Are you for or against it and why?

some people deserve to die for their crimes

Originally posted by Kempo Chris
some people deserve to die for their crimes

I am not a supporter of the death penelty, but I do agree with you on your point Chris. If a father comes home and finds someone raping his daughter, and he kills him, I can understand that. Its the heat of the moment, its ugly, its real.

However, I don't support the idea that we are somehow above that we get all dressed up in suits, a judge hands down a sentence, and we let him sit on death row for 10-15 years while he uses all his appeals.

Espically because mistakes are made. Over 100 people have been released from death row (convictions overturned) because of ew evidance that was found. 100 people that were sentenced to die, but then were freed. It makes me wonder how many weren't that lucky

All those appeals - all the tax payers money
The death penalty winds up costing about the same as keeping them in jail for life - maybe less

no, if your looking at it from that angle, the death penalty costs more. I also think that the resources used to house these people in a seperate area doesn't make sense. Remember, death row has its own seperate cells, guards, whole area of the prison.

People say why should we feed and cloth these people for 30 or 40 years when we can just kill them and be done with it. Remember people, this is prison. Its not club med. Anal rapings, beatings, bad food, stuck in a tiny cells or doing back breaking labor. Death would be an escape from that.

btw, I voted yes by mistake on the poll. It should be 1-1

the death penalty is right.

and as much as i hate to say it its in the bible. "an eye for an eye"

if you beat someone to death with a bat... guess how your goin.

**** ***** death. **** injection and that ****. The death penalty should be painfull and torturous.

Originally posted by VulgarTheClown
the death penalty is right.

and as much as i hate to say it its in the bible. "an eye for an eye"

if you beat someone to death with a bat... guess how your goin.

**** ***** death. **** injection and that ****. The death penalty should be painfull and torturous.

It also says thou shall not kill. So, we kill someone because they killed someone? And what if we are wrong? What happens if they are really innocent?

Originally posted by Creed
It also says thou shall not kill. So, we kill someone because they killed someone? And what if we are wrong? What happens if they are really innocent?

mistakes are made. you win some you lose some, tough ****.

you do not let 1 spoil the bunch.

Then what about 100? 100 people have been found innocent after being sent to death row. Not to meation the scores of errors that where found in the trails of others that got them new sentencing hearings. Mistakes can't be made when we are talking about someones life

Kill em all and let god sort em out

Well applied its ok, but its used as a tool against innocent people is not correct.

Its great. I feel safe because of it. You know what else makes me feel safe? Guns. :)

Luke ****in rocks.

The Bible is a pile of contradictory bull****. The idea that any of you might use it as a political blueprint is alarming.

State sanctioned revenge? **** that. Only genuine fools support the death penalty. FACT.

Originally posted by Mr Boogaloo
Only genuine fools support the death penalty. FACT.

Mr Boogaloo, please show me a source for this fact.

Originally posted by VulgarTheClown
mistakes are made. you win some you lose some, tough ****.

you do not let 1 spoil the bunch.

Funny.

Originally posted by Stain
Mr Boogaloo, please show me a source for this fact.

While I don't share Boogaloo's argument that only fools support the death penelty, I do belive its a mistake to support it.

1. Mistakes are made

What happend to the idea that 1000 guilty men should go free save 1 innocent man goes to jail? Since 1973, 113 people in 25 states have been released from death row with evidence of their innocence

Florida 23
Missouri 3
Illinois 17
S. Carolina 3
Oklahoma 7
Indiana 2
Texas 7
Massachusetts 2
Georgia 6
Idaho 1
Arizona 6
Kentucky 1
Louisiana 6
Maryland 1
Pennsylvania 5
Mississippi 1
New Mexico 4
Nebraska 1
North Carolina 4
Nevada 1
Ohio 4
Washington 1
Alabama 3
Virginia 1
California 3

The number of innocent defendants released from death row has increased in recent years. Between 1973 and October, 1993, an average of 2.75 innocent defendants were released. Since then, the average has increased to 5 releases per year.

Exonerations By Race

Black 52
White 47
Latino 12
Native American 1
Other 1


Discriptions of each case of innocence (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=6&did=109)


People put to death dispite evidance or doubts about guilt (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=6&did=111#executed)

No one will read these I am sure, but I thought I might post them on the off chance that someone might read them and understand why I think the death penelty is wrong

Originally posted by Stain
Mr Boogaloo, please show me a source for this fact.

By going 'FACT', yes, of course, that is a rhetorical point...

Still, it's a fact to my mind as every argument in favour of the death penalty that I have ever heard could be comfortably transposed over the lips of a drunk, fascistic fool... these arguments are so assinine that you can easily demonstrate the foolish assumptions that give rise to them.

I challenge anyone to put forward an argument in favour of the death penalty that I cannot dismantle with ease. Not that I reckon myself so ****ing cool, just because all the arguments clearly suck.

I voted Yes. If you kill, you deserved to be killed yourself. And yes, innocent people die, but just like everything in this world, everything isn't perfect.

Oh, and for those who say they oppose the death penalty, i understand i guess. But, i don't know how old some of you are, but just imagine if someone murdered your daughter or son. Well first of all, i would kill them myself most likely, but if you say they don't deserve to die, then i don't know what's wrong with you.

Just saying things aren't perfect and doing nothing to fix them is idiotic

The death penelty is wrong. It is also expensive. It causes the early release of rapists, thieves, drug dealers. Thoses are the peopel that cause crime to go up. Thoses are the people we need to protect ourselves from

I am going to be sentincing some people to the death penalty over the course of the next few years

If you kill, you should be killed. If you're mentally ****ed up in the head and kill someone, then the person(s) who never helped you seek help when they could have... should be killed. but for someone who accidentally kills someone, lets say the person drives into someone while they are on perscription drugs.. dont call it man slaughter. theres a fine line, but i am not the person to say where to draw it. thats on GOD. normally, i would say kill... get killed.

I am an accountant and an economics major, so my opinion is extrictly based on numbers... Our legal system is so screwed up that the whole process of convicting, sending to death row, waiting ther and finally being executed is a lot more expensive than keeping the inmate in prison for the rest of his/her life.
I am against the death penalty for this reason, It is better to keep that inmate alive in prison and have him pay with labor the cost of him living.

I say stick them in the smallest cell possible to save space, and feed them very little to save money. Them suffering the rest of their lives is much better than a quick death.

killing people rules

Originally posted by DOGGx0
If you kill, you should be killed.


That a simplistic view - not one designed for modern society, which is a tad more complicated than your rhetoric.

Originally posted by Nuno
I say stick them in the smallest cell possible to save space, and feed them very little to save money. Them suffering the rest of their lives is much better than a quick death.

Whoa. Clever joke. Did you see what he did there? Nice work bro.

Originally posted by Mr. Beelzebub
I am an accountant and an economics major, so my opinion is extrictly based on numbers... Our legal system is so screwed up that the whole process of convicting, sending to death row, waiting ther and finally being executed is a lot more expensive than keeping the inmate in prison for the rest of his/her life.
I am against the death penalty for this reason, It is better to keep that inmate alive in prison and have him pay with labor the cost of him living.

Because you're studying economics, you are not qualified to give an opinion on a question of morality? hahahahaha you need to get out more, bookworm!

You come across like a robot :)

Originally posted by Mr Boogaloo
Because you're studying economics, you are not qualified to give an opinion on a question of morality? hahahahaha you need to get out more, bookworm!

You come across like a robot :)

That's the first time someone has call me a bookworm, thank you honey. I considered morals to be a matter of opinion and I was giving the actual facts of why I am against it. Morality? Most right wing, uptight consefvatist will tell you to kill those ****ers like it is written in the Bible. On the other hand liberals would probably give reasons why we as a society don't have the right to decide who lives and who dies. I say **** all that bull****, do what is cheaper for us the taxpayers.

You sensitive *****, go find your sense of morality watching Oprah.

Originally posted by Mr. Beelzebub
do what is cheaper for us the taxpayers.


Now that you mention it, capitalism clearly is the most important thing in this world. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Anyway, you interpreted the facts, that's what makes it your opinion, buddy!

It was really impolite of you to call me a *****. Shame on you.

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NO

I'm against the death penalty, but don't think that murder should be illegal.

Originally posted by Blue
I'm against the death penalty, but don't think that murder should be illegal.

For some cases you are correct. Child molesters for example should be killed on the spot by the kids parents. Unless the parents are the ones doing the molesting, in which case a good samaritan should kill em. I think I overthought this thought.

You got what I meant instantly Nuno.

If you enforce the death penalty...you see how quick these people think twice before committing some horrible crime. Im all for it as long as they have the right person..

Actually, statistics prove that in places were the death penalty exists the crime rate hasn't change a bit. Crime is still on the rise.

Originally posted by Mr. Beelzebub
Actually, statistics prove that in places were the death penalty exists the crime rate hasn't change a bit. Crime is still on the rise.

Actually, its gone up as the % of early release is highiest in states with the death penelty

Crime is on the rise DESPITE stiff jail sentences and death penalties. I think it's because 80% of everyone in prison has a severe drug or alcohol problem so are addicts that by definition can't control their actions without treatment even in the face of severe consequences.

Originally posted by Nuno
Child molesters for example should be killed on the spot by the kids parents. Unless the parents are the ones doing the molesting, in which case a good samaritan should kill em.

http://www.thinkofthechildren.co.uk/

Crime is still on the rise.

That’s because the population in the U.S. is on the rise. Naturally, the more people you have, the more crime you will have. So relatively speaking, it’s percentage wise pretty consistent.

If you want the crime to “stop going up,” then stop letting foreigners come into the U.S. If you want crime to go down, then don’t let women have any more babies. It’s all about the number game of population and “human rights.”

last time i checked, crime was hitting record lows.

last time i checked, crime was hitting record lows.

Excatly, and the places where it is highest is places that have the death penelty because it leads to early release of other criminals.

We need to start killing people then. The terrorists need to do their damn job.

btw, who ttted this thread?

See.. if the terrorists do their job and stop sitting on their asses, pollution would go down as well as crime. And since the crime would go down, there would be less of a need for the death penalty. There’s the damn solution.

the ****???

I think mouse as finaly lost it.

It's true. New York streets are a pain to drive on, why? Because there's too many people.. i.e. WAS .. then the plains did their job, and the streets must have been less cluttered with people thus there was less traffic... why was there less traffic? because most of those people were dead. Less smog, less traffic, less stress.

so we kill off people through the death penalty and then traffic gets cleared up.......

how do people in jail contribute to traffic anywayz??? well i guess there's less people driving to the jail for visitation.

No, you totally missed my point here. You kill the people first before they go to jail, which means before they get the death penalty they’re already dead. So technically since they never reach the court’s “death penalty” to begin with, statistically the numbers of legal executions will drop significantly.

so we kill people before rendering them guilty? or do we just randomly wack a few people? or do we give em a trial and then, after a guilty verdict, just kill em without giving em lag time on death row?

and HOW does this help traffic?
in order to have traffic problems, you gotta have millions of commuters at one time. what's the most amount on death row in a given county? can't be more than a few hundred. even if it's 1000, how does removing 1000 commuters do any good at clearing up traffic?

I don't believe in killing, because I love everyone.. even you. But hypothetically speaking here like I said above.. The rise in traffic, ozone depletion, pollution, crime, etc.. is all caused by the rise of population. That’s not a very hard equation is it? It’s a sociological fact. Now, let’s take that same equation and first reduce the number of people in the world; naturally the traffic, ozone depletion, pollution, and crime will go down as well. That’s all I’m saying, because I was addressing that if you have more people, you have more crime, which means more people in jail, which means more people on death-row. Now we can avoid all of that if we stop with this “human rights” crap. I know, it sounds nice.. but it’s killing our ozone layer because the more people that are aloud to live in this world, the more pollution there will be to kill our planet.

I'm saying a mass-planet saver... say, if we kill half of the world's people, our world will be healthier, cleaner, and will last longer. I am against the death penalty, but for mass.. mass killings.

these problems are because there's an extra few billion people around now. how does getting rid of a couple thousand even scratch the surface of ozone depletion?

It’s better to kill a whole family than just killing one member in it. Because if you kill the whole family and all of their immediate friends, no one will really morn as much as if you kept the family alive to begin with after killing one member of it. It’s the humane thing to do.

these problems are because there's an extra few billion people around now. how does getting rid of a couple thousand even scratch the surface of ozone depletion?

say, if we kill half of the world's people,

Damnit homie, it makes sense if you read the posts.

you need to just wait for a big natural disaster - one will come along - Its worlds way of keeping things in balance

Hitler's a bad.. bad man.. evil.. horrible.. BAD!! .. that's what the media tells you.. but now that you think about it, you realise that he might have been on to something huh?

Sl 167

I'm saying a mass-planet saver... say, if we kill half of the world's people, our world will be healthier, cleaner, and will last longer. I am against the death penalty, but for mass.. mass killings.

well i think that's why they made AIDS and dropped it off in south africa. nonetheless, i wouldn't advocate committing genocide on half of the human race just for cleaner ****ing air.

i do think we're a lil on the lenient side in regards to certain groups trying to make this world more miserable. and in regards to that, well that's where you get my "****em all, burn mutherfucer" attitude. BUT that's still a remote fraction of the human race.

sure the world's overpopulated. but there's a lot more efficient solution that's more of a......a...............balance between hitler approach vs. hippy approach.

well i think that's why they made AIDS and dropped it off in south africa. nonetheless, i wouldn't advocate committing genocide on half of the human race just for cleaner ****ing air.

i do think we're a lil on the lenient side in regards to certain groups trying to make this world more miserable. and in regards to that, well that's where you get my "****em all, burn mutherfucer" attitude. BUT that's still a remote fraction of the human race.

sure the world's overpopulated. but there's a lot more efficient solution that more of a......a...............balance between hitler approach vs. hippy approach.

Like forced sterilization? :biggthump

Mouse, you're a ****ing idiot. That's ok though, at least you think you're smart.

Anyways, I'm an optimist. I think that we will find solutions to our problems. Within 100 years, we'll have started colonies on the moon and probably Mars. Also, in the future I believe that the death penalty will be eradicated. We'll probably develop some sort of genome therapy with behavior modification to fix people that are ****ed in the head and make productive use of them rather than wherehouse them where they are ultimately useless. Obviously "rehabilition" has flopped enormously and punishment just does not work. We need an overhaul of how we deal with those non-productive and destructive members of society that just need that noggin full of loose wiring repaired. People are smart and science is picking up speed exponentially and astonishingly fast. We have a LOOOONG future in front us. Humanity will own it all.

You’re right... they need to make something cleaner and more effective than AIDS. Like maybe an airborne gas that kills all human and animal life within a 300 mile radius; of course it would have to be dropped off via airplane, but nonetheless it would work.

finding solutions for criminals through other means than death penalty is one thing. dealing with 3rd world countries who are populating WAYYYYY to much is another- and the BIGGER of the problem.

population is actually on the decrease in America and other western nations due to increased use of birth control and abortions. but we were never the problem anyways. the problem is stupid 3rd world country beliefs that the more children, the better.

i certainly don't think we should KILL off the people that are alive to deal with overpopulation. BUT we do need to find a way to control these baby-dishing rabbits. i say automatically sterilize every child born from an AIDS parent, as well as sterilize 3/4's of every child born clean.
when they get their population back to normal, THEN the food banks will help.

Well, I happen to agree with you on this Purity. But even if we don't sterilize them(which of course we should, in fact I'd wanna take it farther and say that NO ONE in ANY country is allowed to breed until they have proven that they will be able to support and properly raise their offspring) I don't think this will mean the end of humanity. We'll always find solutions and alternatives.