UFC lost many fans tonight.


Another big time UFC Flop that sports pundits and newscasters are calling a "bizarre" night once again with UFC's #1 p4p top dog and 'face of UFC' fighting, Anderson the spider Silva fought what is called a 'bizarre' and boring uneventful fight where he spent 5 rounds doing absolutely nothing and "punching at the opponents feet", just dancing around the ring and taunting his opponents.
Chuck Liddell also got KTFO and owned with 1 weak shot.

Some RbR quotes:

"Three minutes in, barely three strikes have been attempted in total."

"In round three, Leites is tiring -- he misses a takedown. Silva pokes him in the eye, but Leites regains composure while on the ground. Leites begins flopping to the mat, but Silva doesn’t bite. Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg begin discussing hockey. This one is for Anderson purists only."

"Round four: Silva accelerates uses of a push kick that lands solidly against Leites’ knee and thigh. Leites tries to get it down, but he’s simply too tired to outhustle Silva. Silva attempts a punch to Leites’ foot. Despite having a near-stationary target in front of him, Silva refuses to put together an offense. An absolutely bizarre performance."


"Round five: Leites lands a last-ditch single, but he can’t maintain control and Silva winds up on top, delivering punches. The crowd chants profanities. Leites is trying, but his gas tank won’t do him any favors."


Even UFC fans are tired of this trash. UFC is in fast decline and is losing a lot of steam/fans.

Why is Chuck just sent out to get KOed by everyone now? **** is getting sad.

Don't hate on mma. All combat sports are good. So what. Silva had a boring, yet dominating performance. Sounds a lot like a certain pretty boy that gets worshiped on this site by quite a few people.

Don't hate on mma. All combat sports are good. So what. Silva had a boring, yet dominating performance. Sounds a lot like a certain pretty boy that gets worshiped on this site by quite a few people.

1. This is not the first by Silva, a previous (last year) performance of his was so decried by critics as horrendous, bizarre, and unworthy of even TV air time that even Dana White came on national TV to apologize to fans and castigate Silva on a HORRIBLE AND EMBARRASSING performance.

Please don't compare this skill-less joker to PBF

1. This is not the first by Silva, a previous (last year) performance of his was so decried by critics as horrendous, bizarre, and unworthy of even TV air time that even Dana White came on national TV to apologize to fans and castigate Silva on a HORRIBLE AND EMBARRASSING performance.

Please don't compare this skill-less joker to PBF

Sometimes I wish there was somebody there to apologize to me after sitting through a few of Floyd's fights.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-silva041909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

here's an article:

MONTREAL – Anderson Silva wasn’t one of the Ultimate Fighting Championship’s biggest pay-per-view draws despite a slew of highlight reel knockouts and a reputation as the finest mixed martial arts fighter in the world.

After Saturday’s performance, the toughest job in sports may belong to the person who has to devise a marketing campaign for his next fight.

Silva won a unanimous decision over Thales Leites in the main event of UFC 97 on Saturday night at the Bell Centre, but it was such a mystifying and dreadful performance that it left UFC president Dana White angry and embarrassed.
“I can honestly tell you that I’ve never put on an event that I was embarrassed to be at until tonight,” White said. “I want to publicly apologize to all the fans.”
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Leites was flopping onto the ground at the first sign Silva would throw a punch at him, hoping to turn it into a grappling contest. Silva, though, wouldn’t fall for the bait and forced Leites repeatedly to stand.

And while it was admittedly hard to look good with the way Leites was fighting, the man who is supposedly the best fighter in the world needs to find a way to force the action.

It’s the second consecutive time that Silva has been in such a fight. At UFC 90 in October, White was so mystified by Silva’s lack of aggression that he said he thought he was in “bizarro world” watching it.

Silva had an unlikely ally Saturday in Chuck Liddell, whose career likely ended earlier in the night when he was knocked out by Mauricio “Shogun” Rua. Liddell clearly placed more of the blame for the lack of action on Leites’ unwillingness to engage even a little.

“He was attacking the whole time,” Liddell said of Silva. “It’s a frustrating fight for a striker when every time you go to hit a guy, he falls on his back.”

Silva is paid big money to hit his opponents and then knock them on their backs. For the second fight in a row, he failed to let his hands and feet go and fought a measured, controlled fight.

The crowd of 21,451 at the Bell Centre was booing a minute into the fight and by the final round, it was chanting an obscenity in an attempt to convey its displeasure.

White planned to have a long conversation with Silva and manager Ed Soares following the postfight news conference. During the fight, White got up from his cageside seat and walked over to Soares and gave him an earful.

Just as he was in Chicago, though, Silva was singularly unaffected. He had the air of a man who had just performed his job exceptionally, rather than one who had more than 20,000 people in the building and thousands more watching on television at home feeling he’d cheated them out of their money.

“Everything I trained to do, I did,” Silva said.

It’s one of his stock answers these days, as he repeated it incessantly prior to the fight in response to numerous queries about his performance against Cote.

But the bottom line is this: If Silva is going to be the big star, if he’s going to make the big paycheck, then he has to realize it’s incumbent upon him to put on a show. Liddell has now lost four of his last five and has been knocked cold in three of them, but he came to fight and made his bout entertaining for as long as it lasted.

The same can’t be said of Silva, who doesn’t seem to grasp that he’s not carrying his end of the bargain.

“I apologize. I personally apologize for what happened tonight,” White said. “You guys know, this isn’t what the UFC was built on and this isn’t the way the fights usually go. Listen, any night you can have an off-night. When a guy is that talented and can literally end a fight whenever he wants to, wow.”

Leites clearly deserves his share of the blame for the debacle that was the main event. He had a three-month training camp and knew he’d have to deal with Silva’s striking at some point.

The challenger, though, simply ignored that facet of the game. He backpedaled until he could go back no more and then, more often than not, fell to his back hoping to sucker Silva into a jiu-jitsu fight.

It never worked. And when Silva did manage to keep the fight standing, he didn’t force the action and try to knock Leites out.

“I’m comfortable with people’s opinion, because they have a right to their opinion, but when I went out there, everything I [prepared for] in training, I felt I executed in the fight. My game plan was that I wanted to go to the later rounds with Thales. I was unable to finish. Sometimes I’m able to finish guys and sometimes I’m not able to. But I felt I proved to everybody that I’m able to go five rounds and that I’m in good shape.”

Nobody really wanted to see that, though. They purchased big money for the tickets – the paid gate at the Bell Centre was $4.9 million – to see him blast Leites and get rid of him as early and as violently as possible.

The only thing that may change Silva’s performance at this point is to give him an opponent he feels may be able to defeat him. White was pressed a lot about making a fight between Silva and welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre, but he noted St. Pierre has a difficult bout upcoming against Thiago Alves.

The other option is for him to move up again, however briefly, to light heavyweight and challenge one of the slew of great strikers who compete in that division.

“We’ve got to do something,” White said, shaking his head. “Watching that was hard. That was tough to take. It was embarrassing, honestly. It was really and truly embarrassing.”

as you can see Dana White is even utterly disgusted and embarrassed, fuming and apologetic to fans.

UFC is in SHARP DECLINE. Boxing is back on top as of this year. UFC is going down hill and losing fans.

as you can see Dana White is even utterly disgusted and embarrassed, fuming and apologetic to fans.

UFC is in SHARP DECLINE. Boxing is back on top as of this year. UFC is going down hill and losing fans.

Please stop. The UFC/MMA is here to stay, as is boxing. Nothing wrong with liking both. Roach trains a few top mma fighters a lot of boxers are fans of the sport (Oscar, RJJ, Hatton...)

Please stop. The UFC/MMA is here to stay, as is boxing. Nothing wrong with liking both. Roach trains a few top mma fighters a lot of boxers are fans of the sport (Oscar, RJJ, Hatton...)

please, you don't know what you're talking about Hatton isn't a fan of that trash he was just at a MMA event in vegas when he was TRAINING there and happened to be in the same city. Oscar's not a fan either, he just sees a money opportunity there. Don't get ahead of yourself. UFC is here to stay but only at a low level like strikeforce and elite XC or whatever those small timers are, UFC is already in fast decline if you don't believe me go back to your own beloved Sherdog MMA forums where even MMA fans are discussing MMA'S peak and decline.

UFC is trash and boxing is already back on top of it (not that it was actually ever behind)

Oh and by UFC in decline I didn't mean just UFC in particular but all of MMA. How many UFC knockoffs/MMA companies failed last year? That's right there was like 2-3 that utterly collapsed because MMA isn't as popular as people are brainwashed to believe. UFC and Dana White is famous for stretching their numbers and making it sound bigger than it is but the market really isn't that big. They can't sell out arenas, they stretch numbers and lie to make it sound like it has more fans than it actually has. Dana White hides actual PPV numbers, etc, etc. When they went to Manchester Arena they sold like 12k tickets after months but it was showed as being full capacity 15k+ when in reality over 4k tickets were GIVEN AWAY FREE. Hatton alone can sell out M.E.N. arena to like 22k capacity in a single day or two.

please, you don't know what you're talking about Hatton isn't a fan of that trash he was just at a MMA event in vegas when he was TRAINING there and happened to be in the same city. Oscar's not a fan either, he just sees a money opportunity there. Don't get ahead of yourself. UFC is here to stay but only at a low level like strikeforce and elite XC or whatever those small timers are, UFC is already in fast decline if you don't believe me go back to your own beloved Sherdog MMA forums where even MMA fans are discussing MMA'S peak and decline.

UFC is trash and boxing is already back on top of it (not that it was actually ever behind)

What a troll job. MMA is not hurting boxing, or going anywhere, or even losing fans. MMA is still growing. Georges St. Pierre is in a new gatorade add, and UFC 100 is looking to be the biggest MMA event yet. Don't be threatened by the UFC. Boxing is still number 1 around the globe by FAR.

Ufc is lame, why was this posted on the boxingforum anyways? Ufc is for that crowd that enjoys that wrestling grappling crap. I can't stand grappling, or taking people down to the mat. It's better seeing two men beat the **** out of each other with their fists.

What a troll job. MMA is not hurting boxing, or going anywhere, or even losing fans. MMA is still growing. Georges St. Pierre is in a new gatorade add, and UFC 100 is looking to be the biggest MMA event yet. Don't be threatened by the UFC. Boxing is still number 1 around the globe by FAR.

as long as you admit the truth, that boxing is #1 in the world then you're ok with me.

But if you don't think UFC is declining, you're slightly wrong.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3842&zoneid=3

there's an article on the ultimate fighter show ratings decline, it's almost dragging down ****e TV ratings because no one's watching that trash anymore.


That's one example.

And I wasn't trolling before what I said was FACT. UFC fails to sell anything out and when they go to new venues around the world to put on shows the amount of tickets sold is always a huge loss and disappointment but Dana White does a good job of covering it up and skewing the numbers.

Ufc is lame, why was this posted on the boxingforum anyways? Ufc is for that crowd that enjoys that wrestling grappling crap. I can't stand grappling, or taking people down to the mat. It's better seeing two men beat the **** out of each other with their fists.

posted here because UFC had one of their "big ppv nights" last night and it was a humongous FAIL and unprecedented disappointment.

The OWNER and operator of UFC Dana White himself publically apologized last night to fans and showed his utter disgust and disapproval of his own pathetic organization.

as long as you admit the truth, that boxing is #1 in the world then you're ok with me.

But if you don't think UFC is declining, you're slightly wrong.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3842&zoneid=3

there's an article on the ultimate fighter show ratings decline, it's almost dragging down ****e TV ratings because no one's watching that trash anymore.


That's one example.

And I wasn't trolling before what I said was FACT. UFC fails to sell anything out and when they go to new venues around the world to put on shows the amount of tickets sold is always a huge loss and disappointment but Dana White does a good job of covering it up and skewing the numbers.

C'mon now, you posted the rating for season 5. It's on season 8 now, and the season premiere got the highest rating of any season. As a boxing and mma fan, I can honestly say that show is trash though.

MMA summed up: Wrestling on the ground in the most homoerotic way possible.

i honeslty agree that UFC is declining...i am a fan of it...but the trend that im seeing is that most fans of mma dont understand that its not all about the knockout or submission...sure its the most exciting part of watching it...but its not completely all about that...perferct example is Lyota Machida..IMO he is the smartest mma fighter out there...in and out with his strikes and wins by points in his fights...conservative he is...techinical yes...exciting not so much...until the fans(most) realize that there is others ways of winning besides knockout or submission than UFC/MMA will be in decline...

also other than GSP...there really isnt anyone IMO opinion that can capture an audience like Liddell or Couture...even if Silva and GSP were ever come to life...then what?...rematch?..then what?..most of the young talent do not really have that "it" factor...the door in MMA revolves too quickly now and will probably never have a bonafide money making ppv superstar like in the past...there are no real mainstays...they will push and push for one...but i dont see it ever being big like it once was...

hope im wrong...just my 2 cents

when UFC goes to O2 arena in England they commonly do 12,000 or so tickets, Haye-Maccarinelli alone did 20,000+ at O2.

Same goes for Mandalay Bay they do like 8,000-9,000 tickets sold if not less and give away another thousand or two

i honeslty agree that UFC is declining...i am a fan of it...but the trend that im seeing is that most fans of mma dont understand that its not all about the knockout or submission...sure its the most exciting part of watching it...but its not completely all about that...perferct example is Lyota Machida..IMO he is the smartest mma fighter out there...in and out with his strikes and wins by points in his fights...conservative he is...techinical yes...exciting not so much...until the fans(most) realize that there is others ways of winning besides knockout or submission than UFC/MMA will be in decline...

also other than GSP...there really isnt anyone IMO opinion that can capture an audience like Liddell or Couture...even if Silva and GSP were ever come to life...then what?...rematch?..then what?..most of the young talent do not really have that "it" factor...the door in MMA revolves too quickly now and will probably never have a bonafide money making ppv superstar like in the past...there are no real mainstays...they will push and push for one...but i dont see it ever being big like it once was...

hope im wrong...just my 2 cents


Exactly, the problem is all the 'stars' of mma are currently fading.

Anderson Silva who is currently the p4p #1 star in UFC already said last year he's going to fight only a couple more fights and he's leaving, Couture and Liddell are obviously done at the high level so there's no more star quality, all they have is Brock Lesnar who's just another flash in the pan Kimbo Slice and will disappear right after he gets his first loss which could be in his next fight, whenever that is.

You're right, Dana White targeted UFC so heavily into that gen-x, Girls Gone Wild, Jerry Springer crowd that all they know and all they want to see is brutal knockouts and fast paced fights because that's all that UFC is being marketed towards is the gore and supposed "brutality" of it when in reality everyone knows that boxing is the far more dangerous sport.

To this day the TOP UFC stars get paid 100k per fight at the most and 2ndary stars in a show will get as much as 30,000 per fight and even in a PPV the lowest tier guys get paid 2,000 and such per fight, it's a travesty and a joke.

UFC will never be completely successful IMO. It will always be second to boxing and IMO it's too geared towards Americans. It will never be popular outside of US I don't think. Most people in the UK see it as a WWE type sport lol..

UFC will never be completely successful IMO. It will always be second to boxing and IMO it's too geared towards Americans. It will never be popular outside of US I don't think. Most people in the UK see it as a WWE type sport lol..

yea, that's the problem is a lot of people (once again skewed numbers and false/misleading advertising on UFC's part) claim that mma/ufc is big in other countries or bigger than u.s. etc but there's only what's called SMALL NICHE MARKETS. Yes there's a niche market in brazil for mma, yes there's a small niche market in other small countries but UFC which is obviously the face of MMA since it swallowed up Pride, is only an American staple and doesn't sell any tickets and doesn't get any PPV buys anywhere else in the world. When they do a foreign show their average PPV rate is around 200-300k, if you don't believe me just go on wikipedia look up all their PPV's, their average buy rate is like 250k, only a few of their biggest shows involving things like WWE crossovers like Brock Lesnar where they have the WWE wrestling PPV demographic did they do 1 million PPV buys, the average is mediocre 250-300k.

1 bad show and MMA is on the decline, boxing has had hundreds of bad shows and it's still here.

1 bad show and MMA is on the decline, boxing has had hundreds of bad shows and it's still here.

1st. of all UFC is the face of MMA. After they bought Pride UFC is the end all be all of MMA right now.

2. UFC is ONE corporation that means YES a bad show from them affects ALL of UFC on the whole much more than one crappy boxing card somewhere in Thailand will affect the rest of boxing since boxing is a disparate amalgamation of noncongruous organizations

3. This is NOT the first or only "bad show", in fact this is the 2nd time in less than a year that Dana White has had to make a public apology for the appalling and embarrassing quality of a UFC card.

1st. of all UFC is the face of MMA. After they bought Pride UFC is the end all be all of MMA right now.

2. UFC is ONE corporation that means YES a bad show from them affects ALL of UFC on the whole much more than one crappy boxing card somewhere in Thailand will affect the rest of boxing since boxing is a disparate amalgamation of noncongruous organizations

3. This is NOT the first or only "bad show", in fact this is the 2nd time in less than a year that Dana White has had to make a public apology for the appalling and embarrassing quality of a UFC card.

Mayweather-De La Hoya was a disappointment to ALL casual boxing fans.

1st. of all UFC is the face of MMA. After they bought Pride UFC is the end all be all of MMA right now.

2. UFC is ONE corporation that means YES a bad show from them affects ALL of UFC on the whole much more than one crappy boxing card somewhere in Thailand will affect the rest of boxing since boxing is a disparate amalgamation of noncongruous organizations

3. This is NOT the first or only "bad show", in fact this is the 2nd time in less than a year that Dana White has had to make a public apology for the appalling and embarrassing quality of a UFC card.

Boxing has had a lot, I mean a lot of bad boxing shows on the big stage. I'm not a big MMA or UFC fan but there's really no point in saying MMA is in the decline because of a bad show because everything and everyone have bad nights, the UFC and MMA are no different, it's not like they didn't have any bad shows in 2006 or 2007, they overcame it, they wouldn't be where they are today without overcoming it. I think UFC 100 is already sold out, as long as they put on a good show there, this show will be forgotten.

Again, I'm not a big UFC or MMA fan but I respect them.

mixed martial arts is good but not ufc...

ufc is a fad, been saying this all along

Mayweather-De La Hoya was a disappointment to ALL casual boxing fans.

wrong. every single person that I work with who ordered the fight said it was awesome and loved it. I ordered it with 10 other casual fans (we all chipped in and had a ppv party) and every single one of them loved it. Stop making **** up.

Boxing has had a lot, I mean a lot of bad boxing shows on the big stage. I'm not a big MMA or UFC fan but there's really no point in saying MMA is in the decline because of a bad show because everything and everyone have bad nights, the UFC and MMA are no different, it's not like they didn't have any bad shows in 2006 or 2007, they overcame it, they wouldn't be where they are today without overcoming it. I think UFC 100 is already sold out, as long as they put on a good show there, this show will be forgotten.

Again, I'm not a big UFC or MMA fan but I respect them.

see my other comments previously regarding what you said at first.


2. UFC 100 is once again using the drawing power of Brock Lesnar who is bringing in the huge WWE PPV crowd (I know several WWE fans that order his UFC PPV's). This is nothing new or surprising. Big deal it took a few days or a week for UFC 100 to sell out 12k tickets or something like that.

Klitschko Gomez just sold out 30,000 in ONE day. UFC has absolutely ZERO on boxing, UFC is a declining sorry fad.

Why is Chuck just sent out to get KOed by everyone now? **** is getting sad.

Because it's the UFC, there are no easy opponents. If that was boxing Chuck would probably be an ATG like similar (but lower) talent, Calzaghe or Marciano which are the same thing.
You cannot pick your fights, so ****ing sweet! Yeah sad to see Chuck go out like that but eventually it needs to happen as there are no easy fights. Never. Unless you are Fedor and play in a league you can indeed promote the fights you want to fight. In all fairness Chuck doesn't want easy fights either so...

Because it's the UFC, there are no easy opponents. If that was boxing Chuck would probably be an ATG like similar (but lower) talent, Calzaghe or Marciano which are the same thing.

you were right in only the first thing you said: Because it's the UFC and Chuck just like the rest of UFC "talent" (lack thereof) has NO actual skill and they all get KO'd constantly by jabs.

UFC is a joke and 99% of them have absolutely no skill in anything.

see my other comments previously regarding what you said at first.


2. UFC 100 is once again using the drawing power of Brock Lesnar who is bringing in the huge WWE PPV crowd (I know several WWE fans that order his UFC PPV's). This is nothing new or surprising. Big deal it took a few days or a week for UFC 100 to sell out 12k tickets or something like that.

Klitschko Gomez just sold out 30,000 in ONE day. UFC has absolutely ZERO on boxing, UFC is a declining sorry fad.

You mean Klitschko-Haye? Sure it sold 30k in one day, the fight was made in the right place, in Europe and more precisely in Germany where Klitschko is huge and where Haye is well known, it wouldn't do 30k in the US.

12k is still very impressive to sell out in this economy in Vegas, Winky-Williams did about 5k and most of those tickets were given away. I'm pretty sure boxing hasn't done 12k in Vegas in quite a while, maybe since Hatton-Mayweather or something.

I can't believe I'm defending the UFC and MMA here.

You mean Klitschko-Haye? Sure it sold 30k in one day, the fight was made in the right place, in Europe and more precisely in Germany where Klitschko is huge and where Haye is well known, it wouldn't do 30k in the US.

12k is still very impressive to sell out in this economy in Vegas, Winky-Williams did about 5k and most of those tickets were given away. I'm pretty sure boxing hasn't done 12k in Vegas in quite a while, maybe since Hatton-Mayweather or something.

I can't believe I'm defending the UFC and MMA here.

yea 12k with brock lesnar, the typical MMA show in las vegas does what the Paul Williams (unknown guy) did. About 6-7k sold tickets with another thousand or two given away.

Yes Klitschko Haye did 30k but who cares if it's in Europe this argument is about that UFC is bigger than boxing in the U.S. because boxing has already proved it's bigger in both the u.s. AND europe, the point is that boxing owns the UFC EVERYWHERE, on any continent of the world.


You claim 30k sellout is attributed to the fact that it's Klitschko AND the drawing power of Haye but how about Klitschko Gomez which had 11 million viewers and was broadcast in over 60 countries? Is Gomez a bigger draw than all of UFC combined as well? LOL!

Please, UFC is kid's toys compared to boxing. They don't have boxing's numbers and they don't have boxing's fan base. But most importantly they don't have boxing's skill level nor entertainment factor.

UFC lost many fans tonight.


Another big time UFC Flop that sports pundits and newscasters are calling a "bizarre" night once again with UFC's #1 p4p top dog and 'face of UFC' fighting, Anderson the spider Silva fought what is called a 'bizarre' and boring uneventful fight where he spent 5 rounds doing absolutely nothing and "punching at the opponents feet", just dancing around the ring and taunting his opponents.
Chuck Liddell also got KTFO and owned with 1 weak shot.

Some RbR quotes:

"Three minutes in, barely three strikes have been attempted in total."

"In round three, Leites is tiring -- he misses a takedown. Silva pokes him in the eye, but Leites regains composure while on the ground. Leites begins flopping to the mat, but Silva doesn’t bite. Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg begin discussing hockey. This one is for Anderson purists only."

"Round four: Silva accelerates uses of a push kick that lands solidly against Leites’ knee and thigh. Leites tries to get it down, but he’s simply too tired to outhustle Silva. Silva attempts a punch to Leites’ foot. Despite having a near-stationary target in front of him, Silva refuses to put together an offense. An absolutely bizarre performance."


"Round five: Leites lands a last-ditch single, but he can’t maintain control and Silva winds up on top, delivering punches. The crowd chants profanities. Leites is trying, but his gas tank won’t do him any favors."


Even UFC fans are tired of this trash. UFC is in fast decline and is losing a lot of steam/fans.

UFC has no real fans, because it's not a sport, and therefore cannot be followed. Chuck liddel get's knocked out every fight by some random punch, and he's the UFC's Oscar De La Hoya. Whats the point in being a fan.

UFC has no real fans, because it's not a sport, and therefore cannot be followed. Chuck liddel get's knocked out every fight by some random punch, and he's the UFC's Oscar De La Hoya. Whats the point in being a fan.

:rofl: :lol1:

exactly

yea 12k with brock lesnar, the typical MMA show in las vegas does what the Paul Williams (unknown guy) did. About 6-7k sold tickets with another thousand or two given away.

Yes Klitschko Haye did 30k but who cares if it's in Europe this argument is about that UFC is bigger than boxing in the U.S. because boxing has already proved it's bigger in both the u.s. AND europe, the point is that boxing owns the UFC EVERYWHERE, on any continent of the world.


You claim 30k sellout is attributed to the fact that it's Klitschko AND the drawing power of Haye but how about Klitschko Gomez which had 11 million viewers and was broadcast in over 60 countries? Is Gomez a bigger draw than all of UFC combined as well? LOL!

Please, UFC is kid's toys compared to boxing. They don't have boxing's numbers and they don't have boxing's fan base. But most importantly they don't have boxing's skill level nor entertainment factor.

Just to set it straight, Williams-Wright did about 2k in ticket sales, which was horrible.

As I said the Klitschkos are huge in Europe, especially Vitali because of the way he fights compared to Wlad. Gomez is known in Germany and Europe because he fights out of there under Arena Box I believe. The numbers they did were phenomenal and great for boxing.

Anyways, I'm tired of defending the UFC on a boxing forum. All I can really say is that you don't seem to like the UFC very much and seem to want to bury them into the ground for some reason, the two sports should be able to co-exist. You're entitled to your opinion. But I'm done with this.

please, you don't know what you're talking about Hatton isn't a fan of that trash he was just at a MMA event in vegas when he was TRAINING there and happened to be in the same city. Oscar's not a fan either, he just sees a money opportunity there. Don't get ahead of yourself. UFC is here to stay but only at a low level like strikeforce and elite XC or whatever those small timers are, UFC is already in fast decline if you don't believe me go back to your own beloved Sherdog MMA forums where even MMA fans are discussing MMA'S peak and decline.

UFC is trash and boxing is already back on top of it (not that it was actually ever behind)



If UFC is "trash" dont bother posting about it.

Just to set it straight, Williams-Wright did about 2k in ticket sales, which was horrible.

As I said the Klitschkos are huge in Europe, especially Vitali because of the way he fights compared to Wlad. Gomez is known in Germany and Europe because he fights out of there under Arena Box I believe. The numbers they did were phenomenal and great for boxing.

Anyways, I'm tired of defending the UFC on a boxing forum. All I can really say is that you don't seem to like the UFC very much and seem to want to bury them into the ground for some reason, the two sports should be able to co-exist. You're entitled to your opinion. But I'm done with this.


:peeright: UFC

If UFC is "trash" dont bother posting about it.

as a boxing fan it's my loyal duty and obligation to occasionally keep my fellow fan abreast of UFC's demise. Aren't you happy to know?

As of now it seems like the WWE and has this underlining "joke" feeling to it. It's only teenagers that think these UFC fighters are so great, I mean come on..Forrest Griffin?? he looks like a street bum. They are telling me he's better than an olympic athlete? Brock Lesnar, a roided Wrestler, is a world class "super" athlete? give me a break.

As of now it seems like the WWE and has this underlining "joke" feeling to it. It's only teenagers that think these UFC fighters are so great, I mean come on..Forrest Griffin?? he looks like a street bum. They are telling me he's better than an olympic athlete? Brock Lesnar, a roided Wrestler, is a world class "super" athlete? give me a break.

yep exactly. They're all trash and has no legitimacy. Most of these guys aren't even athletes just roided up ex high school wrestlers getting paid $5,000 per fight what a joke.

It was the worst sporting event i have ever seen in my life by far

UFC lost many fans tonight.


Another big time UFC Flop that sports pundits and newscasters are calling a "bizarre" night once again with UFC's #1 p4p top dog and 'face of UFC' fighting, Anderson the spider Silva fought what is called a 'bizarre' and boring uneventful fight where he spent 5 rounds doing absolutely nothing and "punching at the opponents feet", just dancing around the ring and taunting his opponents.
Chuck Liddell also got KTFO and owned with 1 weak shot.

Some RbR quotes:

"Three minutes in, barely three strikes have been attempted in total."

"In round three, Leites is tiring -- he misses a takedown. Silva pokes him in the eye, but Leites regains composure while on the ground. Leites begins flopping to the mat, but Silva doesn’t bite. Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg begin discussing hockey. This one is for Anderson purists only."

"Round four: Silva accelerates uses of a push kick that lands solidly against Leites’ knee and thigh. Leites tries to get it down, but he’s simply too tired to outhustle Silva. Silva attempts a punch to Leites’ foot. Despite having a near-stationary target in front of him, Silva refuses to put together an offense. An absolutely bizarre performance."


"Round five: Leites lands a last-ditch single, but he can’t maintain control and Silva winds up on top, delivering punches. The crowd chants profanities. Leites is trying, but his gas tank won’t do him any favors."


Even UFC fans are tired of this trash. UFC is in fast decline and is losing a lot of steam/fans.
Love your threads man... You talk a lot a sense (no nuthugger)
This is the reason Buffers brother does the announcements lol
Two blokes rolling around on the floor infront of a televised audience is even more embarrassing than when it happens in the pub!
UFC simply don't have enough superstars within it's ctiteria to wet the taste buds..
There's an ATG every other month in the time it takes to boil an egg..
The argument rages on about these fighters owning boxer's
My guess is that a good boxer lasts a bit longer in their ring than what a ground hugger lasts at Madison square Garden for example..
Not surprised Chuck Liddell got owned.. He was finished after 15 fights just like 90% of the others
Viva la boxing every time for me.. The only time I like to watch UFC is when they stand up & trade ie about 2 in 10 fights
Sorry, but my survey says, A huge raspberry!

You guys need to stop fighting. Why bring MMA down? Its entertaining to some people, so is boxing.. some dont like MMA and some dont like boxing. Very simple, no need to bring down and say negative stuff about the sport.

Sure the event tonight was devastating and a compelte embarassment but it happens too you know, even in boxing! Valuev is ****, his fights are boring. So are the Klits brothers and some other boring boxers. Heck even PBF is boring and he was #1 p4p boxer. But it is what it is! Just like in MMA.

You cant expect Silva to come out blazing and knock people out in all his fights. Maybe he wasnt that motivated tonight because of the weak competition the UFC is handing him or he just didnt want to hurt his fellow Brazilian that much.

UFC and boxing are both entertaining, so stop the hate.

I went to a sportsbar to watch the Rockets-Blazers game and they charged me $5 as a cover fee since they were showing the UFC fight.. I didn't even want to watch it, but I had to pay anyway..

While I was there some people were mad since i took the bigger screen to watch the nba game instead of watching that ufc crap. I told them that i enjoyed boxing better and they let me have it.. they talked about how real mma was and all that...

Well after the card had played out, they were kinda quiet.. It was HORRIBLE... most of them fight standing up thrtowing wide ass punches.. A boxer would KO fighting like that.. then the main attraction this guy kept getting on his back with his legs up.. **** my wife does lol!!

Any ways last night is a reason I don't pay attention to MMA, however they say that Silva wants to box ROy.. I wanna see that happen cuz even as shot as Roy is he'd KO that dude

UFC lost many fans tonight.


Another big time UFC Flop that sports pundits and newscasters are calling a "bizarre" night once again with UFC's #1 p4p top dog and 'face of UFC' fighting, Anderson the spider Silva fought what is called a 'bizarre' and boring uneventful fight where he spent 5 rounds doing absolutely nothing and "punching at the opponents feet", just dancing around the ring and taunting his opponents.
Chuck Liddell also got KTFO and owned with 1 weak shot.

Some RbR quotes:

"Three minutes in, barely three strikes have been attempted in total."

"In round three, Leites is tiring -- he misses a takedown. Silva pokes him in the eye, but Leites regains composure while on the ground. Leites begins flopping to the mat, but Silva doesn’t bite. Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg begin discussing hockey. This one is for Anderson purists only."

"Round four: Silva accelerates uses of a push kick that lands solidly against Leites’ knee and thigh. Leites tries to get it down, but he’s simply too tired to outhustle Silva. Silva attempts a punch to Leites’ foot. Despite having a near-stationary target in front of him, Silva refuses to put together an offense. An absolutely bizarre performance."


"Round five: Leites lands a last-ditch single, but he can’t maintain control and Silva winds up on top, delivering punches. The crowd chants profanities. Leites is trying, but his gas tank won’t do him any favors."


Even UFC fans are tired of this trash. UFC is in fast decline and is losing a lot of steam/fans.

LOL so because the Main Event was a snoozer because Leitas didn't want to fight and now UFC is on the decline? LOL good call Aguado

It was the challenger who didn't want to fight. Silva did his best. Everytime Silva was getting to him you know what the bastard did? DROPPED TO THE FKING GROUND. YEAH JUST LIKE THAT. Silva still p4p #1 and the best to ever do it :bottle::bottle::bottle:

I watch both UFC and boxing and can tell you that i understand the technical aspect of both sides. I enjoy the skill and smarts a fighter bring to the table over a couple of punching bags trying to see who goes down first.

I find it ridiculous that the media and fans would bad mouth a fighter of the class of Anderson Silva. The guy is counter puncher with the best hit percentage in UFC history....he is the ****in Mayweather of UFC. By far the best skilled fighter to enter the octagon. Its the idiots that don't understand skill and technique over brute force that give MMA a bad name....heck, its usually these types that try to give Mayweather a bad name too.

Its unfortunate that his opponent last night made for a boring fight but Silva did all he could with a guy who would not engage what so ever and did it smartly. He pot shotted him all night and all his opponent did was jump on his back every time he felt pressured by Silva.

For the record though, i still place boxing as number one on my list. Nothing tops its.

Liddell shoulda retired after that last knockout which was devastating.. his health is gonna become an issue.. Maybe cuz Dana White doesnt pay these guys thier fair shake?

UFC just isnt for me! :boxing:

Victory for boxing. You guys ever hear the fans booing at the bell centre when boxing is on? They love Lucian Bute and he gives the fans what they want. Even Bradley-Holt. They were not canadian and the fans were still entertained in Canada.

I watch both UFC and boxing and can tell you that i understand the technical aspect of both sides. I enjoy the skill and smarts a fighter bring to the table over a couple of punching bags trying to see who goes down first.

I find it ridiculous that the media and fans would bad mouth a fighter of the class of Anderson Silva. The guy is counter puncher with the best hit percentage in UFC history....he is the ****in Mayweather of UFC. By far the best skilled fighter to enter the octagon. Its the idiots that don't understand skill and technique over brute force that give MMA a bad name....heck, its usually these types that try to give Mayweather a bad name too.

Its unfortunate that his opponent last night made for a boring fight but Silva did all he could with a guy who would not engage what so ever and did it smartly. He pot shotted him all night and all his opponent did was jump on his back every time he felt pressured by Silva.

For the record though, i still place boxing as number one on my list. Nothing tops its.
Fair play.. I appreciate Silva to.. Have 1or2 friends that compete in the Octagon..
Troy Waugh (one of the refs) is a good mate of mine..

There's more to learn than boxing, but Jujitsu's just so boring to watch...

the silva fight sux so bad

it is a 5 mins round and they barely threw any punches

This thread just proves one point boxing fans are afraid of the UFC or else you wouldn't post anything because it wouldn't matter.

Ufc like Mayweather Jr is a big deal to boxing fans and the "psychology" of this thread proves it.

Frightened people will do anything not to be frightened like lie or try to make themselves feel better by making an unsupported claims.

It happens in boxing too. Wlad/Ibragomav anybody? At least White was embarrassed by it, and will do something to change it. We need promoters to feel the same way.

Anyway I told a hardcore MMA fan that usually when guys get ktfo out like Lidell has the last couple of times, their chin turns to soft tissue. He assured me that Shogun was going to lose, so I decided against throwing a few down on him.

That *******, I was right. Lidell was a 3-1 favorite too.

After Lesnar KO Cotoure, I stopped watching MMA...

How the hell does Floyd get dissed by MMA fans and even boxing fans,Silva is meant to be there p4p #1,Mayweathers fight against Baldomir was more exciting then Silvas last two fights,people underrate Floyd sometimes,the guys been in some sick fights

It happens in boxing too. Wlad/Ibragomav anybody? At least White was embarrassed by it, and will do something to change it. We need promoters to feel the same way.

Anyway I told a hardcore MMA fan that usually when guys get ktfo out like Lidell has the last couple of times, their chin turns to soft tissue. He assured me that Shogun was going to lose, so I decided against throwing a few down on him.

That *******, I was right. Lidell was a 3-1 favorite too.

The Wlad/Ibra fight was actually better then last nights fight,Silvas opponent kept falling on the floor and cowaring up,like he was trying to fix the fight

When a crowed chants 'BULL****T' for so many rounds,u know its a terrible fight,the worst fight ive possibly ever seen,id rather watch Dirrell-Stevens again

Don't hate on mma. All combat sports are good. So what. Silva had a boring, yet dominating performance. Sounds a lot like a certain pretty boy that gets worshiped on this site by quite a few people.

The thing is, he did the exact same thing in his last fight.

Silva is afraid to lose and won't take any risks anymore.

It was a total mismatch between Thales and Silva. I was dissappointed at the boos because Silva completely intimidated ,outsmarted, and outclassed Thales. What can you do if a guy doesnt want any part of you in the ring?

The problem with UFC is that it has too many "casual Fans" who dont appreciate MMA for the Sport it is and just want to see someone get destroyed to the point of brutal KO.

It was the challenger who didn't want to fight. Silva did his best. Everytime Silva was getting to him you know what the bastard did? DROPPED TO THE FKING GROUND. YEAH JUST LIKE THAT. Silva still p4p #1 and the best to ever do it :bottle::bottle::bottle:

Even your own commentators where saying if Silva wanted he could end the fight,they where so dissapointed,they said Silva can push harder to end this fight,instead,rounds 4 and 5,Silva was dancing ??? DANCING??! and when he landed a hard punch,he would run back and just stand there,the crowed booed,he didnt push the fight,if your p4p#1.and your in with a fighter who doesnt want it anymore,u knock him out,not dance,end off

It definitely was a bad day for MMA.

Dana white is the biggest wanna be tough guy on the planet. I wish he didn't pay tito to back out of that fight so we could see him get KTFO even though a girl scout could do it. Now I know why those 12 guys took turns tooling on him in southie. I just wish I could have been a part of it.

Indeed UFC and all of mma is ****.

The only respectable thing about it is FEDOR. The lad is great. Once his reign is over mma is over as well.

that thing was a snooze fest...theres no personality to these guys... the action is sloppy...long winded...most of these guys look like they just came from the gym weightlifting...but doing nothing else... liddelll an A-1 star gets kd from a weak ass punch...and anderson silva fought some herb who just fell on his back everytime he went in..wtf was that..horrible event

ufc-ultimate floor cuddling

**** UFC but in all honesty boxing has its stinkers too.
bernard hopkins, floyd mayweather, wlad klit to name a few.

:gives: **** UFC. :boxing: Shouldn't this be in the MMA forum anyway?
agreed...............

styles make fights... why would the UFC put Silva in against a wuss like leites. That guy fell on the floor by himself...

UFC lost many fans tonight.


Another big time UFC Flop that sports pundits and newscasters are calling a "bizarre" night once again with UFC's #1 p4p top dog and 'face of UFC' fighting, Anderson the spider Silva fought what is called a 'bizarre' and boring uneventful fight where he spent 5 rounds doing absolutely nothing and "punching at the opponents feet", just dancing around the ring and taunting his opponents.
Chuck Liddell also got KTFO and owned with 1 weak shot.

Some RbR quotes:

"Three minutes in, barely three strikes have been attempted in total."

"In round three, Leites is tiring -- he misses a takedown. Silva pokes him in the eye, but Leites regains composure while on the ground. Leites begins flopping to the mat, but Silva doesn’t bite. Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg begin discussing hockey. This one is for Anderson purists only."

"Round four: Silva accelerates uses of a push kick that lands solidly against Leites’ knee and thigh. Leites tries to get it down, but he’s simply too tired to outhustle Silva. Silva attempts a punch to Leites’ foot. Despite having a near-stationary target in front of him, Silva refuses to put together an offense. An absolutely bizarre performance."


"Round five: Leites lands a last-ditch single, but he can’t maintain control and Silva winds up on top, delivering punches. The crowd chants profanities. Leites is trying, but his gas tank won’t do him any favors."


Even UFC fans are tired of this trash. UFC is in fast decline and is losing a lot of steam/fans.

only the last fight was booed. the rest of the card was really entertaining. the rua-liddell fight(as short as it was) was a really good fight.

Silva has this thing where he wants to fight a "perfect" fight which means that he doesn't want to get hit even once and he wants to land 100% of his punches and kicks. That makes for a very boring fight depending on his opponent.

bah ha ha ha.
pure trash! auh ha ha ha!
this wrestling sht.
you and the tyson and rocky balboa kids should take your thumb out of your ass and put it back in your mouth!
Auh ha ha ha ha!

" UFC in Decline!"


Good. Come back to boxing, people. Despite the mobsters corrupting it, it's a far better sport.

Yeeaaah. The main event was pretty much a bust. Leites choked. He relied too much on his grappling and didn't do **** all about setting up takedowns. Silva did his usual routine. He feels out in the first and engages the rest. But how can you feel out someone when they don't do **** at all? And then when you try to engage, they drop and hope to god you're an idiot to fall for it.

What the thread starter fails to understand though is that in MMA, the card has more value then the main event. Fans knew that Silva/Leites was a bust. The 185 is the weakest division in the UFC. What the fans tuned in for was all the other fights. Sure, the televised part of the card was OK, the card in of itself did pretty well.

But yeah, the main sucked.

Why so much hate though, man? Martial Artists need love too.

I like mma, but I have to agree its pretty awful right now.

A WWE Wrestler is their main man at Heavyweight(for the UFC), their LHW champ is Forrest ****ing Griffin(who is average in all regards and little more than a street brawler in his standup), and their two other top guys(St. Pierre and Anderson Silva) are winning in boring fashions.

mma standup is way, way behind boxing in terms of skill, so their fights need to be action packed or have a very good ground game to be at all entertaining.

Yeeaaah. The main event was pretty much a bust. Leites choked. He relied too much on his grappling and didn't do **** all about setting up takedowns. Silva did his usual routine. He feels out in the first and engages the rest. But how can you feel out someone when they don't do **** at all? And then when you try to engage, they drop and hope to god you're an idiot to fall for it.

What the thread starter fails to understand though is that in MMA, the card has more value then the main event. Fans knew that Silva/Leites was a bust. The 185 is the weakest division in the UFC. What the fans tuned in for was all the other fights. Sure, the televised part of the card was OK, the card in of itself did pretty well.

But yeah, the main sucked.

Why so much hate though, man? Martial Artists need love too.

Because they need all the attention they can get to get people back on the boxing bandwagon. So any little mishap that may go on they jump on it like its the be all end all of the sport. It's basically mentally challenged invalids who need a dick in their mouth because they open it enough which means they're probably just a ****sucker in disguise.

MMA isn't just about standup as is real fighting. Boxing fans who think that boxers can beat anyone are surely retarded. It's like putting a boxer in a Sikaran match where the rules consists of kicks only. No punches allowed. Boxing fans really think that their guy can win? BTW the champ is Rashad Evans not Griffin.

The problem with MMA is the fans want a big Ko or sub every fight, I agree the fight was atrocious last night but it's pretty pathetic when after 30 seconds the fans start to boo. The UFC is reaping what they sow, they market MMA/UFC so "Extreme!!!" "Not like boring Boxing" That's the reason the UFC shouldn't be considered a sport, it's not about winning or hitting without getting hit but about knocking someone out or getting knocked out or subbed.

I like mma, but I have to agree its pretty awful right now.

A WWE Wrestler is their main man at Heavyweight(for the UFC), their LHW champ is Forrest ****ing Griffin(who is average in all regards and little more than a street brawler in his standup), and their two other top guys(St. Pierre and Anderson Silva) are winning in boring fashions.

mma standup is way, way behind boxing in terms of skill, so their fights need to be action packed or have a very good ground game to be at all entertaining.

Brock Lesnar is an outstanding athlete, Griffin isn't champion but is highly skilled and has the heart of a lion, Silva is a phenom and I haven't seen a dull GSP fight in years.

Looooooooooooooooooooooooool.

This must surely make Boxing better than MMA, right? This one fight?

You boxing nuthuggers are hilarious.

Even your own commentators where saying if Silva wanted he could end the fight,they where so dissapointed,they said Silva can push harder to end this fight,instead,rounds 4 and 5,Silva was dancing ??? DANCING??! and when he landed a hard punch,he would run back and just stand there,the crowed booed,he didnt push the fight,if your p4p#1.and your in with a fighter who doesnt want it anymore,u knock him out,not dance,end off

Well it was like a fighting a boxer who was good at defending and bodyshots doing nothing but those two things the whole match and all the body punches successfully defended. The other boxer is ready to fight. He's ready to go. But all numbnuts is doing is defending and firing off the occasional bodyshot.

Could Silva have won one on the ground? Maybe. Leites had the better training camp for grappling. Silva didn't want to risk it. That doesn't give Leites the right to flop around like a fish. If he wanted Silva on the ground he should have done better set ups for his takedowns.

This is also a good reason the ACs should adopt yellow cards. Having a cut in pay and loss of a point would curb inactivity in a flash. I doubt it'll happen though.

I like mma, but I have to agree its pretty awful right now.

A WWE Wrestler is their main man at Heavyweight(for the UFC), their LHW champ is Forrest ****ing Griffin(who is average in all regards and little more than a street brawler in his standup), and their two other top guys(St. Pierre and Anderson Silva) are winning in boring fashions.

mma standup is way, way behind boxing in terms of skill, so their fights need to be action packed or have a very good ground game to be at all entertaining.

Rashad Evans is LHW champ. He thumped Forrest good.

griffin aint champ anymore what you talkin bout?

He fought Rashad, and Rashad pounded him out.

yeah that was a garbage main event

Don't hate on mma. All combat sports are good. So what. Silva had a boring, yet dominating performance. Sounds a lot like a certain pretty boy that gets worshiped on this site by quite a few people.

UFC is gay. MMA is not. THere is a difference.

UFC = ultimate sloppy toughman kickboxing

Rashad Evans is LHW champ. He thumped Forrest good.
oops, I apologize, I forgot about that.

it was slightly embarressing that Griffin was the champ for a while.

Not another mma vrs boxing thread, i cant be arsed reading through all that, but UFC is here to stay, theirs plenty support for it in scotland and the uk as a whole. its getting bigger all the time.

UFC is a fad eventually it will become some underground thing that very few care about. They were saying Silva has an MMA record of 9 straight wins.LOL. That's a record 9 straight wins? I didn't see this crap of course but from what I heard it was a terrible show. UFC/MMA eventually like BellBottoms,Disco,New Kids On The Block,Tommy Hillfigger will wear off and fade into obscurity!

Yeeaaah. The main event was pretty much a bust. Leites choked. He relied too much on his grappling and didn't do **** all about setting up takedowns. Silva did his usual routine. He feels out in the first and engages the rest. But how can you feel out someone when they don't do **** at all? And then when you try to engage, they drop and hope to god you're an idiot to fall for it.

What the thread starter fails to understand though is that in MMA, the card has more value then the main event. Fans knew that Silva/Leites was a bust. The 185 is the weakest division in the UFC. What the fans tuned in for was all the other fights. Sure, the televised part of the card was OK, the card in of itself did pretty well.

But yeah, the main sucked.

Why so much hate though, man? Martial Artists need love too.

Those guys aren't martial artists Their bar fighting wrestlers who kick sometimes. Martial artists don't wrestle like ****.

I think UFC has already raised the bar on MMA up so high that it seems every fight HAS to be action packed. In boxing it goes both ways, either u beat ur opponent with sweet science or u go to war. Either way u slice it u have all kinds of fans of boxing that accepts whatever style. I'm one of them. I enjoy the tactical/technician as much as I enjoy a brawler.

UFC is a fad eventually it will become some underground thing that very few care about. They were saying Silva has an MMA record of 9 straight wins.LOL. That's a record 9 straight wins? I didn't see this crap of course but from what I heard it was a terrible show. UFC/MMA eventually like BellBottoms,Disco,New Kids On The Block,Tommy Hillfigger will wear off and fade into obscurity!

If you dislike it so much why not piss off and talk about something you actually enjoy.

You are not a true MMA fan and that's it. It's easy to point the finger when your not in the ring. I remember RJJ was dominating everybody and people said he wasn't fighting anybody. I remember Tyson K.Oing everybody in the first round and everybody would be mad that they paid for the fight. Pretty Boy Floyd put on some beautiful clinics and all you do is hate on him because there are still boxers who he hasn't fought.

All I'm saying is, if you can't enjoy the chess game that takes plae in the ring or the octagon then you are not really a fight fan. You just like to see people get hurt. Dana should only apologize for the fact that he didn't set Silva up with a more daring opponent.

And what's with all the Silva critisizm ? I didn't see you guys ripping Fedor for that ass beating Arvloski was giving him. Let's be real Fedor only won because of a lucky punch.

i thought the Shogun fight was the best on the card:boxing:

I think overall the "fad" of the UFC is wearing off. You know, the young white kids who buy Tapout products and think they are badass. But the amount true fans of mma is still growing. I don't like how the UFC presents the product. The advertisements have nothing to do with how traditional martial arts is.

UFC is a fad eventually it will become some underground thing that very few care about. They were saying Silva has an MMA record of 9 straight wins.LOL. That's a record 9 straight wins? I didn't see this crap of course but from what I heard it was a terrible show. UFC/MMA eventually like BellBottoms,Disco,New Kids On The Block,Tommy Hillfigger will wear off and fade into obscurity!

it's 9 straight title defenses . Silva is the man . The fight was more of a chessmatch that showed the ineptitude of leites's stand-up skills or anyskills at all . he had his chance at silva on the ground and almost got submitted and silva stood it up with out a problem . Silva is the champ and he is going to dictate the fight so if your going to take the belt from him , you better not try it by laying down

please, you don't know what you're talking about Hatton isn't a fan of that trash he was just at a MMA event in vegas when he was TRAINING there and happened to be in the same city. Oscar's not a fan either, he just sees a money opportunity there. Don't get ahead of yourself. UFC is here to stay but only at a low level like strikeforce and elite XC or whatever those small timers are, UFC is already in fast decline if you don't believe me go back to your own beloved Sherdog MMA forums where even MMA fans are discussing MMA'S peak and decline.

UFC is trash and boxing is already back on top of it (not that it was actually ever behind)

absolutly correct

This is a big blow for UFC. Serves them right for the trash talking.

Oh and by UFC in decline I didn't mean just UFC in particular but all of MMA. How many UFC knockoffs/MMA companies failed last year? That's right there was like 2-3 that utterly collapsed because MMA isn't as popular as people are brainwashed to believe. UFC and Dana White is famous for stretching their numbers and making it sound bigger than it is but the market really isn't that big. They can't sell out arenas, they stretch numbers and lie to make it sound like it has more fans than it actually has. Dana White hides actual PPV numbers, etc, etc. When they went to Manchester Arena they sold like 12k tickets after months but it was showed as being full capacity 15k+ when in reality over 4k tickets were GIVEN AWAY FREE. Hatton alone can sell out M.E.N. arena to like 22k capacity in a single day or two.

i saw this coming last year. i noticed alot of MMA fans losing intrest in UFC/MMA

as a boxing fan it's my loyal duty and obligation to occasionally keep my fellow fan abreast of UFC's demise. Aren't you happy to know?

i appreciated u keepin me informed on UFCs demise. keep me posted in the furture my friend

This is a big blow for UFC. Serves them right for the trash talking.

How so?

If anything 94: Penn vs. GSP was a big blow. This was a run of a mill card. Add to the fact that there's nobody in the 185 division right now that can really match up with Anderson. Damian Maia maybe, but he needs a match with either Marquart or Okami to make things happen. People still walked away with their money's worth.

Again, it's about the whole card. Not the main event.

How so?

If anything 94: Penn vs. GSP was a big blow. This was a run of a mill card. Add to the fact that there's nobody in the 185 division right now that can really match up with Anderson. Damian Maia maybe, but he needs a match with either Marquart or Okami to make things happen. People still walked away with their money's worth.

Again, it's about the whole card. Not the main event.

Haha. You do realize MOST ppl buy the ppl because of the MAIN EVENT. Right?

This is probably true in Boxing, but not in MMA.

Everyone's got their favorite, even if they're not in the main event.

This is probably true in Boxing, but not in MMA.

Everyone's got their favorite, even if they're not in the main event.

Even Yahoo had it on the main page as a disappointment. When your main event fails the whole ship fails.

Haha. You do realize MOST ppl buy the ppl because of the MAIN EVENT. Right?

Not really. MMA cards are rarely sold on the basis of one fight.

Even Yahoo had it on the main page as a disappointment. When your main event fails the whole ship fails.

That's why you have other fights grouped in little programs called "cards".

I agree that the Main event sucks. This is a fact. But you still had Hardonk/Kongo, K-So/Stann and Liddell/Shogun which were great fights on the televised portion and Bochek/Blelkelden and Prof.X/Kang taking over the prelim.

Break away from the boxing mindset to see that. It's a different philosophy with MMA.

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Seriously, gtfo of here. You're obviously threatened by, and obsessed with, how many fans the UFC has. You followed your **** thread back to the mma forum. This is getting pathetic.

The argument has no merit in the sense that it's a win for Boxing, they're not competing against one another. There have been plenty of ****ty Boxing cards as well as MMA or UFC cards. But when you start pinpointing one fight that was booed because of one fighter's inability to want to fight and all of a sudden claim a company like UFC who are making a killing both at the gates and on the merchandising side are declining? It sounds like a bit of envy in disguise.

The thread starter seems a bit uptight on the state of Boxing as if one bad night for UFC is this huge victory LOL. If Boxing is so superior then worry about Boxing. Apparently it makes no sense to follow the "decline" of a company right? LOL :fing02:

And I'm a Boxing fan first

GSP vs Silva

Because it's the UFC, there are no easy opponents. If that was boxing Chuck would probably be an ATG like similar (but lower) talent, Calzaghe or Marciano which are the same thing.
You cannot pick your fights, so ****ing sweet! Yeah sad to see Chuck go out like that but eventually it needs to happen as there are no easy fights. Never. Unless you are Fedor and play in a league you can indeed promote the fights you want to fight. In all fairness Chuck doesn't want easy fights either so...

Thats the thing, the UFC has been giving Liddell handpicked fights.

Hes just not good. Thats the problem.

Rua has looked terrible in the UFC, comes into fights out of shape and had 2 surgeries on the same knee. They feed him to Liddell, Liddell loses. Wand loses 2 fights in a row in brutal fashion, they feed him to Liddell, Jardine is a gatekeeper who has mediocre striking, Liddell loses a decision. The UFC has been trying keep the Liddell flame alive but havent been able to because the guy simply cant win fights anymore.

If you dont think there easy opponents in the UFC, you dont follow it. There are some horrible fighters that are brought into make people look good.

" UFC in Decline!"


Good. Come back to boxing, people. Despite the mobsters corrupting it, it's a far better sport.

MMA is just as corrupt if not moreso than boxing.

Yeeaaah. The main event was pretty much a bust. Leites choked. He relied too much on his grappling and didn't do **** all about setting up takedowns. Silva did his usual routine. He feels out in the first and engages the rest. But how can you feel out someone when they don't do **** at all? And then when you try to engage, they drop and hope to god you're an idiot to fall for it.

What the thread starter fails to understand though is that in MMA, the card has more value then the main event. Fans knew that Silva/Leites was a bust. The 185 is the weakest division in the UFC. What the fans tuned in for was all the other fights. Sure, the televised part of the card was OK, the card in of itself did pretty well.

But yeah, the main sucked.

Why so much hate though, man? Martial Artists need love too.

No it doesnt. Thats just beyond stupid.

Nobody paid to see Steve Cantwell and Luiz Cane nor did they pay for Kongo/Hardonk or to see Brian Stann.

They paid to see Liddell and Silva. And Liddell/Rua was hardly competitive and Liddell shouldnt even be fighting anymore and Silva/Leites was terrible. Both guys didnt come to fight. And nobody knew this fight would be a bust. Sure people might have thought it would be one-sided but nobody could have imagined that Leites would sit on his ass for 5 rounds. And Silva didnt engage at all. And dont make excuses for him.

The televised portion of the PPV was decent at best. Joe Silva needs to put on more competitive fights.

And MW is one of the UFCs best divisions. Maia, Henderson, Marquardt, Okami are all fantastic. LHW and WW are its worst divisions. LHW just has the name recognition.

yeah, the mian event wasn't too god, but oh well the rest of the fights were great so who cares

No it doesnt. Thats just beyond stupid.

Nobody paid to see Steve Cantwell and Luiz Cane nor did they pay for Kongo/Hardonk or to see Brian Stann.

They paid to see Liddell and Silva. And Liddell/Rua was hardly competitive and Liddell shouldnt even be fighting anymore and Silva/Leites was terrible. Both guys didnt come to fight. And nobody knew this fight would be a bust. Sure people might have thought it would be one-sided but nobody could have imagined that Leites would sit on his ass for 5 rounds. And Silva didnt engage at all. And dont make excuses for him.

The televised portion of the PPV was decent at best. Joe Silva needs to put on more competitive fights.

And MW is one of the UFCs best divisions. Maia, Henderson, Marquardt, Okami are all fantastic. LHW and WW are its worst divisions. LHW just has the name recognition.

what?! Koscheck, Thiago, Alves, GSP, Fitch, Swick, Yoshida, Hardy, Parisyon, Kim, Davis, Lytle, Kampmann, Condit, Johnson, Hughes, Serra, Mcrory...the UFC's welterweight division is one of the best they have and one of the best in the world...the lightweights, eh kinda agree there....you got Sherk, Penn, Florian, Griffin, Maynard...then everyone else. the heavyweights and lightweights are probably their weakest division, light heavyweights and welterweights their best, and middleweights...eh, getting better but nothing amazing really....

UFC lost many fans tonight.


Another big time UFC Flop that sports pundits and newscasters are calling a "bizarre" night once again with UFC's #1 p4p top dog and 'face of UFC' fighting, Anderson the spider Silva fought what is called a 'bizarre' and boring uneventful fight where he spent 5 rounds doing absolutely nothing and "punching at the opponents feet", just dancing around the ring and taunting his opponents.
Chuck Liddell also got KTFO and owned with 1 weak shot.

Some RbR quotes:

"Three minutes in, barely three strikes have been attempted in total."

"In round three, Leites is tiring -- he misses a takedown. Silva pokes him in the eye, but Leites regains composure while on the ground. Leites begins flopping to the mat, but Silva doesn’t bite. Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg begin discussing hockey. This one is for Anderson purists only."

"Round four: Silva accelerates uses of a push kick that lands solidly against Leites’ knee and thigh. Leites tries to get it down, but he’s simply too tired to outhustle Silva. Silva attempts a punch to Leites’ foot. Despite having a near-stationary target in front of him, Silva refuses to put together an offense. An absolutely bizarre performance."


"Round five: Leites lands a last-ditch single, but he can’t maintain control and Silva winds up on top, delivering punches. The crowd chants profanities. Leites is trying, but his gas tank won’t do him any favors."


Even UFC fans are tired of this trash. UFC is in fast decline and is losing a lot of steam/fans.

Those quotes are hilarious. The funniest ones are "This one is for Anderson purists only."
and " An absolutely bizarre performance"

what?! Koscheck, Thiago, Alves, GSP, Fitch, Swick, Yoshida, Hardy, Parisyon, Kim, Davis, Lytle, Kampmann, Condit, Johnson, Hughes, Serra, Mcrory...the UFC's welterweight division is one of the best they have and one of the best in the world...the lightweights, eh kinda agree there....you got Sherk, Penn, Florian, Griffin, Maynard...then everyone else. the heavyweights and lightweights are probably their weakest division, light heavyweights and welterweights their best, and middleweights...eh, getting better but nothing amazing really....

How is LHW good when all they do is strike? Its a bad division with alot of name recognition. Thats why people claim its "stacked" but with the exception of Evans and Machida its pretty average.

Lightweights are fantastic, and WW is getting better but how the hell do you put Kos, Fitch, Swick, Yoshida, Parisyan, Kim, Davis, Lytle, Condit, Serra, McCrory and say its stacked.

It just sounds like you're naming names. LOL, I can do that with any division.

The bottom line is Kos is one-dimensional and just KO'd by some unknown fighter from Brazil. Fitch is one-dimensional and hasnt beaten a top 5 WW. Yoshida? Really? Davis and Lytle are mid-level boxers who do nothing but slug it out on UFC main cards. Swick? What the hell has he done at WW, beat Goulet and Davis? Parisyan is not even relevant in the WW division. Just like Serra.

Its a bad division outside of Alves and GSP.

How is LHW good when all they do is strike? Its a bad division with alot of name recognition. Thats why people claim its "stacked" but with the exception of Evans and Machida its pretty average.

Lightweights are fantastic, and WW is getting better but how the hell do you put Kos, Fitch, Swick, Yoshida, Parisyan, Kim, Davis, Lytle, Condit, Serra, McCrory and say its stacked.

It just sounds like you're naming names. LOL, I can do that with any division.

The bottom line is Kos is one-dimensional and just KO'd by some unknown fighter from Brazil. Fitch is one-dimensional and hasnt beaten a top 5 WW. Yoshida? Really? Davis and Lytle are mid-level boxers who do nothing but slug it out on UFC main cards. Swick? What the hell has he done at WW, beat Goulet and Davis? Parisyan is not even relevant in the WW division. Just like Serra.

Its a bad division outside of Alves and GSP.

Well when you put it that way, lightweight isn't fantastic at all. What does UFC lightweight class have? Florian, Penn? Thats about it seriously.

Sherk is 1-dimensional, Huerta is overrated and got popular for beating Guida and having a PR background. Im not saying that his background is fake but face it, America loves the "nothing to something" storyline. Guida is the gatekeeper, Danzig just lost I believe. Really the LW division isn't anything spectacular except for Florian in my opinion. Seeing how I dont really like Penn.


Really if we look at the UFC from your perspective, then UFC isn't **** at all. With the exception of Florian, Penn, GSP, Silva, Evans, Rampage, Machida, and Franklin.

This thread feels like a big troll job.

Seriously, some of the posters here need to get off of their computers and get a freaking life. (and I'm pointing to both the MMA fanboys and their "Boxing feel threatened" theories and the Boxing fanboys with their lame MMA=homoerotic jokes)

I'm tired of people calling MMA fighters thugs and not martial artists. That's odd, Lyoto Machida seems more like a martial artist than thug to me (Shotokan Karate practioner), so does GSP, Cung Le...etc And Brock Lesnar is overhyped and given a title shot too soon but should he not be seen as a Kimbo Slice copy, at least Lesnar has a legit background (amatuer wrestling) and is training with a better camp.


As for the booing, this is one of the reasons why I miss PRIDE because at least the crowd was more classy (no I'm not a Pride nuthugger, I just prefer less dumbass crowds and MMA in a ring as opposed to a cage)