and p4p #1?? where did this come from?

and p4p #1?? where did this come from?

UFC's P4P #1.

UFC's P4P #1.

Mr Emelianenko actually has that spot :D

edit: sry did not see UFC in bold lol

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Anderson Silva is this guy who has been dominating quite possibly the most laughable and weakest division in UFC history..

Anderson Silva is this guy who has been dominating quite possibly the most laughable and weakest division in UFC history..

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The sickest Brazilian UFC fighter yet. The dude is like amazing. He is the complete package. He had to move up in weight because he wipped out the competion and the weight classes in the UFC are old school style, they are not like boxing which has a weight class every 6 or 8 pounds or so. They dont have junior weights in UFC

i bet u he still drives a lexus

http://www.ufcmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/Image/2008/september/anderson-silva-james-irvin-knockout-ufn14.jpg

It does not mean he is not any good. All the old school great fighters are done. He is the new face of the UFC and I like him. He is very good but I agree even he wishes there was more competion but that is not his fault. He is beating the guys with ease.

He does have good hand speed and reflexes as far as his striking goes and does look good when beating up on opponents of inferior skill and ability to him. I wonder if the proposed fight between Silva and RJJ was serious. Roy would completely embarrass him if it ever happens.

It does not mean he is not any good. All the old school great fighters are done. He is the new face of the UFC and I like him. He is very good but I agree even he wishes there was more competion but that is not his fault. He is beating the guys with ease.

he should transfer to boxing... huh??

Mma is gay

i bet u he still drives a lexus
No he has a bullet proof Mercedes Benz

he should transfer to boxing... huh??
Yes and beat the phuk out of his twin brother Antonio Tarver
:fight:

Mma is gay

No it aint. I just saw a guy get four of his teeth knocked out and the guy kept fighting. They had to get pliers to pull the teeth out of the mouth piece in between rounds

and p4p #1?? where did this come from?

he's p4p#1 in MMA but that title could easily go to Fedor or St.pierre. I would actually put Fedor and St.pierre above Silva. I don't know why he is ranked above those guys cuz he hasn't accomplished as much as they have.

Anderson Silva is this guy who has been dominating quite possibly the most laughable and weakest division in UFC history..

There are plenty of talented fighters at middleweight.

Anderson Silva
Yoshihiro Akiyama
Michael Bisping
Rich Franklin (Probably staying at LHW for a little while)
Dan Henderson
Wanderlei Silva
Patrick Cote
Denis Kang
Chris Leben
Thales Leites
Jason MacDonald
Demian Maia
Nate Marquardt
Dan Miller
Yushin Okami
Rousimar Palhares
Nate Quarry

That's just from memory, who knows what fighters I left out. HW is in much worse shape.

Anyways, where have you been? Anderson Silva has been demolishing people for quite awhile now. Though I wouldn't rank him as the number #1 P4P. He's definitely second or third.

I'm kind of disappointed that Dana White turned down RJJ's offer to fight under MMA rules. Don't see Roy winning that fight, even on the feet.

Silva would make him eat his knee caps.

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There are plenty of talented fighters at middleweight.

Anderson Silva
Yoshihiro Akiyama
Michael Bisping
Rich Franklin (Probably staying at LHW for a little while)
Dan Henderson
Wanderlei Silva
Patrick Cote
Denis Kang
Chris Leben
Thales Leites
Jason MacDonald
Demian Maia
Nate Marquardt
Dan Miller
Yushin Okami
Rousimar Palhares
Nate Quarry

That's just from memory, who knows what fighters I left out. HW is in much worse shape.

Anyways, where have you been? Anderson Silva has been demolishing people for quite awhile now. Though I wouldn't rank him as the number #1 P4P. He's definitely second or third.

I'm kind of disappointed that Dana White turned down RJJ's offer to fight under MMA rules. Don't see Roy winning that fight, even on the feet.

Silva would make him eat his knee caps.

the ones in bold are the only fighters that he has beaten. and that IS one of the weakest divisions. it doesn't have nearly as much talent as the welterweight and lhw divisions. even the weak hw division is arguably better right now.

Silva like Franklin before him are champions of the worst division in MMA. The fact that Wanderlei can drop to 185 and instantly be considered as a Top 5 MW even though he has yet to fight at 185 is proof how weak the division is and has been for a very long time now.

185 is packed with 1-dimensional fighters, gatekeepers and cans.

Anderson Silva (Champ)
Yoshihiro Akiyama (TBD, I'm wiping the slate clean for him after the Sakuraba crap)
Michael Bisping (potential title contender but the Silva of old would KO him)
Rich Franklin (Gatekeeper. He was king of the worst division and when somebody good came along, he got tooled twice.)
Dan Henderson (Potential to win the title 1 more time but age and evolution of MMA is against him)
Wanderlei Silva (If he wins his first fight he is going to be involved in talks for a title shot instantly)
Patrick Cote (decent but a pretender. not a contender)
Denis Kang (Pretender)
Chris Leben (Below gatekeeper, used as matchup to showcase another fighter's talents)
Thales Leites (BJJ isn't MMA. It's 1 aspect of MMA. Learn some other martial arts)
Jason MacDonald (Cut by the UFC)
Demian Maia (arguable best BJJ in all of MMA at the moment, needs to fight against some top comp (which there isn't any) before we can see where he is at)
Nate Marquardt (Gatekeeper)
Dan Miller (Pretender)
Yushin Okami (I think an Okami/Silva fight ends up looking like the Leites fight.)
Rousimar Palhares (Interesting but too much BJJ only type guy. Henderson controlled the **** out of him and won a decision.)
Nate Quarry (See Marquardt)

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Fedor hasn't exactly fought the stiffest competition recently either. I kinda think Silva deserves to hold the P4P numero uno spot for now. For me it's pretty much a toss up between GSP, Fedor and Silva though.

It would be nice if he moved up to LHW though. I would like to see him fight Rashad or Quinton.:boxing:

Fedor hasn't exactly fought the stiffest competition recently either. I kinda think Silva deserves to hold the P4P numero uno spot for now. For me it's pretty much a toss up between GSP, Fedor and Silva though.

It would be nice if he moved up to LHW though. I would like to see him fight Rashad or Quinton.:boxing:

from another thread on another site...

Due to the recent performances from Anderson Silva opening the eyes of many to his inadequacy as a fighter and champion in regards to the true #1 P4P status, the case for the Last Emperor being the king of MMA bears repeating.

First: Fedor is undefeated over the 9 years of his career and the last 6 years holding a the HW championship with the highest legitimacy (Pride then WAMMA). The loss against TK can be dismissed by any rational person (the same can be given to any other fighter in his situation) and it is about time he gets the recognition he deserves as undefeated.

Second: Fedor has made a career out of defeating champions. He has defeated Big Nog twice (Pride HW champion, RINGS King of Kings 2000 champion, UFC Interim HW Champion), Mark Coleman twice (UFC HW champion and Pride 2000 GP champion), Cro Cop (Pride 2006 OW Grand Prix Champion), Gary Goodridge (K1 Hawaii champion), Kevin Randleman (UFC HW Champion), Semmy Schilt (three time K-1 World GP Champion, 9th King of Pancrase, K1 Superheavyweight Champion, et cetera...), Mark Hunt (2001 K1 World Champion), Matt Lindland (2000 Olympic Silver Medalist in Greco-Roman), Andrei Arlovsi (UFC HW Champion), Tim Sylvia (two-time UFC HW champion), and Ricardo Arona (ADCC Champion).

Third: His own list of titles are amongst the most numerous and esteemed in MMA. He has held the RINGS World Class Tournament Championship, the RINGS King of King Tournament Championship, the PRIDE World Heavyweight Championship (thrice defended), The 2004 Pride HW Grand Prix Championship, and the WAMMA World Championship (defended once). All of these titles are widely considered to represent the apogee of accomplishments in the sport of MMA. Furthermore, he holds a host of non-MMA championships in Combat Sambo and Judo.

Fourth: Of 30 fights, Fedor has finished 23 of them. The majority of them have come in the first world - including a 36 second submission victory over Tim Sylvia.

Fifth: Fedor has arguably not lost a round since his fight with Ricardo Arona.

Sixth: As a popular article demonstrates, Fedor is widely held by other fighters to be the best there is. Recently, Georges St. Pierre also claimed Fedor to be number 1.

Seventh: Fedor fights in the prestige class of MMA. Though the HW division right has suffered for the last year or two with relatively few big stars, the HW division undoubtably has widely been considered at least on par, if not better, than the LHW division has been. Moreover, because of fighting in Japan, Fedor has had to fight men who dwarf him in size.

ADDED:

Eighth: Fedor has no holes in his game. He will fight you standing up, in the clinch, or on the ground. He has out grappled grapplers, out struck strikers, and out wrestled wrestlers. He sat in Nog's guard and pounded him. He stood with Cro Cop. He knocked out Arlovski. He swept Randleman.

Ninth: There are no boring Fedor fights. The only complaint? They're over so quick and then you have to wait months for the next one!

ADDED:

Tenth: From Fight Metric (.: Fightmetric.com :: Every Bit of Every Bout :.)

Strikes absorbed per minute of fighting for UFC Champions:


Anderson Silva: 0.71 SApM
Georges St. Pierre: 1.01 SApM
BJ Penn: 1.23 SApM
Rashad Evans: 1.39 SApM
Frank Mir: 2.7 SApM

Of course, invincible machida is way up there....
Lyoto Machida: 0.64 SApM

But let's now look at Fedor, who has more fights than all of these people....

Fedor Emelianenko: 0.59 SApM

Eleventh: Fedor Emelianenko does not cut weight for any advantage. Despite the fact that he could probably easily make 205 and dominate, he fights in the monster-filled playground of HW. This is made worse by the virtually openweight status of HW in Japan, where Fedor has fought most of his career.

ADDED:

Twelth: Fedor has never been knocked down by any strike. The closest he came was being wobbled by the Fujita punch, but he neither lost consciousness nor fell. He also finished that fight two minutes later by submission.

Can any legitimate case be made AGAINST Fedor with the above taken into consideration? I say: No. Anderson Silva has faced fewer champions, has lost (often embarrassingly), and fights in a shallower weight class (middle weight). Likewise, GSP has faced fewer champions and has lost.

A relevant post made elsewhere in the thread in response to 29-28:

I would disagree with the method of contemporary focus. I do not affirm that contemporary wins should be weighted heavier, unless that fighter is shownig a decline.

That being said, let us consider Fedor's last five victories.

Mark Hunt (10th at HW at the time, 2001 K1 World Champion): Round 1, 8:36 by submission (kimura).

Matt Lindland (top 10 MW): Round 1, 2:58 (armbar).

Hong Man Choi (top K1 contender): Round 1, 1:54 (armbar). In this fight, he gave up a foot in height and over one hundred pounds.

Tim Sylvia (2x UFC HW champion, top 5 HW at the time): Round 1, 0:36 (mixed RNC).

Andrei Arlovski (former UFC champion, 3rd best HW at the time): Round 1, 3:14 by (t)ko.

Of the 5, 3 were top 10 HWs, and 3 were champions. Lindland was an Olympic medalist and though undersized, he was ranked very highly in his divison. Hong Man Choi had a tremendous size advantage.

He defeated them all.

Notably, 4 of the 5 have big victories on their resume in MMA, and 1 in K1 (HMC has beaten Schilt).

The other three fighters that are paraded around as contenders are Anderson Silva, Georges St. Pierre, and Miguel Torres.

GSP has lost within his last five fights - and was finished. However, he did avenge said loss and defeated Matt Hughes in the rubber match. He also pzwnedededed both Fitch and BJ Penn, the former a quality opponent at WW and ranked in the top 10, and BJ Penn a former WW champion (though he never defended) and the current LW champion, although his resume of wins (outside of Hughes and maybe Gomi) are not that impressive.

Anderson Silva's last five fights include beating Dan Henderson (his greatest win). Rich Franklin (who has no quality wins). James Irvin (no quality wins). And Patrick Cote and Thales Leites in matches which can be likened to Dan Severn v. Ken Shamrock II.

Miguel Torres has actually no notable wins in his career. However, his fight with Maeda was on the short list for fight of the year. Likewise, his fight with Mizugaki was quite awesome. He's talented, but his career is padded with fights against nobodies in the Indiana region and really no notable wins.

Of the three, GSP has defeated the best opponents, but has lost. Anderson Silva has not lost, but has only faced one really truly great fighter (Dan Henderson). And Miguel Torres...he puts on good fights, but hasn't erally fought anyone of mention in his career.

In other words: None of them can claim to have any sort of recent legacy more impressive than Fedor.

Moreover, if you factor in their career, it is evident and clear that they are not worthy of consideration in the same light as Fedor. Anderson Silva has utterly embarrassing losses by B rate fighters, GSP has been beaten twice and finished in both, and Miguel Torers has done nothing and has been beaten by a sub-par fighter in his career loss.

ADDED:

Oh, and Fedor's last five victories have taken less than Anderson Silva's last victory against the overmatched Thales Leites and Patrick Cote. Also Torres' fight against Mizugaki and GSP's fights against both Penn and Fitch.

let us consider Fedor's last five victories.

Mark Hunt (10th at HW at the time, 2001 K1 World Champion): Round 1, 8:36 by submission (kimura).

Matt Lindland (top 10 MW): Round 1, 2:58 (armbar).

Hong Man Choi (top K1 contender): Round 1, 1:54 (armbar). In this fight, he gave up a foot in height and over one hundred pounds.

Tim Sylvia (2x UFC HW champion, top 5 HW at the time): Round 1, 0:36 (mixed RNC).

Andrei Arlovski (former UFC champion, 3rd best HW at the time): Round 1, 3:14 by (t)ko.

Of the 5, 3 were top 10 HWs, and 3 were champions. Lindland was an Olympic medalist and though undersized, he was ranked very highly in his divison. Hong Man Choi had a tremendous size advantage.

He defeated them all.

Notably, 4 of the 5 have big victories on their resume in MMA, and 1 in K1 (HMC has beaten Schilt).

The other three fighters that are paraded around as contenders are Anderson Silva, Georges St. Pierre, and Miguel Torres.

GSP has lost within his last five fights - and was finished. However, he did avenge said loss and defeated Matt Hughes in the rubber match. He also pzwnedededed both Fitch and BJ Penn, the former a quality opponent at WW and ranked in the top 10, and BJ Penn a former WW champion (though he never defended) and the current LW champion, although his resume of wins (outside of Hughes and maybe Gomi) are not that impressive.

Anderson Silva's last five fights include beating Dan Henderson (his greatest win). Rich Franklin (who has no quality wins). James Irvin (no quality wins). And Patrick Cote and Thales Leites in matches which can be likened to Dan Severn v. Ken Shamrock II.

Fedor is a small fish in a 50lb heavier pond.

I would like to direct everyone to one of the most overlooked reasons fedor is the best:

.: Fightmetric.com :: Every Bit of Every Bout :.


Strikes absorbed per minute of fighting for UFC Champions:


Anderson Silva: 0.71 SApM
Georges St. Pierre: 1.01 SApM
BJ Penn: 1.23 SApM
Rashad Evans: 1.39 SApM
Frank Mir: 2.7 SApM


Of course, invincible machida is way up there....
Lyoto Machida: 0.64 SApM



But let's now look at Fedor, who has more fights than all of these people....


Fedor Emelianenko: 0.59 SApM

Fedor, while being absolutely aggressive, takes less hits than anyone else. He is more offensive than most, and more defensive than all.

how fast the top 5 P4P fighters defeated their last 5 opponents...

Fedor
VS Arlovski - Round 1 - 3:14
VS Sylvia - Round 1 - 0:36
VS Choi - Round 1 - 1:54
VS Linland - Round 1 - 2:58
VS Hunt - Round 1 - 8:16
Total time - 16:58

George St. Pierre
VS Penn - Round 4 - 5:00
VS Fitch - 5 RD Decision
VS Serra - Round 2 - 4:45
VS Hughes - Round 2 - 4:54
VS Kosheck - 3 RD Decision
Total Time - 1 : 18 : 39

Anderson Silva
VS Leites - 5 Round Decision
VS Cote - 3 Round - 0:39
VS Irwin - 1 Round - 1:01
VS Henderson - 2 Round - 4:50
VS Franklin - 2 Round - 1:07
Total Time - 52 : 37

Miguel Torres
VS Mizugaki - 5 Round Decision
VS Tapia - 2 Round - 3:04
VS Maeda - 3 Round - 5:00
VS Beebe - 1 Round - 3:59
VS Bedard - 1 Round - 2:30
Total Time - 59 : 49

The UFC #1 spot will belong to Lyoto Machida this time next year.

the ones in bold are the only fighters that he has beaten. and that IS one of the weakest divisions. it doesn't have nearly as much talent as the welterweight and lhw divisions. even the weak hw division is arguably better right now.

I named 17 legitimate Middleweight fighters. Just because Anderson Silva is dominating the division, doesn't mean that the division is weak.

Anderson Silva is doing well because he's a great fighter, not because his opponents are bad.

I dare you to name 17 decent heavyweight UFC fighters. I'll be surprised if you can name more than 10 or 12.

Make a list of more than 17 decent fighters in the LHW division. You might be able to do it, but some of the fighters you name are going to have to be jokes to achieve that number.

The UFC #1 spot will belong to Lyoto Machida this time next year.

I hate Machida, he is so boring.