I'm 25 I work out and what not but i'm a garage boxer well its more of a pole barn i think i might get pretty good if i devote an hour 3 times a week to an actual boxing gym but the nearest one is 45min to 1 hour away so the 1 hour turns into 3 hours im gonna keep working out and ive only been on the boxing tip for like 2 months i have a few other things going for me im just gonna stick to sparring my friends if your opinion is that im going to be 30 before i get any where or i could start going to the gym next week if you think i might go pro with in a year or 2. The bag might be 50 or 60 pounds im not sure i got it from a friend but im 6'4" in comparison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoKPeJd8Xe0

Your pretty old for someone starting out, go to a gym and learn to punch correctly

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The worst attempt i have ever seen on the bag, sorry, but learn the basics m8.Why have the bag so low low aswell its a joke

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The worst attempt i have ever seen on the bag, sorry, but learn the basics m8.Why have the bag so low low aswell its a joke

not the worst but it's bad, tiny ass bag, switching stances, no guard.

Please, please, please spar me. Seriously. Get to a gym and learn how to punch.

if your serioos about boxing then go to a gym, in 1 years time you will laugh at that video and cringe at it.

slow down, stop flingin your arms about, punch coreclty, ....

go to a gym and you will leanr alot

Keep the bag stationary so you can focus on balance and form. Keep your hands up and maintain a more vertical stance instead of squaring up to the bag and punch off your lead foot- start with the jab and finish with a straight cross. Start with jabs and rights, try to focus on using bodyweight and hips and legs to get the power in the punches. I'm no trainer nor a boxer but I can see basic stuff- you are not balanced properly and too square.

Yeah definately need to work on keeping a stance when throwing the punches but i dont under stand how to throw a normal punch? are there videos on you tube of the correct way that you can point me to? that video i was just hitting the bag though i guess i should allways try to keep stance and guard so ill post a new video in a little once ive worked on stance and guard. If your from Pa or around Pa ill spar you i have no need to be afraid of anyone that dosent mean that i wont get my ass kicked though

Thanks for the advice

Really need a bigger bag im 205 so maybe 100 lb bag or bigger?

You admit you haven't been to a gym yet these people think they're God's gift because they've been to a boxing gym to learn boxing. OF COURSE HE CAN'T BOX, HE HASN'T BEEN TO A BOXING GYM, TWATS!

The bag you have is too small for you, it looks like a junior bag. If you want a punch bag make sure you have a heavy bag, you're a big guy so you don't want it to swing around so much.

You're too old for any coach to accept you into their team due to legal age restrictions.There are two types of boxing gym, one - you go and pay each session, you learn to box, slowly, usually a few quid a session. Two - You join a team, even before you're part of that team you train with the team and become part of the team, when good enough you officially join. Usually a few quid a week. The latter is out for you, so you're going to have to find a club who does the former, some do, some don't.

Always go to a boxing gym if you like boxing, you can't be a boxer though, the age limit is 35. You can to some extent train though and can still learn the techniques.

Looks like joe calzaghe.

use heavier gloves

i'm from USA dont know if there are different rules then from where there is quid about age im hoping maybe but so there is a private instruction place about an hour away as well that is 20$ a class for an hour so 2 classes a week would be 160-180 a month but are you saying that there is no way i could turn pro? the best would be a trainer? if i could go pro how long would it take me under the right trainer hour twice a week with 4 hours training 6 days a week?i might take up the private trainer and only go once a week if all i can be is a trainer.

i get the squareness from wing chun need to be more wedge like though better for deflecting punches slipping and countering i also get the punch from wing chun its like the motion comes from my leg to my elbow and then to my fist and at the same time it hits my elbow i start my shoulder whirl and they both arrive at my fist at the same time. maybe from the squareness i don't telegraph i don't really know or know if you can tell with the video though a lot of the time I'm not even inn the screen

why heavier gloves? for my knuckles or to slow me down? in wing chun i spent 6 months beating up a telephone pole 2 hours a week my knuckles are already messed up if anything and they aren't getting worse. if its for stamina and to slow me down then i have 16 oz everlast sparring gloves i could wear but i didn't know if that was ok for the gloves i thought i might tear the stitching

if your serioos about boxing then go to a gym, in 1 years time you will laugh at that video and cringe at it.

slow down, stop flingin your arms about, punch coreclty, ....

go to a gym and you will leanr alot

how did your first fight go mate?

i'm from USA dont know if there are different rules then from where there is quid about age im hoping maybe but so there is a private instruction place about an hour away as well that is 20$ a class for an hour so 2 classes a week would be 160-180 a month but are you saying that there is no way i could turn pro? the best would be a trainer? if i could go pro how long would it take me under the right trainer hour twice a week with 4 hours training 6 days a week?i might take up the private trainer and only go once a week if all i can be is a trainer.

i get the squareness from wing chun need to be more wedge like though better for deflecting punches slipping and countering i also get the punch from wing chun its like the motion comes from my leg to my elbow and then to my fist and at the same time it hits my elbow i start my shoulder whirl and they both arrive at my fist at the same time. maybe from the squareness i don't telegraph i don't really know or know if you can tell with the video though a lot of the time I'm not even inn the screen

why heavier gloves? for my knuckles or to slow me down? in wing chun i spent 6 months beating up a telephone pole 2 hours a week my knuckles are already messed up if anything and they aren't getting worse. if its for stamina and to slow me down then i have 16 oz everlast sparring gloves i could wear but i didn't know if that was ok for the gloves i thought i might tear the stitching

wing chun?

why are you beating on telephone poles?

wooden dummy the thing with 3 arms and a leg Mook jong or Mook yan jong i think conditions the knuckles, fore arms, and stuff not so much for the bone more so for the muscle maybe for the bone in the knuckles case

are you saying that there is no way i could turn pro?

You could turn pro' as that technically does not have an age limit, but you must pass a dr's medical. Reality is though, nobody would pay to watch an ageing man box. Also I don't know American laws, it could be that you have to be an amateur for a certain amount before you can become pro'.

Even if you were pro, 2 sessions a week wouldn't cut it, it'd be no less than 5, probs.

You can learn to box, but you can't be a boxer, sorry.

As for $20, are you serious?! I go between three gyms in the course of a year because of University. One is £4 a week ($8 dollars) which works out in between £1 or £1.33 a session! ($2-$2.66), one, I consider really expensive, that's £5, which is $10. The final one is, well free for me for some reason, but should only be £1 a session, so that's $2 a session. $20 a session is mega-expensive.

Watch pro fighters hitting the heavy bag. They have a bunch under the videos section. That will give you some kind of idea.

the 20 is for private sessions just me and a trainer there is a gym option that is an hour away as well its only 10$ a month free if your under 18.

So if i try really hard and give the people a reason to come out and see me then i might make something out of myself perhaps 1st or second round knock outs undefeated or something nah now im just getting ****y

Thanks for all the advice i think right now im going to get a heavier bag but first im just going to string it up higher and see if that helps with the swinging also work on keeping stance but i could also be unorthodox cuz some punches just work better with my right foot out but most work well with my left in front also keeping guard up when hitting the bag perhaps even some bob and weaving but before i start learning in a gym (probalbly the 10 dollar a month one) im going to try to get my self up to 6 miles in 40 min 6 times a week that way i wont have much in order to catch up to the training all i have to do is learn and i learn at a decent rate probably because i work hard not because i'm special

learn to jab and footwork
good luck man

how did your first fight go mate?

i came in lighter than i shud off and he came in hevier than he should of, there was a 3kg diffrence in weight with him being 3kg heavier than me, so my trainer called it off,
i really wanted to box him though, so i might be boxing him soon agian anyway,

howd you know i got a fight coming up...?

i came in lighter than i shud off and he came in hevier than he should of, there was a 3kg diffrence in weight with him being 3kg heavier than me, so my trainer called it off,
i really wanted to box him though, so i might be boxing him soon agian anyway,

howd you know i got a fight coming up...?

you just need to be a bit more realistic you shouldnt even be thinking about turning pro without any experience and in all fairness you dont look like youve got a lot of flare for boxing witch you would want as soon as you put some gloves on if you were thinking of turning pro without any amateur fights.............. that doesnt mean you couldnt be a boxer though your best bet is to aim to get a decent number of amateur bouts trust me that aint an easy thing besides you dont even know if youll like it yet.......... oh yeah and although the running is good and necessary for any fighter boxing is a totally different exercise to running you need to be conditioned for short explosive work with a quick recovery rate your best bet is to go to a club as soon as possible and see if you enjoy it

flare? like charisma? like that thing where you walk in front of group of people and they are just compelled to be quite and listen? Im just like that instead of listening they just stare maybe its because i usually dont have anything to say maybe its because i average half a foot taller then most people and im a large guy maybe its because i tripped and fell on my ass on my way into the room and maybe its just PURE Flare? But i do have to ability to go into a crowded room and have everyone look at me at the same time....Then they all go back to their conversations at the same time. so at 25 i could still be in an amature league? one of the main things i was interested in was the golden gloves and thats amateur right? Perhaps if i get in a gym this week and start learning would something like state golden glove champ be possible by next march when i think sign up is. also is amateur heavy weight 195? i read that some where but i dont remember if it was a reliable source.

Ummm I know that about running right now im doing 3 miles 5 days a week in 25 min or less and a 2 hour jog on the weekends at a realaxed speed no stopping out doors but the long run is just with a friend and not for boxing (hes working up to a marathon). for the 3 miles if im on the tread i do .09 at 6 mph jogging then .06 at 10 mph the second mile at 11 mph for the .6 and the third back at 10 mph for the .6 If im on the road i usually do 15-18 sprints in the 3 miles.(.06 = 100 meters) this is to get me used to 10 mph once i hit 6 miles everyday then ill do like .2 sprint to .1 jogging and just keep increaing as long as my legs hold out every day. my main goal for 6 miles in 40 min would be 6 min at 10 mph with a min walking then another 6 min at 10mph then minute walk and this would be something that i will do atleast 5 times a week + a long run? Sound like a good jogging routine for a soon to be champ?

Ill be calling up the 10$ a month gym that is an hour away today after work maybe head up there and see how they are recently read in the papers one of their fighters turned pro http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/today/index.ssf/2009/03/bethlehem_boxing_club_reputati.html

also raised my bag so the yellow everlast is about eye level still swings like all get out tried it with my 16 oz gloves and get the bag stuck in the rafters a few times seems like the bag bounces away even more with the bigger gloves. Gotta get a heavier bag or well im not really sure but it is a 30 inch from top to bottom 60 pound bag

this maybe a stupid question because ive never been to the gym but when i try to be in guard i have my left shoulder raised and my chin tucked in tight against not like my necks straining to reach my shoulder and my shoulders straining to reach my neck more so they meet somewhere in the middle comfortably my right hand about an inch or 2 in infront of my chin on the right and my left out about 8-10 inches leading. is this a good habit that will help me in the ring?

by flare i mean when you put on a pair of boxing gloves for the first time and your very good very quickly

wow...that's the most amazing ***** i've ever seen. You should go pro and make some money.

Oh my god.

Really thanks squabbles i mean im sure it doesn't hold a candle to the amazing promotion heavy bag video your going to make one day but i tried my best and i guess some people recognize skill when they see it or not.....I called 3 gyms no answer no call back......i think i had a better chance with my original goal in ****.....any one gonna answer my stance question? oh well thats the stance ive been practicing also since ive raised the bag i think i tend to punch alittle more normal less like joe calagazanegazne (though he is undefeated) or how ever its spelled. bet you all cant wait for video # 2 next weekend

PS Squabbles im guessing that was sarcasm though i await an awesome video from you. After reading through many threads oftenly do i see your posts you seem intelligent and like you know what your talking about.

Really thanks squabbles i mean im sure it doesn't hold a candle to the amazing promotion heavy bag video your going to make one day but i tried my best and i guess some people recognize skill when they see it or not.....I called 3 gyms no answer no call back......i think i had a better chance with my original goal in ****.....any one gonna answer my stance question? oh well thats the stance ive been practicing also since ive raised the bag i think i tend to punch alittle more normal less like joe calagazanegazne (though he is undefeated) or how ever its spelled. bet you all cant wait for video # 2 next weekend

PS Squabbles im guessing that was sarcasm though i await an awesome video from you. After reading through many threads oftenly do i see your posts you seem intelligent and like you know what your talking about.


HA Ha Ha!!! ****!!! Do both...boxing ****...Ha Ha ha...

It wasn't extreme sarcasm...i'd italicize that type of stuff.

If you wanna box. I say box. 25? *****... don't pay no attention to the youngsters sayin you're too old. I'll put it this way: if you gots balls to put up a video for the world to see, not caring how you look, then you got enough balls to step into a ring and box.

Don't call gyms, show up. Just show up and talk to the trainer. Then they'll know you're serious.

I say Box. Real talk, no disrespect.

Really thanks squabbles i mean im sure it doesn't hold a candle to the amazing promotion heavy bag video your going to make one day but i tried my best and i guess some people recognize skill when they see it or not.....I called 3 gyms no answer no call back......i think i had a better chance with my original goal in ****.....any one gonna answer my stance question? oh well thats the stance ive been practicing also since ive raised the bag i think i tend to punch alittle more normal less like joe calagazanegazne (though he is undefeated) or how ever its spelled. bet you all cant wait for video # 2 next weekend

PS Squabbles im guessing that was sarcasm though i await an awesome video from you. After reading through many threads oftenly do i see your posts you seem intelligent and like you know what your talking about.

you dont need an call back just turn up to your closest gym i cant imagine them turning you away unless you **** about

Really thanks squabbles i mean im sure it doesn't hold a candle to the amazing promotion heavy bag video your going to make one day but i tried my best and i guess some people recognize skill when they see it or not.....I called 3 gyms no answer no call back......i think i had a better chance with my original goal in ****.....any one gonna answer my stance question? oh well thats the stance ive been practicing also since ive raised the bag i think i tend to punch alittle more normal less like joe calagazanegazne (though he is undefeated) or how ever its spelled. bet you all cant wait for video # 2 next weekend

PS Squabbles im guessing that was sarcasm though i await an awesome video from you. After reading through many threads oftenly do i see your posts you seem intelligent and like you know what your talking about.

don't take this the wrong way, because I dont know you, and I havent posted on here in a long while, but your posts are rather ridculous. You ask how many hours a day and how many days a week and what distances you need to run and if that'll get you pro in a year or 2. WHAT?!?!? every single person on here is different and it might take some kid to put on boxing gloves once and he's a natural, and someone else can train for years before he has the fundamentals down. You're asking extremely broad questions. I'm assuming you want some sort of positive feedback and someone to jus tell you that you can make it, but only you can decide if you can make it, well you AND A TRAINER. as far as your video goes, it's bad. And I dont mean this in a rude way, but its just plain bad (not the worst, but bad). You have NO form, no technique, and no crispness. You seem like you're just flailing your arms about to hit something on the target. Your stance, also bad, WAY too square, and not quick enough movement. You need to angle your body so that the least amount of possible target is available to your opponent. hands ALWAY up protecting your head, and elbows in, and move your head. Glide on your feet dont just trample around from spot to spot, and hit the bag when it comes to you, not when its swingin all over the place, slip the bag, side step it, and GET A BIGGER BAG, like way bigger. Instead of asking if running 5 miles or sprinting 1/4 mile will get you in the pro ranks, get a to a real trainer and start training your ass off and sparring as much as you can, then decide whether or not you can make it. This is a sport like no other, and you cant jus go somewhere and learn it real quick and be the best. it takes YEARS and YEARS of hard work and dedication and training beyond your wildest dreams. Again, done take this as disrespect, but you sound kinda stupid, or just living in a fantasy world.

You mentioned you were in PA, if you're anywhere near Philly, get to a gym in the city, ASAP!! you wont regret it...

You mentioned you were in PA, if you're anywhere near Philly, get to a gym in the city, ASAP!! you wont regret it...


Yo, word on the streets is that they got tough ass gyms in Philly.

i came in lighter than i shud off and he came in hevier than he should of, there was a 3kg diffrence in weight with him being 3kg heavier than me, so my trainer called it off,
i really wanted to box him though, so i might be boxing him soon agian anyway,

howd you know i got a fight coming up...?

I call 'BULL****'

Yo, word on the streets is that they got tough ass gyms in Philly.

the word is true.

No disrespect taken thanks for new advice mainly the gliding part and not stomping around as far as running i consider what exercises i do like running jumping rope and going to the gym(weights) really have nothing to do with actual boxing training and i think you have the same opinion? where as speed bag heavy bag shadowing sparing and the mitts would be actual training. So what im saying is not hey if i can run 6 miles can i be a pro more like

hey i run 6 miles in 40 min everyday do you think if i joined a boxing gym and trained in boxing specific training 4 times harder then i do in non all the way up to heavyweight champ would i ever have to run farther and faster then that everyday?

hmmm Philly .....well its not actually any farther then most the gyms i called today but im kinda frightened.... shaved heads and philly dont go well together, maybe its just a sterotype and correct me if im wrong but ive gotten some mighty unfrendly looks from people since i started shaving my head,and i get lost easily but if you go to a gym in philly and want to recommend it as well as any other gyms you think are good in philly i will definitely look into them but i would be hoping for something not far from i 95 northeast area

i think im actually going to stick with the bag i have. i raised it up and in a semi crouched position i can slip the bag right over my shoulder and side stepping is fun bobbing and weaving is boring after the first time unless you come up with a hook and then have to bob the other way then come up with another hook and repeat kinda fun in theory if i could actually do it more then 3 times. guess ill work on that also slipping the bag and countering the air would be fun but i need to stick to stance while doing all this and i dont want to be doing the wrong stance so im to assume my description of the stance is correct since i haven't gotten any comments.

also thanks for the slipping and side stepping advice when i started writing this i actually hadnt gone out to try it yet but sometime in the middle of writing this a friend came over and i decided to go out and try it out

No disrespect taken thanks for new advice mainly the gliding part and not stomping around as far as running i consider what exercises i do like running jumping rope and going to the gym(weights) really have nothing to do with actual boxing training and i think you have the same opinion? where as speed bag heavy bag shadowing sparing and the mitts would be actual training. So what im saying is not hey if i can run 6 miles can i be a pro more like

hey i run 6 miles in 40 min everyday do you think if i joined a boxing gym and trained in boxing specific training 4 times harder then i do in non all the way up to heavyweight champ would i ever have to run farther and faster then that everyday?

hmmm Philly .....well its not actually any farther then most the gyms i called today but im kinda frightened.... shaved heads and philly dont go well together, maybe its just a sterotype and correct me if im wrong but ive gotten some mighty unfrendly looks from people since i started shaving my head,and i get lost easily but if you go to a gym in philly and want to recommend it as well as any other gyms you think are good in philly i will definitely look into them but i would be hoping for something not far from i 95 northeast area

i think im actually going to stick with the bag i have. i raised it up and in a semi crouched position i can slip the bag right over my shoulder and side stepping is fun bobbing and weaving is boring after the first time unless you come up with a hook and then have to bob the other way then come up with another hook and repeat kinda fun in theory if i could actually do it more then 3 times. guess ill work on that also slipping the bag and countering the air would be fun but i need to stick to stance while doing all this and i dont want to be doing the wrong stance so im to assume my description of the stance is correct since i haven't gotten any comments.

also thanks for the slipping and side stepping advice when i started writing this i actually hadnt gone out to try it yet but sometime in the middle of writing this a friend came over and i decided to go out and try it out

running 6 miles in 40 minutes is not bad at all. as far as you asking if that's all you'll have to run, well thats up to you. some fighters dont do roadwork, some live by it, so it depends.

you're frightened to come down the city because you shave your head?!?!?! dude I dono what the hell that means man. I shave my head and I got no beefs in Philly wit anyone. When you go to the gym at first of course they're gonna treat you like a newbie, but that dont mean they wont help you out. dont be scared homie, this is BOXING, which, by the way, isnt a sport for you to practice with friends. you need professional training and supervision under a trainer. bite the bullet and find a good gym in the city. there aint much to work with in the northeast, trust me, i know.

where would you reccomend and what about good gyms that arnt far from I95?

and i didnt take advice from my friend or anything the most id have any friend do is throw punches at me whiel i just defend and move but i know what you mean they arnt trying to hit me hard just fast

where would you reccomend and what about good gyms that arnt far from I95?

go to boxinggyms.com and check those out. of course thats not all of em, but its a start. jus go down to a few and tell them what you're about, and start training, and if it aint your thing, find another gym. trainers will tell you where the good spots are at, its a tight knit fraternity in the boxing world.

Some good ones I know of are

Joe Hand Gym
Harrowgate Boxing Club
Joe Frazier's Gym

...to name a few...

Harrowgate Boxing Club is probably the one for me it seems to be the closest but i will probably check out the joe hand place whiel im down there. The frazier place might be closer but i know back roads to I95.

Im an idiot perhaps the gyms I called ealier are closed for easter monday . I guess ill wait till tomorrow see if i get some calls back see if any of that sounds decent and make a few calls to the philly gyms if not.(tried harrowgate no answer)

atleast i hope most gyms are open before noon dont want to be heading home in traffic or down there in traffic

Flying bag

Harrowgate Boxing Club is probably the one for me it seems to be the closest but i will probably check out the joe hand place whiel im down there. The frazier place might be closer but i know back roads to I95.

Im an idiot perhaps the gyms I called ealier are closed for easter monday . I guess ill wait till tomorrow see if i get some calls back see if any of that sounds decent and make a few calls to the philly gyms if not.(tried harrowgate no answer)

atleast i hope most gyms are open before noon dont want to be heading home in traffic or down there in traffic

most gyms I been to dont open before 4pm or so. Of course some are open all day, but I think the ones you called today are open from like 4pm-9pm or something like that. try later today.

Are you kelly pavlik?

joke ..u need a gym and learn how to punch ..you should start just doing straight punching left right and always bring the fists back to the sides of ur head..then mix it up a bit..left left right and so on and move.

You pwned that bag.

You pwned that bag.
You pwned this thread.

You pwned that bag.

Yeah i gots the mad skills.

here's a more recent video from october.

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you can critique it if you want but ive improved since october just as i had improved since april when i had made this video above so you might just be pointing out things ive already improved upon.

you're not too old to be a boxer...but u need to go to a boxin gym and gotta lear how to box,u need somebody to tech u and a lot of sparing,then some amateure fights...then if u gotta dream and wanna make true then go pro and see how far u can go...but u need a lot of heart and balls to go pro..and work hard,but first is first,go to a gym and be a good student if u wanna be a boxer...

Brings back distant memories of a young Charlie Zelenoff

you're not too old to be a boxer...but u need to go to a boxin gym and gotta lear how to box,u need somebody to tech u and a lot of sparing,then some amateure fights...then if u gotta dream and wanna make true then go pro and see how far u can go...but u need a lot of heart and balls to go pro..and work hard,but first is first,go to a gym and be a good student if u wanna be a boxer...

Gyms suck, I'm much better off training myself. like a bunch of low iq retards are going to know anything about boxing besides what they think they know about boxing. I might be better off trying to convince the pope that some aspects of Buddhism's is better then Christianity then trying to get good at boxing while listening to most these coaches.

i bet 90% of the coaches out there dont even know the diffrence between a right straight and a right cross.

Brings back distant memories of a young Charlie Zelenoff

I pwn that foo he aint got no skillz like me.

TS, you must be trolling. You want to become Golden Gloves amatuer champion next year, and become pro in the next 2-3 years. In your latest post you state you don't need trainers and that most of them don't know anything anyway.

You sir, are a troll.

If you are serious, get to a gym and listen to your trainer. No great boxer ever got as far as he did swinging wildly at a heavy bag in his polebarn.

trainers are morons just repeating the same things that their trainer told them which their trainers told them which their trainers told them meanwhile they wonder why they've only become trainers.

atleast thats my opinion on MMA trainers.

TS, you must be trolling. You want to become Golden Gloves amatuer champion next year, and become pro in the next 2-3 years. In your latest post you state you don't need trainers and that most of them don't know anything anyway.

You sir, are a troll.

If you are serious, get to a gym and listen to your trainer. No great boxer ever got as far as he did swinging wildly at a heavy bag in his polebarn.

**** changes after a year, i no longer have aspirations of grandeur.

do you know the difference between a right cross and a right straight?

this is weird. title says "should i start going to a gym" and then you just say gyms suck and 90% of the trainers are mentally retarded and dont know **** about boxing :liar:

go to a gym man, you wont make any progress when all you do is hit the bag a little at home and maybe do some crunches after that. you cant push yourself the way trainers do. and age doesnt matter unless youre 40 or something you still have every chance to become a pro and what not if you are dedicated. but you gotta get somebody to coach you otherwise you are just wasting your time and you pick up a lot of bad habits that the more you train on your own the harder it gets to get rid of.

(unless you are trolling of course, because i still cant believe you actually said what you said earlier about gyms and trainers)

ya he is trolling, these are videos of another guy that posted them sometime back; ylem, if i remember correctly

this is weird. title says "should i start going to a gym" and then you just say gyms suck and 90% of the trainers are mentally retarded and dont know **** about boxing :liar:

go to a gym man, you wont make any progress when all you do is hit the bag a little at home and maybe do some crunches after that. you cant push yourself the way trainers do. and age doesnt matter unless youre 40 or something you still have every chance to become a pro and what not if you are dedicated. but you gotta get somebody to coach you otherwise you are just wasting your time and you pick up a lot of bad habits that the more you train on your own the harder it gets to get rid of.

(unless you are trolling of course, because i still cant believe you actually said what you said earlier about gyms and trainers)

do you know the difference between a right cross and a right straight?

i cant push my self the way trainers do? doubtful in fact simply out of spite i wouldn't push at all with a trainer till he learned how to show some respect or if perhaps he could tell me the difference between a right straight and a right cross.

ya he is trolling, these are videos of another guy that posted them sometime back; ylem, if i remember correctly

Yeah thats me and this is the same thread that i made some time back maybe like a few days after i had joined this site and hung up my bag for the first time how and why the thread got bumped im not quite sure.

if you want to see a more recent video i posted one on the previous page but thats still 6 months old.

well you look 35 not 25 for starters, that first video was just a wild swing at the bag which is what i used to do but that new video shows huge signs of improvement and i think u deserve **** loads of respect for doing this and putting it up on a forum that is filled with haters, relax dude dw about the hate there jealous they ain't got the balls to put their videos up, just go to a gym for 2 years get some serious training done and u'll be aight.

I like anyone who has a dig, and putting yourself out there for the scrutiny of an entire forum, well that takes e-balls.

But i just gotta say if your missing the bag with wild hooks chances are you might have some difficulty hitting a moving opponent thats throwing back =]

Lulz, I subscribed. :D

Your just a chump

Gyms suck, I'm much better off training myself. like a bunch of low iq retards are going to know anything about boxing besides what they think they know about boxing. I might be better off trying to convince the pope that some aspects of Buddhism's is better then Christianity then trying to get good at boxing while listening to most these coaches.

i bet 90% of the coaches out there dont even know the diffrence between a right straight and a right cross.



I pwn that foo he aint got no skillz like me.

Good stuff in the more recent video mate, you've obviously improved.

I do think you should go to a gym though. Even if the coaching if shoddy, at least you'd get a chance to spar and whatnot. Different people are different, but for me I'd say it helps with motivation as well. It's easy to take an extra 30 seconds break at home, but not at a gym as everyone else is there and you'd look bad (or at least unfit or lazy).

Most of the responses in this thread are from idiots with no experience and aren't worth listening to, though you probably know that already.

I haven't been to my gym for ages and don't train anymore, but to give you an example of how I think it might help: I like to step in with the jab, and have some bodyweight behind it, and when I sparred a smaller, faster opponent I did a good job of keeping them at the ideal range and boxing well even though they were pretty good(IMO). But when I sparred someone who was slightly bigger than myself and who didn't move much, everytime I tried to throw the jab that way they'd easily see it coming, then block/parry/slip and counter. Obviously something I learned from this was to shorten it up a bit, and to throw differently. A sparring partner will keep you thinking, a punchbag will not.

Another thing I realised is that I put too much weight on my front foot, which makes it a lot easier to move to the left than to the right, so I had to learn to move to my right better so as to circle away from the power hand of most people. Without sparring I probably wouldn't have noticed that.

Even sparring with your friends will probably not help your development a great deal as they won't challenge you as much as a proper sparring partner would.

Just my 2 cents.

Good stuff in the more recent video mate, you've obviously improved.



I noticed that as well.

It's a damn shame. :nonono:

Looks like joe calzaghe.

i co-sign this........in blood

I think this is a joke, I've seen another user post the same exact video, unless they are one in the same person.

You've said "tell the difference between and right straight and a right cross" at least 5-6 times. It seems as if you think knowing that(which is a pretty easy question and I guarantee 90% of trainers COULD answer that) determines whether or not you know enough about boxing. Obviously you have improved tremendously from the first video to the second video, but if you refuse to go to a gym and find a trainer, then the only opponent you will ever face is that bag and your skills will plateau instead of continuing to improve. No pro athlete in any sport would be a pro without coaching. That includes boxing. The way you are making it sound, you know everything there is to know about boxing and there is nothing anyone could tell you that you didn't already know. Well, guess what, even the best trainers don't know everything. But they know a lot more than you give them credit for.

You've said "tell the difference between and right straight and a right cross" at least 5-6 times. It seems as if you think knowing that(which is a pretty easy question and I guarantee 90% of trainers COULD answer that) determines whether or not you know enough about boxing. Obviously you have improved tremendously from the first video to the second video, but if you refuse to go to a gym and find a trainer, then the only opponent you will ever face is that bag and your skills will plateau instead of continuing to improve. No pro athlete in any sport would be a pro without coaching. That includes boxing. The way you are making it sound, you know everything there is to know about boxing and there is nothing anyone could tell you that you didn't already know. Well, guess what, even the best trainers don't know everything. But they know a lot more than you give them credit for.

There is a difference between the right straight and the right cross?

Right cross is usually a term for a right hand that goes over an opponents lead (Left shoulder.)

i never been to a gym either and i dont box like that lol, the bag is really really small i def recomend a bigger one. my problem is making combos i usually do same ones over and over,

I'm 25 I work out and what not but i'm a garage boxer well its more of a pole barn i think i might get pretty good if i devote an hour 3 times a week to an actual boxing gym but the nearest one is 45min to 1 hour away so the 1 hour turns into 3 hours im gonna keep working out and ive only been on the boxing tip for like 2 months i have a few other things going for me im just gonna stick to sparring my friends if your opinion is that im going to be 30 before i get any where or i could start going to the gym next week if you think i might go pro with in a year or 2. The bag might be 50 or 60 pounds im not sure i got it from a friend but im 6'4" in comparison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoKPeJd8Xe0

I think you would do great against a fighter with no experience with a height of 5' 3"..lol

Another thing I realised is that I put too much weight on my front foot, which makes it a lot easier to move to the left than to the right, so I had to learn to move to my right better so as to circle away from the power hand of most people. Without sparring I probably wouldn't have noticed that.


I purposely dont move around as much in the second video. i find that i actually have a much easier time moving to my right then my left its just that if i put the bag in the middle of the screen and move around the whole bag alot of times my body is cut off so i purposely place the bag off center in the screen and only moved around that side. since then ive moved the camera back alot fruther but now theres 2 bars in the screen from the rack its sitting on.

You've said "tell the difference between and right straight and a right cross" at least 5-6 times. It seems as if you think knowing that(which is a pretty easy question and I guarantee 90% of trainers COULD answer that) determines whether or not you know enough about boxing. Obviously you have improved tremendously from the first video to the second video, but if you refuse to go to a gym and find a trainer, then the only opponent you will ever face is that bag and your skills will plateau instead of continuing to improve. No pro athlete in any sport would be a pro without coaching. That includes boxing. The way you are making it sound, you know everything there is to know about boxing and there is nothing anyone could tell you that you didn't already know. Well, guess what, even the best trainers don't know everything. But they know a lot more than you give them credit for.

who was Dempsey's coach?

im sure people could tell me things that i should be doing though i would understand the purpose to their advice and mold it in with the thousand other things ive heard on the same thing and make my own decision on if and how i should use the advice and if their advice can be improved upon.

Right cross is usually a term for a right hand that goes over an opponents lead (Left shoulder.)

half way there, its not just a punch but a situation. if a coach told me this i would think him using logic and not knowledge and ask him as well why there is no left cross. to which if he told me either there is if your south paw or there isnt because you only lead with your left shoulder and should only swing in with your right on that shoulder id tell him hes wrong and go some where else.

as well i could ask the diffrence between an over hand right and a right cross then.

who was Dempsey's coach?

im sure people could tell me things that i should be doing though i would understand the purpose to their advice and mold it in with the thousand other things ive heard on the same thing and make my own decision on if and how i should use the advice and if their advice can be improved upon.



half way there, its not just a punch but a situation. if a coach told me this i would think him using logic and not knowledge and ask him as well why there is no left cross. to which if he told me either there is if your south paw or there isnt because you only lead with your left shoulder and should only swing in with your right on that shoulder id tell him hes wrong and go some where else.

as well i could ask the diffrence between an over hand right and a right cross then.

First off, Dempsey fought 80+ ago, times have changed. Also, by what your saying, instead of following your trainer's advice, you would question everything they say and be a smart ass. Oh yea, I forgot, you know everything there is to know about boxing and every technique. You seem to have potential because of how much improvement you showed from one video to the other, and if you stop being so stubborn, you could reach your potential. But with how stubborn you are being, maybe a gym wouldn't be the best thing because all it would do is frustrate your and your trainer. Good luck with that because if Dempsey could do it close to a century ago, you could do it now. I may sound a little rude but I mean no disrespect, it's just frustrating because like I said, you look like you could turn out to be pretty decent as you've already shown tremendous improvement. It's just your too stubborn to want to go to a gym and take advice form other people.

First off, Dempsey fought 80+ ago, times have changed. Also, by what your saying, instead of following your trainer's advice, you would question everything they say and be a smart ass. Oh yea, I forgot, you know everything there is to know about boxing and every technique. You seem to have potential because of how much improvement you showed from one video to the other, and if you stop being so stubborn, you could reach your potential. But with how stubborn you are being, maybe a gym wouldn't be the best thing because all it would do is frustrate your and your trainer. Good luck with that because if Dempsey could do it close to a century ago, you could do it now. I may sound a little rude but I mean no disrespect, it's just frustrating because like I said, you look like you could turn out to be pretty decent as you've already shown tremendous improvement. It's just your too stubborn to want to go to a gym and take advice form other people.

Id take advice from competent people i never said all trainers are idiots just 90% and unfortunately in my area there arnt any that are in that 10% range.

I dont do things if i dont know why im doing them and if my trainer has me doing them and cant answer my questions about why im doing things then he has no right having me do those things let alone train me.

I take plenty of advice from other people but everything i take i scrutinize and learn as much about as possible. if some one tells me something i try it in sparring i try it on the bag try it shadow boxing i imagine every situation that it can be done in what can follow it what can come before it, i look it up online and see what other people have to say about it i dedicate hours and even days to just that little aspect. from all that i learn about that one little aspect inside and out but on top of that ive gained a massive wealth of knowledge on everything that that little aspect influences. this practice repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over again over the past year has brought me to the point where yes i would say i know most there is to know about boxing but if perhaps something did come up where i didn't know about it i would NOT blindly listen to a coach just because hes my coach and he tells me to do it i would continue with my practice of scrutinizing every little detail unfortunately though 90% of coaches are robots that would only tell me "shut up, this is a group activity now go back to what i told you to do just like everybody else."

Yeah... go to a gym, boxing isnt something that can be self taught nor can any other type of martial art. It's like the 14 year old kids in sherdog, look I know you can watch UFC and imitate what they are doing, but you don't actually know the art and will get lit up by an actual practitioner

Yeah... go to a gym, boxing isnt something that can be self taught nor can any other type of martial art. It's like the 14 year old kids in sherdog, look I know you can watch UFC and imitate what they are doing, but you don't actually know the art and will get lit up by an actual practitioner

I dont watch boxing and imitate what their doing.

my personal opinion is that watching any sport is a worthless activity that people only do so they can have something to talk about because otherwise their a boring person.

i watch myself and imitate what my vast knowledge tells me i should be doing.

He's trolling, Lets just end this.

He's trolling, Lets just end this.

So whats the diffrence between a right cross and an overhand right?

im not trolling i just want people to realize that the problem with boxing today is the massive amount of worthless greedy trainers that do nothing but lead you down the same path where you pay the same membership ever month for the next 15 years of your life succeeding at nothing cept wasting 15 years regardless of how much effort you put out.

if you want to be good at boxing say f**k coaches and educate your self on the sweet science and then go about finding a quality coach that will actually listen to your opinion.

my personal opinion is that watching any sport is a worthless activity that people only do so they can have something to talk about because otherwise their a boring person.

This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever seen.

Aside from thinking that you can teach yourself something that you don't know, you now think you can psychoanalyse every sports fan in the world in one fell swoop. Hilarious. It's also brilliant that a genius such as yourself doesn't know the difference between 'their' and 'they're'.

Maybe you can teach yourself to spell if you have any time left between armchair psychology and giving yourself boxing lessons.

This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever seen.

Aside from thinking that you can teach yourself something that you don't know, you now think you can psychoanalyze every sports fan in the world in one fell swoop. Hilarious. It's also brilliant that a genius such as yourself doesn't know the difference between 'their' and 'they're'.

Maybe you can teach yourself to spell if you have any time left between armchair psychology and giving yourself boxing lessons.

Touche....i always get that wrong.....

id imagine its more of a grammar issue though as i did spell their correct just it wasn't the correct word for the sentence.

not every sports fan just the ones that only watch the sports and wouldn't be caught dead actually playing them.

Touche....i always get that wrong.....

id imagine its more of a grammar issue though as i did spell their correct just it wasn't the correct word for the sentence.

not every sports fan just the ones that only watch the sports and wouldn't be caught dead actually playing them.

Yeah maybe with the really popular stuff or big events like the Super Bowl, but not with boxing. None of my friends even like boxing, I'm guessing it's the same for a lot of people on here.

Yeah maybe with the really popular stuff or big events like the Super Bowl, but not with boxing. None of my friends even like boxing, I'm guessing it's the same for a lot of people on here.

maybe, your point results in me thinking of other points against my argument like to see how good players are and who their gonna compete against next and and weather or not their competition is going to be tough that really isnt just about saying to tom did you see when # 56 caught that pass or when #82 got that rebound.

it may all result in conversation but i can see how people have more invested into it then just so they have something to talk about to pass the time.

and in case any one wants to know a right cross is a counter where your opponent gets lazy and stops raising his lead shoulder when he jabs. what you do then is time the jabs so you can slip it over your right shoulder as you come in with an overhand right combining the force of him coming forward to punch you and you going forward and punching him. the slipping of the jab, the combination of the forces, and your right hand crossing over their jabbing arm specifically makes a right cross a right cross.

a left cross should never be done because that would require you slipping their right over your left while you come in with a left straight and there should never be enough room between your chin and your lead shoulder to slip a punch between there while your punching.

Are you huffing gasoline? I can't understand anything you just said.

Are you huffing gasoline? I can't understand anything you just said.

the part about the sports? i was saying that after taking cleggs points into perspective and analyzing the situation i found him to be correct and make a good point admitting myself wrong in claiming that all people who watch sports only do it for conversation due to their boring lives.

I dont watch boxing and imitate what their doing.

my personal opinion is that watching any sport is a worthless activity that people only do so they can have something to talk about because otherwise their a boring person.

i watch myself and imitate what my vast knowledge tells me i should be doing.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

So your vast knowledge is better than someone who has done it professionally? or someone competing in the amatures?

So your vast knowledge is better than someone who has done it professionally? or someone competing in the amatures?

Yes and no?

90+% amateurs and 40+% professionals.

pros have to think on their feet more though given a situation never encountered i bet i could come out above atleast 40%

amateurs just blindly listen to their coach for the most part and 90% of coaches know s**t so id say my vast knowledge is above at least 90% of the amateurs.

not that im anywhere near better then those %'s just that im more knowledgeable.

Yes and no?

90+% amateurs and 40+% professionals.

pros have to think on their feet more though given a situation never encountered i bet i could come out above atleast 40%

amateurs just blindly listen to their coach for the most part and 90% of coaches know s**t so id say my vast knowledge is above at least 90% of the amateurs.

not that im anywhere near better then those %'s just that im more knowledgeable.

I like how your saying all this complete bs, when clearly in the video your a retarded beano, who wouldn't fight his way out a paper bag :fing02:

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Your so great, your Jaw's been completely smashed, Your arm's are getting tangled, and your getting ruined on your inside. Your missing the BAG allot, Dude my 6 year old brother could put you asleep.

this video mustta been made just for laughs, plus that bags way to light,

I like how your saying all this complete bs, when clearly in the video your a retarded beano, who wouldn't fight his way out a paper bag :fing02:

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thats some mad skills man you see how high that bags going? That bag weighs atleast 40 lbs man 40lbs!!!!! you just dont have the skills to see my skill thats all. if you were awesome like me the skill level would be beyond clear.

no but really using advice on the forums, my own intelligence, and all the knowledge that i had picked up half a year ago i went from that to this in 6 months. Yeah on my own no trainer coach or any of that ****.
Yeah i gots the mad skills.

here's a more recent video from october.

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you can critique it if you want but ive improved since october just as i had improved since april when i had made this video above so you might just be pointing out things ive already improved upon.

its not impressive but im a very competent person as far as teaching myself something and its not that bad.

ridicule me if you want but ive probably gotten further in 6 months on my own then you could in a year with a trainer.

Yes and no?

90+% amateurs and 40+% professionals.

pros have to think on their feet more though given a situation never encountered i bet i could come out above atleast 40%

amateurs just blindly listen to their coach for the most part and 90% of coaches know s**t so id say my vast knowledge is above at least 90% of the amateurs.

not that im anywhere near better then those %'s just that im more knowledgeable.

thats some mad skills man you see how high that bags going? That bag weighs atleast 40 lbs man 40lbs!!!!! you just dont have the skills to see my skill thats all. if you were awesome like me the skill level would be beyond clear.

no but really using advice on the forums, my own intelligence, and all the knowledge that i had picked up half a year ago i went from that to this in 6 months. Yeah on my own no trainer coach or any of that ****.


its not impressive but im a very competent person as far as teaching myself something and its not that bad.

ridicule me if you want but ive probably gotten further in 6 months on my own then you could in a year with a trainer.

This another funny joke? Mr Sten with a trainer you'd probably be 10x as good as you are, Infact 6 months eh? You should be having your first amateur fight any time soon, Your not moving your head enough, your foot work's ****, when you do move you'd still get hit.

Your just a very ignorant,

So let's say for example you could train your self better, why the hell are you talking about amateur and professional boxing, when you ain't got anywhere to start, You've never even sparred have you buddy? :eek:

ridicule me if you want but ive probably gotten further in 6 months on my own then you could in a year with a trainer.

I didn't read this whole thread cos I couldn't be arsed but are you being serious or is this all just a joke? That last vid is the result of SIX months practice? I'm not trying to be a dick but a complete novice could do better after a single month's training (3-5 days a week) at a boxing gym with a proper coach.

It's not worth critiquing, but the most glaringly obvious flaw is that you're not getting any weight into your punches, they're all arm-punches. You need to push off with your legs and pivot to get any kind of power into the punches (very basic stuff you learn straight away at a gym). Your right arm is bent when you throw it, it needs to fully extend and straighten out.

If you're interested enough in boxing to practice on a bag in your garage for six months then you really should just go to a proper gym and learn things the correct way. You can still practice on the bag in your own time and you'll see MUCH bigger improvements.

So let's say for example you could train your self better, why the hell are you talking about amateur and professional boxing, when you ain't got anywhere to start, You've never even sparred have you buddy? :eek:

i was asked about my knowledge in comparison to an amateur or professional boxer?

I have sparred.


It's not worth critiquing, but the most glaringly obvious flaw is that you're not getting any weight into your punches, they're all arm-punches. You need to push off with your legs and pivot to get any kind of power into the punches (very basic stuff you learn straight away at a gym). Your right arm is bent when you throw it, it needs to fully extend and straighten out.


Thank you for your critique about my arm punches i will try my best to work on that.

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i make a right fool of myself at 2.20

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Why's that arm keep dropping? Or is it because you would normally step back but the walls in your way? Nice punching though!

i tend to keep my left low and parry with my right and move my head alot more i only filmed this because of this thread and i haven't ran or sparred in three weeks because i lost motivation due to a fight getting cancelled i just thought you guys might like to watch and criticise

slugger! reminds me of a rocky movie