http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=6724916

Someone needs to find these mother ****er and **** them up.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=6724916

Someone needs to find these mother ****er and **** them up.

that's crazy. i've never seen or heard of anything like those private shows in my area. i think usa boxing as a whole does a good job of keeping **** like that out of amateur boxing.

The story got way out of hand now it is up to this.

There are private shows were I live.

If you are willing to buy a ticket you are allowed to watch.

How many places have can amateurs box at that are actually dry.

Most of the big advancing tournaments in my area are in casinos.

Another thing the CSAC has an issue with is boxers 8 to 16 years old boxing in the first place.

There is this one team a couple of hours away from me that when they come to the shows in my area they bring 20 to 40 people and only 5 of them are boxers and they have the 3 coaches.

And they get all pissed when we don't allow all the other bunch of them in for free to the show. Come on the tickets are only 2 dollars for the show. Man I have my wife buy a ticket cuase the money helps boxing in my area.

What the hell?!

And I'm in the gym 5 days a week for 2 hours to fight in the amateurs in California. Thanks all you a-holes!

Come on the tickets are only 2 dollars for the show.

Damn. For shows I've fought on, standard price for tickets is $20 in advance or $25 at the door. And there's only usually like 8-10 fights.

That's why I never go to amateur shows unless I'm fighting lol.

bit harsh. Cali coup on USA boxing.

Must sux to have an upcoming fight there!

Most every fight I've fought at since 12 they served booze. Not sure the big deal.

This ***** about that 49 year old dying was ****ed up. I know he had a couple concussions and then died. The news report said it was an "unsanctioned bout". They have smokers there maybe 3 times a year. I'm not sure if he died after the smoker or just sparring. People are generally controlled during the sparring sessions. You gotta have a license now to spar at that gym, but other places, I don't think they give a *****.

I heard about that Olympic Club stuff. Rich folks betting on each fighters. I knew this one teenage kid who boxed in a couple of those, I think he split two fights. I hadn't seen him for awhile, then I saw him at a party dead drunk trying to start a fight with my friend, who in response simply started laughing at him. Then he backs down, and looks at me, and just wants re-assurance that I've seen him box and that he's good. :rofl:

Oh well. I was planning on going straight to the pros anyways.

so how are amatuers any more at risk because people outside the ring are drinking or gambling? what a bizarre story, they repeatedly say that amatuer boxers are at risk, i was expecting some amatuer margarito type *****, not a man having a beer outside the ring. whats the problem exactly? the only shows i;ve fought at where people werent allowed to drink were championships/tournaments, where theres absolutely no atmosphere at all, all the shows i've boxed on with a good atmosphere and attendance have had alcohol present, i have no idea what their problem is

GooD inFo. I box in the Bay Area...makes sense now that i think of it. I"ve seen some *****, but never thought too much about it. I'm only concerned on training and winning.

Boxing's tough. I'll probably have some collateral damage later in my life, but that's why i gotta prepare. The better i prepare and take care of myself, the less risk i'll be in.

it's crazy. I hope this suspension doesn't fcuk up my mission.

I've actually fought in one of those private USA boxing "illegal" boxing matches. How was i supposed to know they were illegal? They were right about the towel thing though. I figured if USA Boxing officials were there, then it's all gravy right?

Fcuk that. i gotta talk to my Coach today, make sure my mission isn't fcuked.

so how are amatuers any more at risk because people outside the ring are drinking or gambling? what a bizarre story, they repeatedly say that amatuer boxers are at risk, i was expecting some amatuer margarito type *****, not a man having a beer outside the ring. whats the problem exactly? the only shows i;ve fought at where people werent allowed to drink were championships/tournaments, where theres absolutely no atmosphere at all, all the shows i've boxed on with a good atmosphere and attendance have had alcohol present, i have no idea what their problem is
Then I guess we should start letting 8, 9 or 10 year old's be allowed in bars then, right? I'm an amateur boxing official, primarily a referee - and this kind of crap is what is killing this sport. If you want to make money - then have a pro show. If you want to do a fundraiser - where ALL of the money goes BACK TO THE CLUB, then host an amateur boxing show. Don't place a veil over one and call it the other. The problem is this is yet another black-eye for the sport and the kids are the one's that are going to be hurt by it. If Noonan thinks he (and the CAC) has the ability to govern the amateur boxing shows in Cali - he's completely out of touch with reality. On the flip side - for USA Boxing to effectively regulate the activities at a show would have to enforce procedures that would likely result in a dramatic decrease in the amount of shows that coaches are able to hold. Again - thanks to jack-offs like Sonny Marson and Santos Soto - the kids are going to be negatively impacted no matter how this turns out.

The Ref

you guys should still be able to fight, I've fought events they called kickboxing or something so they wouldn't need usa boxing. we were all boxers and we just pretty much boxed with our shoes off. I did it to get some experience without it going on my ametuer record.

you guys should still be able to fight, I've fought events they called kickboxing or something so they wouldn't need usa boxing. we were all boxers and we just pretty much boxed with our shoes off. I did it to get some experience without it going on my ametuer record.

The "need" for USA Boxing to oversee the LBC that is hosting the show as well as the sanction-holder; is about the safety of the boxers. If you compete in an event that is not held in complete compliance with the guidelines of USA Boxing - and you get hurt - you have no coverage outside of your own private medical insurance. That's the big picture. The other plus is having officials that are competent and well-trained with a wealth of experience.

The Ref

Then I guess we should start letting 8, 9 or 10 year old's be allowed in bars then, right? I'm an amateur boxing official, primarily a referee - and this kind of crap is what is killing this sport. If you want to make money - then have a pro show. If you want to do a fundraiser - where ALL of the money goes BACK TO THE CLUB, then host an amateur boxing show. Don't place a veil over one and call it the other. The problem is this is yet another black-eye for the sport and the kids are the one's that are going to be hurt by it. If Noonan thinks he (and the CAC) has the ability to govern the amateur boxing shows in Cali - he's completely out of touch with reality. On the flip side - for USA Boxing to effectively regulate the activities at a show would have to enforce procedures that would likely result in a dramatic decrease in the amount of shows that coaches are able to hold. Again - thanks to jack-offs like Sonny Marson and Santos Soto - the kids are going to be negatively impacted no matter how this turns out.

The Ref

I have attended and competed at the events in question. I really didn't see anything wrong with the scene while I was there. The easy solution is just to not let people compete at the private clubs if they are under 18. Problem solved. Suspending amateur boxing in California for this is like trying to pop a zit with a hand grenade.

The gentleman who died had NOTHING to do with amateur boxing. That happened at a sparring session a long time after he competed in his smoker.

Then I guess we should start letting 8, 9 or 10 year old's be allowed in bars then, right? I'm an amateur boxing official, primarily a referee - and this kind of crap is what is killing this sport. If you want to make money - then have a pro show. If you want to do a fundraiser - where ALL of the money goes BACK TO THE CLUB, then host an amateur boxing show. Don't place a veil over one and call it the other. The problem is this is yet another black-eye for the sport and the kids are the one's that are going to be hurt by it. If Noonan thinks he (and the CAC) has the ability to govern the amateur boxing shows in Cali - he's completely out of touch with reality. On the flip side - for USA Boxing to effectively regulate the activities at a show would have to enforce procedures that would likely result in a dramatic decrease in the amount of shows that coaches are able to hold. Again - thanks to jack-offs like Sonny Marson and Santos Soto - the kids are going to be negatively impacted no matter how this turns out.

The Ref

how is amatuer boxing with alcohol present killing the sport? it makes for a better atmosphere and an increased attendance, the crowd enjoys it more, whats the problem?

Thats basically how every show i've ever boxed on has been run (im from england, its obviously very different) and i've never seen any kind of negative impact on juniors boxing on these shows. the 'no parents allowed' thing sounds a bit off though, but i doubt thats a rule at every show, probably just the news station blowing it out of proportion to sensationalise the story a bit

I have attended and competed at the events in question. I really didn't see anything wrong with the scene while I was there. The easy solution is just to not let people compete at the private clubs if they are under 18. Problem solved. Suspending amateur boxing in California for this is like trying to pop a zit with a hand grenade.

well, i think the reason for the actual suspension was that usa boxing ignored subpoenas from the csac.

GooD inFo. I box in the Bay Area...makes sense now that i think of it. I"ve seen some *****, but never thought too much about it. I'm only concerned on training and winning.

Boxing's tough. I'll probably have some collateral damage later in my life, but that's why i gotta prepare. The better i prepare and take care of myself, the less risk i'll be in.

it's crazy. I hope this suspension doesn't fcuk up my mission.

I've actually fought in one of those private USA boxing "illegal" boxing matches. How was i supposed to know they were illegal? They were right about the towel thing though. I figured if USA Boxing officials were there, then it's all gravy right?

Fcuk that. i gotta talk to my Coach today, make sure my mission isn't fcuked.



Ay what city you train in? I box in Vallejo. What gym you at? My cousin boxes at Kings gym and my uncle is one of the trainers there.

If the parents want to buy a ticket to go to the show go ahead buy a ticket. There is no way a person should be allowed in free to a show unless they are an official or a coach or one of the boxers attending.

Man I make my wife buy a ticket to every show she comes with me.

i think the news station did it because it made for an easy "hard hitting story. just my two cents because i know i'd go after the easy story.

This is ridiculous. Shutting down an entire sport across the ENTIRE state of California is a perfect example of our [Americans] inability to solve minor problems. Action needs to be taken against the people who neglect to follow the rules, not the enitre boxing community. Sure, 250 pound men in football gear can go and crack helmets every Sunday, but God forbid 100-pound 13 year-olds who couldnt punch their way out of paper sack pop each other on the [headgear-protected] noggin's a few times. Its alarming the lengths the government will go to to try and squash personal responsibility. You are not forced to box. If you dont want to get hit, fine, stay out of the ring.

I The easy solution is just to not let people compete at the private clubs if they are under 18. Problem solved. Suspending amateur boxing in California for this is like trying to pop a zit with a hand grenade.

The gentleman who died had NOTHING to do with amateur boxing. That happened at a sparring session a long time after he competed in his smoker.
Agreed 100%

I'm not implying at all that boxing SHOULD be suspended because of this. All I'm saying is real reason for holding amateur boxing shows SHOULD BE to either put that money right back into existing clubs, or to start new one's - to do otherwise is exploiting these kids with no reward to them at all. Someone said that having alcohol at these shows "creates a better environment" - are you serious? For who? Certainly not the kids. It's amateur boxing, - there should be NO alcohol - and certainly no bikini models/strippers as ring girls. Why is this so hard to assign as common sense?? It's about setting an example, and leading by it. These kids deserve that, at the very least.

- The Ref

I'm not implying at all that boxing SHOULD be suspended because of this. All I'm saying is real reason for holding amateur boxing shows SHOULD BE to either put that money right back into existing clubs, or to start new one's - to do otherwise is exploiting these kids with no reward to them at all. Someone said that having alcohol at these shows "creates a better environment" - are you serious? For who? Certainly not the kids. It's amateur boxing, - there should be NO alcohol - and certainly no bikini models/strippers as ring girls. Why is this so hard to assign as common sense?? It's about setting an example, and leading by it. These kids deserve that, at the very least.

- The Ref

I disagree that alcohol, ring girls, etc are a detriment to the sport, so long as all competitors are over 18 years of age. As far as exploitation, I never felt that way. I enjoy boxing, I am excited about testing my skill against someone else, and I am glad to have an audience that is interested in watching that. If someone made money off that, it truly doesn't bother me in the slightest, and I consider it an even trade for the opportunity.

LOTS of amateur sports involve huge sums of money, and most involve larger sums than an amateur boxing card at the Olympic Club. March Madness? College Football? The athletes involved aren't paid either (or aren't supposed to be), and that's a multi multi multi million dollar industry.

In short, I just don't see this as much of a problem. Put an age limit on who can compete at shows that will have alcohol and call it good.

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Anyone know where we can check for updates on the status of this?