James Toney vs Wlad Klitscko

Who would win. I think Toney beats his ass easily. What do the other posters think?

Toney wins, he wins because he has many more skills offensively and defenceivly. I see Wlad as a one dementional fighter who can be beaten by a guy like Toney.

Wlad has no chance.

Wlad strikes me as someone who has a very weak mind. I can easily see Toney getting deep in his head during the promotion and what not. Wlad would lose the fight before it even starts.

Toney KO 8

Wlad has no chance.

Wlad strikes me as someone who has a very weak mind. I can easily see Toney getting deep in his head during the promotion and what not. Wlad would lose the fight before it even starts.

Toney KO 8

I agree. Who voted for Wlad?

James Toney vs Wlad Klitscko

Who would win. I think Toney beats his ass easily. What do the other posters think?


Wlad beats Toney in a hard battle. Wlad easily outboxed Byrd, and I think he will outbox and take a decision over Toney. Wlad is an extremely talented boxer.

This would be a truly outstanding fight.

dont know

I voted for Toney

Vlad is a chinless guttless dude, whith poor stamina and even less heart.....Toney in 6.

toney would have the fight won before he stepped into the ring. wlad has never fought anyone as angry as toney, and would crumble within the first 5rds.....

Toney wouldn't be able to get inside and do much if Wlad is conditioned well. I like Wlad if it's a KO, but give Toney a slight edge if it goes 12. People remember Wlad punching himself out against Brewster, but forget that he brutalized Chris Byrd, Jameel McCline, and Monte Barrett, 3 guys that are in the same heavyweight ballpark as Toney.

Toney is a ****ing actor. Anyone who watched that little scene he put on yesterday when he joined the best damn dildo's along with Chris Byrd would be able to tell he is a ****ing clown. He is relaxed one second and then the next he stands up and starts acting like a ****ing baboon. I say Wlad in 7 rounds.

Wlad lost to Lamon ****in' Brewster. Wlad is SORRY. Toney would stomp him.

yeah yeah, and your mommy's food coupongs too..

don't forget ****ing danny green kicked tony's ass in sparring, and the aussie is about twenty kilo lighter than the black hot shot in the shower lardass..

this does tell a loooong story. and everybody who knows anything knows this too. wlad would knock his sorry ass to the ground first time he hit him clean, that's the hard fact of life.. now go sleep on that.

Toney got hit with some clean punches by both Holyfield and Booker. Wlads offense is far better than Holy and Booker right now. I wouldnt expect Wlad to freak out and punch himself out like he did agains Brewster since Toney does not appear to have much heavy weight power. Toney has some good fights left in him, but not against the Klitchkos.

man, i can't beleive anyone could even think wlad could handle toney, i think wlad might win the 1st 2or 3 rounds then thats it, toney will take over then ko wlad in the 9th. but for the wlad fans i guess toney wouldn't ko him, wlad would pass out. correction toney may not drop wlad, but it would be stopped by the ref. or wlads corner

i dont see toney beating Wlad...toney is good (i am not a fan but can see talent) and his best thing is he's fast for a HW,,,but i mean even booker connected flush on toney..if Wlad would..he would ko toney..toney has never felt the real power of a quick and hard hitting wlad...i know wlad went down to lame as bewster but dont count him out yet..lets see how he does Oct 2...and u cant call corrie apush over so no one should get on his case for his loss to corrie...anyway i say Wlad by ko in 2 if he fight like he did before corrie..but if he fight like he fought against brewster(which he actually was kcikin his ass until..well i dont even know what the hell happened..next thing i know he's on the canvas)...i jstill just dont see toney going for long with his lame ass power

but wlad has some skills...his only problem is he relys on his height to much (vk doesnt..vk knows u can get ko'ed no matter how tall ur opponent is)

PS...Tyson..even this tyson of our time would have ko'ed booker in about 12 seconds

Wladimir punishes Toney for 2-3 rounds then knocks him savagely out only to find the ASPCA, Jack Hanna and the ghost of Marlon Perkins waiting ringside to prosecute him.....

Wlad's chin wouldn't matter in this fight. It would be the Byrd fight all over again.

Wlad's chin wouldn't matter in this fight. It would be the Byrd fight all over again.

Bryd doesn't hit as hard as toney, remember Bryd never even hurt holyfield, and Toney ko'd him

There is a difference between a KO and a TKO. Holyfield went down more from exhaustion and being tired of Toney hitting him than from Toney's awesome power. A big punch didn't put Holyfield down. Even if Toney hit's harder than Byrd, I think that it is closer than you would admit, Toney still doesn't hit as hard as anyone who has beaten Wlad. I'd say that Toney and Barrett are pretty close in the punching power department. We all know how lopsided Wlad v. Barrett was.

James Toney's a pretender! he's got fast hands alright but he doesn't have the real punching power of a real heavyweight. Don't let his win over the ageing Holyfield and Wlad's loss to Brewster blind you. Wlad beat up real heavies like Byrd, McCline and Barett...yeah, Sanders is one tough SOB! WK's gonna give JT some serious ass whoopin!

There is a difference between a KO and a TKO. Holyfield went down more from exhaustion and being tired of Toney hitting him than from Toney's awesome power. A big punch didn't put Holyfield down. Even if Toney hit's harder than Byrd, I think that it is closer than you would admit, Toney still doesn't hit as hard as anyone who has beaten Wlad. I'd say that Toney and Barrett are pretty close in the punching power department. We all know how lopsided Wlad v. Barrett was.

i agree with toney and barrett's power, but toney's skill is far better than barrett.

I agree. Who voted for Wlad?

Click on the number at it tells you.

So what you are saying is that the fight would be a bit less lopsided. I would hope so. Barrett went down 5 times.

I dont like Toney, but when he was a middle W, I respected him for his power and skill.
However, he has always been a little bit unstable mentaly, and the years have not improved this, I think he is realy a fragile sorta guy in the head, I think that if a fight wasnt goiong his way he would fall apart these days, saying that he would still have Vlads number.

So what you are saying is that the fight would be a bit less lopsided. I would hope so. Barrett went down 5 times.

i'm saying that toney would kick wlads ass.

i'm saying that toney would kick wlads ass.
For once G1 I have to agree with you, Toney would have Vlad beaten before they got in the ring.
I realy cant see the fight lasting more than 6 rounds and thats being kind it could easily be over in the first round as Vlad would come out the corne like a dear caught in a cars headlights he would probably grab hold of Toney on every occasion he got close and resemble a sailor holding onto the mast of his ship in a hurricain. Toney KTFO for sure....

If Toney fought the Holyfield of 6 years ago I guarantee the outcome would have been a whole lot different. Toney would have been ko'd by Holyfield in the 6th round. Seriously, I give Toney props about his boxing skills because he is a very talented boxer but at the middleweight/cruiserweight/light heavyweight divisions only. The heavyweight division is an entirely different animal. That's my problem with all the Toney nuthuggers, they refuse to differentiate the present Holyfield and heavyweight division from the younger Holyfield and lower boxer divisions.

If Toney fought the Holyfield of 6 years ago I guarantee the outcome would have been a whole lot different. Toney would have been ko'd by Holyfield in the 6th round. Seriously, I give Toney props about his boxing skills because he is a very talented boxer but at the middleweight/cruiserweight/light heavyweight divisions only. The heavyweight division is an entirely different animal. That's my problem with all the Toney nuthuggers, they refuse to differentiate the present Holyfield and heavyweight division from the younger Holyfield and lower boxer divisions.

I agree, lets face it the only reason Toney is in the HW division with a chance is because its so poor at the moment, christ even id have a chance at beating some of them and im shot at 34.

Did you see how open Toney was to Booker's hook. What does Wlad love to throw? Hooks. I don't think Toney could handle it. How many Wlad fights have you guys even seen to be thinking Toney would win this easily? When has a fighter like Toney ever beaten Wlad? Never. What has Wlad done to fighters that are similar to Toney? Destroyed them. Toney just does not have what it takes to destroy Wlad. If Toney does win it would be like Brewster did. Act as a human punching bag until he punches himself out. This topic is pretty worthless though because Toney would never fight Wlad unless Wlad had a belt or unless Toney had a belt and Wlad was the #1 contender for that belt.

Wladimir and I have so much in common. Our last names get misspelled so much.

Wladimir and I have so much in common. Our last names get misspelled so much.


Mine too ;) ;) :)

Mine too ;) ;) :)

Hello Nautilus. Thank you for kind words.

Hello Nautilus. Thank you for kind words.

Vyzdaravlivaite poskoree, Winter. Bez Vas tut ochen' kholodno :)

Vyzdaravlivaite poskoree, Winter. Bez Vas tut ochen' kholodno :)


Thank you Nautilus for your words. I will. I told my ankle what you said, and it liked what you said.

Wlad beats Toney in a hard battle. Wlad easily outboxed Byrd, and I think he will outbox and take a decision over Toney. Wlad is an extremely talented boxer.

This would be a truly outstanding fight.
Wlad may have easily outboxed Byrd, not an easy task, but a fight fought at a pace that Wlad likes. Toney would not allow him to sit back and fight a slow pace like that.
Toney would constantly press forward, and force Wlad to actually fight at a reasonable pace, something that he has not proven to be very adept at.
I honestly only give Wlad a puncher's chance against Williamson on Saturday. Williamson was hand-picked becuase of the way he lost to Mesi. Mesi and Wlad are 2 completely different fighters. While I don't think much of Mesi overall, he was able to maintain the fast pace through the first round becuase he is naturally a very large man. His entire life he has carried that kind of natural weight. Wlad has been built up to that weight in the gym and his body wasn't designed to carry it. You can make all the Vaseline excuses you want, Freddie Roach made a mistake in trying to redesign Wlad as a pressure fighter. He's exactly what he's shown himself to be in the last year. A fighter with the body of a Greek God and the chin of a 7 year old girl. All you have to do is force him to fight fast and eventually he will crumble.

Now, if you take some of the muscle mass off him, get him down to a solid and strong 230, I would give him a chance of being dominant again.

Wlad may have easily outboxed Byrd, not an easy task, but a fight fought at a pace that Wlad likes. Toney would not allow him to sit back and fight a slow pace like that.
Toney would constantly press forward, and force Wlad to actually fight at a reasonable pace, something that he has not proven to be very adept at.
I honestly only give Wlad a puncher's chance against Williamson on Saturday. Williamson was hand-picked becuase of the way he lost to Mesi. Mesi and Wlad are 2 completely different fighters. While I don't think much of Mesi overall, he was able to maintain the fast pace through the first round becuase he is naturally a very large man. His entire life he has carried that kind of natural weight. Wlad has been built up to that weight in the gym and his body wasn't designed to carry it. You can make all the Vaseline excuses you want, Freddie Roach made a mistake in trying to redesign Wlad as a pressure fighter. He's exactly what he's shown himself to be in the last year. A fighter with the body of a Greek God and the chin of a 7 year old girl. All you have to do is force him to fight fast and eventually he will crumble.

Now, if you take some of the muscle mass off him, get him down to a solid and strong 230, I would give him a chance of being dominant again.

Either way if Toney does win, he is going to have to be a human punching bag for a few rounds first.

Toney's greatest skill is his ability to slip, dodge and deflect punches. Jirov is a serious puncher with handspeed to match and he couldn't keep Toney off of him.Wlad likely punches harder, but Toney is good enough to withstand the initial barrage.

Toney wins by KO in the middle rounds.

the show is ofr the money.. and it worked he sogned a deal with pony

Toney is going to last about as long as an erection in a Nogales whorehouse....

Wlad likely punches harder. Wlad is one of the hardest hitting heavys out there now which is something Toney has never been hit with before.

People love talking **** about Toney defeating Jirov but the reality is that Jirov was winning that fight, Toney needed that last round knockdown for him to squeeze out the win. If Jirov was smart he would have stayed away and jabbed for points and he would have squeezed out the victory.

You & I believe that Jirov was winning but he was WAY behind on the crooked judge's cards unfortunately.....

Toney is a ****ing actor. Anyone who watched that little scene he put on yesterday when he joined the best damn dildo's along with Chris Byrd would be able to tell he is a ****ing clown. He is relaxed one second and then the next he stands up and starts acting like a ****ing baboon. I say Wlad in 7 rounds.

THE BEST DAMN DILDO'S!!! LOL!!!

MAN THAT WAS GREAT! HAHAHA!!!

WLAD WOUULD LOSE TO TONEY, BUT VITALI WOULD BEAT TONEY.

PEACE.

Jirov was winning the fight on pure workrate. I've never seen a more relentless fighter. The fact is that he lost the fight and got knocked on his ass. Had the fight gone on longer he would have gotten knocked out. I think Jirov (should they fight again) would give Toney more trouble than Wlad would ever give him. I had Jirov winning by a round (6-5) if i recall it right.

THE BEST DAMN DILDO'S!!! LOL!!!

MAN THAT WAS GREAT! HAHAHA!!!

WLAD WOUULD LOSE TO TONEY, BUT VITALI WOULD BEAT TONEY.

PEACE.

Chris Rose has the best (easiest, most enjoyable) job on the planet outside of any NFL punter.

Wlad may have easily outboxed Byrd, not an easy task, but a fight fought at a pace that Wlad likes. Toney would not allow him to sit back and fight a slow pace like that.
Toney would constantly press forward, and force Wlad to actually fight at a reasonable pace, something that he has not proven to be very adept at.

The analysis at http://www.compuboxonline.com/stats.shtml shows that Toney is not a substantially more intensive puncher than Byrd. He also probably has a slightly stronger punch than Byrd, and his skill level might be higher. I think Wlad will have more problems with Toney, but I think he will win convincingly.

I honestly only give Wlad a puncher's chance against Williamson on Saturday. Williamson was hand-picked becuase of the way he lost to Mesi.

We'll see. I hope that Wlad has recovered from his mishaps.

You can make all the Vaseline excuses you want, Freddie Roach made a mistake in trying to redesign Wlad as a pressure fighter. He's exactly what he's shown himself to be in the last year. A fighter with the body of a Greek God and the chin of a 7 year old girl. All you have to do is force him to fight fast and eventually he will crumble.

So which is the problem: the stamina or the chin?

The silly vaseline story is the one made up by the media; it never came from the Klitschko camp. His blood sugar was abnormally high, and this is all that the Klitschko camp has ever claimed officially.


Now, if you take some of the muscle mass off him, get him down to a solid and strong 230, I would give him a chance of being dominant again.

His fight weight recently was about 240. Loosing a few pounds may help, but it depends on who he fights with. In the case of the fight with Toney, it is a good idea.

We'll see. I hope that Wlad has recovered from his mishaps.

mishaps? that's rather generous.

So which is the problem: the stamina or the chin?

He has problems in both regards. In the Sanders fight, it was definitely all chin.
In the Brewster fight he was showing Fatigue when he got clocked.
The stamina can be dealt with, the chin cannot.


The silly vaseline story is the one made up by the media; it never came from the Klitschko camp. His blood sugar was abnormally high, and this is all that the Klitschko camp has ever claimed officially.

I have trouble believing that. The bloodsugar story seemed, to me at least, to be ass-covering from the media backlash at blaming a skilled professional for their fighter's weaknesses. Of course I could be wrong, but I've seen nothing to make me believe I am.

Dropping to the 230 lb range would be beneficial to regardless of who he was fighting, if he is to continue in the style that Roach seems to be pushing for. If he goes back to a style more like he had pre-Roach, it would only be detrimental.

He has problems in both regards. In the Sanders fight, it was definitely all chin.


Sanders has a punch of a horse and a heart of a lion ... and not much else. To Wlad's credit, Wlad was getting up after each knock-down; that's what Foreman noted. If Wlad would have come in to the fight expecting that he might get knocked down, the outcome would have been entirely different.

Sanders has a punch of a horse and a heart of a lion ... and not much else. To Wlad's credit, Wlad was getting up after each knock-down; that's what Foreman noted. If Wlad would have come in to the fight expecting that he might get knocked down, the outcome would have been entirely different.


He definitely showed more heart than brains in that fight.

I can't buy that he wasn't "expecting that he might get knocked down". If that's the case, then he was very ill-prepared for this fight because the book on Sanders was exactly as you said, punch of a horse and heart of a lion and not much else.
Wlad has never come across to me as the overconfident type. I've never really heard him talk **** about how he's the greatest who ever lived, no one could beat him, etc, etc. I think all that happened in that fight was that he was proven to have a suspect chin. The Brewster fight proved it was more than suspect.

He definitely showed more heart than brains in that fight.

Wlad has never come across to me as the overconfident type. I've never really heard him talk **** about how he's the greatest who ever lived, no one could beat him, etc, etc. I think all that happened in that fight was that he was proven to have a suspect chin. The Brewster fight proved it was more than suspect.


Talking aloud and thinking are generally quite different things. ;)

However, in one of his HBO interviews, Wlad did admit that he had come in to the Sanders fight having the feeling of an invincible champ.

Against Brewster Klitschko was drugged. Vegas knew. End of story. Next.

You & I believe that Jirov was winning but he was WAY behind on the crooked judge's cards unfortunately.....


HBO had it even ... in sharp contrast to the scorecards.

Against Brewster Klitschko was drugged. Vegas knew. End of story. Next.


The Brewster's "heroic" fight against Meehan has removed all the remaining doubts I had.

Either way, I think that I get the impression that a lot of people, especially Toney fans, think that Mesi is extremely overrated. He outboxed Jirov for most of their fight until he ran out of gas. What does that say about Toney and Jirov?

Either way, I think that I get the impression that a lot of people, especially Toney fans, think that Mesi is extremely overrated. He outboxed Jirov for most of their fight until he ran out of gas. What does that say about Toney and Jirov?

Jirov's defense against Mesi was very good. I thought Jirov won, but, of course, I am biased towards my favorite character. Also, it did not seem that Mesi ran out of gas ... Simply Jirov chose to go after Messi in the last three rounds.

Mesi is very good, I think. It's too bad that he obtained that head trauma. I wish him well, quick recovery, and I hope to see him fighting for the title one day.

http://www.compuboxonline.com/stats/stats_mesijirov.shtml

This thread is stupid, everyone knows that Wlad will kill Toney in the first round. Haven't you guys seen rocky IV?

http://www.compuboxonline.com/stats/stats_mesijirov.shtml

These numbers do not really contradict my opinion. Moreover, these numbers are based on ``expert opinions" that are prone to human error, to some degree. For example, what constitutes a ``lended power punch?"

The fight was close on the official score-card and on my score-card, with only one point deciding who wins. The numbers show that Jirov won the first and the last two rounds. He also scored three knockdowns in the last two rounds. This makes it a close fight, with Mesi winning by a point. I also gave Jirov the second round, because I am probably biased, which would make it a winning fight for Jirov, on my biased score-card.

In any case, I think Mesi is a top 5 fighter and I hope he claims a champion belt one day. He is also one of the most decent characters in this sport.

These numbers do not really contradict my opinion. Moreover, these numbers are based on ``expert opinions" that are prone to human error, to some degree. For example, what constitutes a ``lended power punch?"

The fight was close on the official score-card and on my score-card, with only one point deciding who wins. The numbers show that Jirov won the first and the last two rounds. He also scored three knockdowns in the last two rounds. This makes it a close fight, with Mesi winning by a point. I also gave Jirov the second round, because I am probably biased, which would make it a winning fight for Jirov, on my biased score-card.

In any case, I think Mesi is a top 5 fighter and I hope he claims a champion belt one day. He is also one of the most decent characters in this sport.

Obviously it was close Jirov won the 1st round, he won the 9th round 10-8, and he won the 10th round 10-7 which comes to 94-93.

Toney by UD

Toney by UD

So I guess that means that you think that Wlad is a shot fighter then.

this is a tough one.... toney has fought nobody at heavey and wlad has serious questions to answer about his mental pschye... i'd have to go with toney right now and i hate him, so you have to know it pains me.. even if wlad blows out williamson, it wont answer any questions...

If he goes back to a style more like he had pre-Roach, it would only be detrimental.[/QUOTE]

Freddie roach isn't his trainer and hasn't been for quite some time!!! Manny Steward is his trainer!!! Lewis' ex trainer!!!

You & I believe that Jirov was winning but he was WAY behind on the crooked judge's cards unfortunately.....

I believe it too!!!

I would say James Toney will beat Wladimir because Wladimir is a very average heavyweight with a stiff predictable style. If James Toney cannot beat Wladimir then he should move back down in weight in my opinion because that will prove their is no future for him in the heavyweight division.

I think it would be a tough fight for both guys.

Toney gets beaten down to the canvas before 6....

Toney easily avoids the punches of Wlad, who is tense & tight from the opening bell. After a few rounds of this, Wlad unravels. He starts to eat punches & quickly falls.
Toney in 6.

Toney would not fare as well against Vitali... who's just too big, too tough for Toney.

Jibby watches Toney fall like an ape from a poacher's rifle shot against Wladimir...heartbroken he puts on a Billie Holiday LP, a wig & some lipstick, his favourite T-girl outfit and rocks back and forth crying alone in a dark room.

Im surprised that so many people still have faith in Wlad after his last 2 performances. If you compare Toney last fights vs Wlad's IMO there is no question who would win between the two if they fought today. Its no brainer IMO, Toney would whoop Wlad ass and I think it would be fairly easily. Wlad would have a hard time hitting James and could not go as long as James can. Wlad would loose either from his sub-par stamina or from his glass chin. Even if Toney doesnt have a great power, I think he could KO Wlad.

Im surprised that so many people still have faith in Wlad after his last 2 performances. If you compare Toney last fights vs Wlad's IMO there is no question who would win between the two if they fought today. Its no brainer IMO, Toney would whoop Wlad ass and I think it would be fairly easily. Wlad would have a hard time hitting James and could not go as long as James can. Wlad would loose either from his sub-par stamina or from his glass chin. Even if Toney doesnt have a great power, I think he could KO Wlad.

How accurate are you at predicting fights? Are you very good? I am just wondering.

I voted for Wlad. IMO his last loss was due to him being drugged (I know Ill get flamed for that statment, but I believe there was foul play, nonetheless) and is far too strong (and tall) for Toney. I finished watching Toney's little comeback fight against Rydell Booker and was not impress one bit. Wlad would mop the floor with him. I think the fight would be much like the Vitali/Kirk Johnson fight. Like Chris Byrd said after the Booker fight, "None of the top heavyweights are losing any sleep over James Toney"

Im surprised that so many people still have faith in Wlad after his last 2 performances. If you compare Toney last fights vs Wlad's IMO there is no question who would win between the two if they fought today. Its no brainer IMO, Toney would whoop Wlad ass and I think it would be fairly easily. Wlad would have a hard time hitting James and could not go as long as James can. Wlad would loose either from his sub-par stamina or from his glass chin. Even if Toney doesnt have a great power, I think he could KO Wlad.

I love the avitar!!! Gn'R is my fav alltime band!!!
BUT!!! Vlad will win easily against Toney!!! Probably by UD!!!

How accurate are you at predicting fights? Are you very good? I am just wondering.

Well I picked DLH over Hopkins, because I like DLH, and we know how that turned out. :mad: I'm usually OK at picking fights. Not great by any means.

I got Trinidad over Mayorga this weekend and well see what happens there! I'll be bummed if Tito looses this fight.

I love the avitar!!! Gn'R is my fav alltime band!!!
BUT!!! Vlad will win easily against Toney!!! Probably by UD!!!

Thanks! My fav too.

Jibby watches Toney fall like an ape from a poacher's rifle shot against Wladimir...heartbroken he puts on a Billie Holiday LP, a wig & some lipstick, his favourite T-girl outfit and rocks back and forth crying alone in a dark room.


Not a big enough fan of Toney to care if he gets iced.

The above desrcibed reaction of mine...very elaborate.
You seem to know a lot about drag queens & homosexuals...
I assume that's just par for the course when you're German.

I would say James Toney will beat Wladimir because Wladimir is a very average heavyweight with a stiff predictable style. If James Toney cannot beat Wladimir then he should move back down in weight in my opinion because that will prove their is no future for him in the heavyweight division.

What does that make everyone that he has beaten?

Toney wins, he wins because he has many more skills offensively and defenceivly.