What is it?

Is it just natural?

Technique?

Weight lifting?

Body composure?

Anyone really give an answer?

Obviously weight gives you an advantage

Some will say hitting the heavy bag, others will say its God-given. Me, I believe that putting in a good amount of heavy bag work helps most. Also, being bigger does not necessarily give you better punching power. I would bet that over 60% of people over 200 lbs. couldnt throw anything more than an arm punch. Technique has alot to do with the effectiveness of your punches.

i got a hard punch and im only skinny, i use the heavy bag and do weights but dont just do weights, my brother is slow cos hes too muscle bound. my punches seem quicker after using the bag, also swivel when you punch and if you havnt got gloves on make sure you use your knuckles, i have a huge knuckle so it helps a lot

Alot of it is technique. If you put your legs into your punches, rotate your hips, and practice your power will come. Some people are blessed, others have to work to gain power.

I'm fairly skinny and have never have lifted weights seriously. One of my coaches told me after my very first training session that I hit hard, and then was before I knew proper technique for punching.

So for some people it's just natural, but that doesn't mean anyone can't improve their punching power through perfecting their technique and getting stronger.

Technique... I also think a strong back along with strong legs can make a big difference in your punching power. A lot of hard punching boxers have very muscular backs and a wide frame.

Lol...................

Some will say hitting the heavy bag, others will say its God-given. Me, I believe that putting in a good amount of heavy bag work helps most. Also, being bigger does not necessarily give you better punching power. I would bet that over 60% of people over 200 lbs. couldnt throw anything more than an arm punch. Technique has alot to do with the effectiveness of your punches.

LOL...Its statements like these that have made me a lurker and no longer a poster.

LOL...Its statements like these that have made me a lurker and no longer a poster.

He's not lying about that. Being on the bag can increase punching power, but you have to live on the bag for all that to happen.

Punching power is not God-given

I hate it so much when you hear people say punching power is god given. Jack Dempsey wrote in his book, quite clearly, boxers are made, not born. It's obvious why, punching power derives from physics, it cannot break the law of physics. Some people may be naturally more capable of throwing big punches just by the luck of how they naturally throw their punches. However, ANYBODY can feasibly learn how to throw powerful punches because it's all down to physics.

Power = mass x velocity.

To increase mass, without adding body weight, you step into your punches more, your throw your weight in more and you punch through, not at, the target.

To increase velocity you build muscles which aid this, this doesn't mean weight lifting, it means long hours on the punch bag etc. which builds the exact muscles you need.

It's all down to technique.

A tall slim guy can punch as hard as a shorter stocky guy, the stockier guy has mass, the taller guy should have leverage. Look at Tommy Hearns for example, heavy hitter even when he was a Welterweight.

Bigger guys do not always hit harder, I like using Mike Tyson as a good example because nobody disagrees that he hit hard. Mike Tyson was a big guy, fought at roughly 218 lbs. Yet when he fought people who were 240 or 250 lbs he still hit harder! Watch Tyson's punches, he would throw his entire body into them.

You look at your body shape and you break it down to find the best technique. The most simple way to increase power which people tend to ignore is using your legs more, and step in/punch through.

However, remember, just as physics enables us to all have heavy punching power, it does cap us. At my current weight of 150lbs, I could never hit harder than Mike Tyson, simply, again, down to Physics.

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Its all in the hips and punching with the big muscles in your back and legs. Practice Practice Practice

Punching power is not God-given

I hate it so much when you hear people say punching power is god given. Jack Dempsey wrote in his book, quite clearly, boxers are made, not born. It's obvious why, punching power derives from physics, it cannot break the law of physics. Some people may be naturally more capable of throwing big punches just by the luck of how they naturally throw their punches. However, ANYBODY can feasibly learn how to throw powerful punches because it's all down to physics.

Power = mass x velocity.

To increase mass, without adding body weight, you step into your punches more, your throw your weight in more and you punch through, not at, the target.

To increase velocity you build muscles which aid this, this doesn't mean weight lifting, it means long hours on the punch bag etc. which builds the exact muscles you need.

It's all down to technique.

A tall slim guy can punch as hard as a shorter stocky guy, the stockier guy has mass, the taller guy should have leverage. Look at Tommy Hearns for example, heavy hitter even when he was a Welterweight.

Bigger guys do not always hit harder, I like using Mike Tyson as a good example because nobody disagrees that he hit hard. Mike Tyson was a big guy, fought at roughly 218 lbs. Yet when he fought people who were 240 or 250 lbs he still hit harder! Watch Tyson's punches, he would throw his entire body into them.

You look at your body shape and you break it down to find the best technique. The most simple way to increase power which people tend to ignore is using your legs more, and step in/punch through.

However, remember, just as physics enables us to all have heavy punching power, it does cap us. At my current weight of 150lbs, I could never hit harder than Mike Tyson, simply, again, down to Physics.

Well put.............

Technique, and hitting the heavy bag helps.

Well put.............


Actually it was a lot of theoretical hogwash. The first mistake was the formula, correctly stated it is force equals mass times acceleration (F=MA). This isn't splitting hairs, there is a difference. In any case if it is possible for anybody to learn how to punch like George Foreman, why isn't anybody doing it?

obviously your punching power is god-given to a certain degree
some people are just bigger/faster etc than others, it's just how it is

George Foreman was a very strong individual who was very good at boxing, much of his technique relying on heavy punches. If you find an individual who meets his muscle mass and is as good as him who practices heavy punches as much as he did, then you can find somebody who can punch like him. Comparing the world of boxing to the elite heavyweights of all time is stupid. They are who they are because they were excellent at boxing, so comparing a man of similar build but who lacks the technique of Foreman, is pointless and...Hogwash.

And no, the formula is still correct. The one your citing is a formula pulled out of a generic textbook from the school days.

George Foreman was a very strong individual who was very good at boxing, much of his technique relying on heavy punches. If you find an individual who meets his muscle mass and is as good as him who practices heavy punches as much as he did, then you can find somebody who can punch like him. Comparing the world of boxing to the elite heavyweights of all time is stupid. They are who they are because they were excellent at boxing, so comparing a man of similar build but who lacks the technique of Foreman, is pointless and...Hogwash.

And no, the formula is still correct. The one your citing is a formula pulled out of a generic textbook from the school days.
so you dont believe in genetics at all?

so you dont believe in genetics at all?


It isn't a question of belief, it is a matter of facts and reality. The traditions of boxing tell us that punchers are born and knockout artists are made. As yet there is no evidence to the contrary. Anybody can spew out a lot of scientific nonsense but nobody has figured out how to transform a featherfist into a puncher.

We got a fight!!! I got 2-2.

Punching power is not God-given

I hate it so much when you hear people say punching power is god given. Jack Dempsey wrote in his book, quite clearly, boxers are made, not born. It's obvious why, punching power derives from physics, it cannot break the law of physics. Some people may be naturally more capable of throwing big punches just by the luck of how they naturally throw their punches. However, ANYBODY can feasibly learn how to throw powerful punches because it's all down to physics.

Power = mass x velocity.

To increase mass, without adding body weight, you step into your punches more, your throw your weight in more and you punch through, not at, the target.

To increase velocity you build muscles which aid this, this doesn't mean weight lifting, it means long hours on the punch bag etc. which builds the exact muscles you need.

It's all down to technique.

A tall slim guy can punch as hard as a shorter stocky guy, the stockier guy has mass, the taller guy should have leverage. Look at Tommy Hearns for example, heavy hitter even when he was a Welterweight.

Bigger guys do not always hit harder, I like using Mike Tyson as a good example because nobody disagrees that he hit hard. Mike Tyson was a big guy, fought at roughly 218 lbs. Yet when he fought people who were 240 or 250 lbs he still hit harder! Watch Tyson's punches, he would throw his entire body into them.

You look at your body shape and you break it down to find the best technique. The most simple way to increase power which people tend to ignore is using your legs more, and step in/punch through.

However, remember, just as physics enables us to all have heavy punching power, it does cap us. At my current weight of 150lbs, I could never hit harder than Mike Tyson, simply, again, down to Physics.




lol, wut a retarded fuking post, not even going to reply

Genetics offer an edge, being able to do something naturally enables somebody to learn it quicker, doesn't prevent somebody else learning.

Man, there are some dumb ****ers on this forum if they generally believe that boxers can defy physics with "god given ability". ****ing retards, listen to yourselves. Punching power is physics, thus, it has a law to it. Some are naturally better, but that doesn't mean somebody can't learn if they look at their particular body shape and size and figure it out. ****, didn't think there was even a counter argument to the most basic stuff we learn in primary school but I guess "nah, it's a stupid answer, it's god given" is just as valid for some of you.

Go onto google, search JACK DEMPSEY, CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHTING and the book is free on the internet because it's out of copyright now. Read the section PUNCHERS ARE MADE; NOT BORN.

I feel sorry for you guys who don't believe they stand a chance at bettering themselves to such a degree, i'm good to listen to myself and work at it.
, but continue running around believing you are all you can be because somebody else told you so...

when someone says god-given they mean genetics, it means you've had generations of evelution due to somethin your family before you has also worked hard on

Genetics deliver a natural edge, not determine the outcome.

Genetics deliver a natural edge, not determine the outcome.
right, so what about hieght and muscle mass? anyone can achieve that then?
lets say what if your 5'6, can you stretch yourself to be 6'0?, what if you just cant put on much muscle due to your metabolism be as big arnold?
you know scientists say the muscle fibers your born with is the fibers you'll have for the rest of your life, you cant add to them, they just break and enlarge
some people are just taller/shorter, can pack more muscle have a chin while you no matter how hard you try just cant, i mean come on
genetics....sometimes you just CANT do it.... in a lifetime

How old are you?...I swear you're a kid.

A stockier 5ft 6 can hit as hard as a slimmer 6ft guy and likewise, boxing is fought on weight categories, the shorter guy has mass and muscle, the taller has leverage. Punching power isn't just who's taller height and/or has more muscle.

Also go back to my original post where I wrote, just as physics enables us to punch heavy, it does cap us as well, so someone like me can't punch like Tyson at my current state.

The punchers are born theory has some merit. Some people are born with more type IIa fibers or IIb or type I fibers. The guy with more of the explosive muscle fibers (IIa and IIb) will naturally be able to generate force quicker and will likely have faster hands. So if there are two guys that punch the same way, have the same bone lengths, etc etc etc but one is primarily type IIa dominant and the other guy is type I dominant then obviously the first guy will be able to hit harder. You CAN do things to help yourself out and narrow the gap but the former guy was born to hit harder than the other dude. Punchers can be made but the best punchers were born to punch and then made to punch hard, if that makes any sense.

Anyhow, punching power is over rated, speed, skills and agility are where its at.

Balance and leverage are very important to punching power. When hitting the heavy bag, make sure to drive from your legs, pivoting off the right foot for a right cross, and twisting your weight across your body off the left foot for a left hook. Watch Alexis Arguello if you can find his fights on film. He was skinny as a rail but got maximum leverage on every punch!

http://www.amazon.com/Joe-Gans-Biography-American-Champion/dp/0786439947/ref=pd_ts_b_71?ie=UTF8&s=books

Genetics offer an edge, being able to do something naturally enables somebody to learn it quicker, doesn't prevent somebody else learning.

Man, there are some dumb ****ers on this forum if they generally believe that boxers can defy physics with "god given ability". ****ing retards, listen to yourselves. Punching power is physics, thus, it has a law to it. Some are naturally better, but that doesn't mean somebody can't learn if they look at their particular body shape and size and figure it out. ****, didn't think there was even a counter argument to the most basic stuff we learn in primary school but I guess "nah, it's a stupid answer, it's god given" is just as valid for some of you.

Go onto google, search JACK DEMPSEY, CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHTING and the book is free on the internet because it's out of copyright now. Read the section PUNCHERS ARE MADE; NOT BORN.

I feel sorry for you guys who don't believe they stand a chance at bettering themselves to such a degree, i'm good to listen to myself and work at it.
, but continue running around believing you are all you can be because somebody else told you so...


lol, wut a retarded fuking post

lol, wut a retarded fuking post

His post is pretty accurate, actually.

Your grammar and punctuation, on the other hand, is "fuking retarded".

:fest30:

His post is pretty accurate, actually.

Your grammar and punctuation, on the other hand, is "fuking retarded".

:fest30:


oh really? the fact that you think his post is "accurate" is enough for me to not even take you seriously.

yah, man you're so smart because you can type posts properly on a boxing forum. and yet your brain processes what that guy wrote as pretty accurate. fuking joke.

Genetics offer an edge, being able to do something naturally enables somebody to learn it quicker, doesn't prevent somebody else learning.

Man, there are some dumb ****ers on this forum if they generally believe that boxers can defy physics with "god given ability". ****ing retards, listen to yourselves. Punching power is physics, thus, it has a law to it. Some are naturally better, but that doesn't mean somebody can't learn if they look at their particular body shape and size and figure it out. ****, didn't think there was even a counter argument to the most basic stuff we learn in primary school but I guess "nah, it's a stupid answer, it's god given" is just as valid for some of you.

Go onto google, search JACK DEMPSEY, CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHTING and the book is free on the internet because it's out of copyright now. Read the section PUNCHERS ARE MADE; NOT BORN.

I feel sorry for you guys who don't believe they stand a chance at bettering themselves to such a degree, i'm good to listen to myself and work at it.
, but continue running around believing you are all you can be because somebody else told you so...


Ok, why didn't you give us a list of all the punchers who were "made?" I have been around boxing longer than you have been alive yet I haven't encountered a puncher who was "made."

Ok, why didn't you give us a list of all the punchers who were "made?" I have been around boxing longer than you have been alive yet I haven't encountered a puncher who was "made."

Every boxer who has received training has increased their punching power past that which their genetic make up naturally determines. Some boxers find themselves closer to the maximum punching power that physics determines from their individual make up, while others, due to incorrect or lacking specific techniques, find themselves further away. Some examples of boxers who haven't been made is a shorter list, best example that springs to mind is Jack Johnson, who although did receive training, was seen more to have trained himself in the art of fighting rather than specific boxing technique.

Was having this discussion with somebody earlier, they disagreed with me as well, however not on the principle that punching power is down to physics and that genetics doesn't determine a limit of punching power. They argued that all things being equal between two people, one may be able to punch harder solely down to mentality. An aggressive person is more likely to utilise such where as a peaceful person isn't. I can agree with that, but nothing else. Correct training and technique can increase punching power, roughly equal to anybody who possesses a better genetic make up for punching so long as the equation of power is balanced between the two individuals.

Again, I can only hope you just read up on it, as i've stated, look at Jack Dempsey's book free online.

i find that most of the posters here have never fought or been in a gym and learn all of thier so called know-how from books, the fact is that punchers are born not made period. you can better your tecnique to make your punches more efficent but thats all. anybody who has fought or has been in a real boxing gym for any period of time knows this. and all of the physics are nice but its all about genetics

You can accuse me of not boxing if you like, wont change that it's what I do. Was only last week that two welterweights sparred, one was above 6ft and slim as hell, the other is about 5ft 10 and is reasonably muscled, it was clear who had the stronger punch.

first of all jay i dont know you so why would i accuse you of not boxing?
that is not what we are disgussing, to say anybody can play basetball like mike jorden or punch as hard as foreman thu physics and training is very silly. that is god given abillity pure and simple. your berry sanders, bo jacksons, kobe bryans and so on were born with that abillity and training enhanced it. everyboby hits hard but true power is and always will be a god-given thing. true punchers are rare thats why they are so exciting to watch, every pro boxer trains corectly so why arent there more true punchers? answer because its god-given and rare.

i find that most of the posters here have never fought or been in a gym and learn all of thier so called know-how from books, the fact is that punchers are born not made period. you can better your tecnique to make your punches more efficent but thats all. anybody who has fought or has been in a real boxing gym for any period of time knows this. and all of the physics are nice but its all about genetics


Yeah, that is what it is. I've seen kids walk into the gym who, with no prior training, can hit harder than anybody in the gym. Nobody knows where they get that firepower from, they don't even know it themselves. Either you got it or you don't. Nevertheless, you still have to learn how to box.

i find that most of the posters here have never fought or been in a gym and learn all of thier so called know-how from books, the fact is that punchers are born not made period. you can better your tecnique to make your punches more efficent but thats all. anybody who has fought or has been in a real boxing gym for any period of time knows this. and all of the physics are nice but its all about genetics


I think this guy JayCoe (or whatever the hell his name is) is a weak puncher and wants to believe that he can punch like Darnell Wilson with some bag work. His insecurity makes himself believe that he can punch twice as hard as he can then currently if he puts his small mind to it. lmao

You can accuse me of not boxing if you like, wont change that it's what I do. Was only last week that two welterweights sparred, one was above 6ft and slim as hell, the other is about 5ft 10 and is reasonably muscled, it was clear who had the stronger punch.

LOL


Dude, you just need to understand punching is not just PHYSICS. Its about BIOLOGY too. People are born with extremely different potential and training can only get you up to that potential. Most people can't punch that hard, thats why heavy hitters are a hot commodity in boxing.

When you see a boxing match, 90% of fight include fighters with average or below hitting power. That's why they are able to go 10-12 rounds while getting hit with flush shots from each other. And most pros who make it to the level where they have to go 10-12 rounds work/have worked much harder than YOU can ever imagine. So why can't they all punch like Tyson when most of them trained almost if not equally hard? If everyone could hit hard simply by training to hit harder then almost every fight would end in a knockout.


I'm sorry to break it to you buddy, but you'll never be a knockout artist (It's obvious you're not a heavy hitter since you made this thread and the posts that you made).

I'm not a heavy hitter, not a weak one though, about middle. Not breaking anything to me, I know how I box so I utilise that. Not everyone wants to be a heavy hitter, that's a particular style in most cases. I fight with reflex and speed, fight on the outside with jabs, move in, flurry with hooks to the body and head, move out and jabs again. I just know you're still wrong.

I still think you're a kid somewhere who idolises Heavyweights, thinking that he's one of them. I box, I don't argue over petty forums. Just use your brain and read about it, you'll soon realise you're wrong...But you don't want to be doing that though, right?

Seems as you're unable to find the book i'm on about via google i'll quote some for you. I'm nice like that.

What would happen if a year-old baby fell from a fourth-floor window onto the head of a burly truck driver, standing on the sidewalk?
It's practically certain that the truckman would be knocked unconscious. He might die of brain concussion or a broken neck.
Even an innocent little baby can become a dangerous missile WHEN ITS BODY-WEIGHT IS SET INTO FAST MOTION.
You may feel as helpless as a year-old infant-as far as fighting is concerned; but please remember: (1) YOU WEIGH MORE THAN A BABY,
and (2) YOU NEED NOT FALL FROM A WINDOW TO PUT YOUR BODY-WEIGHT INTO MOTION.
You have weight, and you have the means of launching that weight into fast motion.
Furthermore, you have explosive ingredients. You may not appear explosive. You may appear as harmless as a stick of dynamite, which
children have been known to mistake for an oversized stick of taffy.
You can launch your body-weight into fast motion; and, like dynamite, you can explode that hurtling weight against an opponent with a
stunning, blasting effect known as follow-through.

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Louis retired as undefeated heavyweight champion in 1949. And I'll bet that, as he retired, Joe considered himself a natural-born puncher. I
know that's probably true because I had the same mistaken idea about myself during my career and for a time after I hung up my gloves,

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This one is certainly worth reading;

To protect yourself with your fists, you must become a knockout puncher. And you may do that within three months, if you're a normal chapanywhere
between twelve and forty. By "normal" I mean healthy and sound-neither ailing nor crippled

You should be able to knock out a fellow of approximately your own weight, with either fist, if you follow my instructions exactly and practice
them diligently. And in six months or a year, you may be able to knock out fellows a lot bigger and heavier than you are.
You've got the weight and the machinery. In fact, you're the Kayo Kid.

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I guess he agrees that anyone with proper technique can achieve this?

That's just a few quotes because I got bored looking, just read up on boxing, might learn something. Now, who to believe, Jack Dempsey...or you?

Seems as you're unable to find the book i'm on about via google i'll quote some for you. I'm nice like that.



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This one is certainly worth reading;





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I guess he agrees that anyone with proper technique can achieve this?

That's just a few quotes because I got bored looking, just read up on boxing, might learn something. Now, who to believe, Jack Dempsey...or you?



Is this the book that you were referring to by Jack Dempsey? Since when did Dempsey's word become fact? You mentioned alot of "he said, she said" comments which are fuking ridiculous and why I didn't even want to bother responding. Your effort in using the type of argument you have been using and this type of evidence is just as laughable as your claims. Since when did Dempsey have a Ph.D in Physics?

And what don't you understand about the statement "People are BORN with DIFFERENT potential, their hard work can only take them to the top of their POTENTIAL", I mean if you disagree with the statement you basically believe anyone can punch as hard as anyone if they just put the effort in. Then YOU must think that you can punch as hard as anyone if you just put in the effort (and your bodyweight, LMAO) into it.


I'm going to stop here because your so fuking stupid that it hurts my head to try and respond to a stubborn knucklehead like you.

No you're right, your word is better than his, and physics. It's all good, you're obviously right and i'm so so clearly wrong. I'm bored of this discussion now, the end result is going to stay exactly the same, you'll say one thing, i'll say the other, you'll say i'm wrong but won't put forward an argument, i'll say you're wrong and put forward a brilliant, amazing, mind numbingly intelligent work of art which for for future will reference will be known as 'my argument' and we'll both inevitably continue this discussion until the moon glows green.

Tbh I think dumbell swings are good for the punch endurance but be carefull because I have hurt my back on them . Check out this Rosstraining vid he uses the homemade t-bar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4WQRYtOU2c

Just develop your body for power. Doing this you more than likely will see an increase in weight. Do alot of pull ups and back exercises. That way, when you keep the hand that isn't extending to punch close to your body, your body will use the back muscles for punching power. Broad back = Power!

Genetics plays a part too but look at Pacquiao. His genetics weren't to knock people out but from his plyometric training, he developed the power and KOs people. Then again he also throws 300 punches a round, so the can play a factor in KOing people as well. 100+ flush shots in 1 round your going down.

No you're right, your word is better than his, and physics. It's all good, you're obviously right and i'm so so clearly wrong. I'm bored of this discussion now, the end result is going to stay exactly the same, you'll say one thing, i'll say the other, you'll say i'm wrong but won't put forward an argument,i'll say you're wrong and put forward a brilliant, amazing, mind numbingly intelligent work of art which for for future will reference will be known as 'my argument' and we'll both inevitably continue this discussion until the moon glows green.


yeeeaaaaaaaaaaaa.... I'm done with you too.


I have to say you're arrogance almost matches your stupidity/ignorance.


You just would not understand how ridiculous it is for someone like you to make a comment like that above.


Unbelievable...

yeeeaaaaaaaaaaaa.... I'm done with you too.


I have to say you're arrogance almost matches your stupidity/ignorance.


You just would not understand how ridiculous it is for someone like you to make a comment like that above.


Unbelievable...

you both are dumbasses

I think it is definately technique recently I have watched a bit of tyson to pic up some technique whilst throwing. The first day after watching I sparred a boy and burst his nose, which is quite usual for me esp as im a right handed southpaw and it was my left that did it.
The next day the same thing, I broke another boys nose with a big left hand, even though i hardly throw my left.

It can be god given but if you try to improve your technique whilst throwing you will go a fair way to improving

Alll right sooooo back on topic Punching Power...........Im not a boxer nor have i ever been in a boxing gym or been trained by a boxer. I did read jack dempseys book championship fighting and took tai chi and wing chun (1 year 2 hours week private lessons) so i have an idea on how to punch and how to ground myself and use my whole body when punching. now as far as i see it F=MA right? so you can either increase your mass or your speed if you want more force behind the punch. So what i do is increase the mass with muscles, tendons, and ligaments that I train for speed and i do this with a series of 4 with each part of the series consisting of 6 sets of 40 jabs alternating so each hand gets 20 with a 15 second break between each set and a 4-6 min break between each part of the series. now you can throw a jab in the air like normal shadow boxing or you can put in 150% effort and pretty much try to throw everything out of their sockets as your fist whips off your wrist across the room and through the wall this is what you should be doing each time you punch(the shock strangthens all the tendons and ligaments....Perhaps). when i first started i could only do 6 sets of 10 and one set took me almost 5 seconds now i can throw the 40 in almost 8 seconds before i could barely do this twice a week now i do the whole series 6 times a week. for some one trying this out though what will probably happen is you will hyper extend your arm, elbow joints will bruise and your shoulders and back will beee sooooooo sore. Let your self rest and recover maybe 2 or 3 days. once recovered do the punching again and again and again and work up to more punches and try to punch harder and faster. Pretty much your remodeling all your tendons and ligaments strengthening your joints paving pathways for tendons over your fast twitch muscles and tearing down muscle fibers into 2 smaller fibers giving you a higher ratio of muscle cells to water increasing your muscle surface area and allowing for more ATP creation and resynsnythis along with a higher lactic acid threshold. In the end the fast punching should make your body be able to punch harder and faster also it gives you a chance to perfect your punch technique and allows you to pratice keeping your balance after throwing punches with everything you have. So im building muscle that are fast twitch and tendons that aid that and can handle the force being put into them which is an increase in mass and if anything an increase in speed and even if there isn’t an increase in speed you arnt going to be slowing your self down so atleast the mass will increase for harder punching. OK so that last part about remodeling your body No idea mainly mubo jumbo that sounds cool But I do read a lot about exercising sooooo thats my reasoning for why i do this. of course im not a boxer or a trainer or some one that has ever been trained by a boxer or a trainer so I have no idea what im talking about and I don’t recommend anyone try this because I have no idea what its going to do to my elbow joints and shoulders 30 years down the road. so with all that said Im not sure if ive surpassed my potential but if not my potental has increase many times over through the evolution of my body and if you tell me that the body cant evolve over that time period what about building up an immunity to a poison i imagine that any vaccine out their wouldnt work other wise I mean your potential is to get sick beforehand but once you evolve from weaker doses of the virus the virus dosnt even have a chance same idea punch really hard and get hurt let your body heals stronger then before and before you know it you can pull off 10 sets of 100 and your body isnt even sore and you have become a self-made puncher not a born one....Perhaps perhaps one day ill be heavy weight champ of the world and then everyone will be reading this post MUWHHAAHAHAHAHAH

This should only be taken as an idea "like an ink blotter on legs i asorbed everything i could and got rid of what didnt feel right" Jack Dempsey. sounds like something bruce lee once said something about asorbing what is usefull and getting rid of the rest. if this dosent feel right dont do it but try to figure out why it dosent feel right before you push it off maybe you can turn it into something that works better for you.

nobody's going to read that ^^^^ shit

it is technique to throw a good punch, I am very skinny but I hit just as hard as most people my age and bigger than me... but its also natural aswell, some people naturally hit harder than others.

I honestly do think it's mostly born but you can work on it to get it also. I was born with it yet I still work my ass off to improve it. With punching bag work and technique, always room to further yourself.

Alll right sooooo back on topic Punching Power...........Im not a boxer nor have i ever been in a boxing gym or been trained by a boxer. I did read jack dempseys book championship fighting and took tai chi and wing chun (1 year 2 hours week private lessons) so i have an idea on how to punch and how to ground myself and use my whole body when punching. now as far as i see it F=MA right? so you can either increase your mass or your speed if you want more force behind the punch. So what i do is increase the mass with muscles, tendons, and ligaments that I train for speed and i do this with a series of 4 with each part of the series consisting of 6 sets of 40 jabs alternating so each hand gets 20 with a 15 second break between each set and a 4-6 min break between each part of the series. now you can throw a jab in the air like normal shadow boxing or you can put in 150% effort and pretty much try to throw everything out of their sockets as your fist whips off your wrist across the room and through the wall this is what you should be doing each time you punch(the shock strangthens all the tendons and ligaments....Perhaps). when i first started i could only do 6 sets of 10 and one set took me almost 5 seconds now i can throw the 40 in almost 8 seconds before i could barely do this twice a week now i do the whole series 6 times a week. for some one trying this out though what will probably happen is you will hyper extend your arm, elbow joints will bruise and your shoulders and back will beee sooooooo sore. Let your self rest and recover maybe 2 or 3 days. once recovered do the punching again and again and again and work up to more punches and try to punch harder and faster. Pretty much your remodeling all your tendons and ligaments strengthening your joints paving pathways for tendons over your fast twitch muscles and tearing down muscle fibers into 2 smaller fibers giving you a higher ratio of muscle cells to water increasing your muscle surface area and allowing for more ATP creation and resynsnythis along with a higher lactic acid threshold. In the end the fast punching should make your body be able to punch harder and faster also it gives you a chance to perfect your punch technique and allows you to pratice keeping your balance after throwing punches with everything you have. So im building muscle that are fast twitch and tendons that aid that and can handle the force being put into them which is an increase in mass and if anything an increase in speed and even if there isn’t an increase in speed you arnt going to be slowing your self down so atleast the mass will increase for harder punching. OK so that last part about remodeling your body No idea mainly mubo jumbo that sounds cool But I do read a lot about exercising sooooo thats my reasoning for why i do this. of course im not a boxer or a trainer or some one that has ever been trained by a boxer or a trainer so I have no idea what im talking about and I don’t recommend anyone try this because I have no idea what its going to do to my elbow joints and shoulders 30 years down the road. so with all that said Im not sure if ive surpassed my potential but if not my potental has increase many times over through the evolution of my body and if you tell me that the body cant evolve over that time period what about building up an immunity to a poison i imagine that any vaccine out their wouldnt work other wise I mean your potential is to get sick beforehand but once you evolve from weaker doses of the virus the virus dosnt even have a chance same idea punch really hard and get hurt let your body heals stronger then before and before you know it you can pull off 10 sets of 100 and your body isnt even sore and you have become a self-made puncher not a born one....Perhaps perhaps one day ill be heavy weight champ of the world and then everyone will be reading this post MUWHHAAHAHAHAHAH

This should only be taken as an idea "like an ink blotter on legs i asorbed everything i could and got rid of what didnt feel right" Jack Dempsey. sounds like something bruce lee once said something about asorbing what is usefull and getting rid of the rest. if this dosent feel right dont do it but try to figure out why it dosent feel right before you push it off maybe you can turn it into something that works better for you.

The only thing of any use in that post is the talk about 150% effort. Your ATP, Lactic and blah blah blah theory(especially the part about splitting 1 fiber into 2) does not make sense, sorry but thats not how the body works. Perhaps you should read more than the fitness magazines like men's health.

Satellite Cell Proliferation

Satellite cells consist of just a nucleus and it is within the nucleus of the cell that protein synthesis takes place. Growth factors can cause the satellite cells to combine with the damaged cells and assist in the damaged cells ability to synthesize protein more efficiently. The satellite cells can fuse to each other and create new muscle cells in a process know as hyperplasia. Studies have proven this true.

WHAT IS HYPERPLASIA?

Hypertrophy refers to an increase in the size of the cell while hyperplasia refers to an increase in the number of cells or fibers. A single muscle cell is usually called a fiber.

No need for links Just google Muscular Hyperplasia if you want to read more then what i have here

Now as far as the atp is concerned if i have more fibers i can create more atp perhaps? i dont know but id imagine 3 cells the size of 1 bloated cell would be able to use more lactic acid then the 1 bloated cell and probably create more atp? perhaps perhaps. what im not really sure of is how atp helps you i just know if you dont have it its rigor mortis and your muscles dont move perhaps its like a lubricant for your fibers? but ahhh i dont know if any of that atp stuff is true though i do know the muscle splitting thingy is true only when the fibers rip though like experiencing large amounts of eccentric exercising per say a pull up then let go with one hand in the up if you cant do a one arm pull up but your still some what strong you will drop slowly and this is eccentric and perhaps its tearing muscles be careful if your not strong you might really hurt your shoulder

wow, a lot of "teachers" out there i see.

thats why dont even comment on anymore.

ylem, for example u may npt know the high level of wing chun or boxing, but these guys just wanna hear from boxers. so refrain from helping if u can. only open minded uys will listen - and then u still can show them much by writing.

btw, my challenge offer still stands. but it is getting vey short on time before our next tourny.

Instead of worrying about trying to punch harder then everyone else concentrate on timing & accuracy, especially for amateurs, which is most of you out there.
An accurate punch thrown with the correct timing and leverage that lands on the edge of the chin or sweet spot can knock someone out, even if it is not thrown with 100% force.
Depending on your particular physical characteristics however you can find a suitable punch or combination that allows you to unleash a knockout. I am finding an overhand right followed by left hook harnesses alot more of my power then other punch combos. I have to get my feet especially in the roght position to get it too work. This combo what works for me, but probably not for all. But I am left handed at most things (but throw a ball better with my right), I box orthodox, and also have a slight curvature of the spine which alters the dynamicss a bit.
So of course genetics is the big factor, but I think you can increase power through weight training (concentrating on strength and explosive power), or by practicing different combos on the bag to find the best leverage and positioning to land a hard punch. But only when the opportunity arises, otherwise try to just score points.

I honestly do think it's mostly born but you can work on it to get it also. I was born with it yet I still work my ass off to improve it. With punching bag work and technique, always room to further yourself.


Yes, there is always room to further yourself, but first you have to want it. You don't have to be a puncher to get knockouts and not all punchers get knockouts. The major difference between success and failure is that lovely little phrase: "...work my ass off...." You got to do it in the gym and in the ring.

I don't want to get into an arguement with anybody about this but this is what i think:

I think a big part of if is genetics, better technique and practice can help, but you will never be able to take a weak puncher and turn him into a KO artist.

I think weightlifting is not the right way to increase your punching power. As Flicker said plyometric training is much better because it develops the fast twitching muscle fibers Landon S was refering to.

God given? Well I don't think the believsystem is a big factor in punching. But I know a boxer who can hit real hard. He convesed to me once that he went to Africa to a jujuman and paid this guy big chips for making him hit like an elephant. This did not save him thow from getting knocked out.

But by god given you ment having the right genes, right? Yeah, I agree with that. This makes a big difference! On the other hand I see some very young talented guys give up fighting because it comes to easy for them. The less talented guys seem to stay longer because they value more the work they put in.

Physics sounds so nice...But how do you translate the formulas into bodymechanics? I listened to diverent coaches and talked to a lot of the old school boxers in my gym. I also did some research and read a few boxing manuels. From what I heard there seems to be no real consense about this. There rather seem to be different variations of the right way to punch all with diferent details. This makes it only more intresting for me.

Ylem122 said, he practises wing chun and puts his whole body behind the punch? From what I have seen there is no way a wing chun chain fist can knock a good oponant out. A good old boxing cross does the job much better and realy has the body weight behind it. The only chain fist that could knock someone out would be Paul Vunak's, and he is no wing chun guy but from JKD. The way he does it is like in boxing by bringing his bodyweight into the punch. Sorry but that is just my opinion.;)

sigh...it seems like there is a thread like this every week, oh and I love how people would jump at the chance to tell others how powerful they are when ever a newb asks how to get power LOL.

and for the record guys if you are going to use physics, don't half ass it. there is no such thing as power=mass x velocity, that equation belongs to momentum.

sigh...it seems like there is a thread like this every week, oh and I love how people would jump at the chance to tell others how powerful they are when ever a newb asks how to get power LOL.

and for the record guys if you are going to use physics, don't half ass it. there is no such thing as power=mass x velocity, that equation belongs to momentum.

yeah, it is a lot more complicated than a simple formula like that.

like, take a big sponge and a brick. both would have same volume of mass, but which one being thrown at u would u rather avoid?

not to mention that momentum has to be transferred efficiently. there is much more to it. that is why throwing a punch is actually studied. and has been for many, many, many hundreds of years.

ok so its been like a month since that last post and i agree that a wing chun punch will not knock some one but you can throw alot quickly. wing chuns theory is that you really cant ever punch unless you are going to 100% hit because its all based off defense you create a defense with your arms out in front of you so all the power comes from the ground up to you core then from your core out your elbow to your fists skipping your shoulder so bruce lee read jack dempseys book championship fighting that came out in 1950 and incorperated the shoulder into the same type of punch using the shoulder seperate so the fore from it ends up at your fist the same time as whats coming up from your body gets to your fist. you put enough effort into that and you get some shoulder tearing chain punching that looks like PV now its just a matter of being able to do more then 100 with out throwing out your shoulder and getting your body relaxed enough to make it flow. atleasts thats my current conclusion on things using my current knowledge perhaps some one that dose jkd would know better

that being said no matter how good you are at this it dose not improve your jabs or your hooks or your rights it wont help you box. as an exercise i think you would be better off just doing the trunk twist motion with out punching.

though i think if you do do this you will tear muscles and all that blah blah blah about fibers and hyperplasia might happen. the shock from the snapping may also strenghten your tendons and ligaments perhaps.

Ive come alittle fruther with force= mass * acceleration (like meters per second per second) but im going to work on it alittle bit more before i post my final thesis

plain and simple jab to jab better hook to hook better just do it more often if you want to get better

im thinking of lifting weight lately, lol but i look stupid because some other are bench pressing 100lbs while i just bench press around 40-50....... fffuuuuuuuuuu----!!!!

Reps., Reps.,Reps.,baby!;)

I think that being a hard puncher is something you are born with. But, everyone can hit harder with proper technique and training.
For example, on a 100m race one guy without training can run at 15 sec. with training and dedication he might improve to 14 sec.
Other guy with the exact same height and weight might run without training at 13 sec, and with porpoer training at 12 sec.
With this i mean that doesn´t matter how much someone trains, he might never hit as hard as a natural hard puncher, even if the other guy has never trained, but you can improve your power inside your own limits of course.

But, more than punching power the most important thing for me is the quality of the punch. With this i mean that power without speed and accuracy means nothing. If you hit soft but have good speed , accuracy and timing you can cause a lot of damage and you are able to ko your opponent.
For eample Miranda is a hard puncher, but the quality of his punches arent very good, thats why with better opposition his power hasn't been an issue.
Marquez is not a hard puncher...but his punches have so much quality that he has been able to ko a lot of opponents, and lately Diaz and Casamayor that is not a minor thing.

alot of punching power comes fro your mentallity.

If you try to hit full power with every blow you wilhit hard.

The truth about punching power

You can increase your punching power through heavy bag work and weight training.

The heavy bag is designed to increase your punching power. I like to use nothing but 16oz gloves when hitting any type of bag except the speed bag.(even that sometimes when Im doing certain drills)

Weight training is tricky because you don't want to compromise mobility by getting bulky in the weight gym.

Technique is obviously needed as a base to work from. Remember power comes from your hips and legs NOT your arms and fist. Turn into your punches with your legs and hips and you will see a big difference in power.

The bottom line though, you can increase power somewhat but that devastating one punch power is something you are born with. No amount fo training, weight lifiting or bag work will ever give you that.

im thinking of lifting weight lately, lol but i look stupid because some other are bench pressing 100lbs while i just bench press around 40-50....... fffuuuuuuuuuu----!!!!
woah seriously?

most i did was 110

But yea basically your either born a puncher or your not. Doesnt mean you wont be able to still hit hard, but dont expect to have some Earnie Shavers power just by hitting the bag all day.

i believe power comes from a variety of things.
wide grip chinups
explosive types of pushups
this thingy where you take a barbell, load a small plate at one end, how it from that thicky part where the plate chills on (plate towards the ceiling), and then squat down, twist, and explosively fire the plate infront of you about 30 times.
heavy bag

technique is important. learning to fire shots with your hips, learning to reload your straight shots, loading hooks, etc.

time.
yeeeep.

working on accuracy and speed is (in general) better than working on power.

if you are on target everytime you wont need power!

I am lucky, i was born with pucnh power i am 260lbs right now and i can hurt people very easily.
Do i want more power?

of course! but more accuracy and speed would make me far moe dangerous

mentality someone mentioned. YES. that goes a long long looong way.

as for the kinetic linking, it is always shown as starting from the feet. but that is wrong. your KUA(inguinal folds, hips, lower abdomen, all the way from your bottom of torso to the top of your hips) has to move first. if that doesnt move, your leg doesnt move.

after knowing that, u can go deeper. as i said in reponse to my blog, some peeps like to prop the force up from the legs, some like to coordinate from the center instead. both can be used when needed but have to be trained for quite a while to actually KNOW。

and yeah, those twisting exercises are really really good. every kind of fighter does those, or should.

I dont understand all this talk about how weightlifting makes you bulky and slow?

FAT makes you bulky and slow...


Did all that muscle hinder mike tyson in his prime? lennox lewis? Evander holyfield?

lifting smart and heavy can make you a stronger puncher, more explosive (power cleans and squats) and can make you more agile.

In my experience, people who only care about how hard they hit are the meatheads walking into a boxing gym looking to knock people's heads off only to be humbled the fuk down as soon as they step in the ring.

Punching power is only one aspect of boxing. Sure, the most prolific boxers are usually great punchers but that's because knock out ability is a rare gift and is the most exciting aspect of boxing for a lot of people. You can and will hit harder as a trained fighter compared to if you were untrained but genetics will set your upper limit. You can argue with that physics bullcrap about velocity x speed and whatever but the truth is, your body simply doesn't have what it takes to produce the speed and velocity that true gifted punchers can produce.

So stop asking this dumbass question. If you can't punch hard then work on the many, many other aspects of boxing.

/rant :D

In my experience, people who only care about how hard they hit are the meatheads walking into a boxing gym looking to knock people's heads off only to be humbled the fuk down as soon as they step in the ring.

Punching power is only one aspect of boxing. Sure, the most prolific boxers are usually great punchers but that's because knock out ability is a rare gift and is the most exciting aspect of boxing for a lot of people. You can and will hit harder as a trained fighter compared to if you were untrained but genetics will set your upper limit. You can argue with that physics bullcrap about velocity x speed and whatever but the truth is, your body simply doesn't have what it takes to produce the speed and velocity that true gifted punchers can produce.

So stop asking this dumbass question. If you can't punch hard then work on the many, many other aspects of boxing.

/rant :D

true, better to learn how to land often THEN add power

I dont understand all this talk about how weightlifting makes you bulky and slow?

FAT makes you bulky and slow...


Did all that muscle hinder mike tyson in his prime? lennox lewis? Evander holyfield?

lifting smart and heavy can make you a stronger puncher, more explosive (power cleans and squats) and can make you more agile.

yor absolutely right, i can talk from experience. i have gained about 20lbs of muscle in the last yearand a half. i now hit harder and i am more explosive. however one thing added muscle will do is affect your stamina. it has me.

each punch takes more energy i hav e countered this punching in bursts i cannot punch all through a round now but most heavys can't.

I will just say one thing. With proper nutrition, sleep, training and technique, the increase in punching power the average person can achieve is out of this world.

A number of pound for pound punching legends were known to do 1500-2000 pushups and situps, every day, in addition to a ton of other similarly intensive exercises. Plus they spent tons of time improving technique and hitting the bag.

If you think you should "just focus on other things" because you don't seem to have natural power, you're an asshole and I won't be coming to any of your fights.

I will just say one thing. With proper nutrition, sleep, training and technique, the increase in punching power the average person can achieve is out of this world.

A number of pound for pound punching legends were known to do 1500-2000 pushups and situps, every day, in addition to a ton of other similarly intensive exercises. Plus they spent tons of time improving technique and hitting the bag.

If you think you should "just focus on other things" because you don't seem to have natural power, you're an asshole and I won't be coming to any of your fights.

2000 pushups wont do anthing for power but should do wonders for endurance.

noone is suggesting forgetting power altogether but it is all to easy to kep trying for more and more power and forget other important parts of the sport.

power for me came with technique and explosiveness, train for explosive speed and you will gain power.

punching power is god given to the extent that everyone has a limit, like in everything else. but there are ways to improve it until u reach your limit.

first step should be technique, shadowbox. just get your movements down. then take it to the heavybag, still focus on turning and pivoting. make sure u put all of your weight into the punch. feet, hips and shoulders are the key. now that u have a target also make sure u get the right extension. if u are a short guy throw short punches. if u are a tall guy drop that long right hand on your oponent, practice getting proper extension.

then let loose on the bag. hit HARD and u will build the muscle mass needed. no reason to touch weights, physical strenght will make u a heavy hitter but wont produce the explosive power u are most likely after.

final step is working on your skills, double end bag, pads and sparring. timing and accuracy creates knockouts more so than power. its all about nailing the right spot at the right time.

yor absolutely right, i can talk from experience. i have gained about 20lbs of muscle in the last yearand a half. i now hit harder and i am more explosive. however one thing added muscle will do is affect your stamina. it has me.

each punch takes more energy i hav e countered this punching in bursts i cannot punch all through a round now but most heavys can't.

I have the same problem, I've gained nearly 30 lbs of muscle in the last year and have certainly got alot more powerful. I have the same problem with stamina though, I seem to burn out alot faster that some of the others I spar despite the amount of training I do.
It may be better to have speed and stamina than punching power and I think id prefer it, my skills aren't great though so I train for power, you've gotta play to your strengths

yeah I suggest a reroll. Put more XP into endurance.

punching power is god given to the extent that everyone has a limit, like in everything else. but there are ways to improve it until u reach your limit.

first step should be technique, shadowbox. just get your movements down. then take it to the heavybag, still focus on turning and pivoting. make sure u put all of your weight into the punch. feet, hips and shoulders are the key. now that u have a target also make sure u get the right extension. if u are a short guy throw short punches. if u are a tall guy drop that long right hand on your oponent, practice getting proper extension.

then let loose on the bag. hit HARD and u will build the muscle mass needed. no reason to touch weights, physical strenght will make u a heavy hitter but wont produce the explosive power u are most likely after.

final step is working on your skills, double end bag, pads and sparring. timing and accuracy creates knockouts more so than power. its all about nailing the right spot at the right time.

agreed in everything but the weights, with weights if you know what your doing it can be a positive.

Punching power is not God-given

I hate it so much when you hear people say punching power is god given. Jack Dempsey wrote in his book, quite clearly, boxers are made, not born. It's obvious why, punching power derives from physics, it cannot break the law of physics. Some people may be naturally more capable of throwing big punches just by the luck of how they naturally throw their punches. However, ANYBODY can feasibly learn how to throw powerful punches because it's all down to physics.

Power = mass x velocity.

To increase mass, without adding body weight, you step into your punches more, your throw your weight in more and you punch through, not at, the target.

To increase velocity you build muscles which aid this, this doesn't mean weight lifting, it means long hours on the punch bag etc. which builds the exact muscles you need.

It's all down to technique.

A tall slim guy can punch as hard as a shorter stocky guy, the stockier guy has mass, the taller guy should have leverage. Look at Tommy Hearns for example, heavy hitter even when he was a Welterweight.

Bigger guys do not always hit harder, I like using Mike Tyson as a good example because nobody disagrees that he hit hard. Mike Tyson was a big guy, fought at roughly 218 lbs. Yet when he fought people who were 240 or 250 lbs he still hit harder! Watch Tyson's punches, he would throw his entire body into them.

You look at your body shape and you break it down to find the best technique. The most simple way to increase power which people tend to ignore is using your legs more, and step in/punch through.

However, remember, just as physics enables us to all have heavy punching power, it does cap us. At my current weight of 150lbs, I could never hit harder than Mike Tyson, simply, again, down to Physics.

ok well i quickly read through that. Not exactly sure what your talking about but thats what people are basically saying about being God-given. How you were made etc...a degree there a degree here, muscle structure, arm length all these things.......

if you menatally try to punch harder you wont.....if you mentally try to punch harder ever day for a year you wont. if for the rest of your life you keep trying to punch harder harder and harder taking small steps you will never improve just like if when your 10 years old running the mile in school thats the fastest you will ever be able to run a mile. or what you can bench now is the best that you will ever be able to do no matter how much rest youve had before or how hard you try.

just face it what you do today you will never be able to do better no matter how hard you try. its just destiny

or i could be wrong......

wait are you retarded or was that a joke.

if you menatally try to punch harder you wont.....if you mentally try to punch harder ever day for a year you wont. if for the rest of your life you keep trying to punch harder harder and harder taking small steps you will never improve just like if when your 10 years old running the mile in school thats the fastest you will ever be able to run a mile. or what you can bench now is the best that you will ever be able to do no matter how much rest youve had before or how hard you try.

just face it what you do today you will never be able to do better no matter how hard you try. its just destiny

or i could be wrong......


second option

must be the hypoxia asthma training

no but seriously in like 2nd grade my i say to my teacher i don't want to do my homework and she said that's fine you can do anything you want but sometimes there are sacrifices like a good grade. i took that to heart all you need to do is sacrifice some of you time and you can do anything.

I've just started a self-made program for increasing punching power, i'll stick to it over summer and let you guys know if i actually see any results.
If not then i'll have wasted my time and not yours :gives:

Im not sure 100% this helps, but ive been attatching ten pound weight wraps to my hands, and throw 3 sets of combos, such as 3 combo, 2 combo, ect. with the gloves to. And then i realize when I throw punches without gloves, it feels like i can cut the air.

To a degree it's natural, if it was something that could be trained you wouldn't have light handed boxers who actually put in a lot of training. I think muscle formation and bone density allows them to throw punches a certain way.

That being said, I think technique has a lot to do with it aswell. Some people who hit soft don't hit correctly. My dad always told me that when he was boxing he spent a lot of his time on the bag practising how to hit hard and efficiently which is correct if you look at the science behind it a lot of it is technique it's how your weight transfers through your body.

oh really? the fact that you think his post is "accurate" is enough for me to not even take you seriously.

yah, man you're so smart because you can type posts properly on a boxing forum. and yet your brain processes what that guy wrote as pretty accurate. fuking joke.

dude he is pretty spot on with his post....aside from all the swearing ;)

Well, I've finally decided to take boxing seriously and for a month alongside my usual bodybuilding I did punches with 10lbs weights in my hands as fast as I could while doing it perfectly and shadow boxed, worked on my technique and later started using 15lbs weights for all of the punches. I was about to start sparring after my 4th day back in the gym I used to be at a week ago but we did a lot more mitt/bagwork and despite doing proper wrapping I sprained my fists and did something weird to 2 knuckles. I have a wide frame, 6 foot 3 and I'm 174lbs while at 6% body fat. I excercise every muscle a good deal.. going to be a cruiserweight and later heavyweight. I was really hoping to have my first ameteur match organized within a month, but this is setting me back a few weeks.. the only mistake I made was using the thinner wraps I had from ages ago when I went for a few months and didn't take it seriously. Oh and I train 3-4 hours a day at the moment on cardio, strength, endurance, boxing drills, shadow boxing etc. (been like that for the past 2 and a half months, just racked up enough extra money to join the gym I used to be at.

Personally I really recommend working on the technique and making sure you rotate every part of your body properly so all of the momentum goes into the fist and punching with dumbells in your hands really does help a good deal as well. After a lot of punching to me my punches are just starting to "feel right", I know the feeling of a punch with good technique when I'm shadow boxing and it really makes a good impact on the bags/mitts.

Actually it was a lot of theoretical hogwash. The first mistake was the formula, correctly stated it is force equals mass times acceleration (F=MA). This isn't splitting hairs, there is a difference. In any case if it is possible for anybody to learn how to punch like George Foreman, why isn't anybody doing it?

F=MA=M*dvelocity/dtime where d= change or derivative

This is simply the mass times the change in velocity over the change in time, which means that the faster you can increase the velocity or speed of your fist, the more force will be generated. This can be accomplished with stronger legs, back, and practice.

The power is created by force times velocity, so we can see that power is mainly created by velocity and the more mass that something has, the more power is present.

F=MA=M*dvelocity/dtime where d= change or derivative

This is simply the mass times the change in velocity over the change in time, which means that the faster you can increase the velocity or speed of your fist, the more force will be generated. This can be accomplished with stronger legs, back, and practice.

The power is created by force times velocity, so we can see that power is mainly created by velocity and the more mass that something has, the more power is present.


you have that confused.
it makes no difference whether your fist gets to 30mph in 0.0001 seconds or 10 seconds if it hits at the same speed it will do the same damage.

what you mean is this:

the faster the opponent's head velocity is increased by your punch the more damage will occur. this is dependant on weight in the punch and speed.

some are just born with it,thomas hearns had one fo the most devastating punches in his era and esspecially hard puncher for his weightclass,he did lots of push ups on his knuckles while havin his feet on a table,also doing shoulder presses with dumbells gives u better punching power..when doin push ups do them slower and sometimes stop in the middle while goin up..hold it for a few seconds.

Question:

5 lb bowling ball is falling for 1 second at 9.81 meters per second squared(gravity). it hits a 100% unelastic object how many lb's or tons of force occurs at impact.

Show your work!

im sure if you can figure that out you can some how relate it to an equation to where you could say i make impact at 25 mph after .3 seconds with 5lbs it does X damage

Alot of it is technique. If you put your legs into your punches, rotate your hips, and practice your power will come. Some people are blessed, others have to work to gain power.

This......

so 5 lb fist moving at 25 mph hits your head and takes .1 second to stop

F= 5lb * 25/.1

f=5 lb *250 miles per hour per second

250*.0455= gravitational aceleration (g's)

F=5lb * 11.375 g's

f= 56.875 pounds of force

Id imagine though that your fist stops more quickly then .1 seconds and you punch with more then 5 lb's of mass that is if you put your body into it.

Ok so that being said the first thing that will increase your punching power most quickly is by increasing mass so by praticing punching and putting your body weight behind the punch you will increase the pound force of the punch.

the second thing you can do is the snapping. or like making a fist at the end of the punch this will make the top speed happen at impact. also instead of the punch hitting and slowly stopping as it moves the body or head with the snapping the punch stops when it hits so all the force happens in that moment instead of over a longer period of time where the body slows down the fist. a good snap can stop the fist in probably as fast as .02 seconds compared to .1

the last thing that makes a diffrence is speed of the punch and this is one of the harder things to increase and one with the least amount of pound force increase per mph. You can do things like punching with weights or timing your self to punch faster, but if you havnt gotten good at punching properly with weight behind it your only looking at a few pound increase per mph increase.

the second thing you can do is the snapping. or like making a fist at the end of the punch this will make the top speed happen at impact. also instead of the punch hitting and slowly stopping as it moves the body or head with the snapping the punch stops when it hits so all the force happens in that moment instead of over a longer period of time where the body slows down the fist. a good snap can stop the fist in probably as fast as .02 seconds compared to .1


While the punch may be sharp it won't get you a KO that easily, you'd have to dish out a lot of those to get the same results one good solid hit would do. It's pretty seperate from traditional hard punches, not what I prefer to knock someone out with.

i really dont think you have any idea what im talking about....have you ever tried punching with a lose fist then gripping up right before contact? this causes your fore arm to stiffen up and adds tremendous solidity to you punch not like your whipping some one more like you have a staff and your shoving the end into them.

Perhaps your just not doing it right....

ok F=MA

speed is simple enough
but
your whole body is not moving at the same speed your hips are at one speed, shoulders at another and fists should be fastest of all.

mass is simple but

even if you whole body is moving toward the target the mass has to be trasmitted by bone and muscle. bone is fine but is always supported by muscle. THIS is where huge losses in power occur.

so you see this equation is not adequate.

we havent even got onto pressure impulse etc