View Full Version : Past or Present do you think there has been a fighter who has never been knocked down


cotto16
04-18-2009, 12:26 PM
In Sparring, Amature fight, or Pro fight?

Slimey Limey
04-18-2009, 12:41 PM
Marciano only slipped twice so you could include him. You could also start a thread about fighters who have been knocked down more often than Louis(very difficult to make a list indeed).
And there's probably Valuev.

TheGreatA
04-18-2009, 12:45 PM
I don't think Oliver McCall was ever knocked down. If anyone did knock him down they'd probably come out and say it. Even Tyson could never knock him down in sparring.

Silencers
04-18-2009, 12:49 PM
I don't think Chuvalo has ever gotten knocked down.

Kid McCoy
04-18-2009, 03:28 PM
Marciano only slipped twice so you could include him. You could also start a thread about fighters who haven't been knocked down as often as Louis(very difficult to make a list indeed).
And there's probably Valuev.

Slipped? Marciano was also dropped in sparring by Toxey Hall, so that counts him out of this.

Speaking of slips, the only credited knockdown of Marvin Hagler against Juan Roldan did look suspiciously like a slip. McCall and Chuvalo are both good calls too.

Ziggy Stardust
04-18-2009, 03:43 PM
In Sparring, Amature fight, or Pro fight?

I know Marvin Hagler was never legitimately dropped as a pro. He had a slip once that was ruled a knockdown and commentators were still talking about how bogus it was years later.

Poet

mickey malone
04-18-2009, 04:13 PM
The 3 fighters I had in mind have already been metioned so I'll endeavor to make a 'poor mans' list....

Vitaly Klitschko
Nicolai Valuev
Terry Marsh

1SILVA
04-18-2009, 04:20 PM
In Sparring, Amature fight, or Pro fight?

Randy Cobb?

TheGreatA
04-18-2009, 04:27 PM
Randy Cobb?

I believe 'Tex' Cobb went down several times during his career. He was knocked down four times and stopped in the first round against unheralded Dee Collier although some believe that the fight was a fix.

He also went down in the 9th against Eddie Gregg.

mickey malone
04-18-2009, 04:33 PM
Randy Cobb?
Good call.. Can't ever remember him ever going down..
Although I never rated him, I don't believe Sven Otkke was ever knocked down either..
I think there may be 1or2 other Germans to.. What about Henry Maske & Axel Schultz?

Also Toney & Hopkins?

Slimey Limey
04-18-2009, 06:09 PM
Ike Ibeabuchi

Jim Jeffries after retiring unbeaten before fighting Johnson many years later.

For some reason Foreman never went down in his second career.

Mitch "blood" Green

KnockoutTheFat
04-18-2009, 06:32 PM
I can't imagine somebody chopping down Valuev so probably him

Southpaw16BF
04-18-2009, 06:37 PM
Good call.. Can't ever remember him ever going down..
Although I never rated him, I don't believe Sven Otkke was ever knocked down either..
I think there may be 1or2 other Germans to.. What about Henry Maske & Axel Schultz?

Also Toney & Hopkins?

Bernard Hopkins was knocked down twice against Segundo Mercado in their first fight which was held in Ecuador in 94.

James Toney was knocked down by Reggie Johnson in the 2rd round whilst defending his IBF Middlweight Title in 91.

Knighte
04-18-2009, 07:00 PM
David Tua - unless you count that time Hasim Rahman clocked him after the round was over. (Corner claims it was a slip)

Southpaw16BF
04-18-2009, 07:05 PM
David Tua - unless you count that time Hasim Rahman clocked him after the round was over. (Corner claims it was a slip)

David Tua has been knocked out in his Amature days in the 1991 Wolrd Championships against Cuban Legend Felix Savon.
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David Izon has also dropped Tua with a body shot in the Amature's.

SuperKing
04-18-2009, 07:27 PM
Not sure but i dont think Jake LaMotta ever went down in his pro career.

Southpaw16BF
04-18-2009, 07:34 PM
Not sure but i dont think Jake LaMotta ever went down in his pro career.

Lamotta was knocked down by Danny Nardico in 1952. It was a right hand that Nardico decked Lamotta with, Lamotta's corner pulled him out in the 7th round. Do this was Lamotta well past his best, and in his prime Lamotta's chin was grantin.

Here a picture of Lamotta Knocked down.
http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/3/33/Danny_Nardico_knocks_down_Jake_LaMotta.jpg

oc9979
04-18-2009, 07:39 PM
how about paul williams?

Southpaw Stinger
04-18-2009, 08:06 PM
Chuvalo only comes to mind.

beecherhq
04-18-2009, 08:21 PM
Tyson Fury

Abstraction
04-18-2009, 09:39 PM
Bernard Hopkins was knocked down only in 1 bout in his career. Which was twice against Mercardo in Ecuador, where i think the bout was held at 10,000 Feet Altitude !!!!

Even then Hopkins never lost.

They had a rematch at a venue with normal altitude after that i think, which Hopkins won

Jim Jeffries
04-18-2009, 10:56 PM
Bernard Hopkins was knocked down twice against Segundo Mercado in their first fight which was held in Ecuador in 94.

James Toney was knocked down by Reggie Johnson in the 2rd round whilst defending his IBF Middlweight Title in 91.

Toney was knocked down by a jab from Sam Peter if I remember right. Pretty impressive chin for a former middleweight champ though.

I don't think Oliver McCall was ever knocked down. If anyone did knock him down they'd probably come out and say it. Even Tyson could never knock him down in sparring.

Pretty impressive considering he's still fighting HW contenders at the age of 44. Even iron-chinned guys like Ray Mercer got hurt by that age.

boxasmash
04-19-2009, 12:59 AM
mikkel kessler........

mickey malone
04-19-2009, 04:17 PM
Bernard Hopkins was knocked down twice against Segundo Mercado in their first fight which was held in Ecuador in 94.

James Toney was knocked down by Reggie Johnson in the 2rd round whilst defending his IBF Middlweight Title in 91.
Regards.. You've just improved my repetoir..

Southpaw16BF
04-19-2009, 05:02 PM
Regards.. You've just improved my repetoir..

No Problem ;)

Lacrimosa
04-19-2009, 08:23 PM
George Chuvalo
Vitali Klitschko
Ike Ibeabuchi

P.S. were Riddick Bowe and Shane Mosley ever knocked down in pro`s?

Southpaw16BF
04-19-2009, 08:46 PM
George Chuvalo
Vitali Klitschko
Ike Ibeabuchi

P.S. were Riddick Bowe and Shane Mosley ever knocked down in pro`s?

It hasn't happened in boxing, but Vitali Klitschko has been knocked out in a Kickboxing match against Pele Reid, who would also go on to have a boxing career in the U.K. Here a article about it
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/en/news/1770/2005-08-09/The-Man-Who-Knocked-Vitali-Klitschko-Out-What-Really-Happened-

Riddick Bowe was put on the canvas in his third bout with Evander Holyfield in the 6th round.

Shane Mosely was knocked down in his first fight against Vernon Forrest in the 2rd round, do it all started with a clash of heads.

AztecWanker
04-19-2009, 09:43 PM
Bernard Hopkins was knocked down twice against Segundo Mercado in their first fight which was held in Ecuador in 94.

James Toney was knocked down by Reggie Johnson in the 2rd round whilst defending his IBF Middlweight Title in 91.

That was the only time Toney went down hard, dude was hurt bad. He went down against Roy in the 3rd for goofing off and again against Sam Peter in their second fight.

Southpaw16BF
04-19-2009, 09:45 PM
That was the only time Toney went down hard, dude was hurt bad. He went down against Roy in the 3rd for goofing off and again against Sam Peter in their second fight.

Here's the knockdown of Reggie Johnson.
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AztecWanker
04-19-2009, 09:51 PM
It wasn't as hard as I remember it when I saw it the first time, but he was definitely hurt. Green K.

yeykax
04-19-2009, 09:54 PM
I believe macho camacho too was never dropped i no for a fact never kod

AztecWanker
04-19-2009, 10:00 PM
He went down against Oscar I think.

PLATE
04-21-2009, 04:07 PM
I don't think Chuvalo has ever gotten knocked down.


This is the guy that pops into most fans' heads when discussing granite chins. Was he ever down as an amateur?

Lacrimosa
04-21-2009, 05:53 PM
This is the guy that pops into most fans' heads when discussing granite chins. Was he ever down as an amateur?

As far as i know, he had a very short amateur career.... Something like 15 fights, all of them by quick knockouts... So i think the possibility of him being down is absolutely impossible...

No wonder he is considered to have the best chin in history.... There was nobody tougher...

THE REED™
04-21-2009, 05:55 PM
Steve Forbes....

cotto16
04-22-2009, 12:12 PM
Steve Forbes....

That is one cast iron chin

Lacrimosa
04-22-2009, 01:31 PM
Was Nikolai Valuev mentioned?:)

I think when he meets a heavy-punching guy, he can go down, but right now he`s a two-time (OMG) world champion, and as far as i know he was never down in his professional fights... Don`t know about amateurs...

MarkScott
04-22-2009, 10:21 PM
I think Cobb and Chuvalo never were knocked down. Jake Lamotta went a long time without going down.

http://www.amazon.com/Joe-Gans-Biography-American-Champion/dp/0786439947

MonsieurGeorges
04-23-2009, 01:02 AM
Bernard Hopkins was knocked down twice against Segundo Mercado in their first fight which was held in Ecuador in 94.

James Toney was knocked down by Reggie Johnson in the 2rd round whilst defending his IBF Middlweight Title in 91.

James Toney also got knocked down by Sam Peter!

I've read that Jake Lamotta only got knocked down once when he was fighting past his prime

Southpaw16BF
04-23-2009, 12:38 PM
Marciano only slipped twice so you could include him. You could also start a thread about fighters who have been knocked down more often than Louis(very difficult to make a list indeed).
And there's probably Valuev.

You say Marciano only slipped twice, the knockdowns he suffered at the hands of Archie Moore and Jersey Joe Walcott were no slips, they were clean punchers. And I've never heard no one claim them to be slips, not even Marciano himslef.

They were clean knockdowns.

Ziggy Stardust
04-23-2009, 12:46 PM
You say Marciano only slipped twice, the knockdowns he suffered at the hands of Archie Moore and Jersey Joe Walcott were no slips, they were clean punchers. And I've never heard no one claim them to be slips, not even Marciano himslef.

They were clean knockdowns.

Notice he can't make a post without including a gratuitous shot at Louis? I'm begining to think this guy hates Louis as much as LRR hates Ali.

Poet

Southpaw16BF
04-23-2009, 12:48 PM
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Watch from the 2 Minute mark, and you will see that is no slip. Marciano is hit with a clean punch.

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Again watch from around the 50 second mark onwards and you will see again Walcott hits Marciano with a peach of a uppercut.

The punchers Moore and Walcott hit Marcaino to knock him down, were near perfect punchers that landed right on the button. They were never in a million years slips.

Southpaw16BF
04-23-2009, 12:50 PM
Notice he can't make a post without including a gratuitous shot at Louis? I'm begining to think this guy hates Louis as much as LRR hates Ali.

Poet

I also noticed the Louis comment, and the subject was nothing to do with Louis.

Ziggy Stardust
04-23-2009, 01:00 PM
I also noticed the Louis comment, and the subject was nothing to do with Louis.

It doesn't have to be about him. This guy seems incapable of making a post without trying to discredit the Bomber at some point during it.

Poet

Slimey Limey
04-23-2009, 01:47 PM
You say Marciano only slipped twice, the knockdowns he suffered at the hands of Archie Moore and Jersey Joe Walcott were no slips, they were clean punchers. And I've never heard no one claim them to be slips, not even Marciano himslef.

They were clean knockdowns.

They were about as clean as your undies, so you can take that back. Marciano was off balance against Moore, and here is the proof.

http://photos.silive.com/photos/advance/2fba9bb9cf42539c7bc1c22a3519db5c.jpg

This is right before he goes down. He is leaning on his left leg and swinging wildly off balance. Slipped.
And against Walcott it's the same story but I can't find the pic at the moment.

Being a smartass doesn't always help your cause, wanker.

Southpaw16BF
04-23-2009, 01:57 PM
They were about as clean as your undies, so you can take that back. Marciano was off balance against Moore, and here is the proof.

http://photos.silive.com/photos/advance/2fba9bb9cf42539c7bc1c22a3519db5c.jpg

This is right before he goes down. He is leaning on his left leg and swinging wildly off balance. Slipped.
And against Walcott it's the same story but I can't find the pic at the moment.

Being a smartass doesn't always help your cause, wanker.

But being off balance can be part of a Knockdown. And you must of not been watching the vidoes close enough, as you will see off balnace or not Moore and Walcott hit Marciano with clean flush on shots, that he goes down off.

Your lack of Boxing Knowlodge is unbelivable.

TheGreatA
04-23-2009, 02:04 PM
I can buy the excuse that Marciano was "off balance" against Moore.

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1:00

Rocky was standing steadily on his two feet and not in the process of throwing a wild punch against Walcott though.

What about Rocky being nearly knocked out by a light heavyweight journeyman Tiger Ted Lowry?

GJC
04-23-2009, 02:12 PM
I can buy the excuse that Marciano was "off balance" against Moore.

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1:00

Rocky was standing steadily on his two feet and not in the process of throwing a wild punch against Walcott though.

What about Rocky being nearly knocked out by a light heavyweight journeyman Tiger Ted Lowry?
He struggled in the 1st fight against Lowry for sure, I'm not sure about him nearly being knocked out though? My memory of it was in both fights he couldn't get Lowry's defense down. Can't remember seeing the fights on film, do they exist? Do think that as only a handful of fighters survived the distance with Marciano and he certainly wasn't a stylist that the survival of fighters has turned into contraversial decisions with the passage of time?

Southpaw16BF
04-23-2009, 02:15 PM
I can buy the excuse that Marciano was "off balance" against Moore.

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1:00

Rocky was standing steadily on his two feet and not in the process of throwing a wild punch against Walcott though.

What about Rocky being nearly knocked out by a light heavyweight journeyman Tiger Ted Lowry?

My point being, he may have been off balance against Moore, but Moore hit him with a clean punch. Being off balance and slipping are two different things, as when you slip it is not caused by a punch, Marcaino went down due to being hit by Moore. Which at the time were calling what Moore hit Marcaino with ''The near perfect punch''

Slimey Limey
04-23-2009, 02:15 PM
There is your alt coming to the rescue I see. I guess you can't debate me without backing yourself up with multiple accounts, mate.

But being off balance can be part of a Knockdown. And you must of not been watching the vidoes close enough, as you will see off balnace or not Moore and Walcott hit Marciano with clean flush on shots, that he goes down off.

Your lack of Boxing Knowlodge is unbelivable.

Part of a FLASH knockdown. Unlike you I see flash kd's as irrelevent. It says nothing about the fight, or the opponents ability to take a punch. In K-1 Kickboxing and many other martial arts this would be called a slip and the fight would go on like nothing happened. Of cource this is Boxing, but it shows this is irrelevant.But you of cource want to be a smartass and make your master Mancmachine proud, so that is why you jumped on the anti Marciano boat.

GJC
04-23-2009, 02:17 PM
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Watch from the 2 Minute mark, and you will see that is no slip. Marciano is hit with a clean punch.

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Again watch from around the 50 second mark onwards and you will see again Walcott hits Marciano with a peach of a uppercut.

The punchers Moore and Walcott hit Marcaino to knock him down, were near perfect punchers that landed right on the button. They were never in a million years slips.
Moore certainly looked shocked that Marciano bounced straight up. As for being off balance, I'm a fan of Marciano but was he ever on balance?

TheGreatA
04-23-2009, 02:19 PM
There is your alt coming to the rescue I see. I guess you can't debate me without backing yourself up with multiple accounts, mate.



Part of a FLASH knockdown. Unlike you I see flash kd's as irrelevent. It says nothing about the fight, or the opponents ability to take a punch. In K-1 Kickboxing and many other martial arts this would be called a slip and the fight would go on like nothing happened. Of cource this is Boxing, but it shows this is irrelevant.But you of cource want to be a smartass and make your master Mancmachine proud, so that is why you jumped on the anti Marciano boat.

You should have probably said that before making yourself look like a bit of a fool (not that it's a first) by saying that Marciano only "slipped" against Walcott and Moore.

And those knockdowns would have most certainly been called knockdowns in any other martial art as well.

Slimey Limey
04-23-2009, 02:24 PM
You should have probably said that before making yourself look like a bit of a fool (not that it's a first) by saying that Marciano only "slipped" against Walcott and Moore.

And those knockdowns would have most certainly been called knockdowns in any other martial art as well.

Me looking stupid ay mate? You're the one posting here with mulptiple accounts. That shows you lost the argument the minute I posted that picture.
Slips, flash kd's, it's the same. Because they both mean NOTHING. Get it?

And if you actually watched any other martial arts, which you clearly don't, then you'd know they wouldn't be called.

Southpaw16BF
04-23-2009, 02:33 PM
Me looking stupid ay mate? You're the one posting here with mulptiple accounts. That shows you lost the argument the minute I posted that picture.
Slips, flash kd's, it's the same. Because they both mean NOTHING. Get it?

And if you actually watched any other martial arts, which you clearly don't, then you'd know they wouldn't be called.

How is a slip and a flashknockdown the same??? When you are flash knocked dowened you are hit with a punch, when you slip you are hit with nothing and you are down because you have slipped on something. Two totally different concepts.

I think you should go back to watching Martial Arts full time.

GJC
04-23-2009, 02:49 PM
When you get up to heavyweight most of the better ones can knock you down, its more physics than weakness of chin. The punches were good and it is a point in Marciano's favour that he bounced straight up rather than a criticism that he touched canvas. No way were they slips.

TheGreatA
04-23-2009, 02:52 PM
Me looking stupid ay mate? You're the one posting here with mulptiple accounts. That shows you lost the argument the minute I posted that picture.
Slips, flash kd's, it's the same. Because they both mean NOTHING. Get it?

And if you actually watched any other martial arts, which you clearly don't, then you'd know they wouldn't be called.

Multiple accounts? :thinking:

I've watched other martial arts almost as intently as I do boxing.

Was Mark Hunt on balance at 4:30?

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Was Liddell on balance at 0:50?

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Is Takeda on balance at 5:50?

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Slimey Limey
04-23-2009, 03:09 PM
How is a slip and a flashknockdown the same??? When you are flash knocked dowened you are hit with a punch, when you slip you are hit with nothing and you are down because you have slipped on something. Two totally different concepts.

I think you should go back to watching Martial Arts full time.

Can you read? Or can't you afford glasses? I said "They both mean nothing". Now, I can't be any more simple than this in the English language so I'm not gonna spell it out for you.

I think you should grown into one of those mma fanboys. You fit in there nicely.

Multiple accounts? :thinking:

I've watched other martial arts almost as intently as I do boxing.

Was Mark Hunt on balance at 4:30?

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Was Liddell on balance at 0:50?

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Is Takeda on balance at 5:50?

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Yes multiple accounts. Manmachine and Southpaw16= Same person.

If you knew anything about Marital arts you'd know there are no knockdowns called in UFC. FAIL.

Hunt was hit before throwing a punch. Marciano threw a wild punch, was standing on 1 leg off balance, then he was hit.
Takeda same story.

And how convenient that you picked a few moments, when there are TRILLIONS of opposite examples. Even if you came up with 20 examples in this thread, it's still a fact that every time it is not called a knockdown so you fail, mate.

Sorry Marciano hater. The Rock was never knocked down. Live with it. Take professional help if you can't handle it.

TheGreatA
04-23-2009, 03:14 PM
If you knew anything about Marital arts you'd know there are no knockdowns called in UFC. FAIL.

Fail.

"7. Thus for all Judges scoring UFC fights, the prioritized order of evaluating criteria is:
-clean strikes and effective grappling are weighed first.
-octagon control
-effective aggressiveness
M. Domination Criteria
1. A Judge may determine that a fighter dominated his opponent in a round. This can lead to a two point or more difference on a Judge's scorecard.
2. The definition of a dominating round is a fighter's ability to effectively strike, grapple and
control his opponent.
3. A Judge may determine a round was dominating if a fighter was adversely affected by one of the following:
-knocked down from standing position by clean strike
-by submission attempt
-from a throw
-from clean strikes either standing or grounded."

Hunt was hit before throwing a punch. Marciano threw a wild punch, was standing on 1 leg off balance, then he was hit.
Takeda same story.

Hunt and Takeda were both in the process of throwing a punch when they were knocked down.

I already said that I may buy the excuse for the Moore knockdown but what about the Walcott knockdown? Marciano was not throwing a punch and was standing steadily on his two feet when he got caught by a huge left hook which put him down.

Here it is again:

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1:00

And how convenient that you picked a few moments, when there are TRILLIONS of opposite examples. Even if you came up with 20 examples in this thread, it's still a fact that every time it is not called a knockdown so you fail, mate.

Please come up with some of these examples then. I've made my case.

GJC
04-23-2009, 03:19 PM
I'm not a Marciano hater and if you check my posts will always support him. But he was knocked down, he got up and knocked out the other guy later. He was down in the Moore Walcott fights for a total of about 3 seconds, to my mind it shows that he did have an incredible chin not the opposite.
He was knocked down though.

Southpaw16BF
04-23-2009, 03:37 PM
Can you read? Or can't you afford glasses? I said "They both mean nothing". Now, I can't be any more simple than this in the English language so I'm not gonna spell it out for you.

I think you should grown into one of those mma fanboys. You fit in there nicely.



Yes multiple accounts. Manmachine and Southpaw16= Same person.

If you knew anything about Marital arts you'd know there are no knockdowns called in UFC. FAIL.

Hunt was hit before throwing a punch. Marciano threw a wild punch, was standing on 1 leg off balance, then he was hit.
Takeda same story.

And how convenient that you picked a few moments, when there are TRILLIONS of opposite examples. Even if you came up with 20 examples in this thread, it's still a fact that every time it is not called a knockdown so you fail, mate.

Sorry Marciano hater. The Rock was never knocked down. Live with it. Take professional help if you can't handle it.

You say a slip and a flash knockdown both don't mean nothing. Well actually a flash knockdown does mean something, it means a 10-8 round, were a slip means nothing. So you are wrong again, like you always are.

Am no Marcaino hater, but I accept the fact that ''BOTH'' Jersey Joe Walcott and Archie Moore knocked him down with clean punchers.

Slimey Limey
04-23-2009, 03:42 PM
Fail.

"7. Thus for all Judges scoring UFC fights, the prioritized order of evaluating criteria is:
-clean strikes and effective grappling are weighed first.
-octagon control
-effective aggressiveness
M. Domination Criteria
1. A Judge may determine that a fighter dominated his opponent in a round. This can lead to a two point or more difference on a Judge's scorecard.
2. The definition of a dominating round is a fighter's ability to effectively strike, grapple and
control his opponent.
3. A Judge may determine a round was dominating if a fighter was adversely affected by one of the following:
-knocked down from standing position by clean strike
-by submission attempt
-from a throw
-from clean strikes either standing or grounded."



Hunt and Takeda were both in the process of throwing a punch when they were knocked down.

I already said that I may buy the excuse for the Moore knockdown but what about the Walcott knockdown? Marciano was not throwing a punch and was standing steadily on his two feet when he got caught by a huge left hook which put him down.

Here it is again:

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1:00



Please come up with some of these examples then. I've made my case.

LOL, don't get mad, copy right infinging machine. You are denying my accusations of you being the owner of your other account Southpaw16, so you're admitting it?

I clearly meant the ref doesn't call knockdowns, thus they are not called. Wanker. I never said anything about SCORING mma fights, so you can shove that Chuck example up your arse mate. It shows how desperate you are, that you have to dig in a sport where they don't even have standing 8 counts like in Boxing, which is what this forum is. Boxing. So, FAIL again, Machine. Don't worry. You're so used to failing now it doesn't matter.

Hunt and Takeda were hit BEFORE they finished the punch. Marciano was hit AFTER throwing a punch while he was off balance therefor ready to go down. He was off balance and slipped against Walcott. What part of this don't you understand mate? Do I really have to spell it again for you?

And what examples? You mean how it's a fact that balance shots are not called as knockdowns in Kickboxing and Muay Thai 9999 out of 1000 times? You want one example you can wank to, Overeem vs Bonjasky. Remy was knocked down off balance thus it was not called. It was crucial, but it was not called.

Now go and do you homework again with your youtube videos. You must not get out whatsoever mate. Any time i'm on here you're online and hopping on my balls. Whats the real issue here mate?

TheGreatA
04-23-2009, 04:09 PM
I clearly meant the ref doesn't call knockdowns, thus they are not called. Wanker. I never said anything about SCORING mma fights, so you can shove that Chuck example up your arse mate. It shows how desperate you are, that you have to dig in a sport where they don't even have standing 8 counts like in Boxing, which is what this forum is. Boxing. So, FAIL again, Machine. Don't worry. You're so used to failing now it doesn't matter.

They don't have standing eight counts because it's MMA, the point of the sport is that you can continue fighting even with your opponent on the canvas. The referee is not supposed to interfere by issuing a standing 8 count.

This doesn't mean that knockdowns aren't called because the judges do take them into account.


Hunt and Takeda were hit BEFORE they finished the punch. Marciano was hit AFTER throwing a punch while he was off balance therefor ready to go down.

This does not mean they weren't off balance.

He was off balance and slipped against Walcott. What part of this don't you understand mate? Do I really have to spell it again for you?

Ridiculous.

And what examples? You mean how it's a fact that balance shots are not called as knockdowns in Kickboxing and Muay Thai 9999 out of 1000 times? You want one example you can wank to, Overeem vs Bonjasky. Remy was knocked down off balance thus it was not called. It was crucial, but it was not called.

Not really comparable since Bonjasky actually had his foot off the canvas:

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GJC
04-23-2009, 08:37 PM
Louis could be caught but if you hold a title for 10 odd years and defend it against every conceivable contender in a reasonably strong era you are going to occasionally hit the canvas, no?

BennyST
04-24-2009, 06:14 AM
They were about as clean as your undies, so you can take that back. Marciano was off balance against Moore, and here is the proof.

http://photos.silive.com/photos/advance/2fba9bb9cf42539c7bc1c22a3519db5c.jpg

This is right before he goes down.

That is the whole point of what is called 'a counter-punch'. To make your opponent miss and be off balance so you can land a punch that can either hurt him and knock him down easily. It's not as if it makes a difference whether he was off balance or not because it was Moore that created that opportunity and therefore it was Moore's skill that caused the knockdown, and not Marciano's balance.