I don't if y'all heard this in the news already. But Mexican Pres. Calderon will not allow US troops inside Mexico to fight and train alongside the Mexican military. But, would like to share intelligence with American gov't to combat the powerful drug cartels.

My question to you Pinoys, especially the ones in the Philippines. Are you guys still in favor of the VFA. What kind of impact has the VFA had really, I mean, did it really help quell the Muslim violence in Mindanao. Is the Philippine military that much better off being trained by G.I Joe?

Discuss!

they had bad rep here....recently one their soldiers raped a filipina (her name is nicole) and our stupid goverment did nothing to resolve the situation, instead of apprehending they let US embassy to "arrest" their own soldier...afterwhile, the rapist (i think smith is his name) finally deported back in US while poor nicole retracted her accusation bcoz of our "justice" dept. negligence to pursue the case...haay

they had bad rep here....recently one their soldiers raped a filipina (her name is nicole) and our stupid goverment did nothing to resolve the situation, instead of apprehending they let US embassy to "arrest" their own soldier...afterwhile, the rapist (i think smith is his name) finally deported back in US while poor nicole retracted her accusation bcoz of our "justice" dept. negligence to pursue the case...haay


She retracted probably because it didn't happen? She was a paid sex worker who needed money maybe?

I don't if y'all heard this in the news already. But Mexican Pres. Calderon will not allow US troops inside Mexico to fight and train alongside the Mexican military. But, would like to share intelligence with American gov't to combat the powerful drug cartels.

My question to you Pinoys, especially the ones in the Philippines. Are you guys still in favor of the VFA. What kind of impact has the VFA had really, I mean, did it really help quell the Muslim violence in Mindanao. Is the Philippine military that much better off being trained by G.I Joe?

Discuss!

our soldiers are severely undertrained.

they are also under equipped.

at the very least at least we're getting some hand me down equipment.



libre nga ang tulong......bakit mag reclamo pa?

they had bad rep here....recently one their soldiers raped a filipina (her name is nicole) and our stupid goverment did nothing to resolve the situation, instead of apprehending they let US embassy to "arrest" their own soldier...afterwhile, the rapist (i think smith is his name) finally deported back in US while poor nicole retracted her accusation bcoz of our "justice" dept. negligence to pursue the case...haay

there's always bad people no matter the military. it's just like any other group or section of people.

if an accountant rapes someone , does it make all accountants look bad?

people just overdramatizes ****.

why let the u.s. embassy arrest him? if he's on u.s. embassy grounds that's sovereign u.s. territory. the paraq can't go in there if they wanted to.

there's always bad people no matter the military. it's just like any other group or section of people.

if an accountant rapes someone , does it make all accountants look bad?

people just overdramatizes ****.

why let the u.s. embassy arrest him? if he's on u.s. embassy grounds that's sovereign u.s. territory. the paraq can't go in there if they wanted to.

The problem is that Smith was convicted of rape and should be punished under Filipino Law... But, under the 1999 Visiting Forces Agreement, all accused US military personel are to be turned over to US officials...

In my opinion, this agreement is a smack on the face of the sovereignty of the Philippines... It gives the right for US military to run around PI breaking laws with impunity...




Terrorism today with Gloria is much like the supposed communism threat which Marcos manipulated to gain US financial and political support... Gloria, just as Marcos in the past, has used American support to maintain her regime and suppress local political opposition....

VFA bring more benefit! that nicole girl was a prostitute. lol

The problem is that Smith was convicted of rape and should be punished under Filipino Law... But, under the 1999 Visiting Forces Agreement, all accused US military personel are to be turned over to US officials...

In my opinion, this agreement is a smack on the face of the sovereignty of the Philippines... It gives the right for US military to run around PI breaking laws with impunity...




Terrorism today with Gloria is much like the supposed communism threat which Marcos manipulated to gain US financial and political support... Gloria, just as Marcos in the past, has used American support to maintain her regime and suppress local political opposition....

out of curiousity. if philippines courts and police know that they can't try them , then why bother? waste of time and money plus it riles up the plebs.

i don't get the anti-american sentiment. i just don't get it. sometimes when i read pinoy newspapers it makes me shake my head.

question. are they there to help us or for us to help them?

you know how americans get about their rights. they don't trust their own justice system do you think they'll trust the justice system of some third world country?

if philippines doesn't like parts of the vfa , then simple turn down the aid and help. america has similar conditions with almost every country it has troops in , philippines is no way special in this case.

We really cant compare both the VFA and the drug problems in Mexico.


I think the main problem in Mexico is they dont want to have Americans have control of their own affairs and even blames the US because of its "insatiable appettite" for drugs which is the root of the problem. Its just that the drug cartels have seem to have overpowered Mexico's military force which is alarming and the US would not want that to be a sign of things to embolden other cartels.

The VFA on the other hand is more of a military exercise aimed at exchanging technologies and military development of both countries. However, certain provisions in the VFA are disadvantageous to the country hence a call to its revocation.

The former was more of a military intervention while the latter is a joint military exercise.

We really cant compare both the VFA and the drug problems in Mexico.


I think the main problem in Mexico is they dont want to have Americans have control of their own affairs and even blames the US because of its "insatiable appettite" for drugs which is the root of the problem. Its just that the drug cartels have seem to have overpowered Mexico's military force which is alarming and the US would not want that to be a sign of things to embolden other cartels.

The VFA on the other hand is more of a military exercise aimed at exchanging technologies and military development of both countries. However, certain provisions in the VFA are disadvantageous to the country hence a call to its revocation.

The former was more of a military intervention while the latter is a joint military exercise.So is the mu*lim situation under control now because the Phil army are trained by the Joes, how do y'all see it.

How much of a difference does the VFA really have ? Is the country really gonna go down the tubes w/o the VFA. How was the national security of the Philippines pre-VFA?

How was the national security of the Philippines pre-VFA?

the national security of the philippines is guaranteed by the u.s.

without the u.s. , philippines has nothing to defend itself with.

if anything were to ever happen we would have to rely on the americans for our defense.

simply put. most of our military equipment are hand me downs from the u.s. military.

they have to train us in the use of these weapons right?

u.s. forces cannot and will not come into the philippines unless there is a VFA agreement.

like i said EVERY country that has u.s. troops stationed or involved has to have their own version of the VFA.

let's not get all caught up in talk about "INSULT TO OUR NATION" talk like we are somehow being picked on or something.

GERMANY , JAPAN , SOUTH KOREA , SAUDI ARABIA and many others have the same kind of agreement as we do and these nations are a lot stronger than ours politically , militarily , financially , etc.

funny case is south korea. for years the south korean government have complained about their version of the vfa with the u.s. BUT south korean vfa-type agreements with other nations that they sent troops to actually have a more stringent form than the american version that they complain about.

simply put. if we want u.s. help we have to agree to the vfa. just like everyone else.

So is the mu*lim situation under control now because the Phil army are trained by the Joes, how do y'all see it.

How much of a difference does the VFA really have ? Is the country really gonna go down the tubes w/o the VFA. How was the national security of the Philippines pre-VFA?

it doesn't matter if the muslim situation is under control or not.

fact is they are helping us.

no matter how bad it gets there , do you really think it'll be better without help?

think of it this way , if i'm helping you move and it took both of us 6 hours to complete the job......no matter how lazy i might be or how little i helped you , would you have accomplished it any faster or better by yourself?

there's more to the military than just a bunch of guys with an m-16 running around in the jungle.

there are just some things the philippine military is not equipped with.

thing like recon drones and satellites and recon planes. things we don't have. things we can't afford.

let's not kid ourselves. our military has NO money whatsoever. we depend on the u.s. for what little we have.

out of curiousity. if philippines courts and police know that they can't try them , then why bother? waste of time and money plus it riles up the plebs.

i don't get the anti-american sentiment. i just don't get it. sometimes when i read pinoy newspapers it makes me shake my head.

question. are they there to help us or for us to help them?

you know how americans get about their rights. they don't trust their own justice system do you think they'll trust the justice system of some third world country?

if philippines doesn't like parts of the vfa , then simple turn down the aid and help. america has similar conditions with almost every country it has troops in , philippines is no way special in this case.



Wow, bro, the degree of your ignorance is immeasurable... Its quite embarrassing really...

Ok, I have a bit of time so where do I begin????

First off, the 1999 VFA stipulates that American personell are to be handed over, but, it does not mean they could not be arrested by Pinoy authorities... The charges of rape in the Philippines is held at a more serious regard than in America, so much so, that previously this crime was punishable by death.... Imagine if your sister or mother were raped by a foreign soldier, would you not want your local authorities to act and at least apprehend the accused????

Secondly, is it anti-American to want justice???? I am a Fil-AM but fully understand the importance of the unhindered sovereignty of the Philippines... The difference between you and I is that I understand the ramifications of American "aid" its political/economic/social effects not only in the Philippines but in the world at large...

For people like you, its a simple case of America "aiding" the Philippines and if they didnt want the aid then why sign the agreement, right??? Let me ask you this, whats in it for America??? Is it because America is so nice and kind that they are willing to spend billions on us Pilipinos for nothing in return??? LMAO

If you didnt know, Philippines for over a century has remained a vital economic periphery as well as being a highly significant military location... So much so, every major political umheaval or change has seen heavy clandestined CIA interference... Every single Filipino president either had ties or were dierctly influenced by the CIA... From attempted assassinations, to subsidies and financial support for the media, political parties, trade unions, universities and business associations, yes, you name it, American clandestine agents were at work in the Philippines... As a matter of fact, Manila was the headquarters for CIA operations of South East Asia...LMAO

Thirdly, do you think a leader could afford to say no or refuse to sign the VFA agreement??? If you think yes than I do believe you are more of an idiot than I thought...

Philippines was regarded as the stronghold for American Imperialism for the entire SE Asian region... Do you really think a Pinoy Administration could remain in power if it was seen as anti-American??? Read the Church Committee Report where it documents CIA's involvement in the overthrow and destabilization foreign governments through out the world that was seen as anti-American... The outright assassinations of Patrice Lamumba of Congo, Chilean President Salvador Allende, Ecuadorian President Jaime Roldós Aguilera, Panamanian General Torrijos, etc.. etc... The list is wayyyyyy too long to type....

Lastly, you really need to read more and educate yourself... Its ridiclulous how much you dont know...

Wow, bro, the degree of your ignorance is immeasurable... Its quite embarrassing really...

Ok, I have a bit of time so where do I begin????

First off, the 1999 VFA stipulates that American personell are to be handed over, but, it does not mean they could not be arrested by Pinoy authorities... The charges of rape in the Philippines is held at a more serious regard than in America, so much so, that previously this crime was punishable by death.... Imagine if your sister or mother were raped by a foreign soldier, would you not want your local authorities to act and at least apprehend the accused????

Secondly, is it anti-American to want justice???? I am a Fil-AM but fully understand the importance of the unhindered sovereignty of the Philippines... The difference between you and I is that I understand the ramifications of American "aid" its political/economic/social effects not only in the Philippines but in the world at large...

For people like you, its a simple case of America "aiding" the Philippines and if they didnt want the aid then why sign the agreement, right??? Let me ask you this, whats in it for America??? Is it because America is so nice and kind that they are willing to spend billions on us Pilipinos for nothing in return??? LMAO

If you didnt know, Philippines for over a century has remained a vital economic periphery as well as being a highly significant military location... So much so, every major political umheaval or change has seen heavy clandestined CIA interference... Every single Filipino president either had ties or were dierctly influenced by the CIA... From attempted assassinations, to subsidies and financial support for the media, political parties, trade unions, universities and business associations, yes, you name it, American clandestine agents were at work in the Philippines... As a matter of fact, Manila was the headquarters for CIA operations of South East Asia...LMAO

Thirdly, do you think a leader could afford to say no or refuse to sign the VFA agreement??? If you think yes than I do believe you are more of an idiot than I thought...

Philippines was regarded as the stronghold for American Imperialism for the entire SE Asian region... Do you really think a Pinoy Administration could remain in power if it was seen as anti-American??? Read the Church Committee Report where it documents CIA's involvement in the overthrow and destabilization foreign governments through out the world that was seen as anti-American... The outright assassinations of Patrice Lamumba of Congo, Chilean President Salvador Allende, Ecuadorian President Jaime Roldós Aguilera, Panamanian General Torrijos, etc.. etc... The list is wayyyyyy too long to type....

Lastly, you really need to read more and educate yourself... Its ridiclulous how much you dont know...

philippines is no different from most of the other countries that deals with the u.s.

the reason for the vfa is not to let rapists go and green light american soldiers into committing crime in the philippines.

from my understanding it's to protect american soldiers from being wrongfully imprisoned or sued. say an american soldier is involved in a firefight and accidently kills an innocent person or something. they don't want that soldier being arrested or sued.

they just don't want an american soldier to be arrested for doing their job. every country does agreements like this when they send troops abroad. it's quite normal.

remember the italian controversy a few years back? the american pilot who caused all those deaths at ski resort in the mountains or something. the italians were upset because they couldn't sue or charge the guy. those are the kind of incidents the vfa is for. not really for rape or some other kind of crime. it was intended to protect american soldiers just in case.

it might be unfair but if we want the aid we have to agree with it. everyone else does.





btw don't try to troll against me. you won't get to me. you're just annoying but you won't get me all hot and bothered. maybe if you make a calzaghe thread or something. lol

can't wait for your next ban. i'm sure your posts from your other accounts are probably easier to read.

philippines is no different from most of the other countries that deals with the u.s.

the reason for the vfa is not to let rapists go and green light american soldiers into committing crime in the philippines.

from my understanding it's to protect american soldiers from being wrongfully imprisoned or sued. say an american soldier is involved in a firefight and accidently kills an innocent person or something. they don't want that soldier being arrested or sued.

they just don't want an american soldier to be arrested for doing their job. every country does agreements like this when they send troops abroad. it's quite normal.

remember the italian controversy a few years back? the american pilot who caused all those deaths at ski resort in the mountains or something. the italians were upset because they couldn't sue or charge the guy. those are the kind of incidents the vfa is for. not really for rape or some other kind of crime. it was intended to protect american soldiers just in case.

it might be unfair but if we want the aid we have to agree with it. everyone else does.

btw don't try to troll against me. you won't get to me. you're just annoying but you won't get me all hot and bothered. maybe if you make a calzaghe thread or something. lol

can't wait for your next ban. i'm sure your posts from your other accounts are probably easier to read.

I guess you didnt read my post... Oh well, no one can say I didnt try to educate your ass...

My next ban??? LMAO... Every time I was banned it was because I was defending Pinoys and retaliating and everyone knows that.... See, I know your not a real Pinoy, being half ching chong and all, but us Warays fight till the death and defend what is right something your traitor ass will never know...

I dont care if you or anyone else dont like me or not, as long as I expose you for what you are my intentions are met...

I guess you didnt read my post... Oh well, no one can say I didnt try to educate your ass...

My next ban??? LMAO... Every time I was banned it was because I was defending Pinoys and retaliating and everyone knows that.... See, I know your not a real Pinoy, being half ching chong and all, but us Warays fight till the death and defend what is right something your traitor ass will never know...

I dont care if you or anyone else dont like me or not, as long as I expose you for what you are my intentions are met...

your alt is E-waray!!!!!!!! :dance: