6:30 look at his eyes jajaaja


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Pryor should have accepted the $500,000 offer to fight Leonard.

I used to like Legendary Nights. Now people have almost made me hate the show.

Do I smell duck frickasy?

Do I smell duck frickasy?

Can a champ "duck" someone in a lower weight division? What if he's offered him half a million?

Is it a "duck" because he low-balled him?

I don't know about that all I know is Pryor said I want to fight and Leonard blew him off. Believe me I'm not saying that Leonard couldn't handle him. If he did get offered 500,000 then it's on him, but I don't believe that when he was only making 2000.00 to fight.

I don't know about that all I know is Pryor said I want to fight and Leonard blew him off. Believe me I'm not saying that Leonard couldn't handle him. If he did get offered 500,000 then it's on him, but I don't believe that when he was only making 2000.00 to fight.

I've read/heard from a few sources that after his constant badgering of Leonard for a fight he was offered $500k to Ray's $3-4 mil and turned it down because of the unfair split.

How true that is I couldn't say but I've heard it several times.

I don't know about that all I know is Pryor said I want to fight and Leonard blew him off. Believe me I'm not saying that Leonard couldn't handle him. If he did get offered 500,000 then it's on him, but I don't believe that when he was only making 2000.00 to fight.

For one, much is too made out of fighters "calling out" opponents. It's not some lunch room fight where you have to fight someone who verbally challenges you. Boxing is a sport/business and generally, you earn your shot at a champion by beating fighters in that weight division and becoming a contender in that division. Now sometimes we get two champs in different divisions fighting each other (PBF-Hatton, Whitaker-Chavez, etc...), which is good, but it's not a requirement of the champ to fight a guy in a different weight division.

Second, Leonard did offer Pryor a fight for $500k, according to a very good Sports Illustrated article around the time. Pryor also had a offer for a big money fight with Duran, but managerial problems ruined it.

I just find it strange as to how people are so gullible as to believe that some short clip of a guy asking for a fight and not fighting him proves some sort of "fear", or so and so "ducking" the other. Of course the big names get challenged publicly all the time. The real "calling out" is in negotiations.

I've read/heard from a few sources that after his constant badgering of Leonard for a fight he was offered $500k to Ray's $3-4 mil and turned it down because of the unfair split.

How true that is I couldn't say but I've heard it several times.

Pryor ended up getting paid a lot more for the Arguello fights so I guess it worked out okay for him in this regard.

Arguello was a much more beatable opponent and paid Pryor more than the greedy Leonard.

Pryor ended up getting paid a lot more for the Arguello fights so I guess it worked out okay for him in this regard.

Arguello was a much more beatable opponent and paid Pryor more than the greedy Leonard.

True, but I'm sure alot of people use this as an example of Leonard pricing himself out of a Pryor fight ala RJJ thus he was running.

For one, much is too made out of fighters "calling out" opponents. It's not some lunch room fight where you have to fight someone who verbally challenges you. Boxing is a sport/business and generally, you earn your shot at a champion by beating fighters in that weight division and becoming a contender in that division. Now sometimes we get two champs in different divisions fighting each other (PBF-Hatton, Whitaker-Chavez, etc...), which is good, but it's not a requirement of the champ to fight a guy in a different weight division.

Second, Leonard did offer Pryor a fight for $500k, according to a very good Sports Illustrated article around the time. Pryor also had a offer for a big money fight with Duran, but managerial problems ruined it.

I just find it strange as to how people are so gullible as to believe that some short clip of a guy asking for a fight and not fighting him proves some sort of "fear", or so and so "ducking" the other. Of course the big names get challenged publicly all the time. The real "calling out" is in negotiations.I feel you and I can understand where Pryor felt like he belongs with the elite and wanted to make elite money. It's just hard to believe that he turned down 500k when he was making only 2k. To me it would seem like him or someone close to him would have stepped up and showed him the upside of beating the likes of Leonard. If it was me I would have taken 10k for that chance at stardom/wealth.

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1126084/index.htm

6:30 look at his eyes jajaaja


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Lol. Leonard pwned Pryor there.

"It's my show. Any other questions?" :lol1::lol1:

Pryor should have accepted the $500,000 offer to fight Leonard.

I used to like Legendary Nights. Now people have almost made me hate the show.

I'm with you on that one.

If I never have to hear another "Chavez ruined Taylor" or "Leonard ducked Pryor" comment again, I'll be satisfied.

Leonard did not duck Pryor. Leonard was worthy of more money than what Pryor offered him, and Ray turned him down.

If they had fought, Ray Leonard would've put on a masterclass against Pryor. You're talking about a guy who was capable of making Hearns, Hagler, and Duran look like chumps at times.

And little 140lbs Aaron Pryor had him shook?

Yeah right.

I'm with you on that one.

If I never have to hear another "Chavez ruined Taylor" or "Leonard ducked Pryor" comment again, I'll be satisfied.

Leonard did not duck Pryor. Leonard was worthy of more money than what Pryor offered him, and Ray turned him down.

If they had fought, Ray Leonard would've put on a masterclass against Pryor. You're talking about a guy who was capable of making Hearns, Hagler, and Duran look like chumps at times.

And little 140lbs Aaron Pryor had him shook?

Yeah right.

I find Trinidad-Vargas and Chavez-Taylor similar in terms of the declines of the losing fighters. Young champs who were decorated amateurs (though Vargas didn't do well in Atlanta in 96') and suffered brutal beatings in their first defeats to more experienced champs. People often say "ruined" in their defeats, but often that term is used as an exaggeration. Both guys took too much punishment in general. Taylor liked to get into exchanges too often and Vargas had some pretty grueling fights with Wright and Quartey before fighting Tito. I thought both guys were still pretty good after their losses, even if they weren't the same. I think Taylor beating Davis for a title @ 147 was better than anything Vargas did post-Trinidad, and he also didn't look as shaky in the 2nd Ramos fight as Vargas did in his 2 fights post-Tito. Maybe the Stanozol helped, but Vargas actually looked pretty good against DLH for most of the fight. Definitely better than his previous 2 bouts. But he ended up suffering another devastating TKO loss and had those back injuries.

Taylor was bound to have a short lifespan at the top level IMO, due to style, weight problems, and the talent pool at 147 during the time. Taylor moved up to 147 after Chavez I, citing weight issues. He did make 140 four years later but that might've just been a desperate effort for one last big payday. Taylor was a short, stocky, hittable guy and WW around the early to mid 90s had guys like Trinidad, Quartey, Espana, stablemate Whitaker.

Unless he's protected by management well, or is able to go back down to 140, I don't think he would've had much longevity anyway.