View Full Version : WHos the best????


allmmafan21
05-12-2004, 03:40 AM
Who is the best pound for pound fighter in the world and why?

kcfman
05-12-2004, 03:48 AM
It all depends on what you mean. In mma, I would have to go with BJ Penn , Vitor Belfort or Wanderlei Silva.

Mr. Beelzebub
05-12-2004, 10:43 AM
Top 3 choices to me:

- BJ Penn
- Wanderlei Silva
- Randy Couture

lightweight
05-12-2004, 01:05 PM
Penn
Silva
Hughes
Couture
Dan "Headbutt" Henderson
Bustamante
Nog

DOGGx0
05-12-2004, 01:38 PM
My choices would be:

1) Bj Penn
2) Couture
3) Hendo
4) Fedor
5) Rampage
6) Franca

mmafanman
05-12-2004, 02:48 PM
Penn, Silva, Couture, Hendo, Rampage, Nog, Pequeno and Joe Son.

realkaps
05-12-2004, 10:43 PM
Penn, Hendo, and Couture.........

allmmafan21
05-13-2004, 05:51 AM
How high was penn on this list before he beat Hughes? I just question how after one fight hes the pound for pound number one on everyones list. Penn is great but number one not yet on my list.

allmmafan21
05-13-2004, 06:17 AM
this is how i see it
1. W.Silva
2.Fedor Emelianenko
3.B J Penn
4. R.Couture
5. M. Hughes
6. Hendo
7. Nogs-prolly should be higher
8. Rampage
9. Bustamante
10. J.Horn

DOGGx0
05-13-2004, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by allmmafan21
How high was penn on this list before he beat Hughes? I just question how after one fight hes the pound for pound number one on everyones list. Penn is great but number one not yet on my list.

First off, its not a matter of how we ordered them. He is in a different weight class than lets say... Couture. He is and has been one of the best P4P fighters... before his fight with Hughes. He fell off the list due to inactivity, but since he is active again... he is back up. He has always been well versed in all aspects of the fight game. For example... you have Matt Hughes... for what? Coz he was champion? Coz he slammed people? Because he GnP'd people? Thats like saying Tito was one of the best P4P fighters. ****, even Tito's stand up is better than Hughes IMO, but thats a different subject. Cmon. If we're talkin about the best P4P fighters.... Hughes is not THAT good at bjj, and his stand up is just "ok". His wrestling and power is what ****s people up. So with that said, he is not on the list for one of the best P4P fighters. Guys like Couture are, Penn, guys that are well versed in MMA and have proved it time and time again. Guys that have all the odds against them and show EVERYBODY up because they got it all. Ie: Liddell-Couture, Penn-Hughes, etc. You got guys like Hughes who you bet on time and time again... well no ****.. look at his opponents. Not saying that they are'nt good, but they just don't have the power nor wrestling tools that Hughes has at WW. Then you got Penn who stepped in there.... with not one person giving him credit for how well rounded he is. UPSETS are a *****. Thats what makes the P4P fighter. Fans are so quick to jump on bandwagons and not look at the facts. Same way they did when Couture was up against Liddell for the interim LHW belt. Hardly anyone thought Randy was gonna win.

****. Nevermind. Opinions are opinions and you got yours. I hope you can see my point tho and why so many have Penn on their list.

allmmafan21
05-13-2004, 02:46 PM
Its not that i dont understand how good penn is i just dont think he is the number one pound for pound fighter. You make good points but like u said everyone has their own opinion and i have mine.

Nuno
05-13-2004, 06:32 PM
The answer to your question is simple.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira.

Bluecifer
05-13-2004, 06:32 PM
Randy Couture. Lol, @KCF for listing Belfort.

Fallout
05-13-2004, 07:02 PM
Randy Couture or Dan Henderson

Curly Howard
05-13-2004, 07:48 PM
Nogueira and or Couture.
Couture is probably one of the most well rounded fighters in the world with cardio that would make an 18 year old jealous.

Nog has an amazing chin and the biggest heart in the game. Just watch the Sapp and Cro Cop fights. Most anyone else would have quit or been KOed.

Gomi and Masato are still 2 of the toughest lightweights in the world.

kcfman
05-14-2004, 02:08 AM
Originally posted by Blue
Randy Couture. Lol, @KCF for listing Belfort. Nothing wrong with Randy at all! Randy lost to fighters . Vitor lost to fighters. Randy won Vitor, Vitor won Randy. I just think Vitor is better than Randy.(more complete)

DOGGx0
05-14-2004, 01:18 PM
How is Vitor more complete? I mean hes got the striking and jiu jitsu, however Couture has the striking, the wrestling, and the ability to pick apart just about anybody he fights. At the least I would say they are preaty evenly matched, however Randy has fought waaaaaaaay more top contenders than Vitor has. Vitor really has'nt beaten anyone top caliber except for Silva..... Eastman was a nice win too, but Eastman has never been a top contender. I would give the upper hand to Randy way before I give it to Vitor. And don't start with this Vitor has a win over Randy..... that was bull**** and you know it. Randy has held a belt in 2 weight classes and fought better competition, not knocking Vitor at all.... hes a great fighter. But those are the facts, bud.

Fallout
05-14-2004, 02:03 PM
I really think its Dan Henderson because Dan has the ability to keep the fight where he is the better fighter. Thats the most important ability as an MMA fighter

kcfman
05-14-2004, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by DOGGx0
How is Vitor more complete? I mean hes got the striking and jiu jitsu, however Couture has the striking, the wrestling, and the ability to pick apart just about anybody he fights. At the least I would say they are preaty evenly matched, however Randy has fought waaaaaaaay more top contenders than Vitor has. Vitor really has'nt beaten anyone top caliber except for Silva..... Eastman was a nice win too, but Eastman has never been a top contender. I would give the upper hand to Randy way before I give it to Vitor. And don't start with this Vitor has a win over Randy..... that was bull**** and you know it. Randy has held a belt in 2 weight classes and fought better competition, not knocking Vitor at all.... hes a great fighter. But those are the facts, bud.

Of the six losses in Randy's carreer, 3 came by sub (armbar, guillotine choke and kimura). 2 came by strikes and 1 by cut.

Vitor can sub, can strike and can cut!:lol2:

Bluecifer
05-14-2004, 03:47 PM
IF Vitor fights Randy again, and I feel that this is a VERY big IF, Randy will dress up Vitor in pumps in and a mini skirt, have his way with him, and then send him into the kitchen to make a sandwich. However, I think Vitor knows this and am betting that Vitor will come up an excuse not to face him. He's going to run and hide.

Piedra
05-15-2004, 02:09 PM
Wanderlei Silva, he was born to fight.