View Full Version : Strikeforce still hopes to sign "Kimbo," Carano; in talks with Randleman


jakkups
03-13-2009, 08:03 PM
Strikeforce still hopes to sign "Kimbo," Carano; in talks with Randleman (http://mmajunkie.com/news/14255/strikeforce-still-hopes-to-sign-kimbo-carano-in-talks-with-randleman.mma)

While Strikeforce put on an impressive display of in-cage talent at the "Shamrock vs. Diaz" pre-fight press conference on Thursday in Hollywood, Calif., two faces were noticeably missing.

Among the 40-plus contacts acquired by Strikeforce in the recent acquisition of several ProElite assets, the contracts of the ill-fated company's biggest stars -- Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson (3-1) and Gina Carano (7-0) -- remain unsecured.

On Thursday, Strikeforce founder and CEO Scott Coker said he still hopes to bring the two fighters aboard.

Coker was first asked about the enigmatic YouTube-star turned mixed martial artist "Kimbo Slice."

"Kimbo is a very popular star in North America," Coker said. "He's very recognizable, and he did a good job packing the stadiums when he fought.

"Right now there is ongoing dialogue with Kimbo. We'll see how that goes. I could probably answer that better in 14 days."

Slice fought four times for EliteXC in just under one year's time. The former street fighter headlined all but one of the events in which he appeared, though his marketability took a major blow in his 14-second loss to last-second replacement Set Petruzelli in October 2008.

The Strikeforce head was next asked about the status of WAMMA's co-No. 1 female fighter at 145 pounds, Carano.

"With Gina, I think you can equate it to a hold out at camp, so to speak," Coker said. "Camp's started, the game's on, and she's the hold-out."

Coker went on to state he felt positive that the undefeated "Conviction" would ultimately sign with the growing organization.

"These things happen in this business from time to time," Coker said. "We're in dialogue with Matt Walker, [Carano's] agent. I think things are moving forward, and there is good dialogue. We're hoping for the best."

Carano's fellow top-ranked fighter Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos (6-1) has already signed with Strikeforce and is scheduled to meet Hitomi Akano at the April 11 "Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Diaz."

Coker told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) he is hopeful Carano will be signed in time for the organization's still-unofficial May event.

"We're going to invite Gina to fight (in May) if we can put it together," Coker said.

Coker also clarified the current status of Strikeforce's negotiations with MMA legend Kevin Randleman (17-12), recently rumored to have signed with the organization.

"There's nothing signed," Coker said. "Obviously he's got to get licensed.

"We are talking to him, and we're hoping that we can get something done with him and get him back in the cage. But, he's got some licensing issues that he's got to take care of. Our hands are tied."

Randleman has not fought in the U.S. since an October 2006 loss to Mauricio "Shogun" Rua. Following the bout, the Nevada State Athletic Commission found Randleman's urine sample to be missing any human hormones, suggesting the sample came from either a deceased human or non-human donor.

"The Monster" later admitted to submitting a fake sample and was suspended by the NSAC.

American_Ninja
03-14-2009, 01:05 AM
Should be interesting to see if Slice can bounce back, or just fold every time he gets hit. And Gina is hot :davil2:

jakkups
03-14-2009, 01:18 AM
There's no cure for a **** chin. I mean if he gets floored by a powder puff punch like the one Seth hit him with he'll probably have a stroke when someone really tags him.

mmaphilippines
03-15-2009, 09:13 PM
Gina and Kimbo can definitely increase their profit.

jakkups
03-15-2009, 10:04 PM
Carano yes, Kimbo no. He (thankfully) got exposed as the fraud that he is and would probably only sign on the dotted line if they gave him opponents that had no arms or legs so that he wouldn't get hit on that weakass beard of his.

res
03-16-2009, 02:03 PM
Carano Vs Wolf (after Wolf gets a little grappling training)


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Move BRICKS™
03-16-2009, 02:50 PM
Carano Vs Wolf (after Wolf gets a little grappling training)


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Gina TKO R1

res
03-16-2009, 03:20 PM
Gina TKO R1

Yeah, that's probably what Gina will be dreaming about while she's unconscious. Her only hope is obviously a submission, and if she wants to take it down to the ground, she'll be able to, but she better get off the feet.


They don't have the rest of that Wolf clip on youtube anymore, but in it, the other chick is put from a stretcher onto an ambulance.


Check out the slo mo at :38



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jakkups
03-16-2009, 07:27 PM
Gina would just front kick her into lunging in and then take her down, mount and pound her head into the mat. Carano by complete mutilation RD1.

Sandwich
03-16-2009, 08:39 PM
There's no cure for a **** chin. I mean if he gets floored by a powder puff punch like the one Seth hit him with he'll probably have a stroke when someone really tags him.

And no cure for a lack of skill either. :rofl:

The only reason Strikeforce wants Kimbo is that the internet street fighter fans are a decent source of income.

EliteXC made a mistake when they built their organization around someone who couldn't fight.

That all sounds a bit harsh, but it's really true. I like Kimbo as a person, it's just that he's not a good fighter.

res
03-16-2009, 10:53 PM
Gina would just front kick her into lunging in and then take her down, mount and pound her head into the mat. Carano by complete mutilation RD1.

"Front kick her into lunging in" ?

Move BRICKS™
03-16-2009, 11:03 PM
"Front kick her into lunging in" ?

To counter.

Gina would just front kick her into lunging in and then take her down, mount and pound her head into the mat. Carano by complete mutilation RD1.

I wouldn't even go that far. People need to understand that pure boxing as well as all other pure striking sports are not adapted for MMA. Wolf, while having undeniable power, would not be able to apply it while under MMA rules.

Even professional K1 kickboxers, who are much better suited than boxers to fight in MMA, have been toyed with while trying to apply their stand up game. A combination of differences that would lead a pure boxer to defeat would be the fact that nearly any type of strike thrown can be used effectively and with such small gloves, along with the allowance of all striking, pure boxers cannot generate the power needed to throw these classic knockout punches. They need to worry about kicks, takedowns and unorthodox strikes, forcing them to abandon their boxing style.

Wolf would be a fish out of water if she was ever lead to fight Gina Carano. She would get buckled both standing and on her back, but I can almost guarantee that she would be put there by ease whether it be by a strike or takedown.

jakkups
03-16-2009, 11:51 PM
"Front kick her into lunging in" ?

To counter.

Exactly.


I wouldn't even go that far. People need to understand that pure boxing as well as all other pure striking sports are not adapted for MMA. Wolf, while having undeniable power, would not be able to apply it while under MMA rules.

Even professional K1 kickboxers, who are much better suited than boxers to fight in MMA, have been toyed with while trying to apply their stand up game. A combination of differences that would lead a pure boxer to defeat would be the fact that nearly any type of strike thrown can be used effectively and with such small gloves, along with the allowance of all striking, pure boxers cannot generate the power needed to throw these classic knockout punches. They need to worry about kicks, takedowns and unorthodox strikes, forcing them to abandon their boxing style.

Wolf would be a fish out of water if she was ever lead to fight Gina Carano. She would get buckled both standing and on her back, but I can almost guarantee that she would be put there by ease whether it be by a strike or takedown.

Agreed. All Wolf knows is how to punch. MMA is more than that, much more than that. A little grappling training wouldn't even do any good. Hell, Brock Lesnar was a collegiate wrestler and trained for 2 years in MMA and still fell victim to a kneebar to Frank Mir.

Granted Carano is no BJJ wizard but she's no slouch on the ground and would have her way with Wolf when it got their.

res
03-17-2009, 03:22 AM
Granted Carano is no BJJ wizard but she's no slouch on the ground and would have her way with Wolf when it got their.[/QUOTE]


A little grappling training wouldn't even do any good. Hell, Brock Lesnar was a collegiate wrestler and trained for 2 years in MMA and still fell victim to a kneebar to Frank Mir.


Yeah, but then there is the example of Maurice Smith and Mark Coleman, it certainly can do some good.

It will take some major reflexes on the part of Carano to do what you suggest. Wolfe is not likely to misjudge distance as badly as many MMA fighters and even some kickboxers do, and her boxing training has also made her a master feinter (Carano will probably give away what she is planning by her movement). Seeing Carano try to do what you say would be interesting.

Obviously on the ground Ann is in trouble though.

jakkups
03-17-2009, 04:10 AM
Yeah, but then there is the example of Maurice Smith and Mark Coleman, it certainly can do some good.


The sport has evolved far and away from those days. Plus Coleman was just a wrestler and had limited to no submission ability. Also 8 of Smith's 10 losses were by submission to guys who knew them and could apply them effectively. The other 2 losses were to wrestlers who had better gas tanks and could effectively control the action.


It will take some major reflexes on the part of Carano to do what you suggest. Wolfe is not likely to misjudge distance as badly as many MMA fighters and even some kickboxers do, and her boxing training has also made her a master feinter (Carano will probably give away what she is planning by her movement). Seeing Carano try to do what you say would be interesting.

Obviously on the ground Ann is in trouble though.

It's not so much the striking that she will have problems judging distance as it is the shooting and defending it which isn't something you learn overnight.

res
03-17-2009, 04:50 AM
The sport has evolved far and away from those days. Plus Coleman was just a wrestler and had limited to no submission ability. Also 8 of Smith's 10 losses were by submission to guys who knew them and could apply them effectively. The other 2 losses were to wrestlers who had better gas tanks and could effectively control the action.



It's not so much the striking that she will have problems judging distance as it is the shooting and defending it which isn't something you learn overnight.

Yeah I agree with that second paragraph.