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"he was a hero to an entire culture who had no heros"

WTF!!!!???

that statement is beyond stupid.

china has a slew of heros. from huo yuanjia all the way back to yue fai. i just hate it when there are documentaries that include things that are either said or reported out of ignorance and lack of research.

sure, bruce lee did inspire a lot of people to go out and start to learn how to fight or know more about other cultures and expand their mind, but the shaw brothers flicks preceeded this by many years. i would rather watch a gordon lui classic than a bruce lee classic. just my opinion on this.

gordon is the master killer guy/36 chambers guy for those not in the know. and he actually is a legit old school trained fighter.

You got to be someone special when documentaries, magazines, forums, toys etc kept featuring you more than 3 decades after your death...

wll, in that case, the teenage mutant ninja turtles still have movies being made about them.

sure, he kicked ass in movies. i just pointed out that one statement that was rediculously over-exaggerrated.

its almost like saying jet li is a great fighter and hero. sure, he may be famous, and my help people. but he has never sparred or ever been in a fight by his own admittence. i have fought 10 times more than jet li has.

so, that statement would be half-true.

but to say that bruce was the chinese hero as if there never were any is rediculuos. and look at who is saying that. lol

yeah, i agree that the statement of chinese culture without a hero before bruce lee is wrong. LOL! why bring in ninjia turtles? they are not real.... you know that right? hehe, just kidding with you

what? so that ninja turtles documentary.......

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what? so that ninja turtles documentary.......

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lol!...........

its almost like saying jet li is a great fighter and hero. sure, he may be famous, and my help people. but he has never sparred or ever been in a fight by his own admittence. i have fought 10 times more than jet li has.

so, that statement would be half-true.

but to say that bruce was the chinese hero as if there never were any is rediculuos. and look at who is saying that. lol
I think this has a lot more to do with whether he could fight or not...I think this whole deal about him being able ot beat Fedor and all the top Mixed Martial Artist today is dumb as hell, but I think the point here is that he influenced people by using martial arts...

I think this has a lot more to do with whether he could fight or not...I think this whole deal about him being able ot beat Fedor and all the top Mixed Martial Artist today is dumb as hell, but I think the point here is that he influenced people by using martial arts...

well, its not just about him being able to beat mma'ists, but tradtional chinese boxers in the time he was alive even. there are tons of guys who could beat bruce's ass in my opinion.

like, how could he fare up against wang shujin? i doubt he could beat that legend. wang was a guy who would go to japan, talk smack about karate, and come away undefeated from fighting numerous black belts. one - he actually fought. two - he is over 220 lbs. three - he could take a 200 + lb black belts punch to the stomach without flinching. u can see videos of this on youtube.

also, i have met masters of today who could tear bruce a new one.

i do give lee credit for making a ton of guys start up cma and mma however. he did inspire a lot of americans. that can never be doubted.

so, bruce, although p4p seems very very formidable, he was far from the best. he was also an actor. that is where his passion lies aside from ma.

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well, its not just about him being able to beat mma'ists, but tradtional chinese boxers in the time he was alive even. there are tons of guys who could beat bruce's ass in my opinion.

like, how could he fare up against wang shujin? i doubt he could beat that legend. wang was a guy who would go to japan, talk smack about karate, and come away undefeated from fighting numerous black belts. one - he actually fought. two - he is over 220 lbs. three - he could take a 200 + lb black belts punch to the stomach without flinching. u can see videos of this on youtube.

also, i have met masters of today who could tear bruce a new one.

i do give lee credit for making a ton of guys start up cma and mma however. he did inspire a lot of americans. that can never be doubted.

so, bruce, although p4p seems very very formidable, he was far from the best. he was also an actor. that is where his passion lies aside from ma.
cool cool I get where you're coming from, see the way i look at Bruce is more of a teacher and philosopher of the art. I don't doubt the guy could fight, but i think that this whole "Bruce Lee can beat anyone in any art at anytime" talk is wacky. I think his goal was more to use martial arts to teach and really get rid of all the **** that's been washed up over the years in order to get back the useful stuff...which is great, I just think a lot of the fanboys that are all "Bruce was soooooo good he could outbox Manny PAcquiao, it wouldn't even be fair!!" are just completely missing the point.

Bruce Lee is a badass role model bro, get over it.

Bruce Lee might not be able to beat every fighter in the world..... but he is definitely the most popular in terms of his legacy, his influence..... his style... his battle cries.... whenever you talk about martial arts.... the name bruce lee comes out one way or another.

cool cool I get where you're coming from, see the way i look at Bruce is more of a teacher and philosopher of the art. I don't doubt the guy could fight, but i think that this whole "Bruce Lee can beat anyone in any art at anytime" talk is wacky. I think his goal was more to use martial arts to teach and really get rid of all the **** that's been washed up over the years in order to get back the useful stuff...which is great, I just think a lot of the fanboys that are all "Bruce was soooooo good he could outbox Manny PAcquiao, it wouldn't even be fair!!" are just completely missing the point.

ok. i see your view.

mine - he is not a revolutionary teacher as everything he preaches is older than he is. really! his ideas were not new. i could give so many example it would be too long to read about.

yes, i agree that he is a philosopher and he did indeed seem to use martialo arts as a platform, but for movie stardom. as i have heard about, he was in love with being a movie star. even his close friends have said this i remember.

however, he was pretty damn influential. although i will tell you this - he was not liked very much by other martial artists for carious reasons. some hated him cause he openly taught whitey(note - many respected teachers did teach foreigners too), hated because of his ego, hated because of his inability to be loyal to his teachers, etc

this is the kind of thing that is not present in many documentaries about him. they would only mention how "bad" others were even though this would pertain to an isolated incident.

****, james woo was about to kick his ass at a magazine interview because of how ****y he was(bruce stormed out apparently instead of fighting).

and yup! anyone saying that he could floss an easy win over pac man or anyone else is full of it. he seemed to be pretty damned gifted, but, he also had many flaws that are overlooked. including personality traits.

its nice to have a good discussion on this forum. cool!

i also meant to mention that bruce's "getting rid of what is not usefull" is very overrated, as....

its been done before. no need to reinvent the wheel.

Glad to see that this thread isn't full of ass kissers. I respect Bruce Lee, he's the guy who brought asian martial arts to western cinema after all.

But I've got to say that anyone who thinks he was the greatest fighter of all time is kidding themselves. I don't think he would be anymore than a middle of the road fighter in his weight division if he were to fight in MMA (that's if he spent several years tightening up his ground game). And I think that that is a generous estimation.

And there are people who seem to think that he would give Heavyweight champions a tough time!

He may have given modern MMA a bit of a bump, but he definitely was not the father as some people like to claim. MMA was introduced into the Greek Olympic Games in 648 BC (meaning that it existed for quite awhile prior to this) in the form of Pankration.

"he was a hero to an entire culture who had no heros"

WTF!!!!???

that statement is beyond stupid.

china has a slew of heros. from huo yuanjia all the way back to yue fai. i just hate it when there are documentaries that include things that are either said or reported out of ignorance and lack of research.

sure, bruce lee did inspire a lot of people to go out and start to learn how to fight or know more about other cultures and expand their mind, but the shaw brothers flicks preceeded this by many years. i would rather watch a gordon lui classic than a bruce lee classic. just my opinion on this.

gordon is the master killer guy/36 chambers guy for those not in the know. and he actually is a legit old school trained fighter.

There were indeed tons of Chinese heroes before Bruce Lee like Wong Fei Hung however not so much overseas that I know of at the time. I think that comment was supposed to mean for that time, the Chinese community in the West didn't really a recognizable figure and icon like Bruce Lee because after Lee's death many treated him like he was a real life superhero

Bruce Lee is a badass role model bro, get over it.

Yes its sad when people so desperately try underestimate him.
Truth is noone could beat him when he was alive. Noone thoght they could anyway. He said he could beat anyone in the world and there were no takers. No so called champion challenged him on his beliefs! Wonder why? Cos they agreed with him. Can you imagine if Jet Li was as ****y or Segal. Hang on a minute Segal did get a bit cheeky i heard, and the world champs went knocking on Segal door big time baby. Segal politely declined the challenges.

Bruce it seems can only be beaten posthumously. People tip toed like mice when he was alive. But suprise suprise when after he dies people grew some bollocks and started talking. Cowards! Find me anything in print when Lee was alive of anyone talking rubbish about bruce and then i will believe bruce lee wasnt all that. Everyone can beat bruce when Lee is dead if you believe some of these chumps.

Bruce Lee is a badass role model bro, get over it.

I agree !!!!

he'll beat you up........

If Bruce was alive today (at 70) he would still kick people's ass.

****, james woo was about to kick his ass at a magazine interview because of how ****y he was(bruce stormed out apparently instead of fighting).


What a *****. :rofl: