is it like that in other genres? or is this just a hip hop thing?

cuz you go around the internet you'll see threads Tupac sucks...or BIG is a one hit wonder....Wu-Tang is wack...

and it will have me puzzled, like WTF....is there any respect for anybody? lol.

you got people that will call Nas wack!! NAS, can you believe that ****? How the **** is Nas wack? I mean thats rediculous. I'm not saying you have to like his music, but its undeniable that hes a legend.

alot of rap fans around the net judge a rapper by his last album, i wonder if its like that in other genres. If legends of music like the Rolling Stones dropped a **** album, would people say they suck!!! THEY NEED TO QUIT!!!! I wonder if that happens....

smh @ people who say Wu-Tang is wack because 8 Diagrams wasnt as good as 36 chambers....

They must've forgot...

its a crazy world :crazy:, ain't no love in the heart of the city like Hov said...lol

Because kids today have no ****ing respect and think they know everything.....oh wait thats every generation.

I think part of why respect doesn't truly exist in hip hop(for the most part), is becaue hip hop came from the streets(inner city)....

and lets be honest, when your dealing with former crack pushers(not to say that they all are, but alot are)....theres not going to be alot of respect. lol

and the rappers at the bottom hate the very succesful ones, because thats what they want to be......but its a street mentality of, ok your at the top.....**** you, I'll take you down to get there myself.

I think part of why respect doesn't truly exist in hip hop(for the most part), is becaue hip hop came from the streets(inner city)....

and lets be honest, when your dealing with former crack pushers(not to say that they all are, but alot are)....theres not going to be alot of respect. lol

It's actually to the contrary IMO. There is plenty of repsect in the underworld.....But it's these rotten lil cunt suburnban kids like blood**** for instance that have no respect for anyone or anything.

Good question playa...

Honestly, up until the last Nas album, I couldn't stand him...as for Wu Tang, I just couldn't get with them dudes..Maybe they are legends but I just can't do it..

The legends of the game have all gone on this whole Hip Hop is dead crusade and have failed to embrace the way the game has evolved..LL Cool J is one of the only legends that has evolved with todays artist...I get tired of the whole hip hop is dead ****..It makes me sick because I truly feel that music has evolved..It has been dumbed down but it has evolved..

I know a lot of people who grew up listening to hip hop with me...just don't listen to that kind of music anymore

Roger Ebert, believe it or not, was once doing a hip-hop movie film review, and suggested that hip-hop was less about music than it is about attitude...it's a mainly "young person's genre"...

I'm beginning to get that way too...I have little to no interest in most of the "new" acts, and a lot of the new stuff from the old artists just seems desperate to me (the new Cube CD, LL's two previous CDs before this one, the new Wu-Tang etc.)

A lot of the fans buying stuff, downloading stuff, posting on message boards - they're not the people who listened to rap in the 1980s and early 1990s, so they're going to be biased towards what they were introduced to

And to Rosewood, I would agree that the game has changed, but I would use the word "devolved" rather than "evolved"... and part of it is in part to hip-hop's commercial success...artists aren't hungry anymore, they're getting rich off of silly cellphone ringtones and rewarded for merchandising rather than talent...

"Crossover", "Stay true to the Game", "Pop Goes The Weasel", "Mass Appeal"...those songs don't come out anymore because the whole point of much hip-hop now IS to sell out...because when you sell out you can show off your loot and your your cash in your videos and albums. LOL, Birdman could make an entire album of singles that pretty much consist of him running down a personal inventory of **** he's bought...

is it like that in other genres? or is this just a hip hop thing?

cuz you go around the internet you'll see threads Tupac sucks...or BIG is a one hit wonder....Wu-Tang is wack...

and it will have me puzzled, like WTF....is there any respect for anybody? lol.

you got people that will call Nas wack!! NAS, can you believe that ****? How the **** is Nas wack? I mean thats rediculous. I'm not saying you have to like his music, but its undeniable that hes a legend.

alot of rap fans around the net judge a rapper by his last album, i wonder if its like that in other genres. If legends of music like the Rolling Stones dropped a **** album, would people say they suck!!! THEY NEED TO QUIT!!!! I wonder if that happens....

smh @ people who say Wu-Tang is wack because 8 Diagrams wasnt as good as 36 chambers....

They must've forgot...

its a crazy world :crazy:, ain't no love in the heart of the city like Hov said...lol

Even though I think when people say that are joking, if anybody is serious they should stop listening to hip-hop immediately.

I'm still kind of young so I guess my opinion is a little skewed for hip-hop, maybe I have a lower standard than people who grew up listing to it would. I still try and get around to older hip-hop alot, there was alotta good **** coming out in 93-97. From what I've heard 94 was probably the best year for hip-hop.

There's still good **** coming out these days though, there's a few noteable albums and ep's that have dropped this year alone, people just need to look for it.

For Example:
UGK - UGK 4 Life
JR & PH7 - The Standard
Brother Ali - Te Truth Is Here EP
T-Rock - The Burning Book
Saigon & Statik Selektah - All In A Day's Work
Blueprint - Sign Language EP
Common Market - At Winter's End EP

Kids are the ones who don't acknowledge these legends.

Well another reason is that some of these artists have just stopped making music altogether. Take Rakim for example.

my theory is that each generation gets a little dumber (and obviously this aint entirely true) but its reflected in the mainstream music. Rappers keep findin new ways to dumb it down, commercial rap used to be great and now alot of its garbage.

These kids dont wanna hear nas, they wanna hear lil wayne. Hes easier to understand, you can dance to his music, get drunk to it, and **** to it.

my theory is that each generation gets a little dumber (and obviously this aint entirely true) but its reflected in the mainstream music. Rappers keep findin new ways to dumb it down, commercial rap used to be great and now alot of its garbage.

These kids dont wanna hear nas, they wanna hear lil wayne. Hes easier to understand, you can dance to his music, get drunk to it, and **** to it.

I think your right. Its sad...

M-E-T-H-O-D Man
Masta Ace
Diamond D
Kool G Rap
Rakim
Wu Tang
Tupac
Biggie
Main Source
Gang Starr
ATCQ
De La Soul
Arrested Development
... ..............

It's what they like and dislike. Can't hate on them for that.

The Topic reminds me of the track Where Are They Now.
What's funny is that in the early days there really wasn't alot of respect for vets. Once rappers had been around for a while they weren't considered legends, they were just played out, and people forgot about them. That's why you can't find 2 people in a crowd of 100 Hip Hop fans today who know who Redhead KingPin or Grand Puba are. The reason things were like this is because it was underground music, people didn't expect it to become what it is. It was just music made "on the block" and on the block, there were no "icons" there are just guys from the neighborhood. If they like what you're doing they listen to you're stuff and if they don't they just forget about it. Around the late late 90's a while after Hip Hop became the huge deal it is people began to become more sentimental about it's humble roots and you saw alot respect shown to certain vets like Run DMC.

The reason you don't see much repect around now however has to do with what people like. Young fans of quality non-mainstream Hip Hop usually have a lot of respect for the pioneers but fans of the mainstream don't. Why? Think of it this way, how much did Rakim REALLY contribute to the crap they listen to anyway.

is it like that in other genres? or is this just a hip hop thing?

cuz you go around the internet you'll see threads Tupac sucks...or BIG is a one hit wonder....Wu-Tang is wack...

who the **** said wu-tang is wack?
bunch of ******s :nonono:

The Topic reminds me of the track Where Are They Now.
What's funny is that in the early days there really wasn't alot of respect for vets. Once rappers had been around for a while they weren't considered legends, they were just played out, and people forgot about them. That's why you can't find 2 people in a crowd of 100 Hip Hop fans today who know who Redhead KingPin or Grand Puba are. The reason things were like this is because it was underground music, people didn't expect it to become what it is. It was just music made "on the block" and on the block, there were no "icons" there are just guys from the neighborhood. If they like what you're doing they listen to you're stuff and if they don't they just forget about it. Around the late late 90's a while after Hip Hop became the huge deal it is people began to become more sentimental about it's humble roots and you saw alot respect shown to certain vets like Run DMC.

The reason you don't see much repect around now however has to do with what people like. Young fans of quality non-mainstream Hip Hop usually have a lot of respect for the pioneers but fans of the mainstream don't. Why? Think of it this way, how much did Rakim REALLY contribute to the crap they listen to anyway.

that last point is brilliant.
i have never really viewed this topic from that angle but you are absolutely right.

The Topic reminds me of the track Where Are They Now.
What's funny is that in the early days there really wasn't alot of respect for vets. Once rappers had been around for a while they weren't considered legends, they were just played out, and people forgot about them. That's why you can't find 2 people in a crowd of 100 Hip Hop fans today who know who Redhead KingPin or Grand Puba are. The reason things were like this is because it was underground music, people didn't expect it to become what it is. It was just music made "on the block" and on the block, there were no "icons" there are just guys from the neighborhood. If they like what you're doing they listen to you're stuff and if they don't they just forget about it. Around the late late 90's a while after Hip Hop became the huge deal it is people began to become more sentimental about it's humble roots and you saw alot respect shown to certain vets like Run DMC.

The reason you don't see much repect around now however has to do with what people like. Young fans of quality non-mainstream Hip Hop usually have a lot of respect for the pioneers but fans of the mainstream don't. Why? Think of it this way, how much did Rakim REALLY contribute to the crap they listen to anyway.
2Pac's "Old School" was mid-90s, so was LL's "Hip-Hop", if I remember correctly. They're the first two songs I remember where rappers were saluting their predecessors...

my theory is that each generation gets a little dumber (and obviously this aint entirely true) but its reflected in the mainstream music. Rappers keep findin new ways to dumb it down, commercial rap used to be great and now alot of its garbage.

These kids dont wanna hear nas, they wanna hear lil wayne. Hes easier to understand, you can dance to his music, get drunk to it, and **** to it.

That's certainly one way of looking at it GM.

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