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El Jesus
05-06-2009, 05:46 PM
I just have a question, what would pacman have to do to draw comparison to henry armstrong in todays era?

The Noose
05-06-2009, 05:56 PM
People already have drawn a comparison.

Its impossibble to do wat Armstrong did now with so many titles. But Pac has come the closest i think, winning the super feather, lightweight and welter weight titles in a small amount of time.

LondonRingRules
05-06-2009, 07:43 PM
I just have a question, what would pacman have to do to draw comparison to henry armstrong in todays era?

** Barney Ross held the lightweight, jrwelt, and welt titles at the same time before Armstrong completed his trifecta.

Got little credit. Henry was just starting a tear that was more impressive than 3 division titles that seldom gets mentioned. Go figure.

JAB5239
05-06-2009, 08:10 PM
** Barney Ross held the lightweight, jrwelt, and welt titles at the same time before Armstrong completed his trifecta.

Got little credit. Henry was just starting a tear that was more impressive than 3 division titles that seldom gets mentioned. Go figure.

Ross hit the trifecta before Armstrong, but acually gave up his lightweight title before facing Jimmy McClarnin for the welterweight championship.

them_apples
05-06-2009, 08:12 PM
Well if he get's a 7th title on top of his 4 lineal achievement..people sure as hell better recognize him in the history books. He's already done more than Roberto Duran resume - wise.

LondonRingRules
05-06-2009, 08:44 PM
Ross hit the trifecta before Armstrong, but acually gave up his lightweight title before facing Jimmy McClarnin for the welterweight championship.

** According to boxrec, he relenquished his jr welt and lightweight title just prior to the rubber with McLarnin.

He held both when he beat McClarnin for the welt title the first time. McLarnin won the rematch which left Ross with the two titles until the rubber.

Yogi
05-06-2009, 08:48 PM
Ross hit the trifecta before Armstrong, but acually gave up his lightweight title before facing Jimmy McClarnin for the welterweight championship.

Ross didn't give up the lightweight and junior welterweight titles until Apr 15th of 1935, Jab, as reported in all the big papers (NY Times, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, etc.) the following day on the 16th. By that time he had already won and lost to McLarnin in two fights for the welterweight championship.

cotto16
05-06-2009, 10:00 PM
Ross hit the trifecta before Armstrong, but acually gave up his lightweight title before facing Jimmy McClarnin for the welterweight championship.

ross didnt give up his lighweight title to fight jimmy

baracuda
05-06-2009, 10:02 PM
I just have a question, what would pacman have to do to draw comparison to henry armstrong in todays era?

just be himself!

JAB5239
05-07-2009, 04:28 AM
** According to boxrec, he relenquished his jr welt and lightweight title just prior to the rubber with McLarnin.

He held both when he beat McClarnin for the welt title the first time. McLarnin won the rematch which left Ross with the two titles until the rubber.

Well, when Im wrong, Im wrong.

Went back and looked it up in his biography and it pretty much says the same as you and Yogi. Interestingly, the IBHOF has him vacating his lightweight title after the second Canzoneri fight.

I won't split hairs, as better boxing minds than my own have prevailed here. :fing02:

JAB5239
05-07-2009, 04:30 AM
** According to boxrec, he relenquished his jr welt and lightweight title just prior to the rubber with McLarnin.

He held both when he beat McClarnin for the welt title the first time. McLarnin won the rematch which left Ross with the two titles until the rubber.

Ross didn't give up the lightweight and junior welterweight titles until Apr 15th of 1935, Jab, as reported in all the big papers (NY Times, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, etc.) the following day on the 16th. By that time he had already won and lost to McLarnin in two fights for the welterweight championship.

Anybody know why Armstrong is always heralded as the only fighter to hold titles in 3 different divisions at the same time?

TheGreatA
05-07-2009, 04:39 AM
Anybody know why Armstrong is always heralded as the only fighter to hold titles in 3 different divisions at the same time?

The light welterweight title meant very little at the time. Armstrong also had wins over super featherweight and light welterweight title holders but he never won either of the titles officially.

El Jesus
05-07-2009, 06:06 PM
The light welterweight title meant very little at the time. Armstrong also had wins over super featherweight and light welterweight title holders but he never won either of the titles officially.

Why is that?

portuge puncher
05-07-2009, 06:13 PM
Well if he get's a 7th title on top of his 4 lineal achievement..people sure as hell better recognize him in the history books. He's already done more than Roberto Duran resume - wise.

but roberto duran has a better resume, he beat HOF's, is the greatest lightwieght of alltime, and would probbably kill pac if they had fought

TheGreatA
05-07-2009, 06:20 PM
Why is that?

The super featherweight and light welterweight titles did not really matter much at the time. Barney Ross vacated his light welterweight title and it remained that way until Tippy Larkin won the title 10 years later.

Benny Bass and Frankie Klick were the last recognized super featherweight world champions, both were beaten by Armstrong.