WTF? I wouldn't stick aroudn for an interview either. Judges were obviously bought.

WTF? I wouldn't stick aroudn for an interview either. Judges were obviously bought.



Golota was fighting HEAVILY dirty in that fight, while the referee down played it the judges probably did not.


You might not like Ruiz's style of fighting but beating someone on the back of the head and throwing them down is a lot worse in the judges eyes then a simple clinch....


Everyone *****es everytime ruiz wins, because of his style but the fact is Golota fouled John all night...


How in the hell can a fighter punch a guy in the balls and say "aww thats just a love tap, keep it going"


No referee in their right mind should officiate like that and it was poor on the refs behalf.


I had it as a pretty close fight and fell asleep around the 10th-11th, but I still dont care who won/what happened either way....


On a side note, If it was bought it clearly looked in favor of Golota.

To say the fight was fixed was ludicrous, Don King knows Golota generates money and Ruiz does not. That is a clear observation no fix was in, because if their was Andrew would have been champ right now on 2 occasions...

Also I have no doubts after Norman Stone got the boot, the judges felt a bit of sorrow for Ruiz and gave him an extra point or two......

I had it as a pretty close fight and fell asleep around the 10th-11th, but I still dont care who won/what happened either way....

lmao
best description of a fight right there

do you stay awake for Coreys full "fights"?

lmao
best description of a fight right there

do you stay awake for Coreys full "fights"?



I took a bit of a snooze (rounds 4-9) in the Ricardo fight.

WTF? I wouldn't stick aroudn for an interview either. Judges were obviously bought.

did you see the fight?

Golota was fighting HEAVILY dirty in that fight, while the referee down played it the judges probably did not.



You might not like Ruiz's style of fighting but beating someone on the back of the head and throwing them down is a lot worse in the judges eyes then a simple clinch....


Everyone *****es everytime ruiz wins, because of his style but the fact is Golota fouled John all night...


How in the hell can a fighter punch a guy in the balls and say "aww thats just a love tap, keep it going"


No referee in their right mind should officiate like that and it was poor on the refs behalf.


I had it as a pretty close fight and fell asleep around the 10th-11th, but I still dont care who won/what happened either way....


On a side note, If it was bought it clearly looked in favor of Golota.

To say the fight was fixed was ludicrous, Don King knows Golota generates money and Ruiz does not. That is a clear observation no fix was in, because if their was Andrew would have been champ right now on 2 occasions...

Also I have no doubts after Norman Stone got the boot, the judges felt a bit of sorrow for Ruiz and gave him an extra point or two......

Exactly. I think people are reading the round-by-round on this site and didn't see the fight. The ones who saw the fight are mixed on who won, which is appropriate given the close judges scores.

...And if the fix was in it would be FOR Golota because 2 straight losses hurts his place among the contenders. King wouldn't screw over a guy twice in a row - it hurts his own pockets.

...And if the fix was in it would be FOR Golota because 2 straight losses hurts his place among the contenders. King wouldn't screw over a guy twice in a row - it hurts his own pockets.


??? His pocket would be hurt more if Ruiz lost

Ruiz's stock doesn't fall with one loss like Golota's with 2. If Ruiz loses, he probably fights Byrd or Brewster for one of the other belts.

Exactly. I think people are reading the round-by-round on this site and didn't see the fight. The ones who saw the fight are mixed on who won, which is appropriate given the close judges scores.



Not true. I saw the fight. I think Golota thoroughly won.

Ruiz has made 120 fouls (illegal "huggs") during the fight, and he was "thrown" on the canvas only because of his wrestling style. I wish Golota would just wrestle Ruiz to his defeat and pulled a ruiz on Ruiz.

The rabbit punching went both ways but it was not intentional in either case, I think.

Ruiz's stock doesn't fall with one loss like Golota's with 2. If Ruiz loses, he probably fights Byrd or Brewster for one of the other belts.


I do not think Golota's stock fell so much. He came out of nowehere to fight Byrd. Ruiz has a huge market among hispanic viewers. Mentally unstable foreigner Golota is much less marketable.

If Ruiz had lost, he could have asked to be ranked by the WBO who would have ranked him near the top and with Toney injured, a fight vs. Brewster would probably have been ok'd.

Ruiz vacated his IBF ranking; there's just a matter of paperwork to get the shot at Byrd.

Golota moves farther down the rankings and won't get a title shot anytime soon.

If Ruiz had lost, he could have asked to be ranked by the WBO who would have ranked him near the top and with Toney injured, a fight vs. Brewster would probably have been ok'd.

Ruiz vacated his IBF ranking; there's just a matter of paperwork to get the shot at Byrd.

Golota moves farther down the rankings and won't get a title shot anytime soon.


Nah ... Just watch what Don King can do

Mentally unstable foreigner Golota is much less marketable.

Exactly - that's why with a guy like that, you need a belt to sell his fight more. If you're gonna fix it, you put the belt on Golota and let Ruiz go after another or fight another big name opponent on a PPV card. Golota's next fight will be lucky to be televised.

Exactly - that's why with a guy like that, you need a belt to sell his fight more. If you're gonna fix it, you put the belt on Golota and let Ruiz go after another or fight another big name opponent on a PPV card. Golota's next fight will be lucky to be televised.


Ruiz needs a belt to sell his fights. In any case, I will NEVER watch a fight with Ruiz again.

Not true. I saw the fight. I think Golota thoroughly won.

Ruiz has made 120 fouls (illegal "huggs") during the fight, and he was "thrown" on the canvas only because of his wrestling style. I wish Golota would just wrestle Ruiz to his defeat and pulled a ruiz on Ruiz.

The rabbit punching went both ways but it was not intentional in either case, I think.

You thought Golota. So did Rick Reeno and some others. I thought Ruiz. So did the dude with Stallone in his avatar. That's what I meant by "mixed", not that we all were conflicted in who we thought won.

You thought Golota. So did Rick Reeno and some others. I thought Ruiz. So did the dude with Stallone in his avatar. That's what I meant by "mixed", not that we all were conflicted in who we thought won.

ok


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That's not true. Ruiz's marketability is crap, even among hispanics. Golota would be much more profitable for King (just compare the ratings of Golota fights vs Ruiz fights for crying out loud), so any talk of a King conspiracy is nill. I didn't see Golota-Ruiz but from what I've read Golota did not clearly win (it seems like neither man did and a draw would've been suitable) and I remember people crying even more about the Byrd fight and i had Byrd winning that fight by 2 points . . .

Ruiz needs a belt to sell his fights.

WTF, you just said he was huge among the Hispanic market! Come on now, at least keep the same train of thought for an entire page on a thread!

That's not true. Ruiz's marketability is crap, even among hispanics. Golota would be much more profitable for King, so any talk of a King conspiracy is nill. I didn't see Golota-Ruiz but from what I've read Golota did not clearly win (it seems like neither man did and a draw would've been suitable) and I remember people crying even more about the Byrd fight and i had Byrd winning that fight by 2 points . . .


Two out of three judges were hispanic, and they picked the Hugger to win.

Since Don King promotes both fighters, he was in charge of selecting the judges. If Don King wanted Golota to win, why would he select two biased referees that ended up giving an IMPOSSIBLE score of 114-111 to Ruiz?

WTF, you just said he was huge among the Hispanic market! Come on now, at least keep the same train of thought for an entire page on a thread!


I am being consistent.

He needs a belt to be popular among hispanics.

If he had no belt, I doubt that even hispanic viewers would pay to see very bad wrestling.

You didn't answer my question. Why would King want to keep an un-marketable guy who is the black cat of the boxing world to remain a champion?? Why would he not want an Eastern super-fight between Golota and Vitali?? SO he can break PPV records with Ruiz-Byrd??????

You didn't answer my question. Why would King want to keep an un-marketable guy who is the black cat of the boxing world to remain a champion?? Why would he not want an Eastern super-fight between Golota and Vitali?? SO he can break PPV records with Ruiz-Byrd??????


I do think Ruiz is marketable if he has a belt. Is Golota more marketable than Ruiz? I doubt it. I think Ruiz has more chance of hugging Vitali over than Golota has the chance of winning over Vitali. Having Golota fight Vitali is like handing Vitali the belt. I do not think DK wants that.

He would probably let Golota take the WBO belt though and set up a fight with Vitali.

And also, yes Ruiz clinches. But if you see his fights with Rahman and Oquendo, his opponents are doing as much if not more clinching then he is. Golota was the bigger stronger man. He got fatigued in the middle rounds and I have no doubt he was using the clinches to take breathers as much as Ruiz . . . and what do you do when someone clinches you?? Time a counter, double hook to the body, throw a friggin' uppercut?? It's not like a person is powerless if a short, slow-footed Puerto Rican named Ruiz wants to get in a clinch. What about footwork, working the jab? Ruiz is ugly and dirty but his opponents are to blame for not taking this guy outta there. The guy not named Jones to clearly beat Ruiz was a 39 yr old Holyfield in their rubber match (which was horrendously ruled a draw-now that's a bade decision if I've ever seen one). What does that say? Ruiz is not that good. Sad thing is, neither are his opponents . . . .

that kinda fight belongs in the wwf

And also, yes Ruiz clinches. But if you see his fights with Rahman and Oquendo, his opponents are doing as much if not more clinching then he is. Golota was the bigger stronger man. He got fatigued in the middle rounds and I have no doubt he was using the clinches to take breathers as much as Ruiz . . . and what do you do when someone clinches you?? Time a counter, double hook to the body, throw a friggin' uppercut?? It's not like a person is powerless if a short, slow-footed Puerto Rican named Ruiz wants to get in a clinch. What about footwork, working the jab? Ruiz is ugly and dirty but his opponents are to blame for not taking this guy outta there. The guy not named Jones to clearly beat Ruiz was a 39 yr old Holyfield in their rubber match (which was horrendously ruled a draw-now that's a bade decision if I've ever seen one). What does that say? Ruiz is not that good. Sad thing is, neither are his opponents . . . .


I AGREE COMPLETELY. GOOD KARMA

umm Ruiz has had a belt for a few years now (with the Jones Jr debacle aside) . . and his fights sell for ****. King has to tack on Ruiz fights to larger cards in order to sell anything. Golota on the otherhand has a huge Polish and Russian following who turn up in droves to all his fights. Look at the attendence and ratings-it is clear to see who packs the house. Hell, Golota appeared 3 years out of retirement and headlined a PPV card? Could you imagine Ruiz not fighting for 3 years, coming back and fighting on PPV???

umm Ruiz has had a belt for a few years now (with the Jones Jr debacle aside) . . and his fights sell for ****. King has to tack on Ruiz fights to larger cards in order to sell anything. Golota on the otherhand has a huge Polish and Russian following who turn up in droves to all his fights. Look at the attendence and ratings-it is clear to see who packs the house.


Not sure if the Russian community is that big. Most receipts come from PPV sales and the mostly american make-up of PPViewers is a more important factor.

Ruiz needs his belt in order to get any market value. Golota has fans that will follow him no matter what he does, how many times he loses or even if he quits, just look at his fights with Tyson, Grant and Lewis. King knows this.

If Ruiz had no belt, no other heavyweights would want to fight him and King would be unable to market him as even Latino fans cant stand him. King can still get a Golota-Klitschko bout, with or without beating Ruiz. Golota told me that he never wanted to fight Ruiz, he was forced into the fight because the winner woule get the winner of Byrd-McCline.

How many times do you see a fighter not want to fight another fighter who who holds a recognized strap? The problem with Ruiz-Golota is that there were so many coin flip rounds that depending on what you like or what you were looking at, many rounds could have gone either way.

About 70% of the sites I went to had Golota up by 1-2 points or had the fight a draw. When you have a close fight like this fought at close range with the Ruiz hug and tug gameplan, many rounds will be so hard to score that judges will not know what to do. It's sad that none of those round were even rounds on any of the official cards, I had at least 2-3 rounds scored even because neither fighter did anything.

i dont even want to imagine ruiz coming back..
hope he retires..with byrd aiiiight

Ruiz needs his belt in order to get any market value. Golota has fans that will follow him no matter what he does, how many times he loses or even if he quits, just look at his fights with Tyson, Grant and Lewis. King knows this.

If Ruiz had no belt, no other heavyweights would want to fight him and King would be unable to market him as even Latino fans cant stand him. King can still get a Golota-Klitschko bout, with or without beating Ruiz. Golota told me that he never wanted to fight Ruiz, he was forced into the fight because the winner woule get the winner of Byrd-McCline.

How many times do you see a fighter not want to fight another fighter who who holds a recognized strap? The problem with Ruiz-Golota is that there were so many coin flip rounds that depending on what you like or what you were looking at, many rounds could have gone either way.

About 70% of the sites I went to had Golota up by 1-2 points or had the fight a draw. When you have a close fight like this fought at close range with the Ruiz hug and tug gameplan, many rounds will be so hard to score that judges will not know what to do. It's sad that none of those round were even rounds on any of the official cards, I had at least 2-3 rounds scored even because neither fighter did anything.


Well said. I perfectly agree!!!

Don't you think Ruiz would have been in another title fight in 2005 even with an 'L' though? I agree fight fans don't dig Ruiz, but to suggest they needed a fix when there's 4 belts and King owns 3 is a stretch...

Don't you think Ruiz would have been in another title fight in 2005 even with an 'L' though? I agree fight fans don't dig Ruiz, but to suggest they needed a fix when there's 4 belts and King owns 3 is a stretch...

Possibly so, but any fighter would want to avoid fighting Ruiz as much as possible. RJJ abandoned his belt not to fight the Hugger for the second time, even though he made Ruiz look like a fool in their first fight.

ruiz vs byrd....ahh sh*t ..lol...u know what the worst part...i think ruiz may actually win that to...crap...i agree..i am latino..and i dont like ruiz much...i guess it just the belt help him cuz it keep people tuned in..to see when he will finally lose...this guy could lose his haed and would grow a new one before losing...but!..he did fall twice and got up..gotta give him atleast a lil respect for that

Don't you think Ruiz would have been in another title fight in 2005 even with an 'L' though? I agree fight fans don't dig Ruiz, but to suggest they needed a fix when there's 4 belts and King owns 3 is a stretch...


I doubt there was a fix, but there was a considerable influence on who gets to judge the fight.

DK did not have to directly fix the fight, but he could influence the selection of refs and judges, especially since he promoted both fighters.

I do not think Golota's stock fell so much. He came out of nowehere to fight Byrd. Ruiz has a huge market among hispanic viewers. Mentally unstable foreigner Golota is much less marketable.

In his past two fights, Golota has shown no mental instablility. None. So stop it with the labeling. He's past it.

ruiz vs byrd....ahh sh*t ..lol...u know what the worst part...i think ruiz may actually win that to...crap...i agree..i am latino..and i dont like ruiz much...i guess it just the belt help him cuz it keep people tuned in..to see when he will finally lose...this guy could lose his haed and would grow a new one before losing...but!..he did fall twice and got up..gotta give him atleast a lil respect for that


Ruiz is very tough in his mind, that is the only repect that we can give him.

In his past two fights, Golota has shown no mental instablility. None. So stop it with the labeling. He's past it.


I agree, but that's not what general perception is. Just recall how much fun Larry Merchant had before Golota/Ruiz fight. He enjoyed recalling the past, his quitting and hitting below the belt, and all the associated mental instability.

It does not matter what I think. What Larry thinks is far more important.

And you do not tell me what to say.

Norman Stone was the highlight of the night during that fight....Great guy.

Norman Stone was the highlight of the night during that fight....Great guy.



What? That was fun, but he was quite a dork.