i had a past a few days ago saying how holyfield can shock tha world by beain tha champ again, everyone thought his careers over after gettin ko'd by james "lights out" toney
his excuse was i wasnt in shape, what's his excuse now
HE NEEDS TO RETIRE, he reminds me of meldrick taylor, after he fought chavez and tha way he talks now, a sad story.

everytime i hear of holyfield and him still fighting, i start to forget everythin he's done ( his fights with bowe, tyson, Foreman, larry holmes, buster douglas etc)

he should retire b4 ppl forget those fights

yes i do believe holyfield should call it quits. he did not even land 100 punches in the whole fight and it seemed like he was waiting for the one punch to end it all. envander holyfiend is done.

Holy, get out from the ring! It is already not fun... Infamy...

Like I said before, this certainly makes the Toney fight look much less impressive.

Holyfield should hang it up...

Hang those gloves Holy. :o

I predicted this outcome perfectly!!! What a sad day all around for boxing!!!

get out while u still can.

It's so sad that he is still talking of carrying on. What is it going to take to convince him to call it quits.

I mean, in his prime Donald was not fit to lace his boots.

Holyfield has BEEN done. He actually SHOULD have retired after the Tyson fight in 96!! That is how DONE he is. One of the greatest warriors in boxing history...and this is what we get to see.

Like I said before, this certainly makes the Toney fight look much less impressive.

the toney win wasnt impressive anyway u idiot...holyfield has been pro sence 1985...how the **** is beating a 42 year old impressive any-how

hes got too much pride.

Holyfield has BEEN done. He actually SHOULD have retired after the Tyson fight in 96!! That is how DONE he is. One of the greatest warriors in boxing history...and this is what we get to see.

dude, have some points for that avatar........

the toney win wasnt impressive anyway u idiot...holyfield has been pro sence 1985...how the **** is beating a 42 year old impressive any-how


i think Neuraxis was talking about how everyone was on Toney's jock after he beat Holyfield. This disaster which i was terribly sad to have to watch makes Toney's big "accomplishment" less impressive.

I hope Holyfield retires, he is my favorite fighter of all time and even I know he should have called it quits years ago. He looked horrible every minute of that fight, i think he landed 3 or 4 good shots, but that was over 12 rounds. Evander, please stop before you get hurt :(

Like I said before, this certainly makes the Toney fight look much less impressive.
No. The evander who fought the first round against Toney would have knocked Donald out. Toney beat Evander up worse than anyone had before.

Neuraxis, you just don't like Toney, the same way you didn't like Roy Jones. Stop letting your biases cloud your judgement.

Holyfield has been a viable contender for years, and although he hasn't been the same fighter over the past few years as he was in '96 and earlier, the fact of the matter is that he had a viable shot at winning a belt or two before retiring.

That was not true after the Byrd fight, and certainly not true after the Toney fight. He had been promising for years that he would retire if someone really beat him up, but here he is, still fighting Toney stopped him with a bodyshot. I think the only way to make it stop is to stop watching him. Have a boycott, the same way people did to Roy a few years back. Promoters wn't put him on their cards if everyone refuses to buy them. And I bet if we sent him letters that might help too.

thats why my friends I put my points on Donald. I cant see Holy doing anything big

i had a past a few days ago saying how holyfield can shock tha world by beain tha champ again, everyone thought his careers over after gettin ko'd by james "lights out" toney
his excuse was i wasnt in shape, what's his excuse now
HE NEEDS TO RETIRE, he reminds me of meldrick taylor, after he fought chavez and tha way he talks now, a sad story.

everytime i hear of holyfield and him still fighting, i start to forget everythin he's done ( his fights with bowe, tyson, Foreman, larry holmes, buster douglas etc)

he should retire b4 ppl forget those fights

Some of us will NEVER forget! If that even becomes a possibility, then I have tapes of old fight's that I can watch to remind myself of the warrior he use to be, and what he's accomplished and done for the sport. It's so sad that he actually lost to Donald, a man he would have slaughtered yr's ago! He may be willing to trample all over his accomplishments and his memory, but the fan's that love him have to remember in spite of that. :(

Looking good and showing a good performance are two different things ;) . Holyfield is still looking impressive, but he is worn out. Toney looks like a "Burger-Killer", but is on top of his game.

Holyfield should watch the tapes of his last fights instead of looking at his still impressive body in the mirror :( .

Looking good and showing a good performance are two different things ;) . Holyfield is still looking impressive, but he is worn out. Toney looks like a "Burger-Killer", but is on top of his game.

Holyfield should watch the tapes of his last fights instead of looking at his still impressive body in the mirror :( .

I have to agree with that, unfortunately :(

the toney win wasnt impressive anyway u idiot...holyfield has been pro sence 1985...how the **** is beating a 42 year old impressive any-how

He said his win WASNT impressive u dumb ****

Holyfield was an at best a good champion in his heyday. He had

memorable fights with tyson, bowe, foreman. But has had less

memorable bouts with Ruiz,Toney.However, he has always

had the "heart of a champion." And thats what plagues many great

heavyweights as they wind down their boxing careers. Like Ali,

Holyfield has stayed too long and will leave boxing on a low

note.

exactly!!
i think he took so many shots from mike tyson thats why he makes these stupid decisions, he prolly got bad brain damage

Holyfield was an at best a good champion in his heyday. He had

memorable fights with tyson, bowe, foreman. But has had less

memorable bouts with Ruiz,Toney.However, he has always

had the "heart of a champion." And thats what plagues many great

heavyweights as they wind down their boxing careers. Like Ali,

Holyfield has stayed too long and will leave boxing on a low

note.

At best? A good champ? Hardly. He is after all the ONLY 4 time heavy wt. champion, and that's not to mention the yr's he RULED as a curiser wt. He is still known to many as the "Curiser Wt. King" and will always be remember as such.
I think youre selling him just a bit short

the toney win wasnt impressive anyway u idiot...holyfield has been pro sence 1985...how the **** is beating a 42 year old impressive any-how
Everyone thought it was impressive thay Roy Jones came up from middleweight and beat John Ruiz. Roy is considered to be one of the most talented boxers to ever lace up a pair of gloves and he beat a slow, plodding heavyweight who will be nothing more a footnote in history.
Using the same criteria, Toney is considered to be a good fighter and came up from middleweight to beat one of the greatest heavweights in history. I think it should be considreed at least as impressive as the Jones victory, especially when you consider that he knocked Holyfield out, something Donald never came close to accomplishing.

I agree that Holy should retire.

I didn't see the holyfield fight but did take alot of punishment
or was he just outboxed? either way, Holyfield should call it
quits. I don't want to see him end up with brain damage like
Muhammad Ali. :(

Holyfield still has 3-4 more fights left in him.

Holyfield still has 3-4 more fights left in him.

yah, Holyfield has got more fights in him, losing fights! Holyfield doesn't need the money like Tyson, so he should hang it up. Holyfield reminds me of Apollo Creed in Rocky IV, the similiarities are uncanny! :mad:

How would he have KO'd Donald when Donald has only been KO'd once by Vitali. Bowe couldn't do it, so I doubt that a shot Holyfield could. As for Toney, everyone was ranting and raving about how great Toney was and how he is going to dominate the division. Is Donald also going to dominate the division? The HBO crew stupidly said that Donald might be harder fight for Vitali than Barrett would be. This just in Vitali already beat Donald.

tha 8 losses just dont look good he cant afford to lose more then 8
if he lost to a bum he will lose to anyone

holyfield even said he was in shape
he should have retired after fighting lennox lewis tha first time
then his only losses would be michael moorer which he beat after
and riddick bowe which was tha fights we loved
and he would have had a drew with lennox and then that would be good for him

yah, Holyfield has got more fights in him, losing fights! Holyfield doesn't need the money like Tyson, so he should hang it up. Holyfield reminds me of Apollo Creed in Rocky IV, the similiarities are uncanny! :mad:

Yeah, we just need Vit to kill him in the ring to fulfill the story :D

At best? A good champ? Hardly. He is after all the ONLY 4 time heavy wt. champion, and that's not to mention the yr's he RULED as a curiser wt. He is still known to many as the "Curiser Wt. King" and will always be remember as such.
I think youre selling him just a bit short

The fact that he is a 4 time champ doesn't really impress me at

all. Four time champ means that he lose it three times and did

not defend it like a champion. :mad:

good one leff, but after vitali kills him whos gonna avenge his death
like rocky did?

good one leff, but after vitali kills him whos gonna avenge his death
like rocky did?

Iron Mike of course!:D

That's clear he's been done for a long time!
why is his staff still preparing him for fights? :confused:
for E.V. own's good they should push him towards retirement instead of training him. What if he gets hurt for good?
I know it's holyfield own decision, but I would not forget his team if it happen

thats awesome! Iron Mike could wear the American flag trunks like rocky!

The fact that he is a 4 time champ doesn't really impress me at

all. Four time champ means that he lose it three times and did

not defend it like a champion. :mad:

Getting those titles is one thing, and defending them is another all together. I'll give him credit for getting them in the first place since many others have failed to defend them too. If youre just looking for something to critize him for then that's fine, but if youre a fan (like me) and prefer to give him the credit and respect he's earned then that is fine too.
Critizing him for not retiring is just, and understandable, but you cant take away from what he's accomplished in his career, and like I said, he was the Cruiser King for a very long time (you didnt mention that in your reply)
I think youre the one that said he didnt do as much (fan wise) for the sport as Tyson did, etc.... speak for yourself. Tyson did plenty oh yes, but Holyfield didnt disgrace it the way Tyson has always done.
I dislike Tyson and can critize him all day long; I think maybe you dislike Evander and that's why you're not "impressed" with all that he's done?? I was speaking about Holyfield on a professional level, not a personal one.

Getting those titles is one thing, and defending them is another all together. I'll give him credit for getting them in the first place since many others have failed to defend them too. If youre just looking for something to critize him for then that's fine, but if youre a fan (like me) and prefer to give him the credit and respect he's earned then that is fine too.
Critizing him for not retiring is just, and understandable, but you cant take away from what he's accomplished in his career, and like I said, he was the Cruiser King for a very long time (you didnt mention that in your reply)
I think youre the one that said he didnt do as much (fan wise) for the sport as Tyson did, etc.... speak for yourself. Tyson did plenty oh yes, but Holyfield didnt disgrace it the way Tyson has always done.
I dislike Tyson and can critize him all day long; I think maybe you dislike Evander and that's why you're not "impressed" with all that he's done?? I was speaking about Holyfield on a professional level, not a personal one.

I have alot of respect for evander and was rooting for him last
night. But I feel like he shouldn't be considered a "great heavy
weight" in the likes of Ali,Tyson,Foreman,Louis. After beating
Holmes in 92 he just wasn't consistent in beating his opponents and his last 9 fights have just tarnished a good boxing career.

Yea... The longer Holyfield continues fighting the more he is ruining his record and his place in history. He's gonna be remembered as the one who didn't know when to stop.

It's embarassing.

Holyfield is one of the all time greats but he needs to stop. He somehow thinks he can carry on...It's sad for me to say this, but I think someone needs to knock him out really brutally, and put him in hospital for a while in order to get it through his thick head that it's time to hang up the gloves. Otherwise, he could end up permanently damaged.

Holyfield is one of the all time greats but he needs to stop. He somehow thinks he can carry on...It's sad for me to say this, but I think someone needs to knock him out really brutally, and put him in hospital for a while in order to get it through his thick head that it's time to hang up the gloves. Otherwise, he could end up permanently damaged.


have you heard him talk? he is permanently damaged

have you heard him talk? he is permanently damaged

Hey I totally agree that he need's to retire YESTERDAY!!! It makes me sad as hell, and I wont hold his pride against him and his accomplishments; I still believe he'll be in the IBHOF ;)

i had a lil hope that he could win a belt again because im a huge evander fan. now that i saw the fight please evander hang it up

holy shoulda retired after byrd or toney

the rahman fight made him still believe he could do it

Holyfield has been done. Someone needs to straighten him out for his own good, and while they are at it shoot Don King for continueing to promote him.

The saddest thing about Holyfield last night wasnt his performance against Larry Donald, it was his battle with Larry Merchant trying to understandably answer the questions that were asked he stuttered 75 times very sad. Maybe someone should start a seniors boxing association. Give them some headgear and **** Tyson could finally have his chance at Bowe and I'd love for Foreman to avenge his loss against Holyfield, Moorer and Holmes would be good also.

I thought that Holyfield was done at least 3 fights ago. He is one of my favorite boxers ever. It is a sad thing to see him in the ring these days.

The saddest thing about Holyfield last night wasnt his performance against Larry Donald, it was his battle with Larry Merchant trying to understandably answer the questions that were asked he stuttered 75 times very sad. Maybe someone should start a seniors boxing association. Give them some headgear and **** Tyson could finally have his chance at Bowe and I'd love for Foreman to avenge his loss against Holyfield, Moorer and Holmes would be good also.

Sad to say it but I have to agree with you on this, if we can not stop these old guys to fight and totally damage themselves, maybe you are right that they should fight in a Senior's Association with enough protection like the amateurs and 3-5 rounds should be enough to satisfy their competitive desire, ego and financial needs, plus maybe we can get a good match-up somewhere....

yah, Holyfield has got more fights in him, losing fights! Holyfield doesn't need the money like Tyson, so he should hang it up. Holyfield reminds me of Apollo Creed in Rocky IV, the similiarities are uncanny! :mad:

Maybe the guy is doing what he likes?
(Although it might be an unhealty hobby)

Holyfield has been called old and worn on many occassions the last, but later came up with an spectacular win or fight.

Maybe the guy is doing what he likes?
(Although it might be an unhealty hobby)

Holyfield has been called old and worn on many occassions the last, but later came up with an spectacular win or fight.

Also say Tyson would make a succesful comeback, the third bout of these "slightly" over the top boxers might prove an interesting match.

holyfield should call it quits

Holyfield was washed up ages ago. His speech is slurred these days too. He's an accident waiting to happen.

actually holyfield does need the money. he has how many kids by how many women? i don't think any of us could afford that. the man needs to quit. what good is all the money in the world if you can't enjoy it with your loved ones. he was a shot fighter before he fought lennox lewis. after the first lewis fight i thought he should quit. he will in my eyes always be one of the greatest warriors to enter the ring.

I missed the fight.....gutted.

Put a fork in him.

holyfield was shot long ago. even before he beat tyson it was just a case of him having a style that matched up weel against tysons.

actually holyfield does need the money. he has how many kids by how many women? i don't think any of us could afford that. the man needs to quit. what good is all the money in the world if you can't enjoy it with your loved ones. he was a shot fighter before he fought lennox lewis. after the first lewis fight i thought he should quit. he will in my eyes always be one of the greatest warriors to enter the ring.

Yeah, his 'way with the ladies' will be the end of him; not the ring! He will always be remembered as a great warrior by many of us, and I think the absolute worse thing that could happen to him is for him to actually win a fight at this point. Then he'll never retire and end up in really bad shape :(

I think his time has come and gone, christ i recall being little watching him fight cruisers, now it's just sad, i would hate to actually see him mamed, killed, brain dead anything, he got beat by LARRY DONALD for christs sake, does he need anymore convincing than that, he will be remembered for being the first 4 time HVY champ, but it will be sad to see a crippled, vegetable during the "Behind the Glory" interview segments

i hope this puts to rest those people who still thought holy was a force in the division....

Maybe the guy is doing what he likes?
(Although it might be an unhealty hobby)

Holyfield has been called old and worn on many occassions the last, but later came up with an spectacular win or fight.
C'mon, man! You're either a sadist or blind if you think Holyfield should keep fighting. Even if he likes it, it doesn't mean you should.

I want him to fight Tyson again. Let's put it the way it was supposed to be originally. That would convince him to quit. But there is another theory to Holyfield's futility. Which fight did it all start in? The Lewis fight! Which fighters has he lost to recently? Lewis, Byrd, Toney, Donald, all boxers! Which fighter did he beat recently? Rahman, a slugger! Holyfield always had trouble with fighters who boxed him and made him be the aggressor. He might just beat Tyson again! I dunno, it's possible!

You want Holyfield to retire? Have Tyson knock him out, and have the crowd laugh at him on some "No Mas" ****, and he'll leave. It's you people who keep him here. With your cheering and all that other stuff he's not worthy of.

It is really sad to see a great boxer just go on when he shoud reitired

You want Holyfield to retire? Have Tyson knock him out, and have the crowd laugh at him on some "No Mas" ****, and he'll leave. It's you people who keep him here. With your cheering and all that other stuff he's not worthy of.
I don't know any real fan of boxing who wants Holyfield to retire, but continues to cheer his exploits in the ring. I think your post is addressed to 2 different people entirely, and I should add too that the number of people who actually are cheering him on are very few and far between right now.

The question most of us are asking is "What will it take to get Holy out of boxing?" Right now, I'd have to say it's probably going to take a Boxing Commission's orders - cuz I don't think he's ever going to do it voluntarily.

I don't know any real fan of boxing who wants Holyfield to retire, but continues to cheer his exploits in the ring. I think your post is addressed to 2 different people entirely, and I should add too that the number of people who actually are cheering him on are very few and far between right now.
Cheering for him is like at the Special Olympic's when they cheer for the handicapped people in basketball. People cheer for Holyfield because "he's special".

C'mon, man! You're either a sadist or blind if you think Holyfield should keep fighting. Even if he likes it, it doesn't mean you should.
I did not say I WANT him to fight on, but if it is his choice he should. There are fighters out there with less skill than Evander, and absolutely no prospect ever to fight for ANY tittle ever. Should WE decide they should all quit? All the tomato cans?
Their live their choice.

I did not say I WANT him to fight on, but if it is his choice he should. There are fighters out there with less skill than Evander, and absolutely no prospect ever to fight for ANY tittle ever. Should WE decide they should all quit? All the tomato cans?
Their live their choice.
But Holyfield's problem isn't just that he sucks, it's that his health is at risk.

The question most of us are asking is "What will it take to get Holy out of boxing?" Right now, I'd have to say it's probably going to take a Boxing Commission's orders - cuz I don't think he's ever going to do it voluntarily.
Does he has a physical defects why he should not box? No? On what ground would they deny this man HIS boxing?

Does he has a physical defects why he should not box? No? On what ground would they deny this man HIS boxing?
His inability to defend himself in the most dangerous sport in the world.

But Holyfield's problem isn't just that he sucks, it's that his health is at risk.
Howbout the guys that are used to to get nice starting records the tomato cans. Every boxer (especially in the heavyweights) risks their health. As ling as there is no bodyly defect there is no way anybody can and should deny this mans hobby.

Some people smoke that is unhealty, other people box that is unhealty.

His inability to defend himself in the most dangerous sport in the world.
That is what you think. He has 2 arms that he can hold for his face? For the boxing rules he is able to defend himself.

Howbout the guys that are used to to get nice starting records the tomato cans. Every boxer (especially in the heavyweights) risks their health. As ling as there is no bodyly defect there is no way anybody can and should deny this mans hobby.

Some people smoke that is unhealty, other people box that is unhealty.
But the tomato cans eventually quit when they are no longer able to defend themselves. Would you approve of your grandpa getting in the ring at an advanced age?

Holyfield is ruining his own career, he is losing stock in himself. People are not going to remember him for his great wins, but for the ass beatings he took from lesser opposition. Larry Donald would not have been able to do this to Holyfield back in the day. We all know that. Holyfield is not a fluke by any means, its like saying Ali was a fluke. I wish he didn't take the Ruiz fights and beyond. He should have quit after Lewis 1. He was given a gift then, kinda like Lewis was given against Vitali. Lewis knew it, Holyfield should have too.

But the tomato cans eventually quit when they are no longer able to defend themselves. Would you approve of your grandpa getting in the ring at an advanced age?

You have to dig him up first.

But here you have a good example. He quit smoking, and every day after that he longed for a sigaret. 3 years later he died. What was the use for him quiting? Should he not have enjoyed his sigaret during the time he was given?

This was an eye opener for me: better die and have lived your life, than to live a "no" life (in Dutch it sounds better).

Holyfield should do the same. If he wants to fight, and is aware of the consequenses, he should.

Holyfield is ruining his own career, he is losing stock in himself. People are not going to remember him for his great wins, but for the ass beatings he took from lesser opposition. Larry Donald would not have been able to do this to Holyfield back in the day. We all know that. Holyfield is not a fluke by any means, its like saying Ali was a fluke. I wish he didn't take the Ruiz fights and beyond. He should have quit after Lewis 1. He was given a gift then, kinda like Lewis was given against Vitali. Lewis knew it, Holyfield should have too.

SOME of us will remember........and LL DID NOT get a 'gift' against Vitali. The guy's eye was almost hanging out of it's socket...how you see that as a gift I'll never understand. :eek: Vitali was the one that got the gift; the gift of getting into the ring with the champ in the first place, and the gift of keeping that eye. ;)

Well everything has an ending . . . this is it for Holy . . . sad to say he is no longer the real deal.

it is sad, i thought Holy might still have something left, but after seeing him MAKE LARRY DONALD LOOK GOOD, i know he's done. If he doesn't quit he'll die in the ring when he faces a big puncher, when instead he should be enjoying his hall of fame status. i guess he doesn't want to let go of his career, but all that pride will cost him his life

SOME of us will remember........and LL DID NOT get a 'gift' against Vitali. The guy's eye was almost hanging out of it's socket...how you see that as a gift I'll never understand. :eek: Vitali was the one that got the gift; the gift of getting into the ring with the champ in the first place, and the gift of keeping that eye. ;)

Hehehe when was that? Not in the first fight.

Hehehe when was that? Not in the first fight.

Lennox and Vitali only fought once :confused:

Lennox and Vitali only fought once :confused:
As far as I know, yeah. :)
But in this fight I did not see the event you were describing (eyeball almost out of socket), so maybe you were refering to another fight. ;)

Definetly His Done Nothing To Prove Anymore

As far as I know, yeah. :)
But in this fight I did not see the event you were describing (eyeball almost out of socket), so maybe you were refering to another fight. ;)

Pardon a SLIGHT exzaggeration, but regardless his eye was in terrible shape (piss poor shape to be exact) but if you want to act like you dont know that's what I mean then go right ahead.
That cut looked down right scary, and if the fight had continued he may HAVE lost it (the eye) but if you only saw a little scratch or something, then I wont fault you for that. :rolleyes: (I say that cause you knew what I meant but since youre being 'literal' and all.....)

Who Cares He's Just A Memory Why Are We Still On This Topic.he's 90 Years Old Forget About Him.was Great No Longer Good.

i had a past a few days ago saying how holyfield can shock tha world by beain tha champ again, everyone thought his careers over after gettin ko'd by james "lights out" toney
his excuse was i wasnt in shape, what's his excuse now
HE NEEDS TO RETIRE, he reminds me of meldrick taylor, after he fought chavez and tha way he talks now, a sad story.

everytime i hear of holyfield and him still fighting, i start to forget everythin he's done ( his fights with bowe, tyson, Foreman, larry holmes, buster douglas etc)

he should retire b4 ppl forget those fights

I can't believe that he's still fighting till this day.:nonono:

I can't believe that he's still fighting till this day.:nonono:
lol, why dig up this thread to make this point?

Funny though.

Was he as bad against Donald as he was a couple of months ago against Williams? That performance was absolutely woeful.

as long as Evander "juices up" with EPO, he can fight well till he's 55 years old.

I can't believe that he's still fighting till this day.:nonono:

EPO Steroids/Hormones is boxing's "fountain of youth" nowadays.

EPO Steroids/Hormones is boxing's "fountain of youth" nowadays.

just look at nate, shane and berndard.

They can all fight till they hit 50, with EPO.

Conte has really "contributed" to boxing.:thumbsdow

just look at nate, shane and berndard.

They can all fight till they hit 50, with EPO.

Conte has really "contributed" to boxing.:thumbsdow

I forgot to add Andre, Amir and Bradley to the list.

Holyfield is just getting started, he's beginning his second prime.

Holy, get out from the ring! It is already not fun... Infamy...

7 years later..lol

Holyfield was done. Now he's undone.