I know that boxing is about making money, but why does it seem like Gatti and his people are finding every reason in the world not to face the other top lightweghts out there. I really don't think he as good a fighter as the make him out to be...he blocks evey punch with his face and that is why we won't fight a tszyu, mayweather, cotto or harris...I know many don't think much of harris, because we don'y see much of him but in the two fights I have seen him in he was dominant...but back to gatti I think that him as his people know that if he fights any of the elite 140lbers he will get knocked the f*ck out....

I know that boxing is about making money, but why does it seem like Gatti and his people are finding every reason in the world not to face the other top lightweghts out there. I really don't think he as good a fighter as the make him out to be...he blocks evey punch with his face and that is why we won't fight a tszyu, mayweather, cotto or harris...I know many don't think much of harris, because we don'y see much of him but in the two fights I have seen him in he was dominant...but back to gatti I think that him as his people know that if he fights any of the elite 140lbers he will get knocked the f*ck out....

Personally I think it's more about smart money management than being a coward. He may be alot of different things, but I could never consider him a coward. It just doesnt fit ;)

gatti isnt a coward..but he is not a elite 140 pounder.hes in the 2nd class

gatti isnt a coward..but he is not a elite 140 pounder.hes in the 2nd class


Gatti a coward?!?!?! that is insane.

no he's not, its just put it like this...one side hbo can have a multi mega millions dollar fight and have gatti/Mayweather (after gatti/lieja) and keep all profits or they can have a multi million dollar fight against KT and have to share/split it with showtime etc...so thats why HBO doesnt want to...remember gatti may not be the best out there and some hate him...but one thing about him..he got heart and will fight anyone till the end

Gatti is no coward, but HBO prize him as a cash cow. They won't want to stick him in with Tszyu when they can carry on making good money watching him fight 2nd tier opponents like Branco.

Hehehe sure Gatti a coward. NO WAY!

A pity though that the fight with Tszyu not seem to be going to happen.

Hehehe sure Gatti a coward. NO WAY!

A pity though that the fight with Tszyu not seem to be going to happen.


do we really want to see KT ruin Gatti? I give Gatti a better chance against Mayweather.

the fact that you even asked if gatti was a coward suggest to me that you dont know alot about boxing.

Gatti faced DLH an dyou calling him a coward?

I know that boxing is about making money, but why does it seem like Gatti and his people are finding every reason in the world not to face the other top lightweghts out there.
Because he's not a lightweight.

The fact of the matter is that Gatti has been saying since LAST YEAR that he wanted to fight Kostya Tzyu. His management was even talking about putting it together back then. I think, though, that when it came down to it, his maqnagement was too weak in the wallet to let it happen. They have a sweetheart deal with HBO. They're making millions of dollars and the biggest threat he will possibly face has no chance of doing permanent damage to Gatti. That's what they're looking at. Bu even Gatti's management has admitted that Artuto wants Kostya. They won't let it happen. He's not responsible at all.

As for Gatti getting knocked the **** out, well, guess what. It ain't gonna happen. Only De La Hoya was able to really stop Gatti. The only other stoppage loss on his record came from Angel Mafredy on cuts. Gatti has faced some real nagers in his time, and it's true, he doesn't have a great chin. But his tremendous heart has kept him from getting kayoed, and it will continue to do so in the next few years. So will his power and rediscovered technique.

Is Gatti a coward?

What you talking about? Of couse NOT! (Look Gatti-Ward I, II, III and other bout of this man)...

the fact that you even asked if gatti was a coward suggest to me that you dont know alot about boxing.So gatti is the man because he fought ward 3 times and lost once and because he stopped little ass Dorin with a body blow The same Dorin who had a draw with that garbage ass spadafora. I asked the question just to see what type of response it would get. This isn't about me. I know what I know about boxing I know enough about boxing to know that gatti is one major fight away from getting whopped decisely. So I guess you would also believe that he will be floyd mayweather?

the fact that you even asked if gatti was a coward suggest to me that you dont know alot about boxing.
I totally agree. Arturo Gatti is probably 10 times tougher and braver than anyone you've ever met in your life.
Let me put it this way...how many people have the balls to get up and survive R9 Gatti-Ward I?

This has to be a joke!!

Gatti isnt a coward!! Sure his team want to cash in and dont want to risk him, but that doesnt make him a coward.

If i was Gatti i'd doing exactly the same, cashing in!!

So gatti is the man because he fought ward 3 times and lost once and because he stopped little ass Dorin with a body blow The same Dorin who had a draw with that garbage ass spadafora. I asked the question just to see what type of response it would get. This isn't about me. I know what I know about boxing I know enough about boxing to know that gatti is one major fight away from getting whopped decisely. So I guess you would also believe that he will be floyd mayweather?

Gatti is the man because he has the biggest heart out of every active fighter that I can think of today. Everyone know he is not the most technically sound fighter out there but no one cares. He gives 150% out of every performance, and you know his fights will always be worth your time. It's the coward remark that didn't sit too well with people.

BTW, Dorin's draw with Spad was contraversial. As for Mayweather, Gatti can hurt him that's all I'm going to say.

I totally agree. Arturo Gatti is probably 10 times tougher and braver than anyone you've ever met in your life.
Let me put it this way...how many people have the balls to get up and survive R9 Gatti-Ward I?

I SERIOUSLY thought he was gonne go down, but that was vintage Gatti. Amazing round bar none.

Because he's not a lightweight.Jr welterweight am I correct my bad, I was just upset at the fact that I can't see him fight tszyu or some of the other top fighters. I actually like Gatti, but I am wondering why his camp ain't trying to work something out with the networks. I seems to me like they are not ready to see him lose again yet.

Gatti can be many things but he is not a coward.Putting him against KT(is that what you had in mind) would be a mismatch and his management understands it. Gatti is now a face of HBO and they dont want that face to be fractured by KT, will look bad not just for Gatti but for the whole HBO and they definitely dont want it. As for his rediscovered technique... Well he still gets hit a lot and when you fight somebody like zoo all the heart in the world will only take you to hospital with brain damage. Gatti is good but he is not one of the all time greats(like Pryor) to really compete with Kostya.

Gatti is the man because he has the biggest heart out of every active fighter that I can think of today. Everyone know he is not the most technically sound fighter out there but no one cares. He gives 150% out of every performance, and you know his fights will always be worth your time. It's the coward remark that didn't sit too well with people.

BTW, Dorin's draw with Spad was contraversial. As for Mayweather, Gatti can hurt him that's all I'm going to say.yeah I knew the coward remark would get some negative attention, but I didn't know how else to word the question. So I will start a new thread and askk the question differently...

If they really wanted the fight wouldn't find a way to make it happen. This one of the biggest fights out and it seems as if the Gatti camp is deadset on preventing it from happening.

I know that boxing is about making money, but why does it seem like Gatti and his people are finding every reason in the world not to face the other top lightweghts out there. I really don't think he as good a fighter as the make him out to be...he blocks evey punch with his face and that is why we won't fight a tszyu, mayweather, cotto or harris...I know many don't think much of harris, because we don'y see much of him but in the two fights I have seen him in he was dominant...but back to gatti I think that him as his people know that if he fights any of the elite 140lbers he will get knocked the f*ck out....


hmmmmm why wont they let gatti fight Tszyu?
becuase they want to keep making a living
why the fuk would they throw him in with kosta
u think they care more about pleasen us then about protectin their cash cow, or pinata that can punch back

main events promotions are *****es... they're protecting their cash cow, gatti... awesome response from showtime on the front page

OK OK we all can agree that Arturo is anything but a coward. KT v. Gatti will not happen because this is a fight that very easily could end Gatti's career. It has been stated above that it is about money/cash cow....no doubt it is but KT is just the wrong fight. Many have forgotten that Gatti is not an elite fighter, many think he is elite. I believe if Gatti fought Hatton were talkin fight of the year stuff, I believe that he has an outside shot at beating Floyd, point is that there are many fights out there that still can mask Gatti as being elite.

Fighting KT is certainly not that fight! If he fights KT he will not only loose but he will get murdered. In the after math of a fight like this where does he go anfter being cut up like freddie crougar, hanging around for a few rounds and getting brutaly stopped in the tenth when everyone watching could see he was in trouble in the second. This fight would expose Gatti as a 2nd tier guy, he has already overcome that once in his career, if he takes a huge beating his status takes far too huge a hit and he is more or less through.

I myself don't wnat this fight, I love Gatti and don't want him in with someone like KT, fight Hatton, fight Floyd, but let me and the rest of the Gatti crowd enjoy this career resurrection that has taken place in the past few years, don't ruin it by fighting Ivan Draggo. Adrianne said it best too rocky and now Gatti's management is saying it too him..."Rocky, you can't win."

OK OK we all can agree that Arturo is anything but a coward. KT v. Gatti will not happen because this is a fight that very easily could end Gatti's career. It has been stated above that it is about money/cash cow....no doubt it is but KT is just the wrong fight. Many have forgotten that Gatti is not an elite fighter, many think he is elite. I believe if Gatti fought Hatton were talkin fight of the year stuff, I believe that he has an outside shot at beating Floyd, point is that there are many fights out there that still can mask Gatti as being elite.

Fighting KT is certainly not that fight! If he fights KT he will not only loose but he will get murdered. In the after math of a fight like this where does he go anfter being cut up like freddie crougar, hanging around for a few rounds and getting brutaly stopped in the tenth when everyone watching could see he was in trouble in the second. This fight would expose Gatti as a 2nd tier guy, he has already overcome that once in his career, if he takes a huge beating his status takes far too huge a hit and he is more or less through.

I myself don't wnat this fight, I love Gatti and don't want him in with someone like KT, fight Hatton, fight Floyd, but let me and the rest of the Gatti crowd enjoy this career resurrection that has taken place in the past few years, don't ruin it by fighting Ivan Draggo. Adrianne said it best too rocky and now Gatti's management is saying it too him..."Rocky, you can't win."

But rocky won!!!

i hate this ..gatti aint no coward why would ppl ven argue it...that an is finally making the money he deserves...i say a PBF fight is better..KT will probably really hurt gatti...so screw that..but since years ago gatti wanted KT..but sinc gatti wasnt big until his ward saga and KTFO of Dorin now everyone wants him...i am glad the ball is in his court ad gatti can do anythign he wants...and did you guys watch espn on monay,,,gatti said he had not problem going in his words:

"no problem going Lieja then floyd then Kosta..i am a fighter this is what i do, they can say whatever they want about my fighting style but in the end i have the heart ti keep going"
this quote might still be on espn.com..anyway yeah..leave gatti alone fools..he is the real life rocky

But rocky won!!!

Your right!!! Here to history repeating itself KT vs. Gatti!!!

No wait a minute, wait a minute, Rock may have won but Apollo was killed....the outcome will come somewhere in the middle between Rock's permanent brain damage and Apollos death, like I said above KT v. Gatti= a no go!

Is Gatti a Coward? That question ridicules everything we know about Gatti.

Gatti, his corner, his promotion team, his family, the boxing world, all know one thing ..... Gatti has not got many more tough fights left in him. Gatti commands some big money fights, but he'll never have enough money to fix a mushy brain.

Gatti doesn't fear Kostya the Fighter, he questions the payday. He knows that Kostya is potentially a career-ending opponent. I want Gatti to receive a payday big enough for him to walk-away from the ring after Kostya, if that's what he chooses. Otherwise, I'd still respect Gatti for taking lesser opponents who would give Gatti a big percentage for putting asses in those seats. Either way, we get to see the HightLight Reel in action.

I don't want Gatti-Kostya and I do want Gatti-Kostya. I just don't need to see Gatti get his head damned near knocked off.

Is Gatti a Coward? That question ridicules everything we know about Gatti.

Gatti, his corner, his promotion team, his family, the boxing world, all know one thing ..... Gatti has not got many more tough fights left in him. Gatti commands some big money fights, but he'll never have enough money to fix a mushy brain.

Gatti doesn't fear Kostya the Fighter, he questions the payday. He knows that Kostya is potentially a career-ending opponent. I want Gatti to receive a payday big enough for him to walk-away from the ring after Kostya, if that's what he chooses. Otherwise, I'd still respect Gatti for taking lesser opponents who would give Gatti a big percentage for putting asses in those seats. Either way, we get to see the HightLight Reel in action.

I don't want Gatti-Kostya and I do want Gatti-Kostya. I just don't need to see Gatti get his head damned near knocked off.That's an honest and that's all I wanted to hear was someone say that they didn't want one their favorite fighters to get whooped on in the ring for little money, but I hear other fighters get talked about all the time for doing the same thing. It just seems like there are a lot of biased people on this site that can down other people's favorite fighters, but when you question there's they ***** up..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:
All I asked was a rhetorical question I never said Gatti was a coward I just posed the question...

Becayse Tszyu would end Gatti's career.

Gatti can be many things but he is not a coward.Putting him against KT(is that what you had in mind) would be a mismatch and his management understands it. Gatti is now a face of HBO and they dont want that face to be fractured by KT, will look bad not just for Gatti but for the whole HBO and they definitely dont want it. As for his rediscovered technique... Well he still gets hit a lot and when you fight somebody like zoo all the heart in the world will only take you to hospital with brain damage. Gatti is good but he is not one of the all time greats(like Pryor) to really compete with Kostya.
Dude. This guy is awesome. He's been right on in both of his posts that I've read. He gets right to the point. Even though I think he was disagreeing with me, I still love it.

Anyway, I wasn't saying he would beat Tzyu. I was saying he wants to make the fight, and his heart and power and skill make him competitive. I agree with your statement, But I don't think It would be an absolute blowout the way it was for De La Hoya. Tzyu would get hit a coupla times and do that thing where looks all surprised and offended, and at some point early on he'd might even go down, like he did against Diobelys Hurtado. But then he would get up and then he would start knocking Gatti down. Eventually Gatti wouldn't be able to get up in time.

Gatti would be better off fighting Mayweather first. If he beats Floyd, whichis unlikely, he can face Tszyu next. Tszyu will surely destroy him.

In my mind, based on what Gatti has given us, he can fight whoever the hell the wants from here on out. Let him make some dough.

is Gatti a coward? no ****ing way!! do i want to see him get beat up by Kostya tszyu, no. Gatti is a tough guy, he'll never go down, but Tszyu is in another level - he's a lot better fighter than Micky Ward ever was, he'll give Arturo 12 round beatdown, i'm not sure i want to see a mismatch like that. His management probably doesn't either

is Gatti a coward? no ****ing way!! do i want to see him get beat up by Kostya tszyu, no. Gatti is a tough guy, he'll never go down, but Tszyu is in another level - he's a lot better fighter than Micky Ward ever was, he'll give Arturo 12 round beatdown, i'm not sure i want to see a mismatch like that. His management probably doesn't eitherYour partly right in your prediction of Gatti's demise from this world if he were to fight Tszyu, but no way will it be a " 12 round beatdown" it would be more of short and ghastly beating inside of 3 - 5 rds.

You can't call any professional fighter a coward much less a former champ. Gatti's group is trying to prolong his career and fighting Tszyu now would do just the opposite. Gatti's fighting style would unmercifully fit hand to glove with Kostya's. It would be very much like Delahoya - Gatti.

Gatti knows the end is near for him and he doesn't want his last fight to read KO'd By....................

Gatti deserves a couple of pay days and a couple of cream puffs to end his career..............

Stupid thread. Do the math: Gatti + HBO , Tszyu + SHO = NO FIGHT!

Gatti is no coward, his management team doesn't want him to lose.

Tszyu would knock him out

do we really want to see KT ruin Gatti? I give Gatti a better chance against Mayweather.

Yes, and I am not so sure KT would ruin Gatti.

HBO doesnt want to

It's simple. The two guys want the fight but it wont happen.
One contracted to HBO and the other to Showtime and these to companys dont get on and is the reason why we dont get all the big fights because of this. These guys are destroying boxing.

It's not so much Gatti's camp as much as it is HBO. HBO has a dispute with Showtime about money and the money is good enough to risk their most exciting fighter against a human shredder like Kostya Tszyu. I do believe that it is mainly the fault of Gatti's camp about not fighting Mayweather, though.

i dont want 2 see gotti get rapped

I know that boxing is about making money, but why does it seem like Gatti and his people are finding every reason in the world not to face the other top lightweghts out there. I really don't think he as good a fighter as the make him out to be...he blocks evey punch with his face and that is why we won't fight a tszyu, mayweather, cotto or harris...I know many don't think much of harris, because we don'y see much of him but in the two fights I have seen him in he was dominant...but back to gatti I think that him as his people know that if he fights any of the elite 140lbers he will get knocked the f*ck out....


Gatti's people have always shamelessy protected him. They never let him fight Mosley, Johnston, Navrov or Hernandez when he was down at 130 and now that he's up at 140 they wont let him fight Tszyu, Floyd, Cotto...etc.

They know that he's an average fighter at best.

Gatti knows he will die in the ring vs Kostya, he wont make it pass the 5th round

I don't think it's that much of a runaway as many think. Gatti has learned to box in the last few years and would do a good job at moving away from KZ's right. Kostya loads up waaaaaaay too much with that hand and it should be easy for Gatti to get out of there before he gets hit with it. I'm not saying I think he'd win but it would be a closer fight than most people believe. I say KZ wins by SD.

Personally I think it's more about smart money management than being a coward. He may be alot of different things, but I could never consider him a coward. It just doesnt fit ;)


Yeah, a coward he is not, but I do think he is overmatched against the top guys and his management team is smart to keep him away.

Yes, and I am not so sure KT would ruin Gatti.

Obiviously you have not seen many of either guys fights. Gatti leads with his face and KT is by far the heaviest puncher in the division. What does this add up to to you? I can't see Gatti changing styles to pull out a pretty victory :confused:

I don't think it's that much of a runaway as many think. Gatti has learned to box in the last few years and would do a good job at moving away from KZ's right. Kostya loads up waaaaaaay too much with that hand and it should be easy for Gatti to get out of there before he gets hit with it. I'm not saying I think he'd win but it would be a closer fight than most people believe. I say KZ wins by SD.
Sharmba Mitchell couldn't get out of the way of KT's right hand! How on earth would Gatti?

Obiviously you have not seen many of either guys fights. Gatti leads with his face and KT is by far the heaviest puncher in the division. What does this add up to to you? I can't see Gatti changing styles to pull out a pretty victory :confused:
Lol, are you really sure you have seen these guys box?

Since Buddy McGirt is in Gatti's corner, Gatti changed style from brawler to boxer. Sometimes Gatti brawling abilities (especially in the first fights with Buddy McGirt in the corner) will resurface, because the guy appearently likes it. Agains Dorin, Gatti boxed and boxed until that beautiful body shots.

Tszyu is a talent on his own. His power is unquestionable, and his movement is very effective, and had fast footwork (in closing the distance). But with his backward leaning evading style, he gets hit AND sometimes wobbles afterwards.

Gatti got some power too.

To my opinion it will be an exciting fight and tough fight. Tzsyu is the favored to win on my card, but he will not ruin Gatti and Gatti is not without a chance to win.

Sharmba Mitchell couldn't get out of the way of KT's right hand! How on earth would Gatti?

Sometimes to avoid a right hand power shot is not to backup to far. Tszyu can land his right from a long distance (Jake the snake Rodriques). Also when Mitchel decided on survival first, he gave Tszyu all the time to pick his shots. Aiming while "under fire" is more difficult.

I am not sure I would give him very much of a chance against Tszyu. I don't know if his face would be able to stand up against all of the compact heavy punches he would be receiving from Kostya. I doubt that Gatti is a coward like some of you are suggesting though.

Lol, are you really sure you have seen these guys box?

Since Buddy McGirt is in Gatti's corner, Gatti changed style from brawler to boxer. Sometimes Gatti brawling abilities (especially in the first fights with Buddy McGirt in the corner) will resurface, because the guy appearently likes it. Agains Dorin, Gatti boxed and boxed until that beautiful body shots.

Tszyu is a talent on his own. His power is unquestionable, and his movement is very effective, and had fast footwork (in closing the distance). But with his backward leaning evading style, he gets hit AND sometimes wobbles afterwards.

Gatti got some power too.

To my opinion it will be an exciting fight and tough fight. Tzsyu is the favored to win on my card, but he will not ruin Gatti and Gatti is not without a chance to win. I know I shouldn't even respond to posts by a kindergartener, but Gatti would have suffered multiple anal wounds after Tszyu rips into 'em with a blitzkrieg type assault in the 1st round if they end up fighting, which will never happen. For safety reasons according to Gatti's promoters!

Gatti's a true warrior!, they don't make guys like that any more. that man is all heart, he'd die fighting trying to win, someone other than him would have to stop the fight or he'd have to get ko'd cold or get counted out, he'll never quit. but a fight with KT, would be a blood bath, for both. that fight would be seriously one of the most ruthless fights of our era, even if it went one round. i really wish it happens cause it brings up a good question, how would either guy handle the fight? we know KT can hit hard, and Gatti can hit hard too........ i wanna see it!!

I know I shouldn't even respond to posts by a kindergartener, but Gatti would have suffered multiple anal wounds after Tszyu rips into 'em with a blitzkrieg type assault in the 1st round if they end up fighting, which will never happen. For safety reasons according to Gatti's promoters!
Please I urge you to NEVER respond again!

Anal wounds? You are a darkroom guy or something?

Gatti's a true warrior!, they don't make guys like that any more. that man is all heart, he'd die fighting trying to win, someone other than him would have to stop the fight or he'd have to get ko'd cold or get counted out, he'll never quit. but a fight with KT, would be a blood bath, for both. that fight would be seriously one of the most ruthless fights of our era, even if it went one round. i really wish it happens cause it brings up a good question, how would either guy handle the fight? we know KT can hit hard, and Gatti can hit hard too........ i wanna see it!!
Me too !!!

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/518/8687gatti-dorin.gif

Gatti head first and absorbing punches. ;)

(btw for people who never saw him fight, gatti is the guy in the white trunks)