Which training is the most difficult and will get you in the best shape? My gym offer both training and it seem like the dudes in mma are in better shape. More cut and fit. So im thinking about adding mma training into my boxing routine although I dont want to mma fight. Do anybody else do this? What are your opinions on this? I figure you cant go wrong with training the total body.

MMA deals with more upper body strength then boxing, but they both get you in great shape

MMA involves alot more weight training. But they both require incredable conditioning.

Both require pretty intense conditioning but the main difference i would see is that the actually training for MMA involves a lot of kicking (stand up part) and kneeing which you would never get in boxing. While Boxing obv. involves alot of leg conditioning for footwork and various other things the use of the legs in the actual fighting makes a big difference. MMA also involves ground game, typically Jiu Jitsu or wrestling which is a very intense Anaerobic exercise and conditions the muscles in a very different way than any cardio aerobic exercise would.

thats what i was thinking. training to be the ulitmate fighter involves intense workouts. Its going to take hardwork and decation but imma get it down. Dont really know if imma box yet just want to get in shape first and see what I can do. Right now im 5'9 205 pounds. I want to get that beer gut off and have that lean cut six pack look.

boxing involves more movement on your toes than mma, mma focuses more on strength obviously, boxers have better eyes and reflexes


both will get you pretty fit, its just personal preference

Both will get you in great shape just depends on how hard you train :)

if u wanna roll around on the floor with sweaty guys during training MMA is for you!

for real though, I respect the sport and i was gonna try it when i was just starting out and i saw the way they train and i aint trying to catch a ringworm...

if u wanna roll around on the floor with sweaty guys during training MMA is for you!

for real though, I respect the sport and i was gonna try it when i was just starting out and i saw the way they train and i aint trying to catch a ringworm...

seriously. every wrestler i know has gotten ringworm or some type of staph infection at least once. so gross.

wrestling/mma are awesome sports, but i'm so not down with getting ringdown.

seriously. every wrestler i know has gotten ringworm or some type of staph infection at least once. so gross.

wrestling/mma are awesome sports, but i'm so not down with getting ringdown.

:wtf1: are you serious? I didnt know that..sound nasty now.

Obviously in MMA with a greater range of skills a greater range of body parts are used. Muscles such as the biceps, pectorals and traps serve a greater purpose in MMA, which is probably why you see a lot of those dudes with better overall muscle development.

Obviously in MMA with a greater range of skills a greater range of body parts are used. Muscles such as the biceps, pectorals and traps serve a greater purpose in MMA, which is probably why you see a lot of those dudes with better overall muscle development.

Thats true. I would just combine thai boxing with boxing skills
And some brazilian jiu jiutsu.
Focus alot more on boxing skills, then add low kicks.

The best and most consistent k-1 fighters posses great boxing skills.
Also the most effective mma fighters like in my eyes p4p best urijah faber, uses alot of boxing skill.

So make boxing your corner stone, with brazilian jiu jiutsu and get in shape.

can someone explain to me about wrestlers getting ringworm lol :S

seriously. every wrestler i know has gotten ringworm or some type of staph infection at least once. so gross.

wrestling/mma are awesome sports, but i'm so not down with getting ringdown.
sounds like a lack of sanitation wherever you're from, a proper gym will clean the mats all the time and all wrestlers should shower directly after a workout

Yeah it has to do with people not being clean, bacteria growing and it spreading through "contact". It can happen in the boxing gym too if gym owners don't clean the equipment. As an in boxer I rub up against the heavy bags a lot.

MMA bums tend to be fat and slow. I have seen jelly bellies in UFC but not in boxing. Boxing is more intense which is why it is more entertaining and why it is numero uno. 9/10 a well schooled boxer would KO an MMA bum.

Which training is the most difficult and will get you in the best shape? My gym offer both training and it seem like the dudes in mma are in better shape. More cut and fit. So im thinking about adding mma training into my boxing routine although I dont want to mma fight. Do anybody else do this? What are your opinions on this? I figure you cant go wrong with training the total body.

boxing is more about speed and endurance, if you want muscle you will need weights. MMA has wrestling and requires a higher demand of strength, this is party why you won't find guys in MMA that are as fast as boxers, and generally a good MMA fighters is stronger overall than a good boxer (it can vary though).

MMA bums tend to be fat and slow. I have seen jelly bellies in UFC but not in boxing. Boxing is more intense which is why it is more entertaining and why it is numero uno. 9/10 a well schooled boxer would KO an MMA bum.

indeed.

MMa fighters gas and have no defense, they could at least tuck their chins. They are also slow and suck. It is a Redneck sport and they aren't real athletes. Thier champ is from the WWE.

indeed.

MMa fighters gas and have no defense, they could at least tuck their chins. They are also slow and suck. It is a Redneck sport and they aren't real athletes. Thier champ is from the WWE.

I find it funny when they hit each other with chairs in UFC! And they call themselves fighters. They are not even men!

indeed.

MMa fighters gas and have no defense, they could at least tuck their chins. They are also slow and suck. It is a Redneck sport and they aren't real athletes. Thier champ is from the WWE.

Soooo hateful! Granted I agree with the chin tucking, thats just sloppy, i see so many fighters approaching with their chins hanging out with a target on them. REdneck sport really?! really?! how is it that its so big in Japan then? I don't know when the last time you went to japan or brazil was but i dont' remember seeing many rednecks there. Lesnar may be from the WWE but he's isn't the only champ, just the heavyweight. Gsp has black belts in multiple martial arts and BJ penn trained with freddie roach kid!

Soooo hateful! Granted I agree with the chin tucking, thats just sloppy, i see so many fighters approaching with their chins hanging out with a target on them. REdneck sport really?! really?! how is it that its so big in Japan then? I don't know when the last time you went to japan or brazil was but i dont' remember seeing many rednecks there. Lesnar may be from the WWE but he's isn't the only champ, just the heavyweight. Gsp has black belts in multiple martial arts and BJ penn trained with freddie roach kid!


That's right Lesanr isn't the only champ - People really need to be aware of Fedor who would be the equivalent of the true linear HW champ in MMA. Fighters like Lesnar don't even come close.

With Japanese MMA, the problem is the freakshow aspect of it, I mean, Jose Canseco is fighting Hong Man Choi in what is being called a "Super Hulk Tournament", what a joke.

MMA fighters need to learn to keep their hands up too (Hello Chuck Liddell), and so many of them throw arm punches and don't pivot their feet to put their body weight behind punches.

Which training is the most difficult and will get you in the best shape? My gym offer both training and it seem like the dudes in mma are in better shape. More cut and fit. So im thinking about adding mma training into my boxing routine although I dont want to mma fight. Do anybody else do this? What are your opinions on this? I figure you cant go wrong with training the total body.

MMA training is much more severe because you're using your entire body; but then again if you don't put youself through hell in boxing you're going to get eaten up as well. Actually, MMA training will help you get in super condition for boxing, but the drills really don't apply much.

One of the craziest training sessions i've ever had was some MMA training.

UFC brought MMA to the mass media but for the most part, most of the best MMA fighters aren't even competing in the UFC. PrideFC and other championships hold the better fighters, namely Fedor.
As for Brock Lesnar, I wouldnt call him anything close to a star.

Both. And I've trained competitively [SEE sig] for some time and never gotten ringworm. It all depends on what type of hygiene policy your stable[s] have, and quite simply YOU have. I shower a lot.

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+1 I say both!

Which training is the most difficult and will get you in the best shape? My gym offer both training and it seem like the dudes in mma are in better shape. More cut and fit. So im thinking about adding mma training into my boxing routine although I dont want to mma fight. Do anybody else do this? What are your opinions on this? I figure you cant go wrong with training the total body.

On the top world level, there is no athlete comparable to a boxer. Reflexes. Handspeed. Agility. Stamina. Power. Chin. Footspeed. Hand/eye coordination. On top of all that, add the risk of getting your brains beat out. You can't ****in' tap out in boxing like in MMA. If you tap out in boxing you'll get tomatoes and beers thrown at you. You tap out in MMA and it's a big show.

Boxers are second to none. Let's see an MMAer go 12 hard rounds, not gonna happen. You know how many MMAers there are, that started as Boxers and quit because it was too hard? ...

Basketball players have more stamina than your average :peeright: MMAer.

One of the craziest training sessions i've ever had was some MMA training.

Must have never boxed (Sparred) anyone with a pulse

Must have never boxed (Sparred) anyone with a pulse

hahahahahahahaha

Must have never boxed (Sparred) anyone with a pulse

I was thinking the same thing at the start of his thread. he says the boxers are nto as in good shape in his gym. Must be a **** boxing club. the proof is in the pudding, go to a club with succesful fighters. Then we'll see who's in better shape. Soemtimes MMA bums do tend to be ripped because they do alot fo weight training and end up getting slower, moving up the weight divisions very fast and collecting alot of KO's. You will find this very common in MMA, they like to lick the canvas and still rate the bums just like Couture. Losing is a habit of the MMA fighter, who proudly diosplays TAP OUT (surrender) on his t-shirt!

indeed.

MMa fighters gas and have no defense, they could at least tuck their chins. They are also slow and suck. It is a Redneck sport and they aren't real athletes. Thier champ is from the WWE.

lol you're an idiot, which one of the top fighters fights with no defense exactly? you obviously don't watch it and are just talking out of your ass. As for the redneck sport, here's a P4P list, who would you consider to be a redneck here?

1. Anderson Silva - Brazilian
2. Georges St. Pierrre - French Canadian
3. Fedor Emelianenko - Russian
4. Miguel Torres - Mexican
5. B.J. Penn - Hawaiian
6. Rashad Evans - Black
7. Quinton Jackson - Black
8. Mike Thomas Brown - White
9. Forrest Griffin - White
10. Thiago Alves - Brazilian

that's a pretty diverse list of people for a redneck sport :rofl:

lol you're an idiot, which one of the top fighters fights with no defense exactly? you obviously don't watch it and are just talking out of your ass. As for the redneck sport, here's a P4P list, who would you consider to be a redneck here?

1. Anderson Silva - Brazilian
2. Georges St. Pierrre - French Canadian
3. Fedor Emelianenko - Russian
4. Miguel Torres - Mexican
5. B.J. Penn - Hawaiian
6. Rashad Evans - Black
7. Quinton Jackson - Black
8. Mike Thomas Brown - White
9. Forrest Griffin - White
10. Thiago Alves - Brazilian

that's a pretty diverse list of people for a redneck sport :rofl:


its a redneck sport because of who it appeals to. I think its more of a meathead sport.

its a redneck sport because of who it appeals to. I think its more of a meathead sport.
the MMA audience is definetly younger than boxing's that's true but just because it's share of black viewers is less than boxing's doesn't make it a redneck sport

can someone explain to me about wrestlers getting ringworm lol :S

skin contact...I wrestled in high school and junior year I contracted ring worms on my forearm and bicep from practice. happens a lot for wrestlers

skin contact...I wrestled in high school and junior year I contracted ring worms on my forearm and bicep from practice. happens a lot for wrestlers

Its called washing yourself. You get it if you keep your skin nasty and dirty. Should have cleaned up afterwards. lol


MMA is more difficult and more conditioning than Boxing though. Because you need to do more things than punch and block. So your entire body has to be fit and strong.

Its called washing yourself. You get it if you keep your skin nasty and dirty. Should have cleaned up afterwards. lol


MMA is more difficult and more conditioning than Boxing though. Because you need to do more things than punch and block. So your entire body has to be fit and strong.

I am pretty sure you've done neither. boxing is 12 3 min rounds ufc what 3-4 5 min rounds.... do the math.... enough said.

Its called washing yourself. You get it if you keep your skin nasty and dirty. Should have cleaned up afterwards. lol


MMA is more difficult and more conditioning than Boxing though. Because you need to do more things than punch and block. So your entire body has to be fit and strong.

i keep myself clean, but that can't be said with others

I go to Mendez for boxing and somewehere else for BJJ. Box 3 days of the week and BJJ 3 days of thee week with sunday off.

I get a better workout int the boxing gym.

People in the boxing gym are much better athletes due to having more blue collar types being there. You can actually see the difference by loooking at the people in the gym. MMA gyms will have many more fat people. It is much more demanding to spar with someone than to 'roll' with someone. I can probably go str8 15 minutes without rest rolling effectively. After three rounds of sparring, I am already huffing for air.

MMA gyms usually attract more white people who just gotten turned on to the sport in the last 3-4 years, while boxers will have done it for a longer time. MMA gyms will also have people in there due to the image that the UFC has - They're there because they think it's cool. In the boxing gym, not so much. You usually don't wake up in your late 20s and say 'Hmm, I think I'm gonna boxand become champion' and actually do it. In MMA, the sky's the limit. Get a mohawk, tattos, ****ty boxing skills, ****ty BJJ skills and you can become champ just like that. Imagine, you can even become fat and champion. You don't even need to watch what you eat.

Also, people aren't as friendly in the boxing gym.

Boxers will **** up and mma'er standing up and an mma'er will put a boxer to sleep on the ground.

My suggestion is to cross train the boxing with jiu jitsu and also learn alittle muay thai, but don't concentrate on it. Just learn defense from kicks clinches and takedowns.

With your body type, I think you would be better off doing mma. You're too fat.

lol you're an idiot, which one of the top fighters fights with no defense exactly? you obviously don't watch it and are just talking out of your ass. As for the redneck sport, here's a P4P list, who would you consider to be a redneck here?

1. Anderson Silva - Brazilian
2. Georges St. Pierrre - French Canadian
3. Fedor Emelianenko - Russian
4. Miguel Torres - Mexican
5. B.J. Penn - Hawaiian
6. Rashad Evans - Black
7. Quinton Jackson - Black
8. Mike Thomas Brown - White
9. Forrest Griffin - White
10. Thiago Alves - Brazilian

that's a pretty diverse list of people for a redneck sport :rofl:
Forrest griffith, Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture are all redneck bums who lick canvas for a living and so are most of the guys you see on the show and so are all the contenders. None of them would survive the Hayemaker. Silva is p4p and just got battered!!! Lol. What a joke, his 5th L and I think 3rd by KO. Does that leave GSP? A Canadian is the hardest guy in the world? Get the **** out of here man! Lol

if you a homosexual go to MMA

I've heard many times that boxers dont tap out. no ****! there not put in a submission where they get there arm or leg broken. i have seen many times boxers quit. for any mma fighter to diss boxing and for any boxer to diss mma is stupid. a true athlete and a true fighter doesnt go around talking crap about other sports. both require incredible conditioning and are two totally different sports.

I am pretty sure you've done neither. boxing is 12 3 min rounds ufc what 3-4 5 min rounds.... do the math.... enough said.

Flicker has definitely done neither. Everytime i look into this forum and see his posts i hope no one actually listens to this *******. He just spouts some armchair boxing bull**** that dosent even make sense half the time. Anyone who has really boxed can tell this guy dosent know jack ****.

Flicker has definitely done neither. Everytime i look into this forum and see his posts i hope no one actually listens to this *******. He just spouts some armchair boxing bull**** that dosent even make sense half the time. Anyone who has really boxed can tell this guy dosent know jack ****.

Okay Noob. Great way at trying to get reputation.

First of all, I really dont know what your talking about. Show me one post that didn't make sense. Go, show me. What? Being a switch hitter? Using MARTIAL ART punching variations. What doesn't make sense? You show me that, or else your just lost all credibility and might as well quit posting.

MMA is more difficult than boxing.

Boxing:

Straight right
straight left
right hook
left hook
right uppercut
left uppercut
sway left
sway right
duck
fade away


Then you have the option of body or head. And that is boxing in a nutshell. Its easier said than done of course. But thats what it literally is.

MMA:

straight right
straight left
right hook
left hook
right uppercut
left uppercut
right knee
left knee
right elbow
left elbow
right kick
left kick
foot stomp
shoulder thrust
single leg takedown
double leg takedown
high crotch takedown
side mount
full mount
half guard
full guard
butterfly guard
north and south mount


Then you have the option of body, legs, or head. Then you have well over 1000 different types of submissions. Not even mentioning the VAST seperation in range of combat. Because of all this, you have to NOT ONLY work your upper body(boxing) but you have to work your legs EQUALLY. Unlike boxing where the legs aren't that big of a deal. Then you have to work your muscles to endure wrestling. Then you also have to work your muscles for submissions. Just like boxing, its easier said than done.

So tell me now. Which one has a higher difficulty?


MMA you have to train everything, even your fingers. Boxing is just upper body. I respect both but im not stupid enough to say Punching is more difficult than Punching, Kicking, Wrestling, and Submitting combined.

MMA gets you in better shape but boxing is more fun.

Okay Noob. Great way at trying to get reputation.

First of all, I really dont know what your talking about. Show me one post that didn't make sense. Go, show me. What? Being a switch hitter? Using MARTIAL ART punching variations. What doesn't make sense? You show me that, or else your just lost all credibility and might as well quit posting.

MMA is more difficult than boxing.

Boxing:

Straight right
straight left
right hook
left hook
right uppercut
left uppercut
sway left
sway right
duck
fade away


Then you have the option of body or head. And that is boxing in a nutshell. Its easier said than done of course. But thats what it literally is.

MMA:

straight right
straight left
right hook
left hook
right uppercut
left uppercut
right knee
left knee
right elbow
left elbow
right kick
left kick
foot stomp
shoulder thrust
single leg takedown
double leg takedown
high crotch takedown
side mount
full mount
half guard
full guard
butterfly guard
north and south mount


Then you have the option of body, legs, or head. Then you have well over 1000 different types of submissions. Not even mentioning the VAST seperation in range of combat. Because of all this, you have to NOT ONLY work your upper body(boxing) but you have to work your legs EQUALLY. Unlike boxing where the legs aren't that big of a deal. Then you have to work your muscles to endure wrestling. Then you also have to work your muscles for submissions. Just like boxing, its easier said than done.

So tell me now. Which one has a higher difficulty?


MMA you have to train everything, even your fingers. Boxing is just upper body. I respect both but im not stupid enough to say Punching is more difficult than Punching, Kicking, Wrestling, and Submitting combined.


I think that one sentence says it all....you dont know jack S*** about boxing

Unlike boxing where the legs aren't that big of a deal.
Wow this guy has lost his sense lol. Legs play a strong role in all fighting styles especially boxing.

lol lol....

Wow what a weird thread.

If you want to look ripped - change your diet and do an azzload of cardio
If you want to gain muscle lift weights
If you want to get good at punching people do boxing
If you want to get good at kicking people do muay thai
If you want to get good at ground fighting do bjj
If you want to get well rounded at all ranges do mma

More than BJJ, muay thai, or boxing - wrestling rules mma, because wrestlers have the ability to determine whether the fight goes to the ground or stays standing. All good mma guys train wrestling (or at least takedowns), but they also train boxing (and muay thai and bjj). I don't think you can conclusively say who's more conditioned - the wrestler or the boxer, they're different types of exercise. Mma folks have to do both, splitting their time between multiple disciplines, which is why they sometimes look unpolished (jack of all trades syndrome).

Speaking as a muay thai guy - boxers stay busier than us, higher output, with more active footwork; but you guys get those nice, cushy foul protectors (we get steel cups) and you don't have to worry about a solid round kick to the inside of the thigh, shin on shin clashes, or a knee cracking your rib cage (hard to take body punches seriously if that ever happens to you).

Most good muay thai people I know have in the past, or currently train boxing separately in addition the muay thai.
Same goes for all the good mma folks I've met.

Different strokes for different folks.
This rivalry stuff is silly.

Unlike boxing where the legs aren't that big of a deal.
Wow this guy has lost his sense lol. Legs play a strong role in all fighting styles especially boxing.

Okay, let me rephrase sense you appear to be a little slow. Boxing doesn't use the legs as much as MMA does. Happy? Does that tickle your tummy?

I think that one sentence says it all....you dont know jack S*** about boxing

It's the truth. You dont want to admit it because your a boxing fanatic who likes to talk about boxing but doesn't do **** in the ring.


I can show you guys the vast difference in boxing and mma if you want. Then right after we can go a couple of rounds boxing as well. Since apparently you both believe punching is harder to do than punching, kicking, wrestling, and submitting combined.

Right here in california. Adrenaline gym in san bernardino, just in case.

Okay, let me rephrase sense you appear to be a little slow. Boxing doesn't use the legs as much as MMA does. Happy? Does that tickle your tummy?



It's the truth. You dont want to admit it because your a boxing fanatic who likes to talk about boxing but doesn't do **** in the ring.


I can show you guys the vast difference in boxing and mma if you want. Then right after we can go a couple of rounds boxing as well. Since apparently you both believe punching is harder to do than punching, kicking, wrestling, and submitting combined.

Right here in california. Adrenaline gym in san bernardino, just in case.I might just give you a visit one day, if i visit the staes. I'll make you do my homework an' all!

I don't know you but have to agree with people that you know **** all about boxing (you missed out slipping and parrying, as well as shoulder rolls and other blocks, but you don;t expect a meth taking MMA bum to know about defence!) and probably are no good at it yourself. That's why you believe in MMA, it is for ******* who can't punch or fight and believe elaborate techniques and training at a snails pace will help them. Ramapge and his belly are a disgrace to professional sports. What about when Discovery channel compared him to a journeyman and the result was that he punches like a girl in comparison! Imagine what Hayemaker would do to him.


If MMA was better, the public are not dumb: it would be more popular wordlwide. The truth is that boxing is more popular, even in the far east! Like Floyd Jr said, MMa is for the bums who were not good enough for the bigtime of boxing!

hmmm..... in the end it is still a thread of Boxing vs MMA. Top Boxers win a boxing match. Top MMAers win a FIGHT (90% of the time). Boxers BOX. MMAers FIGHT. Oh ya, fights must still have rules like no biting and hitting the groin for the sake of a sport.

As for the training. MMA has MUCH MORE elements to cover in their training. But BOTH boxing and MMA training will keep you in shape.... it really depends on how hard YOU train.

Okay, let me rephrase sense you appear to be a little slow. Boxing doesn't use the legs as much as MMA does. Happy? Does that tickle your tummy?



It's the truth. You dont want to admit it because your a boxing fanatic who likes to talk about boxing but doesn't do **** in the ring.


I can show you guys the vast difference in boxing and mma if you want. Then right after we can go a couple of rounds boxing as well. Since apparently you both believe punching is harder to do than punching, kicking, wrestling, and submitting combined.

Right here in california. Adrenaline gym in san bernardino, just in case.


There you go making assumptions, your a moron and dont know what your talking about hahahah

hmmm..... in the end it is still a thread of Boxing vs MMA. Top Boxers win a boxing match. Top MMAers win a FIGHT (90% of the time). Boxers BOX. MMAers FIGHT. Oh ya, fights must still have rules like no biting and hitting the groin for the sake of a sport.

As for the training. MMA has MUCH MORE elements to cover in their training. But BOTH boxing and MMA training will keep you in shape.... it really depends on how hard YOU train.

A boxing match is the hardest type of fight. Your assumption is bull**** and based on no actual fight experience. Just because they fight within set rueles, doesn't mean a boxer can't adapt to what you would call a proper fight. Even in MMA when they stand up they always end up exchanging punches in slow motion. At this time, a boxer would win by brutal KTFO. Think Liddel V Couture when he outboxed him in slow motion because kicks would make him vulnerable to takedown. Couture couldn;t get past the mth taking bums punches so imagine what a boxer would do! Grffith V Ramage had alot opf punches exhanges and none of them knew how to tuck in their chins. IMO none of them guys are athletic enough to deal with a boxer and none of them have defence, ie. they can easily get knocked the **** out! Did you not see Ramapge on Discovery channel? He looked like a bum

If you put the best v the best from each sport, it would turn out like this all the time:

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A boxing match is the hardest type of fight. Your assumption is bull**** and based on no actual fight experience. Just because they fight within set rueles, doesn't mean a boxer can't adapt to what you would call a proper fight. Even in MMA when they stand up they always end up exchanging punches in slow motion. At this time, a boxer would win by brutal KTFO. Think Liddel V Couture when he outboxed him in slow motion because kicks would make him vulnerable to takedown. Couture couldn;t get past the mth taking bums punches so imagine what a boxer would do! Grffith V Ramage had alot opf punches exhanges and none of them knew how to tuck in their chins. IMO none of them guys are athletic enough to deal with a boxer and none of them have defence, ie. they can easily get knocked the **** out! Did you not see Ramapge on Discovery channel? He looked like a bum

If you put the best v the best from each sport, it would turn out like this all the time:

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By the way... those people in your video getting owned are NOT MMAers and they are definitely not TOP in their chosen sport. I get what you mean... but i am not so sure if a haye or mayweather knows how to defend a takedown... or even a leg kick. But anyway, i love both sports and there will FOREVER be a dedate.....peace:boxing:

A boxing match is the hardest type of fight.

sorry, i just don't think so...

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People have to keep in mind that the sport of boxing does not encompass the entirety of the style of boxing. In a NHB style MMA match in which a true practicioner of boxing in all its forms were to compete, he would do just fine. Remember that headbutting/elbows/clentchwork/dirty boxing is ALL still part of boxing. Well executed in-boxing/ clench boxing/ dirty boxing is every bit as effective/ devistating as a a Muy Thai clench/ mma style clench. Taking mma and comparing it to olympic/ pro boxing is silly because those forms are in fact softer, sport-friendly boxing for the masses. Bare knuckle boxing/clench boxing is and always has been part of the art and science of boxing. Just because you don't catch or see some things/techniques in matches doesn't mean they're not happening.

Keep in mind that boxing is one of the oldest most well established system of hand to hand combat. Arguably just as old as wrestling if not older. It has many, many different styles and techniques and holds and strikes and what-not that the sports version does not touch on. MMA owes more to boxing and its various forms than almost any other style it borrows from.

Remember, footwork, stances, upper body striking, clench work, and rhythm/ head movement in MMA is ALL DERIVED FROM BOXING.

Respect where respect is due. :boxing:

The truth is that it's not the style but the athlete that matters at the end of the day. A lazy person would not be successful no matter what system they trained in. All fighting requires the entire body to be in excellent condition. If you think a boxer can get away with not having the proper amount of strength or not training legs just because they use their hands to attack, you got it twisted.

MMA fighters are the jack of trades and masters of none. This is straight from the horse's mouth as GSP admits to training with athletes better than him in each system he studies. He wrestles with better wrestlers, box with better boxers to improve his overall game. Without specific disciplines such as boxing MMA fighters would have no styles to draw from. We need people who specialize in each area so we know who the experts are when it's time to improve in that specific area.

The truth is that it's not the style but the athlete that matters at the end of the day. A lazy person would not be successful no matter what system they trained in. All fighting requires the entire body to be in excellent condition. If you think a boxer can get away with not having the proper amount of strength or not training legs just because they use their hands to attack, you got it twisted.

MMA fighters are the jack of trades and masters of none. This is straight from the horse's mouth as GSP admits to training with athletes better than him in each system he studies. He wrestles with better wrestlers, box with better boxers to improve his overall game. Without specific disciplines such as boxing MMA fighters would have no styles to draw from. We need people who specialize in each area so we know who the experts are when it's time to improve in that specific area.

Good post!!!

Hudathan -
you're from my backyard. :)
You from Club One Fitness (the old BXF)?
I was there almost every day when I lived in Glen Burnie.

I agree with your assessment for the most part.
Footwork is extremely important in boxing, power comes from the legs.
But I will say that having to condition your legs for both delivering & taking leg kicks is a whole new arena of pain for most boxing folks.
A solid round house to the head is about twice as strong as a hard cross.
A knee to the body is at least 3 times the force of a good body punch.
Yes, boxers have to use their legs, but they don't have to watch for the other guy's legs swing at them to take their head off.

MMA guys, even more so than muay thai people, have to watch for everything. Whatever gets through can basically end the fight, which is why you see awkward guys with seemingly little skill being very effective. There aren't enough hours in the day to really master all aspects of a mma fight, the best they can hope to do is get enough exposure to be decent long enough to find the hole in the other guy's technique.

sorry, i just don't think so...

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Been there and wrecked that fella, and I can categorically say that despite being more painful, thaiboxing is not technically on same level and fitness wise they are lgiht years behind. They are huffing and puffin even though it is 5X3 rounds only and in Thailand they even take 2 minute breaks between rounds. Alot of muaythai fighters overthere smoke and drink too, and have journeymen records as losing is a way of life. Going back to technique, you can see they have no defence as they just go toe to toe and swap blows n ifrst vid. i'm glad you posted it as it shows how important boxing skills are even in a muaythai fight and how they are not on same level! When they use their head to block punches, a boxer would slip, parry, block and counter and take much less damage. I don't think they can mentally hack 12 rounds either from what I have seen in my muaythai years. I saw many 'world title' fights, and saw some poor fitness. That's why some 'pro' thaiboxers get £10 (ex expenses!!!!!!!) a fight whereas even a journeyman boxer would not get out of bed for that! Hell, even am's get more than that in travel& hotel expenses and free sandwich, lol. But mauythai is still better, more entertaining and more dignified than redneck MMA IMO
By the way... those people in your video getting owned are NOT MMAers and they are definitely not TOP in their chosen sport. I get what you mean... but i am not so sure if a haye or mayweather knows how to defend a takedown... or even a leg kick. But anyway, i love both sports and there will FOREVER be a dedate.....peace:boxing:
The low kick myth is way overrated! Cliff Couser is the **** brother of Tyson, but even he survived rounds and rounds of low kicks in K1. One of the elite boxers would step in and unleash some pain! Just youtube Cliff and see what I mean and his woeful record is availabe on boxrec. As for the takedown, if meth taking Liddell can keep them at bay with slow motion jabs, then hayemaker and Mayweather would have a walk in the park!

Been there and wrecked that fella, and I can categorically say that despite being more painful, thaiboxing is not technically on same level and fitness wise they are lgiht years behind.

Sure you did... I completely believe you.... :rolleyes:

They are huffing and puffin even though it is 5X3 rounds only and in Thailand they even take 2 minute breaks between rounds.

That's actually the first I've heard of the 2 minutes, but it appears to be true. K1-max uses 1 minute rest, as does the rest of the world.
Huffin and puffin by the 5th round is funny; the Thais are machines.
They train more than boxers. Of course they can't rest in the clinch and throwing kicks is more demanding than punches (try to throw 100 kicks in a round, I dare yah :) ) so that will explain some of it.

Alot of muaythai fighters overthere smoke and drink too, and have journeymen records as losing is a way of life.

First off, a tuk tuk driver is not the same as the elite, Yodsanklai & Buakaw don't smoke or drink. Of course I could point the finger back and laugh that a chain smoker like Mayorga has been in big ppv fights.
Going 40 and 0 against handpicked opponents is not the same thing as having a 300 fight career. They fight the old way: one month or less between bouts, none of this handpicking your opponents, nor fighting 2 times a year BS.

Going back to technique, you can see they have no defence as they just go toe to toe and swap blows n ifrst vid.

Now you're just going to get embarrassed as I posted those things to demonstrate the brutality & intensity.
I'll go ahead and post to demonstrate skill:
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i'm glad you posted it as it shows how important boxing skills are even in a muaythai fight and how they are not on same level!

That's why I added these new clips.
Clip 2 fought Fenech in the 80s - cut too much weight & had a poor performance, but was an accomplished boxer nonetheless.
Clip 3 was an Olympic gold medal winner IN BOXING.

That's why some 'pro' thaiboxers get £10 (ex expenses!!!!!!!) a fight whereas even a journeyman boxer would not get out of bed for that! Hell, even am's get more than that in travel& hotel expenses and free sandwich, lol. But mauythai is still better, more entertaining and more dignified than redneck MMA IMO

The first statement I agree with you 100%

The low kick myth is way overrated! Cliff Couser is the **** brother of Tyson, but even he survived rounds and rounds of low kicks in K1. One of the elite boxers would step in and unleash some pain! Just youtube Cliff and see what I mean and his woeful record is availabe on boxrec.

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So Couser was a C-level K1 JOURNEYMAN's punching bag for 3 rounds. A journeyman who's claim to fame is being on the receiving end of 2 highlight reel knockouts? And your point? It's not like he actually did anything. If anything the leg kicks, the hand & feet combos, and not being able to take a nap in the clinch took him completely out of his gameplan....

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yeah, that's your boy Skelton who's had a pretty nice run in boxing...

Do you really want me to bust out vids of Ray Mercer, Botha's early K1 bouts, Arthur Williams, or the indomitable Trevor Berbick?
Granted, you'll probably post poor performances by Mighty Mo and Ray Sefo in boxing, o well.

Let me clarify in saying that 12 rounds is a brutal endurance trial and that boxing is a hard sport. BUT you don't have to deal with shins, knees, and elbows, plus you get to wear those pretty foul protectors. Some of the rules for allowable targets in thailand are the same targets that big name boxers cry about if someone even lands close (there's no rabbit punching rule).

Muay Thai gloves are 6 ounces by the way....

both can get you in shape but if your training to fight boxing, train for boxing....

if u a boxer u can destroy his face but the other will submit you, i tried amatuer MMA one time lol the guy does not know how to box always got hit till his face was bloody mess but he choked me so i tapped out. lol But my face was still perfect and unharmed lolol!! he had to go to hospital hahahah!!

edited, read post below.

I was thinking the same thing at the start of his thread. he says the boxers are nto as in good shape in his gym. Must be a **** boxing club. the proof is in the pudding, go to a club with succesful fighters. Then we'll see who's in better shape. Soemtimes MMA bums do tend to be ripped because they do alot fo weight training and end up getting slower, moving up the weight divisions very fast and collecting alot of KO's. You will find this very common in MMA, they like to lick the canvas and still rate the bums just like Couture. Losing is a habit of the MMA fighter, who proudly diosplays TAP OUT (surrender) on his t-shirt!

Yeah. **** this whole thread, and the MMA part of this site. Some MMA child named DeltaSigChi4 just gave me -k for saying that stuff about world level boxers having more stamina. These young MMA mother****ers are the epitome of annoyance. Well I got a big suprise for you little cunts who like to roll around on the ground. OH YEAH, HE TAPPED OUT OMG GREAT FIGHT. Get the **** outta here with your ****. Yeah, he ****ing quit, and you don't think he's a ***** for it. That ain't a fight. Having a guy get his brains rattled and then getting off the canvas and getting the chance given to him to continue, and him making the decision of whether or not to quit like a ***** mmaer or keep fightin'. In Boxing, you tap out, and you're a ****in punk, straight up...

In MMA, you can tap out and nobody gives a ****. It's a bunch of horse**** if you ask me, and that's why it ain't in the olympics..cause it ain't even a ****in' sport... it's a circus show..

and for the record, you *******s...

putting a tapout sticker on the back of your car or truck doesn't add inches to your dick.

this site was much better before u added the mma section. I used to lurk all the time and this kinda **** never came up. bull****.

k sry im in a bad mood I just been training my ass off and went a good 8 rounds. That last round I went all power shots to the body with my coach holding the bag, zero technique, all power. The skin on my right pinky tore off about 1/6th of an inch deep. my right hook downstairs, gives nightmares, nightmares...-liston


and after havin said all that bad stuff about MMA and boxing, and how boxers are in superior athletic condition on the world level...

I'm a guy who's been in fifty seven streetfights, some ended with one punch, some lasted 15 minutes. And I can tell you about all of them.

But I will say this, (This is strictly pertaining to streetfighting) out of respect to mixed martial artists and guys who know something about grappling. If a guy who is good at grappling knows how to avoid an oncoming punch from a good boxer, and get a guy who only knows boxing and strictly boxing, on his ass on the ground....The boxer is ****ed...I've seen it happen. I've also beat the **** out of mixed martial artists with my bare hands after they've taken me down. But I know how to wrestle and can throw a guy who weighs about 150 lbs a good ten feet on his ass..., my neighbor is a sambo expert. My old neighbor, that is. I've been wanting to find a Sambo school actually and learn more about the great sport. I love how Sambo mixes Akido with Greco Roman and just the throws and everything about it, I love.

Sambo and Boxing, imho, are the best two things for anyone to learn for self defense. Boxing first, Sambo 2nd, you'll **** up six guys as long as you keep your chin down.

and to the dude who gave me bad karma, go **** your mother.

Im appauled by how ignorant you are Flicker Jab. I thought you were gonna be cool ya know? Seeing how I was Flicker(after the jab) and your flicker jab. But your just ignorant. Period.

Boxers dont necessarily have more stamina. They just use manage their stamina better. Thats the whole point in going rounds on the heavy bag, Correct?

Anyways. The way I see it is like this...

MMA = 100m sprint
Boxing = 10k marathon

If you put a marathon runner in a sprinter competition, they wont last. You put a sprinter in a marathon, they wont last.

To the retard, flicker jab.

MMA was in the olympics. Under a different name and when the olympics first started. Its called Pankration. Go look it up.

Yep, pankration u gotta love alexander the great and greeks!

Im appauled by how ignorant you are Flicker Jab. I thought you were gonna be cool ya know? Seeing how I was Flicker(after the jab) and your flicker jab. But your just ignorant. Period.

Boxers dont necessarily have more stamina. They just use manage their stamina better. Thats the whole point in going rounds on the heavy bag, Correct?

Anyways. The way I see it is like this...

MMA = 100m sprint
Boxing = 10k marathon

If you put a marathon runner in a sprinter competition, they wont last. You put a sprinter in a marathon, they wont last.

To the retard Flicker you dont know what your talking about

if u a boxer u can destroy his face but the other will submit you, i tried amatuer MMA one time lol the guy does not know how to box always got hit till his face was bloody mess but he choked me so i tapped out. lol But my face was still perfect and unharmed lolol!! he had to go to hospital hahahah!!
With more experience, you would have finished him off before the submission. This is common amongst MMA fighters: they can't defend punches and have no boxing skills. If any of them do learn how to box and develop skills, they ALWAY switch over.
Yeah. **** this whole thread, and the MMA part of this site. Some MMA child named DeltaSigChi4 just gave me -k for saying that stuff about world level boxers having more stamina. These young MMA mother****ers are the epitome of annoyance.]
Giving Red K is just childish. Sour grapes because boxing always has been and always will be number one?
Im appauled by how ignorant you are Flicker Jab. I thought you were gonna be cool ya know? Seeing how I was Flicker(after the jab) and your flicker jab. But your just ignorant. Period.

Boxers dont necessarily have more stamina. They just use manage their stamina better. Thats the whole point in going rounds on the heavy bag, Correct?

Anyways. The way I see it is like this...

MMA = 100m sprint
Boxing = 10k marathon

If you put a marathon runner in a sprinter competition, they wont last. You put a sprinter in a marathon, they wont last.
Wrong! The MMA rounds are longer and 25 minutes:36minutes is not the same ratio to 100m:25miles!!! I think boxing is just more intense and that it is mentally harder to come out for 12 rounds than it is for 5. Also, the intensity is less in MMA and they do not have the lelvel of competition that 10,000 professional and amateur boxers bring to the table. The stamina comes from the fact that the tempo is much higher and levles of competition are better. Boxing attracts more top level athletes too
To the retard, flicker jab.

MMA was in the olympics. Under a different name and when the olympics first started. Its called Pankration. Go look it up.
You mean at the ANCIENT Olympics in ANCIENT Greece where there is a lack of historical documents covering the rules. Most scholars believe it was mainly wrestling combined with boxing. It isn't on the Olympic menu now though is it? because it is just an antique