Interesting to hear opinions on this...

Red K to anyone that seriously thinks Jack can beat Wlad. :)

Dempsey KO1 .

Dempsey KO1 .

Red K for you :)

Dempsey by early KO

i honestly am not sure about this one

i think i have expressed the view in the past that dempsey would have been ktfo, wlad is very vulnerable and i think if jack could pounce early and catch the giant cold he could very well KO him

but if wlad survives the early onslaught i think he would outbox dempsey before koing him

I hate Wlad just as much as the next guy, but he destroys Wack Dempsey.

Wlad is just too big, If wlad was like 6 foot 2/3 and 225/230 he would get battered by 6/10 heavies, however his freakish size gives him an advantage that is hard to counter.

I hate Wlad just as much as the next guy, but he destroys Wack Dempsey.

That just retarded

That just retarded

How so?..........

I think Wlad is just too big and strong and beats Dempsey easily, and I don't care if Jess Willard was a big guy, Wlad would have destroyed him too.

How can you talk about Wlad like he's in the same league as Dempsey. Who has Wlad beat? Nobody good, nobody. He just fights bum after bum or shot fighter after shot fighter and now suddenly he's some kinda' heavyweight legend..

I can't wait till he's exposed as a ***** by Haye.

Last time Wlad fought a legit' heavyweight that wasn't a fat bum he got knocked out.

How can you talk about Wlad like he's in the same league as Dempsey. Who has Wlad beat? Nobody good, nobody. He just fights bum after bum or shot fighter after shot fighter and now suddenly he's some kinda' heavyweight legend..

I can't wait till he's exposed as a ***** by Haye.

Last time Wlad fought a legit' heavyweight that wasn't a fat bum he got knocked out.

Thanks for the "grey" k, jerk. I was joking about the red k :bottle:

A "jerk" would have given you red, not grey.

Jack was strong and would keep on coming he is small for a heavyweight but he used to seriously cut to make his fighting weight he could be a 230lb with todays rubbish conditioning, i could see Wlad winning the early rounds and Dempsey putting the pressure on him and knocking him out late. Its really impossible to know what would happen though as they are from different era's.

You have no karma points, whether you want to give someone green or red it wouldn't matter. It shows up as grey.

is this a joke? dempsey would die

is this a joke? dempsey would dieHow does Dempsey die just exactly?

I don't know that Klitchko has the speed to outbox him from the outside and on the inside it's all Dempsey.

Waldimir beats Dempsey. if you think Wladimir beat Dempsey who is an all-time great then you must think Wlad an ATG himself hmmm!!!!!

How does Dempsey die just exactly?

in 4478576865485856768856 different ways before he hit the ground

wlads right hand would....discombobulate him

How can you talk about Wlad like he's in the same league as Dempsey. Who has Wlad beat? Nobody good, nobody. He just fights bum after bum or shot fighter after shot fighter and now suddenly he's some kinda' heavyweight legend..

I can't wait till he's exposed as a ***** by Haye.

Last time Wlad fought a legit' heavyweight that wasn't a fat bum he got knocked out.

That is exactly what I think, he ain't beat anyone, hes just the king of a division full of **** fighters.

Some of the people on these forums are dellusional.

The HW Division is dead. Its beyond a joke. Infact you cannot find a more ridiculous time when the HW was even closed to bad as this. It's just too difficult to describe how pathetic the modern HW division is.
Sooner people accept that, the better

The only reason the Klitchko brothers seem so "amazingly legendary" as the king of the heavyweight devision is becuase there not scared to actually throw more than 10 punches a round.

But for Dempsey vs Wlad? Dempsey all the way, he fought in an era of warriors, when guys went like 40 rounds and fought until the other was nearly dead.

Wlad fights in an era where everyone is scared to throw a punch and so overweight that they create an earthquake when the hit the canvas.

Even If Wlad stayed outside and tried to outbox dempsey, dempsey would find a way onto the inside and rock him hard. Dempsey was regarded as one of the hardest hitting men in the heavyweight devision at his time. One reporter from a few years back stated that "dempsey was the size of a light heavyweight, and hit as hard as a superheavyweight"

So in the end DEMPSEY BY KO

in 4478576865485856768856 different ways before he hit the ground

wlads right hand would....discombobulate himUnless of course Dempsey used his superior footwork and hand speed not to mention his punching power to counter a lazy left jab or amaturish left hook with his own left hook and comence the downfall. TIMBERRR.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40092000/jpg/_40092495_wlad203_getty.jpg

Wlad would be in better condition than the Willard that fought Dempsey but the end result would be the same. Wlad would lean down to throw his jab and get blasted by the Dempsey Roll. Fight over.

Jess was the Klit of the era.

Same height and weight and held his hands in similar fashion. Although Wlad is a better fighter than Jess, Willard has a better chin + heart and stamina. If Wlad keeps Jack at the end of his jab he wins. If Jack gets in with that left, Wlad would be down and out. I'd pick the latter. Be nice to see Wlad fight a decent hardpunching heavyweight who isn't obese.

Ive never been impressed with Dempsey. Tunney outboxed Dempsey, and even though Dempsey was 'past prime' and blah blah Tunney really didnt have that hard a time, other than that long count business. I dont see Dempsey being able to deal with someone who fought like Tunney, except was huge and hit harder with every punch.

I give credit to Dempsey for him coming up with that bob and weaving style, but it was still very raw when he used it, and it had plenty of flaws. other fighters have built upon it since then, and have used it better than Dempsey himself.

Wladimir is no Jess Willard, who only got into boxing when he was in his mid 20s and only had success because he was tall. Wladimir would knock out Dempsey.

Here is the complete Jack Dempsey vs Jess Willard fight:

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Dempsey sparring with Big Bill Tate:

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[QUOTE=blackirish] I dont see Dempsey being able to deal with someone who fought like Tunney, except was huge and hit harder with every punch.So Klitschko is now a master boxer? :nutkick:



Wladimir is no Jess Willard.....Your right. He couldn't take it like Willard. .....and only had success because he was tall.:beerchug:Wladimir would knock out Dempsey. Dempsey demonstrated great durability and an Iron chin in the Ring. He's not getting KOd. :twak:

So Klitschko is now a master boxer? :nutkick:
yes, hes pretty damn good, aint he? he has a powerful, good jab and a very nasty right hand. and thats basically all Tunney needed to throw against Dempsey to beat him.

and even where he lacks in skill, I think he just might make up for that in his power, reach and size.

I will say that Willard was tougher than Wlad, but watch the man. his defence is awful, and doesnt have half the power or speed that Wlad has. doesnt keep the distance as well as Wlad does either. Tunney was able to beat Dempsey using jabs and right hands on the outside, and then clinching right away when Dempsey got close. sound like anyone to you?
Wlad is far from invincible, but he has more than enough tools to beat Jack Dempsey.

Tunney was a lot more entertaining then Wlad was imo. So they aren't that similar.

Also watch that sparring video TheMachine posted. Dempsey does a good job of really slipping the other guys jab. The other dude seems to have some speed as well.

[QUOTE=blackirish]yes, hes pretty damn good, aint he?No, he's not. He just one of the best of a terrible crop. With questionable stamina and suspect chin. good jab You call that a jab? He paws with his left and basically uses it to gauge distance to throw the right hand. and a very nasty right hand. That can be seen coming a mile away it's so predictable. and thats basically all Tunney needed to throw against Dempsey to beat him. Vlad couldn't ware Genes' Jock.


I will say that Willard was tougher than Wlad, but watch the man. his defence is awful.....And Vlads D skills are base. Consists of grabbing and running. Yup, a real defensive genius. and Willard doesnt have half the power or speed that Wlad has..... Thats debatable.doesnt keep the distance as well as Wlad does either...... Actually there styles are quit similar.Tunney was able to beat Dempsey using jabs and right hands on the outside, and then clinching right away when Dempsey got close. sound like anyone to you? You forgot about quick footwork, superior boxing skills, stamina, a Granite chin, and willpower. Wlad is far from invincible, but he has more than enough tools to beat Jack Dempsey. Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster anyone.

Never seen any full Jack Dempsey fights, dont know much about the guy except that in this day he'd be a cruiserweight, and that Mike Tyson has been compared to him. So im guessing he was a beast in his day, but at 6'7 or so, and at 230 or 240 lbs, Wlad would be way too big for Dempsey. He'd prolly KO him

[QUOTE]No, he's not. He just one of the best of a terrible crop. With questionable stamina and suspect chin. You call that a jab? He paws with his left and basically uses it to gauge distance to throw the right hand. That can be seen coming a mile away it's so predictable. Vlad couldn't ware Genes' Jock.


And Vlads D skills are base. Consists of grabbing and running. Yup, a real defensive genius. Thats debatable.. Actually there styles are quit similar. You forgot about quick footwork, superior boxing skills, stamina, a Granite chin, and willpower. Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster anyone.his jabs do a lot of damage for jabs, and do their job...it keeps his opponents off of him. dont be so biased. and his right hand isnt all that predictable when its behind that jab, and its quite quick for a big guy.

Wlad is WAY bigger than Tunney and hits harder as well. to pretend like that doesnt play a factor at all is a joke. and are you honestly trying to compare Wlad to Willard?
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First of all, the guy is awful. seriously, what the hell is he even trying to do? he has 0 footwork, he cant keep the distance at all, and he cant even clinch well.
second of all, he doesnt fight like Wladimir. maybe you could compare him to Vitali, but thats it. but Willard and Wladimir? no way
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and if youre going to try and play the opponents game, then dont forget Dempsey was knocked out cold by Fireman Jim, got outboxed by Bill Miske, could only beat Willie Meehan once out of 5 fights, got sent flying through the ropes against the unskilled Firpo, had to result to a low blow and hitting on the break combo to beat Jack Sharkey and got soundly outboxed and almost stopped twice against a light heavyweight.

this myth that Dempsey was an amazing fighter needs to end. he deserves respect for his advancements in boxing, but he was not the destroyer people make him out to be sometimes.

dempsey by KO

[QUOTE=zelenoff_chimp;4989014]

Wlad is WAY bigger than Tunney and hits harder as well. to pretend like that doesnt play a factor at all is a joke. and are you honestly trying to compare Wlad to Willard?


He is also alot slower than Tunney.

[QUOTE=blackirish137;4992871]

He is also alot slower than Tunney.


and has a china chin.