great someday...Tito is going to get destroyed by Hop again.

Tito is going to get destroyed by Hop again.

Would you bet on that? :rolleyes:

We gotta see Felix box more fighters before taking on BHop again.. But then again, Bhop is getting old quick... if the both squared off today, i would say Bhop has the slight edge..

Im shocked none of you have seen the amature lists saying cuba is the best,

Russia is best then Ukrain and then cuba,belarus, mexico, germany and america even longer down.

Pro division is build on amature, the american amature division is sad young americans, do basket , fotball, american football, baseball but not much boxing .

Why, because boxing is the hardest of them and these other sports also pay good.

People ask why there is so few young american upp and comers, well boxing is not what it was in the states.

The countries of the former cccp is the future of boxing amature as well as pro.

And no im not a comy bastard for telling the truth

USA all the way!

1. Yodsanan 3K Battery Nanthachai - WBA Superfeatherweight champ
2. Veeraphol Sahaphrom - WBC Bantamweight champ
3. Ratanachai Sor Vorapin - WBO Bantamweight champ
4. Pongsaklek Wonjongkham - WBC Flyweight champ
5. Eagle Akakura - WBC minimumweight champ

Five (5) champions.

#1-USA = 16 champs
#2-Mexico = 12 champs
#3-Puerto Rico = 6 champs
#4-Thailand = 5 champs

I agree this is a better list, but Mai Pen Rai your also Asian and I guess a Thai, are we the only ones seeing these...

Im shocked none of you have seen the amature lists saying cuba is the best,

Russia is best then Ukrain and then cuba,belarus, mexico, germany and america even longer down.

Pro division is build on amature, the american amature division is sad young americans, do basket , fotball, american football, baseball but not much boxing .

Why, because boxing is the hardest of them and these other sports also pay good.

People ask why there is so few young american upp and comers, well boxing is not what it was in the states.

The countries of the former cccp is the future of boxing amature as well as pro.

And no im not a comy bastard for telling the truth


leff at least your looking eastward and would have given you good karma but I'm max out for the day, but still you missed out on the Thais as among the best in amateur boxing, I think they have 3 or 4 medals in boxing on the Greece Olympic Games...

Hey, im not only talking about the olympics, im talking about the overale view,cuba and couple og asian countries did a lot better than they useally do in greek.
But theres a lot more amature bouts than the ol, and thats were my list is from the overall.

Definitely the USA.

More to come, hopefully. :)

Peace.[/QUOTE]

Yes sir. More to come from the east indeed :)

Think it is the USA. But happily it is an individual sport.

But to put some oil on the fire for the yanks (yanks meant in a friendly jest) on this board:

The best heavyweight at the moment is from a former soviet country, and one of the best (if not THE best) PVP fighters atm, fighting in the light welterwight is also a former soviet (aka Russian). :p

Yes and wlad, golota and dimitrenko to name a few

Hey, im not only talking about the olympics, im talking about the overale view,cuba and couple og asian countries did a lot better than they useally do in greek.
But theres a lot more amature bouts than the ol, and thats were my list is from the overall.

is that true, cuz you mentioned Ukrain after Russia, Ukrain also fights in the ASIAN GAMES but the THAIS are the ASIAN Champs in Boxing, so how you see the Thai fighters now...

It's ridiculous to think the USA isn't the best when it comes to boxing.
I don't give a crap of population vs. successful fighters ratio.

The fact is.....the USA produces the most successful fighters.....is where the biggest fights take place.

Eliminate the USA from boxing & it's a dead sport, period.
This is where it matters.

It's ridiculous to think the USA isn't the best when it comes to boxing.
I don't give a crap of population vs. successful fighters ratio.

The fact is.....the USA produces the most successful fighters.....is where the biggest fights take place.

Eliminate the USA from boxing & it's a dead sport, period.
This is where it matters.

There's no question about that the US is the best boxing country, followed by other boxing powers like Mexico and Puerto Rico...

but for most Asian Fans even if you take US away from the equation, boxing will never be dead it will always be thriving & surviving, a very good example is Thailand.....

But US is where the MONEY is, that's why I hope that a lot for Asian Fighters can get noticed in the US so that people there may give the East a second look for good to great fighters, like the Philippines very own Pac Man...

Former SU fighters will definitely take their place in pros. They have a great amateur school and remembering last olympics they havn't lost it. And this amateur schol is a good base to develop pro school. I suppose that in few years we may paraphrase famous Ali's expression: "Boxing is a lot of white men watching two black men beat each other up."
It wiil sound like: "Boxing is a lot of americans watching on PPV russian and thai beat each other up." :rolleyes:

**** the quantity, look at the quality. Name a Puerto Rican (bear in mind p4p) than can match the talent of Ali, RJJ, B-Hop, Pernell Whitaker (prime) to name a selected few.

the only one i recognize as being a great in that kist is ali.

JoMan

Plenty of good fighters have come from Asian countries. The obstacle has always been getting them exposure over here.

The best boxing country IS the United States. Make a list of the best fighters ever and just about ALL of them will be from the United States.

Boxing may have been invented in Europe, but it was perfected in the United States.

In terms of boxers produced compared to size, I think the top countries are Mexico and Puerto Rico.

I also think Cuba deserves a mention when you look at all the superb amateurs they have produced. Just a pity more didn't turn pro.

What do you mean boxers produced compared to size?

JoMan

Plenty of good fighters have come from Asian countries. The obstacle has always been getting them exposure over here.

LukahnLi, your right Asian Fighters need exposure in the US but its very difficult to do so...

good example was Manny, no promoters was willing to take PacMan before Ledwaba and only Murad took a gamble on him...

i just hope the somewhere down the road US will look eastward and recruit for additional talent...

the only thing that the u.s. is better at as far as boxing goes is protecting thier champions from the rest of the worlds finest. and we do this because we have the $$ to do so. the u.s. has perfected boxing? no the u.s. has invested in boxing to make it a corrupt sport. i hate to say it my fellow americans but if from this second on boxing stopped in the u.s. it would live on everywhere else and would probably benefit from it. yes we do churn out some great champs. and yes we have produced some of the greatest. everyone has an arguement about who they feel has the best boxing country but really have no clue about any other country because they have never lived there to see what thier fighters have to go through just to be recognized by the rest of the world. i'm not saying that american fighters don't shed blood sweat and tears but the bottom line here is money. and the u.s. is great at promoting itself as the world leader in boxing. why do you think the best from around the world move to the u.s.? it ain't to fight the best. its to make the money.

Boxing was perfected back in the early 1900s before it was as corrupt as it is now. The first BOXER was Jim Corbett an American. Later came Jack Johnson another American. The best fighter/boxer EVER was Sugar Ray Robinson another American.

Money or no, corruption or no, boxing became an art because of American fighters.

the only thing that the u.s. is better at as far as boxing goes is protecting thier champions from the rest of the worlds finest. and we do this because we have the $$ to do so. the u.s. has perfected boxing? no the u.s. has invested in boxing to make it a corrupt sport. i hate to say it my fellow americans but if from this second on boxing stopped in the u.s. it would live on everywhere else and would probably benefit from it. yes we do churn out some great champs. and yes we have produced some of the greatest. everyone has an arguement about who they feel has the best boxing country but really have no clue about any other country because they have never lived there to see what thier fighters have to go through just to be recognized by the rest of the world. i'm not saying that american fighters don't shed blood sweat and tears but the bottom line here is money. and the u.s. is great at promoting itself as the world leader in boxing. why do you think the best from around the world move to the u.s.? it ain't to fight the best. its to make the money.


Have you paid any attention to Germany ?
They produce a bunch of boring-ass, overly protected nobodies....who refuse to leave the comfy confines of home....because of money....& corrupt judges.

Exactly dude.

Sven Ottke was the epitome of the sweet science!!!

If you take a look at the history of boxing and think about it, it's plain to see that the USA has produced virtually all of the best fighters in the upper weight divisions and Mexico has produced many of the best fighters in the lower weights. I'd say Mexico is the place to be for a boxing fan; it's still a tremendously popular sport down there and only the best make it to the top. Then they come up here and fight for the big bucks.

Puerto Rico? Good fighters, but alas:
Hopkins squashed Trinidad.
Chavez dissected Camacho.
Sanchez mopped the ring with Gomez.
The best Puerto Rican fighter was probably Carlos Ortiz. I can't think of many other Puerto Rican legends.

is that true, cuz you mentioned Ukrain after Russia, Ukrain also fights in the ASIAN GAMES but the THAIS are the ASIAN Champs in Boxing, so how you see the Thai fighters now...

To be honest i know little about thai fighters.

the only thing that the u.s. is better at as far as boxing goes is protecting thier champions from the rest of the worlds finest. and we do this because we have the $$ to do so. the u.s. has perfected boxing? no the u.s. has invested in boxing to make it a corrupt sport. i hate to say it my fellow americans but if from this second on boxing stopped in the u.s. it would live on everywhere else and would probably benefit from it. yes we do churn out some great champs. and yes we have produced some of the greatest. everyone has an arguement about who they feel has the best boxing country but really have no clue about any other country because they have never lived there to see what thier fighters have to go through just to be recognized by the rest of the world. i'm not saying that american fighters don't shed blood sweat and tears but the bottom line here is money. and the u.s. is great at promoting itself as the world leader in boxing. why do you think the best from around the world move to the u.s.? it ain't to fight the best. its to make the money.

Much wisdom here, us control boxing so americans have a lot easier way making it in the pro ranks.

The dont control amature and there they arent much.

Would you bet on that? :rolleyes:

I'll bet my scrotum on that...
That's how positive I am that Tito will not only lose, but he'll be outta there quicker than he was last time.

Amuture boxing it must be Cuba, and pro boxing i must be usa

JoMan

Plenty of good fighters have come from Asian countries. The obstacle has always been getting them exposure over here.

Mostly in the lighter weight classes though!?

Would you bet on that? :rolleyes:


I'd be happy to take your bankroll off of your hands Borikua. I'll take Hop straight up and you can take Tito straight up.

the us has so much more people than puerto rico.mexico is good but they're bigger than puerto rico.puerto rico is like 1 state in the us.
thats like saying Texas is, George Foreman,Paulie Ayala,Rocky Juarez,Juan Diaz,Jesse Jame Leija,etc... I am sure there are many more

I say even though the usa has a lot of good fighters given the population i say puerto rico baby.trinidad cotto cintron camacho ruiz calderon seda dieppa.
hey man, I work with a few Puerto Ricans and they dont even claim John Ruiz, why do you?lol

the only one i recognize as being a great in that kist is ali.

Quick list of the top of my head, I should have included Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Robinson, tons.

And greatness comes with time. You don't think RJJ or Bhop are worth mentioning, watch when they'll retire how people would be talking about how great they were. There will always be questions during their campaign. When Ali was active, I doubt that he has the recognition he has now back then.

Quick list of the top of my head, I should have included Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Robinson, tons.

And greatness comes with time. You don't think RJJ or Bhop are worth mentioning, watch when they'll retire how people would be talking about how great they were. There will always be questions during their campaign. When Ali was active, I doubt that he has the recognition he has now back then.
damn mooks I like your way of thinking man, deep real deep, its kinda like with a singger dies, after he/she is dead their records and songs seem to live on forever.I know they still do but a few are 2pac,Biggie,Selena,Kirk C. (Nirvana),etc... They were recognize in their time but life after death has been great for their record sales

Because Felix Trinidad lost to Bernard Hopkins..


Hmmm, so if Trinidad wins a rematch this means PR is now the better boxing nation?

Compared to how many from the US?

Yeah Mate,

Get a brain, have you considered the size and population of the US in comparison to other boxing nations? If you think about it the US is probably one of the worst. In my opinion if your talking in terms of pure talent then Cuba - not really recognised as none of them are alowed to turn profesional bu they dominate the amateur scene, others Mexico - how many legends down the years.

Yeah Mate,

Get a brain, have you considered the size and population of the US in comparison to other boxing nations? If you think about it the US is probably one of the worst. In my opinion if your talking in terms of pure talent then Cuba - not really recognised as none of them are alowed to turn profesional bu they dominate the amateur scene, others Mexico - how many legends down the years.


I don't understand how the population of a nation factors in here.
Did you ever think the reason there's a higher ratio of Puerto Rican boxers vs. Americans is because people in the USA have so many more OPTIONS in life ?
The fact is....the majority of history's best fighters have come from the United States.

BIG PAPPY.....
You don't consider Pernell Whitaker an all-time great ?
Get the f*ck outta here, kid. That's ridculous.

Quick list of the top of my head, I should have included Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Robinson, tons.

And greatness comes with time. You don't think RJJ or Bhop are worth mentioning, watch when they'll retire how people would be talking about how great they were. There will always be questions during their campaign. When Ali was active, I doubt that he has the recognition he has now back then.

your new additions i totally agree with. they are true greats. but i still don't and prolly never will consider b-hop, who i really like, and rjj among the greatest. sure they are very talented and have good boxing skills but to me just not on the greatest level. of those two i would say b-hop before i would rjj.

your new additions i totally agree with. they are true greats. but i still don't and prolly never will consider b-hop, who i really like, and rjj among the greatest. sure they are very talented and have good boxing skills but to me just not on the greatest level. of those two i would say b-hop before i would rjj.


Compare Hopkins' resume to Roy's & tell me how Hop is greater ?
I love Hopkins, am a big fan, while never being one to root for Roy. But, I think Roy accomplished a lot more.....& don't forget who won their actual fight.

I don't understand how the population of a nation factors in here.
Did you ever think the reason there's a higher ratio of Puerto Rican boxers vs. Americans is because people in the USA have so many more OPTIONS in life ?
The fact is....the majority of history's best fighters have come from the United States.

BIG PAPPY.....
You don't consider Pernell Whitaker an all-time great ?
Get the f*ck outta here, kid. That's ridculous.


How hard can this be to understand, the more people there are then the more talent you have to choose from. Its not rocket science.

Again the reason for the majority of the best boxers coming from the United States is becuase there are far more boxers boxing from the United States than any other country. Unfortunately this is a fact. If you were to look at all boxers with pro licences in the world the largest number would bew from the US - it's not difficult, although I do understand the point your trying to make about options in the US compared to those particually in South America.

Compare Hopkins' resume to Roy's & tell me how Hop is greater ?
I love Hopkins, am a big fan, while never being one to root for Roy. But, I think Roy accomplished a lot more.....& don't forget who won their actual fight.

true roy beat hopkins early in thier careers. resume wise i don't see where jones faught very many that are, were, or shll be regarded as top tier opponents. hopkins, who at an older age i might add, has defeted some top tier guys. somewhere on one of the threads someone made mention that b-hop didn't even break a sweat against trinidad. well he did. but i never saw him winded or out of breath the whole fight. he to me is a true champion because he trains for the best and the worst. mentally b-hop has my respect. what did roy accomplish? true maybe it was his bad luck that his competition was never that great. jabs i respect your opinion and am not attacking you in any way, i just think that roy was like ali only ali actually had the resume. roy built himself up to be more than he actually was. and the media baught into it. hbo even did.

How hard can this be to understand, the more people there are then the more talent you have to choose from. Its not rocket science.

Again the reason for the majority of the best boxers coming from the United States is becuase there are far more boxers boxing from the United States than any other country. Unfortunately this is a fact. If you were to look at all boxers with pro licences in the world the largest number would bew from the US - it's not difficult, although I do understand the point your trying to make about options in the US compared to those particually in South America.

soccer and baseball are very big in south america

How hard can this be to understand, the more people there are then the more talent you have to choose from. Its not rocket science.

Again the reason for the majority of the best boxers coming from the United States is becuase there are far more boxers boxing from the United States than any other country. Unfortunately this is a fact. If you were to look at all boxers with pro licences in the world the largest number would bew from the US - it's not difficult, although I do understand the point your trying to make about options in the US compared to those particually in South America.

You're right, and if you look at the total number of active boxers as opposed to population it removes the "other options" argument. The UK would have the same argument as it loses a hell of alot of people to soccer and rugby.

pink....

Uhhh, I really didn't need you to explain that to me.
My point is....SO WHAT if there's more people & more boxers from the US than other places ? That means nothing .

In fact, I'll guarantee that the competition in America, amongst Americans, does more to ELIMINATE talent than it does CREATE talent.

I'm from Philadelphia, a city notorious for neighborhood rivalries & horrible gym wars.
Who knows how many fighters left their best days in gym ?

"what did roy accomplish? true maybe it was his bad luck that his competition was never that great."


Are you saying Hopkins has faced better foes/bigger challenges than Roy ?
Please, break that down for me.

pink....

Uhhh, I really didn't need you to explain that to me.
My point is....SO WHAT if there's more people & more boxers from the US than other places ? That means nothing .

In fact, I'll guarantee that the competition in America, amongst Americans, does more to ELIMINATE talent than it does CREATE talent.

I'm from Philadelphia, a city notorious for neighborhood rivalries & horrible gym wars.
Who knows how many fighters left their best days in gym ?

I accept what your saying about eliminating talent, however if you consider the amount of people with boxing licences from say the UK and the % of those with world titles compared with the percentage of those in the US then I would imagine that it is atleast equal if not superior