I don't care what anyone says, Hermes got screwed. He was throwing strikes on the feet (although not very good ones), hitting takedowns, attempting other takedowns (Many which he pulled Edwards into his guard), going for subs, and was the overall aggressor.

Yves defended well and tried for a kimura. He didn't do anything spectacular in the striking department, and may have reversed the position on the ground one time.

I say Hermes got screwed.

i will say that this fight was SUPER close.

and that i will go along with what your saying BUT Hermes pulling ot guard was a bad idea because the man on top is always looked at as being in the better position especially where striking is involved.

on top of that in the 3rd round (the round that really mattered) he wasn't even working that hard from the bottom, mostly just holding. i'm not sayin he wasn't working but that his motive seemed to be surviving not finishing or sweeping.

you should have heard Clean yelling at the screen for the triangles (that he could have hit). Yves played a really smart game and came out on top and i cannot fault him for that.

all in all the decision was 98% fair cause it easily could have gone either way and when you look at it the judges are from Boxing, and Yves is UFC's man at 155 so you know they were gonna go his way if it came down to it.

on Hermes's gas, i think he got too big comming up from 145. i think he needs to lose a little bit of muscle to improve his gas. the man is HUGE for 155 and yes it gives him power but it takes away from gas, and i personally would sacrifice the small ammount of power (3-5lbs of weight) for the ability to go 3 rounds easy. he went 2 1/2 no prob its the last 1/2 round that killed him.

He did look a bit gassed in the third round, but I feel he did more than enough to win the fight. You're right about the guy on top looking to be in a better position, but Yves didn't look to comftorable on top to me when Hermes was going for those leglocks... I dunno, this decision pissed me off

oh no i'm with you on this.

i was just thinkin after i wrote that whole thing about it and you know your right!


hermes pushed to finish and pushed to engage the whole time. Yves was back peddaling and not committing to any attacks, he didn't even look to o comfy on top, not to mention the switch over armbar (which was very nice) and the toe hold, or that he passed guard multiple times and had like 4 takedowns.

i think the way i was lookin at it is that i watch hermes all the time and see everything he can do and hold him at another level so i judge his fights a little bit harder.

but when i look it over from an outside view i too thought he won the fight.



but as a wise anti-social man once told me (i cannot remember the exact quote but it was the affect of) if you let it go to the judges its your own fault,

i'm not a big fan of decisions anyway. i would rather not have one of my fights go to one. i want to finish all of my fights.

Vulgartheclown has leglocked the correct.

Extremely disappointed in both fighters. With preformances like that they will lucky to be back in the UFC. I picked Franca to win, scored it 30-27 Yves and was shocked that people thought Franca won. Pride rules he probably wins, but UFC rules no way.

Yves G&P was as effective as Sims' sub attempts.

Franca's sub attempts were as effective as Sims' sub attempts.

I really scored that fight a draw. 1st round to Edwards, 2nd round to Franca, 3 round was a draw. However, if I HAVE to pick someone, I would of picked Edwards

Thats why I like the way PRIDE scores....They give it to the one that is trying to go for the finish....I thought Hermes won. He was waay more agressive and PUSHED the ACTION. Hell, I thought he won striking, ground and wrestling.

I just dont concider defending the whole match as a reason to win.

I thought he Yves won the first round for the knockdown the the other 2 rounds were Hermes

100% Jewwwwjitzuuuuuu

Take down-stand up-jab jab-take down stand up...should have been a draw.
Niether fighter was doing much. Like I said before, leg lock attempts won't get you points in the UFC. Just like standing out of the distance of punches and throwing jabs won't.
It looked like a sparing match.

I gave the first to Yves the 2nd and 3rd were a draw but could have went to Hermes if he'd just done something once with a take down. Yves stood up way too easy.

You know what's weird? A while back when Nogueira beat Rodriguez, everybody was pissed off cause Ricco lost even though he was on top and in a dominant position. But now that Edwards won the fight in essentially the same way Ricco lost his fight, it's backwards? Does that make any sense. Hell with it.

The fight sucked. They both should of lost just for that.
Split decision is the same as a draw in my eyes.
Thought this would be the fight of the night, both guys hurt their rep's by being to cautious.
Want to see them rematch and let it all hang out.

Actually it didn't suck, these are two of the best 155 lbers in the world. It was a good fight, but they were both way to cautious in my eyes. Yves more so than Hermes.

the ****ed sucked badly

i gave round 1 and 3 to yves

Originally posted by Zen
Actually it didn't suck, these are two of the best 155 lbers in the world. It was a good fight, but they were both way to cautious in my eyes. Yves more so than Hermes.
You know, Josh Thomson called this fight. He said it would go down this way in an interview with insidefighting. Talk about how it would be a cautious fight and ****.

Originally posted by The Ensanity
Thats why I like the way PRIDE scores....They give it to the one that is trying to go for the finish....I thought Hermes won. He was waay more agressive and PUSHED the ACTION. Hell, I thought he won striking, ground and wrestling.

I just dont concider defending the whole match as a reason to win.

I thought he Yves won the first round for the knockdown the the other 2 rounds were Hermes

Yves did more damage with his light GnP and defended everything Hermes threw at him. He stuffed almost every takedown and forced Hermes to pull guard several times. Hermes never passed guard and Yves stood up everytime. If Hermes had passed guard once in the third round, he would of won. He didn't, and Edwards landed some shots from the top. Edwards did more damage, so he won the third round in the judges eyes. I scored it a draw, but if I HAD to pick someone, I would of picked Yves

Originally posted by VulgarTheClown
i will say that this fight was SUPER close.

and that i will go along with what your saying BUT Hermes pulling ot guard was a bad idea because the man on top is always looked at as being in the better position especially where striking is involved.

on top of that in the 3rd round (the round that really mattered) he wasn't even working that hard from the bottom, mostly just holding. i'm not sayin he wasn't working but that his motive seemed to be surviving not finishing or sweeping.

you should have heard Clean yelling at the screen for the triangles (that he could have hit). Yves played a really smart game and came out on top and i cannot fault him for that.

all in all the decision was 98% fair cause it easily could have gone either way and when you look at it the judges are from Boxing, and Yves is UFC's man at 155 so you know they were gonna go his way if it came down to it.

on Hermes's gas, i think he got too big comming up from 145. i think he needs to lose a little bit of muscle to improve his gas. the man is HUGE for 155 and yes it gives him power but it takes away from gas, and i personally would sacrifice the small ammount of power (3-5lbs of weight) for the ability to go 3 rounds easy. he went 2 1/2 no prob its the last 1/2 round that killed him.


that is a fair assumption to one of your favorite fighters Vulgar and you looked at it froma tactical point. I myself am not much of a Hermes fan until I saw him fight tonight. I will come out and say he got screwed. My whole table at the bar thought he got screwed. He was aggressive and tried for the finish, Yves was very much a disappointment for a man who's supposed striking in his weight division is up to par with Duane Ludwig (self proclaimed by Yves himself).

I thought Hermes won that fight by a very close margin. He was the aggressor, he pushed the action, he went for the submissions, and IMO, he neutralized Edwards' stand-up with his own. Edwards did well to escape the sub attempts, but I just feel he didn't do enough to win that match. I would've been happy with a draw.

Hermes totally got screwed. Edwards didn't do **** but back up and defend everything the Franca threw at him.

Originally posted by Creed
Yves did more damage with his light GnP and defended everything Hermes threw at him. He stuffed almost every takedown and forced Hermes to pull guard several times. Hermes never passed guard and Yves stood up everytime. If Hermes had passed guard once in the third round, he would of won. He didn't, and Edwards landed some shots from the top. Edwards did more damage, so he won the third round in the judges eyes. I scored it a draw, but if I HAD to pick someone, I would of picked Yves but Hermes was stilling trying to go for the win thru the light GnP. the damage came from trying to push the action..Forcing people into guard is a defense action, not offensive. If he sprawled and got back up, striking I would concidered that more aggressive. He was only in Hermes guard cause Herm's wanted him there.

But it was a close fight. I think Hermes should leave the UFC after 2 JD's going against him when he probably should have won them...

Where is ALLI?

Ensanity is corrrest. I see Shooto in Hermes future.

I watched that fight 3 times. I still don't see it. I got yves winning the first and maybe Hermes in the second and the last was a draw.It was a weak fight for both. I'm guessing the judges scored it yves in the first then drew the last two.

Should have been a draw.

UFC needs to introduce Shooto's "catch" rule.