Film of Jim Jeffries:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/17FjFuGr61k&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/17FjFuGr61k&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/2KdxLX5xcI4&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/2KdxLX5xcI4&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Jeffries is in black.

The quality is alright considering that in other versions that I've seen of these films you could hardly make out what was happening in the ring.

now post the video of jack johnson annihilating him you nazi....nothing special was happening in the ring fyi dont blame the cameras......and dont bring up revisionist history because he ducked johnson for years in his prime and was the favorite.........

now post the video of jack johnson annihilating him you nazi....nothing special was happening in the ring fyi dont blame the cameras......and dont bring up revisionist history because he ducked johnson for years in his prime and was the favorite.........

:ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

Okay?

I notice that he uses a ton of counter uppercuts on Sailor Tom Sharkey.

Here is some training footage (for whatever reason the full video of Jeffries in training was taken off youtube):

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/bF5NVO0WA6A&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bF5NVO0WA6A&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
0:55

Film of Jim Jeffries:

Jeffries is in black.

The quality is alright considering that in other versions that I've seen of these films you could hardly make out what was happening in the ring.

I've always been interested im a Jeffries-Foreman match up. George was so strong and such a bruiser in his prime, Whill Jeff had that concrete chin and great stamina and athleticism. One of the more intriguing fantasy match ups in my opinion.

now post the video of jack johnson annihilating him you nazi....nothing special was happening in the ring fyi dont blame the cameras......and dont bring up revisionist history because he ducked johnson for years in his prime and was the favorite.........

:ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

Okay?

i LOL'd :lol1:

I notice that he uses a ton of counter uppercuts on Sailor Tom Sharkey.

Here is some training footage (for whatever reason the full video of Jeffries in training was taken off youtube):


** Really liked that right uppercut. Wasn't this the "cigar box" footage?

The rhythm of the hand crank is the same in both films. They could have never held cigar box level and crank it simultaneously much less fit the equipment in a cigar box which is why I question so many of the usual suspects passing as historians.

Maybe they could fit it in a cigar crate, but regardless, please do take care my friend. The evil empire has eliminated Lion King and Mac from the ranks. They even eliminated a guy with a most incredible Ukrainian video short set to one of the great Russian classical composers. His sin was putting up a couple of Wlad fights I guess as that and the video short was all he had.

I've always been interested im a Jeffries-Foreman match up. George was so strong and such a bruiser in his prime, Whill Jeff had that concrete chin and great stamina and athleticism. One of the more intriguing fantasy match ups in my opinion.

:ugh: foreman would murder him!

now post the video of jack johnson annihilating him you nazi....nothing special was happening in the ring fyi dont blame the cameras......and dont bring up revisionist history because he ducked johnson for years in his prime and was the favorite.........

Six year layoff

And he still went 15 rounds with Johnson :*******:.

Maybe they could fit it in a cigar crate, but regardless, please do take care my friend. The evil empire has eliminated Lion King and Mac from the ranks. They even eliminated a guy with a most incredible Ukrainian video short set to one of the great Russian classical composers. His sin was putting up a couple of Wlad fights I guess as that and the video short was all he had.

I try to avoid putting up any videos that'll get me suspended from youtube.

It's usually recent fights that end up getting people banned, I've mostly uploaded footage from 1950's and before.

You never know though but so far I haven't gotten any complaints.

Sailor Tom Sharkey. Owner of history most signifikant cauliflower ear along with Battling Nelson.

http://memory.loc.gov/ndlpcoop/ichicdn/s0011/s001124.jpg


http://memory.loc.gov/ndlpcoop/ichicdn/s0011/s001129.jpg

I have found this brilliant piece regarding the Jeffries-Sharkey relationship:

"...probably his toughest duel, and certainly his most memorable, was his classic championship bout with the great Jim Jeffries in the searing heat of the Coney Island Athletic Club on the night of November 3, 1899.

It was a fight for the ages, which proved in time to be so much more. It was a long, brutal confrontation that showcased outstanding talent and unrelenting courage. It forged a deep mutual respect between two of the hardiest men in the boxing universe and ultimately led to a trusting and enduring friendship.

Many years after that memorable struggle for supremacy, Tom Sharkey walked into Jim Jeffries’ café in Los Angeles. Tom was drifting from job to job, having lost all the money he made in the ring. Big Jeff gave him a position and paid him a good salary. The two men quickly became friends. When the café eventually closed, Sharkey moved on and worked for promoter James Coffroth at the Tijuana racetrack. But Jeffries didn’t forget Sailor Tom.

By 1926, Jeff was having money troubles of his own and began a vaudeville tour in an attempt to recoup some of his losses. He invited Sharkey to join him.

Jeff’s often stern demeanour belied the kind and generous man he was. Honest to the core in his dealings with people, his great failing in business matters was to assume that others followed a similar moral code. Many of Jeff’s investments went awry through his trust of dishonest or deluded schemers.

Jeffries was a happy and contented man for the most part, farming his ranch in the San Fernando Valley, but he clearly had a greater love and understanding for the simpler business and simpler principles of the boxing ring. Perhaps that was why he got along so well with Tom Sharkey, for Tom was even more of a fish out of water after the final punches had been thrown and the cheers of the crowds had died away.

Big Jeff would always talk of Sharkey with great fondness. The Sailor could fight and he never stopped coming at you. This was the man whom the clever and hard-hitting Joe Choynski had so sorely underrated in an incredible, topsy-turvy tussle in San Francisco. Twice Choynski knocked the rampaging Sharkey out of the ring. On each occasion, Tom landed on his head, only to bounce up and clamber back into the ring. He won the fight and the result was regarded as a sensation."


And this is about the fight:

"Two men get to know each other well over 45 rounds of brutal fighting. Before Jeffries and Sharkey renewed hostilities at Coney Island, Jeff had decisioned Tom in another taxing battle at the Mechanics Pavilion in San Francisco in May 1898. Such fights and memories linger in a man’s mind until he takes his final breath.

When big Jeff hooked up with his old pal Nat Fleischer in 1950, the two men turned the clock back half a century and recalled the Irish terror with the cauliflower ear. “They come no greater,” said Jeffries of Sailor Tom. “If ever there was a game and desperate fighter, Sharkey was the man. I split his eye open with one blow in our second battle and his ear started to swell until it was almost as big as my fist. When I landed on that ear, it was like hitting a big wet sponge. Yet he wouldn’t think of quitting.
.....

How they went at each other. Jeffries and Sharkey never let up in their Coney Island classic. The rumour had gone around that Jeff wasn’t in his best shape. Some rumour. The champion announced his weight as 210lbs and looked superb. Sailor Tom was some 25lbs lighter, but gloriously chiselled, gnarled and fighting fit. Of all the toughs, Sharkey was the man you didn’t want to meet in a back alley on a rough night in Dublin.

Jeff and Tom entered the ring at two minutes past ten in the evening, and they were stepping into a furnace that was being stoked by the second.

While it had been an unusually warm day for the time of year, the heat of the night within the Coney Island Athletic Club was coming from 400 arc lamps suspended just fifteen feet above the canvas. For the first time, a film of a fight was being shot in artificial light. People in the great crowd were visibly sweating as they stood tightly packed in the aisles and perched high up around the building. Among them were such giants of the day as John L Sullivan, Jim Corbett, Kid McCoy, Peter Maher and George Dixon.

The two contestants didn’t disappoint the house. In the aftermath, most of those present would be unable to recall when two heavyweights hit each other so hard and for so long. Jeffries and Sharkey fought ferociously from the opening gong, with Sailor Tom very much the rushing and fearless aggressor. Jeff got an idea of the marathon struggle that was in store for him when he dropped Sharkey to his knees in the second round with a big left hook to the jaw. Tom got up and ploughed straight back into the attack, as if the setback were an aberration.

The two men hammered and jolted each other in close with tremendous blows, their durability a testament to their magnificent conditioning and inner spirit. Sharkey was cautioned several times for holding by referee George Siler, but the Irish Terror just kept charging and rushing, locked in his own private war against the one man he wanted to beat above all others."

The article is long and I recommend reading the whole piece which includes a fine fight description.

http://www.grandslampage.net/32901.html

Here's a description of Jeffries diet when he trained to fight. Some fighters today might learn a thing or two....:

“I trained two months on the road in the ordinary way,” he explained. “Then I put in three months of the hardest kind of work, running, boxing and above all, dieting for the fight. I weighed 247 pounds stripped when I began the real work of conditioning, and that was my normal weight – not fat.

“For three months, I ate hardly anything. You’d be amazed to know how little a big man really needs to eat and how much stronger a man becomes if he doesn’t eat too much. It’s no joke that people dig their graves with their teeth.

“I would eat two small lamb chops for my dinner, with all the fat trimmed off. That made about two small bites to each chop. I had a little fruit and toast. I had dry toast for months – very little. All through that hard training, I ate as little as I could and drank nothing at all but a little cool water with lemon juice in it.”

Jeffries was equally driven in his quest to learn more about the many subtleties and disciplines of boxing. He knew he could punch – and how he could punch – but he enhanced his natural power by learning to hit correctly. An educated left hand, he believed was of the essence. “With it a smart man can whip practically all right hand punchers. If you add to that left the knack of stepping into a blow instead of backing away, a smart man can whip practically anybody.”

Jeff maintained that the true power punches, the devastating short hooks to body and jaw, came from the snap. The way in which the opponent fell would most often be the barometer of the blow’s correctness and timing.

“All the force of the blow is snapped into a few inches, and it doesn’t push a man back,” Jeffries said. “A short blow can be snapped, but a long blow is never anything but a big push. I always tried to snap my punches. I got the idea seeing Fitzsimmons fight Corbett with those little short punches at Carson City, the time we were together up there. I had it knocked into me by the way Fitzsimmons’ punches jarred me when I beat him for the championship. Fitzsimmons was the greatest short punch hitter I ever saw.

“When I knocked Fitzsimmons out with a right on the jaw at Coney Island, he fell forward. When I knocked Corbett out with a left hook on the jaw, he fell on his face. I knocked Gus Ruhlin out in the fifth round with one punch in the body, and he doubled up and fell forward.

“I only remember two fellows who went backward when I hit them. One was Joe Goddard. That was before I learned how to hit. The other was Tom Sharkey. Tom was the toughest bird I ever fought and he gave me a lot of trouble."

:ugh: foreman would murder him!

Ok. Why? Jeffries was big, strong, athletic and known to be able to endure extreme punishment. How do you know George wouldn't have his hanmds full or even lose for that matter?

Here's a description of Jeffries diet when he trained to fight. Some fighters today might learn a thing or two....:

“I trained two months on the road in the ordinary way,” he explained. “Then I put in three months of the hardest kind of work, running, boxing and above all, dieting for the fight. I weighed 247 pounds stripped when I began the real work of conditioning, and that was my normal weight – not fat.

“For three months, I ate hardly anything. You’d be amazed to know how little a big man really needs to eat and how much stronger a man becomes if he doesn’t eat too much. It’s no joke that people dig their graves with their teeth.

“I would eat two small lamb chops for my dinner, with all the fat trimmed off. That made about two small bites to each chop. I had a little fruit and toast. I had dry toast for months – very little. All through that hard training, I ate as little as I could and drank nothing at all but a little cool water with lemon juice in it.”

Jeffries was equally driven in his quest to learn more about the many subtleties and disciplines of boxing. He knew he could punch – and how he could punch – but he enhanced his natural power by learning to hit correctly. An educated left hand, he believed was of the essence. “With it a smart man can whip practically all right hand punchers. If you add to that left the knack of stepping into a blow instead of backing away, a smart man can whip practically anybody.”

Jeff maintained that the true power punches, the devastating short hooks to body and jaw, came from the snap. The way in which the opponent fell would most often be the barometer of the blow’s correctness and timing.

“All the force of the blow is snapped into a few inches, and it doesn’t push a man back,” Jeffries said. “A short blow can be snapped, but a long blow is never anything but a big push. I always tried to snap my punches. I got the idea seeing Fitzsimmons fight Corbett with those little short punches at Carson City, the time we were together up there. I had it knocked into me by the way Fitzsimmons’ punches jarred me when I beat him for the championship. Fitzsimmons was the greatest short punch hitter I ever saw.

“When I knocked Fitzsimmons out with a right on the jaw at Coney Island, he fell forward. When I knocked Corbett out with a left hook on the jaw, he fell on his face. I knocked Gus Ruhlin out in the fifth round with one punch in the body, and he doubled up and fell forward.

“I only remember two fellows who went backward when I hit them. One was Joe Goddard. That was before I learned how to hit. The other was Tom Sharkey. Tom was the toughest bird I ever fought and he gave me a lot of trouble."

Great stuff Bat!!

Ok. Why? Jeffries was big, strong, athletic and known to be able to endure extreme punishment. How do you know George wouldn't have his hanmds full or even lose for that matter?

Jeffries was strong and athletic but Foreman was on another level as far as size, power was concerned.

I actually think Foreman is a bad match up for Jeffires because they both would stand and trade and that would benefit Foreman incredibly.

I think Foreman would KO Jeffries.

Jeffries was strong and athletic but Foreman was on another level as far as size, power was concerned.

I actually think Foreman is a bad match up for Jeffires because they both would stand and trade and that would benefit Foreman incredibly.

I think Foreman would KO Jeffries.

I think the simple matter is George's pole like jab.

Six year layoff

And he still went 15 rounds with Johnson :*******:.

your just covering up the truth like i stated johnson chased jeffries for years when they were both active but jeffries refused to give him a shot.......even jeffries supporters said he should fight johnson.....then he retired like a ***** only returning after it finally got to him that he was an overrated fighter...they used to have open workouts and sparring in front of the public back then and they all said jeffries looks like a beast and johnson has no chance......then johnson embarrassed him and the excuses started....

and 15 rounds only because johnson toyed with his ***** ass like a fat roll of playdoe....jeffries didnt even land 1 good punch....if that fight happened today they wouldve stopped it within 8......

Not only was Jeffries coming off a six-year layoff, he lost like a hundred pounds in a crash diet to get ready for the fight!

I have no problem with Jim Jeffries. I always thought he was a great champion for his time. Had he met Johnson earlier (i.e. when he was young and hungry for victory) I have no doubt the fight would've been much more competitive.

your just covering up the truth like i stated johnson chased jeffries for years when they were both active but jeffries refused to give him a shot.......even jeffries supporters said he should fight johnson.....then he retired like a ***** only returning after it finally got to him that he was an overrated fighter...they used to have open workouts and sparring in front of the public back then and they all said jeffries looks like a beast and johnson has no chance......then johnson embarrassed him and the excuses started....

and 15 rounds only because johnson toyed with his ***** ass like a fat roll of playdoe....jeffries didnt even land 1 good punch....if that fight happened today they wouldve stopped it within 8......

Jeffries didn't duck Johnson because he was afraid of him. He ducked him because he did'nt like Negroes.

your just covering up the truth like i stated johnson chased jeffries for years when they were both active but jeffries refused to give him a shot.......even jeffries supporters said he should fight johnson.....then he retired like a ***** only returning after it finally got to him that he was an overrated fighter...they used to have open workouts and sparring in front of the public back then and they all said jeffries looks like a beast and johnson has no chance......then johnson embarrassed him and the excuses started....

and 15 rounds only because johnson toyed with his ***** ass like a fat roll of playdoe....jeffries didnt even land 1 good punch....if that fight happened today they wouldve stopped it within 8......

Jack Johnson's win over a 6 year inactive Jeffries means much less than even Calzaghe's win over Roy Jones Jr, which is to say next to nothing. Jeffries wasn't 5'7", 168 lb Tommy Burns, 5'9", 170 lb Stanley Ketchel or 5'6", 156 lb Sam Langford, which are the only people Johnson ever fought that had a pulse.

Keep holding onto the Jeffries win. You might be one of about 6 people that it actually has meaning to. And be glad Jim didn't fight him before he retired, or we would never have even heard of Johnson.

i stated johnson chased jeffries for years when they were both active but jeffries refused to give him a shot.......even jeffries supporters said he should fight johnson.....then he retired like a *****

** The operative question everyone wants to know so as to proceed properly is, "What grade are you in?"

The Great A graciously creates a brilliant historical link for us to discuss Jeffries at his best, and all you want to do is impersonate a turd in a punchbowl.

I'm here to tell you junior that you couldn't even carry Barbie's jock strap much less Ken's as far as understanding boxing and it's history.

Tell you what kid, go get your minder to create a Jeffries ducked Johnson thread and I'll be more than happy to watch you burst into tears as the truth is revealed.

** Oh, and Jab, speaking as both a Jeff and George fan, have to favor George in a fantasy dustup unless Jeff has a year to acclimate to modern styles and sizes. His chin was never tested at the level of Foreman, and he never had to fight a good really big man, and George was a great big man in his fashion.

Adjusting for eras, they are almost like twins in their natural attributes and the way their careers went save George slipping against Ali before retiring.

http://i40.tinypic.com/ajkxp2.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/23ifo0j.jpg

Ok. Why? Jeffries was big, strong, athletic and known to be able to endure extreme punishment. How do you know George wouldn't have his hanmds full or even lose for that matter?

jeffries was good for his time but he wouldnt have been able to avoid georges shots, his defence wasnt good enough, george would land big almost straight up, push him onto the ropes and batter him relentlessly

and no im not being biased against old timers, im just telling it like it is, georgie would **** his world up

jeffries was good for his time but he wouldnt have been able to avoid georges shots, his defence wasnt good enough, george would land big almost straight up, push him onto the ropes and batter him relentlessly

and no im not being biased against old timers, im just telling it like it is, georgie would **** his world up

Going by EVERY account available Jeffries stamina and chin were of the very best ever. I also think you are underestimating Jeff's skills as he was never a plodder or a fighter to stand right in front of his man. Im not saying Jeffries wins this fight, but given his chin, skills and stamina....what happens if George doesn't get him out early? This isn't Gregorio Peralta or even Ron Lyle that we're talking about here.

** The operative question everyone wants to know so as to proceed properly is, "What grade are you in?"

The Great A graciously creates a brilliant historical link for us to discuss Jeffries at his best, and all you want to do is impersonate a turd in a punchbowl.

I'm here to tell you junior that you couldn't even carry Barbie's jock strap much less Ken's as far as understanding boxing and it's history.

Tell you what kid, go get your minder to create a Jeffries ducked Johnson thread and I'll be more than happy to watch you burst into tears as the truth is revealed.

** Oh, and Jab, speaking as both a Jeff and George fan, have to favor George in a fantasy dustup unless Jeff has a year to acclimate to modern styles and sizes. His chin was never tested at the level of Foreman, and he never had to fight a good really big man, and George was a great big man in his fashion.

Adjusting for eras, they are almost like twins in their natural attributes and the way their careers went save George slipping against Ali before retiring.

Always a pleasure listening to your insights and opinion my friend.

Going by EVERY account available Jeffries stamina and chin were of the very best ever. I also think you are underestimating Jeff's skills as he was never a plodder or a fighter to stand right in front of his man. Im not saying Jeffries wins this fight, but given his chin, skills and stamina....what happens if George doesn't get him out early? This isn't Gregorio Peralta or even Ron Lyle that we're talking about here.

jeffries never fought a fighter who could hit as hard as george, jeffries might have looked good against fighters from that era, but against foreman he would have been in serious trouble

Perhaps the more interesting scenario is what, if anything, Foreman would've done to prime Jack Johnson?


:boxing:

Keep holding onto the Jeffries win. You might be one of about 6 people that it actually has meaning to. And be glad Jim didn't fight him before he retired, or we would never have even heard of Johnson.

the whole country watched the fight so dont tell me only 6 people care.....

and jim jeffries sucked bad......who did he beat......talk about johnsons size advantage he was at least 20 pounds smaller then jeffries in his prime.......jim jeffries was just a fat farmer bum beater....



to johnson vs foreman

jack johnson is not a top 5 heavy but george foreman cant beat anyone who moves which is what johnson did...look at all foremans losses to the same type of fighter

the whole country watched the fight so dont tell me only 6 people care.....

and jim jeffries sucked bad......who did he beat......talk about johnsons size advantage he was at least 20 pounds smaller then jeffries in his prime.......jim jeffries was just a fat farmer bum beater....



to johnson vs foreman

jack johnson is not a top 5 heavy but george foreman cant beat anyone who moves which is what johnson did...look at all foremans losses to the same type of fighter

They thought so much of Jeffries that even after a SIX YEAR LAYOFF they figured he ought to be able to beat Johnson. Who did Jeffries beat? Well he was 7-1-1 against Hall Of Famers, for starters.

Johnson made his name off of guys who wouldn't even be middleweights today and one old, fat, retired 6 year layoff ATG HW. If he wasn't the first black HW champ (huge accomplishment beating a 5'7", 168 lb midget,) and if people didn't overrate his win over Jeffries, no one would have a clue who he was.

And sorry chump, Jeffries beats Johnson, but Foreman annihilates him.

Which one is Jefferies? They are both in black. Is he the shorter one?

Which one is Jefferies? They are both in black. Is he the shorter one?

No Jeffries is the taller one fighting out of a crouch most of the time.

jeffries never fought a fighter who could hit as hard as george, jeffries might have looked good against fighters from that era, but against foreman he would have been in serious trouble

With all due respect, this is guess work at best without a knowledgable foundation. Jeff could bang too, was much more athletic and had an incredible chin and stamina. You still haven't answered my question.....what happens if Foreman doesn't get him out of there early?

I wouldn't favor Jeff either, but you've made it sound like he has no chance whatsoever, when in fact this is a very compelling match-up.

If Jeffries makes it past 5, he wins this fight. and from what we know of him, this isn't an outlandish thought.

With all due respect, this is guess work at best without a knowledgable foundation. Jeff could bang too, was much more athletic and had an incredible chin and stamina. You still haven't answered my question.....what happens if Foreman doesn't get him out of there early?

I wouldn't favor Jeff either, but you've made it sound like he has no chance whatsoever, when in fact this is a very compelling match-up.

If Jeffries makes it past 5, he wins this fight. and from what we know of him, this isn't an outlandish thought.
Indeed stamina is the point. Prime Foreman could hardly go 5 rounds and Jeffries could go 20 or more.

I'd still favor Big George though. Prime Foreman was a freakish beast.

Indeed stamina is the point. Prime Foreman could hardly go 5 rounds and Jeffries could go 20 or more.

I'd still favor Big George though. Prime Foreman was a freakish beast.

The problem with estimating such a match-up is how much boxing had evolved in their respected era's. Jeffries' era consisted of much clinching and less skill and use of footwork.

Although Foreman was no dancer, he has been in the ring with men that did move faster then Jeffries. That being said, Jeffries showed a better chin, especially in regard to the punishment he was recieving in the second Fitszimmons fight, whereas Foreman was dropped by Lyle twice in their bruising encounter.

Stylistically, Foreman gets the edge. Jeffries at around 6'1'' was considered a big Heavyweight of his day, his suited style was from a crouch to where he would lead a jab from his left, setting up thunderous shots from his right. This would be a negative approach for a 6'4'' Foreman who's jab and cross' would be something Jeffries has not experienced. Foreman would knock Jeffries out purely on fighting manner/style. That is not to say Foreman was a better fighter, just the fact boxing had evolved enormously.

That being said, i would like to muster up a dream-fight between Jeffries and Liston. Although that would contradict everything i had previously stated.

They thought so much of Jeffries that even after a SIX YEAR LAYOFF they figured he ought to be able to beat Johnson. Who did Jeffries beat? Well he was 7-1-1 against Hall Of Famers, for starters.

Johnson made his name off of guys who wouldn't even be middleweights today and one old, fat, retired 6 year layoff ATG HW. If he wasn't the first black HW champ (huge accomplishment beating a 5'7", 168 lb midget,) and if people didn't overrate his win over Jeffries, no one would have a clue who he was.

And sorry chump, Jeffries beats Johnson, but Foreman annihilates him.

they didnt think much of that fat farmer they only brought him out because no one recognized johnson as the true champ....in fact that was one of his easiest fights....talk about johnson beating smaller guys but jeffries was even bigger....and you cant say he would win in his prime when in 15 rounds he didnt even show a flash of anything significant....he was beat physically and tactically.....hes only a hall of famer because he beat little buggy drivers....

they didnt think much of that fat farmer they only brought him out because no one recognized johnson as the true champ....in fact that was one of his easiest fights....talk about johnson beating smaller guys but jeffries was even bigger....and you cant say he would win in his prime when in 15 rounds he didnt even show a flash of anything significant....he was beat physically and tactically.....hes only a hall of famer because he beat little buggy drivers....

So what you're saying is, Stan Harrington beats prime SRR
Trever Berbick beats prime Ali
Hector Camacho beats prime SRL
Vinny Pazienza beats prime Duran
Kevin McBride beats prime Tyson

based on their fights with the shot versions they faced?:tool:

Think of Jeffries and imagine he was black, you might actually develop an appreciation for him.

So what you're saying is, Stan Harrington beats prime SRR
Trever Berbick beats prime Ali
Hector Camacho beats prime SRL
Vinny Pazienza beats prime Duran
Kevin McBride beats prime Tyson

based on their fights with the shot versions they faced?:tool:

Think of Jeffries and imagine he was black, you might actually develop an appreciation for him.

Anybody who takes to heart anything Billionaire has to say is an idiot, and Im not talking about you Jim. This is a clown who has insisted Joe Calzaghe's resume is better than Ray Leonard's. He's a moron with zero knowledge. ask him to back up his claims and he'll tuck his tail between his legs and cower like a whipped dog.

Jeffries was a freak, and with the existing training in the 70’s he hangs with the best. Easy top 10 heavyweight of all time.

Jeffries was a freak, and with the existing training in the 70’s he hangs with the best. Easy top 10 heavyweight of all time.

No doubt about that.

So what you're saying is, Stan Harrington beats prime SRR
Trever Berbick beats prime Ali
Hector Camacho beats prime SRL
Vinny Pazienza beats prime Duran
Kevin McBride beats prime Tyson

based on their fights with the shot versions they faced?:tool:

Think of Jeffries and imagine he was black, you might actually develop an appreciation for him.

yup i knew sooner or later youd have to fall back and use the race arguement....i could say the same about jack johnson but im smarter than that

oh and none of those fight example works because those faded legends lost to average fighters.......except for camacho

Anybody who takes to heart anything Billionaire has to say is an idiot, and Im not talking about you Jim. This is a clown who has insisted Joe Calzaghe's resume is better than Ray Leonard's. He's a moron with zero knowledge. ask him to back up his claims and he'll tuck his tail between his legs and cower like a whipped dog.

Yeah I'm done wasting my time with that racist clown. The funny part is, he tries to wind my clock with that fat farmer business. That's the only part of any of his posts that has any resemblance to the truth. The ATG HW that was 7-0-1 against HOFers, that could high jump 6 ft, that could run 100 yards in under 11 sec, who was amazingly agile for such a big man (in those days,) who had a jaw of steel and incredible endurance, was long gone when he came back after 6 years without a fight to face Johnson. An old fat farmer was all that was left. Of course if I was Hundredaire, I would give more credit to the only Johnson win of any significance who was over 5'9", or more than 170 lbs.

Yeah I'm done wasting my time with that racist clown. The funny part is, he tries to wind my clock with that fat farmer business. That's the only part of any of his posts that has any resemblance to the truth. The ATG HW that was 7-0-1 against HOFers, that could high jump 6 ft, that could run 100 yards in under 11 sec, who was amazingly agile for such a big man (in those days,) who had a jaw of steel and incredible endurance, was long gone when he came back after 6 years without a fight to face Johnson. An old fat farmer was all that was left. Of course if I was Hundredaire, I would give more credit to the only Johnson win of any significance who was over 5'9", or more than 170 lbs.

Plus he got knocked out by Jess ****ing Willard! Sorry, i just had to throw that in there..........i got love for both Jeffries and Johnson.

Yeah I'm done wasting my time with that racist clown. The funny part is, he tries to wind my clock with that fat farmer business. That's the only part of any of his posts that has any resemblance to the truth. The ATG HW that was 7-0-1 against HOFers, that could high jump 6 ft, that could run 100 yards in under 11 sec, who was amazingly agile for such a big man (in those days,) who had a jaw of steel and incredible endurance, was long gone when he came back after 6 years without a fight to face Johnson. An old fat farmer was all that was left. Of course if I was Hundredaire, I would give more credit to the only Johnson win of any significance who was over 5'9", or more than 170 lbs.

He's actually doing Johnson a disservice by trying to discredit Jeffries. Because ironically, it was beating that old "fat farmer" that made Johnson's legend. His other title opponents were nothing special, with Johnson drawing his own colour line and steering clear of all the quality black heavies. But Jeff was held in such high regard that even six years into retirement he could come back for the biggest fight in history and be given a good chance of winning. Hence Johnson subsequently being immortalised for beating him.

Yeah I'm done wasting my time with that racist clown. The funny part is, he tries to wind my clock with that fat farmer business. That's the only part of any of his posts that has any resemblance to the truth. The ATG HW that was 7-0-1 against HOFers, that could high jump 6 ft, that could run 100 yards in under 11 sec, who was amazingly agile for such a big man (in those days,) who had a jaw of steel and incredible endurance, was long gone when he came back after 6 years without a fight to face Johnson. An old fat farmer was all that was left. Of course if I was Hundredaire, I would give more credit to the only Johnson win of any significance who was over 5'9", or more than 170 lbs.

all those personal attacks.....so angry.....you must be really hurt....jaws of steel dont get knocked down 6 times....and what does high jumping have to do with boxing....i guess sergei bubka could ko king kong....cry me a river

all those personal attacks.....so angry.....you must be really hurt....jaws of steel dont get knocked down 6 times....and what does high jumping have to do with boxing....i guess sergei bubka could ko king kong....cry me a river

And intelligent posters don't put much stock into how a fighter fought an all time great after being retired for 6 years.

This would be like me calling Johnson a bum because he lost to Jess Willard.

Smarten up already.

They thought so much of Jeffries that even after a SIX YEAR LAYOFF they figured he ought to be able to beat Johnson. Who did Jeffries beat? Well he was 7-1-1 against Hall Of Famers, for starters.

Johnson made his name off of guys who wouldn't even be middleweights today and one old, fat, retired 6 year layoff ATG HW. If he wasn't the first black HW champ (huge accomplishment beating a 5'7", 168 lb midget,) and if people didn't overrate his win over Jeffries, no one would have a clue who he was.

And sorry chump, Jeffries beats Johnson, but Foreman annihilates him.

Who the hell did Jeffries ever beat that wasnt considered a small heavyweight? His biggest wins came over much smaller fighters ignoramous. pounds? And taking punishment doesnt make you great it's a called a poor defense. And no, jeffries does not deserve credit for the Peter Jackson fight. Your agenda and love for white heavyweights and disdain for black ones is obvious. And Foreman beat better heavyweights than Jeffries ever fought so don't compare the two. :tool:

Who the hell did Jeffries ever beat that wasnt considered a small heavyweight? His biggest wins came over much smaller fighters ignoramous. pounds? And taking punishment doesnt make you great it's a called a poor defense. And no, jeffries does not deserve credit for the Peter Jackson fight. Your agenda and love for white heavyweights and disdain for black ones is obvious. And Foreman beat better heavyweights than Jeffries ever fought so don't compare the two. :tool:

If this is going to turn into a race war then prehaps y'all ought to take it outside.

Poet

Who the hell did Jeffries ever beat that wasnt considered a small heavyweight? :tool:

** Joey, come now, this bitterness will consume you. Where's the love for boxing and your fellow man?

Jeff was big man and as such suffered from Big Man's syndrome where everyone is percieved as smaller than him, thus he the bully. Jim Corbett and Peter Jackson were the prototype heavyweight sized boxers that stayed consistent all the way into the early 80s, 6-1, 190lbs. I believe Hank Griffin, Goddard was also near this size.

Bob Armstrong was 6-3, 190, young CClay sized, and Ruhlin was prime Cleve Williams sized. Sailor Tom Sharkey was a bigger framed man than Floyd Patterson, Cooper, and such. Yes, Choynski and Fitz were modern supermids, but Jeff was but a mere lad when fighting the still dangerous Choynski, and he couldn't win a title without fighting Fitz who put up a big scrap, so he gave Fitz a rematch. What's not to like?

You don't have to like Jeff as a fighter, but no need to disprespect his humanity or his win over Jackson. We know Jackson was 6yrs rusty and perhaps in poor health by then, but Jeff was only 5-0-2 going into the bout against a ring legend. Jackson figured his class and experience could easily handle some crude kid. At least Jeff takes care of the biz in short order, 3 rds, compared to Johnson who needed 15 rds against Jeff.

It's not like Jeffries's supporters always pull out the Jackson fight as proof positive of his credentials. Like all fights, it was a fight of opportune circumstances for both.

Step thee away from the bitter bile and enjoy some sunshine.

[QUOTE=LondonRingRules;4890074]** Joey, come now, this bitterness will consume you. Where's the love for boxing and your fellow man?


I'm not bitter at all. I have no love for ignorance. Especially Jim Jeffries and his bigoted agenda. The "only reason Johnson is respected is because he was the first black heavyweight champion." Sorry, I could let that slide.




Jeff was big man and as such suffered from Big Man's syndrome where everyone is percieved as smaller than him, thus he the bully. Jim Corbett and Peter Jackson were the prototype heavyweight sized boxers that stayed consistent all the way into the early 80s, 6-1, 190lbs. I believe Hank Griffin, Goddard was also near this size.

Bob Armstrong was 6-3, 190, young CClay sized,


Armstrong was no "clay" by a longshot. Check out his record.

and Ruhlin was prime Cleve Williams sized. Sailor Tom Sharkey was a bigger framed man than Floyd Patterson, Cooper, and such. Yes, Choynski and Fitz were modern supermids, but Jeff was but a mere lad when fighting the still dangerous Choynski, and he couldn't win a title without fighting Fitz who put up a big scrap, so he gave Fitz a rematch. What's not to like?


Ok, then why the double standard for who Johnson had to fight? And lets not forget that Jeffries clearly ducked Johnson and only came back to "represent the white race" His little cheerleader and Jeffries wannabe is the one who is bitter about the whipping Johnson put on him. Jeffries also admitted later that he NEVER could have beaten Johnson. How about that?

You don't have to like Jeff as a fighter,
I have nothing against him. I just don't like people making him something that he wasnt because they like his complexion.

but no need to disprespect his humanity or his win over Jackson. We know Jackson was 6yrs rusty and perhaps in poor health by then, but Jeff was only 5-0-2 going into the bout against a ring legend. Jackson figured his class and experience could easily handle some crude kid. At least Jeff takes care of the biz in short order, 3 rds, compared to Johnson who needed 15 rds against Jeff.

Please. Johnson punished Jeffries who needed ringside police to stop the fight. They even stopped filming the fallen "hero" getting KO'd.



It's not like Jeffries's supporters always pull out the Jackson fight as proof positive of his credentials.

Some have. But you're right. Most are too intelligent to say something that ignorant.

Who the hell did Jeffries ever beat that wasnt considered a small heavyweight? His biggest wins came over much smaller fighters ignoramous. pounds? And taking punishment doesnt make you great it's a called a poor defense. And no, jeffries does not deserve credit for the Peter Jackson fight. Your agenda and love for white heavyweights and disdain for black ones is obvious. And Foreman beat better heavyweights than Jeffries ever fought so don't compare the two. :tool:im with my man Joseph on this one. Nothing against Jim Jeffries the fighter, but Jim Jeffries the poster is a total racist tard. Lol he puts Jeffries onto a hot seat when really the only hilite victories on his record are over an old James Corbett (who was beating the **** out of him both times before the ko came), and the mediocre Tom Sharkey.

and if this idiot wants to throw in the name Fitzsimmons there, how about using his own arguement and noting that Fits was barely a light heavy climbing into the ring.

The only meaningfull fight he had in his entire career against another great was against Johnson after a lay off. But we all know why Jeffries made a return, no need to go there. and all of us know how it ended. Jim should have stayed at his alfalfa farm lol

Lol that punk gives me red k just about every other week because his brain is not intelligent enough to provide sensible feedback. Dont worry Jeffries i aint giving you red, i forgot how to give out karma on this site a long time ago.

Some nice pics of Jeffries:

http://memory.loc.gov/ndlpcoop/ichicdn/s0030/s003011.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/ndlpcoop/ichicdn/s0030/s003004.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/ndlpcoop/ichicdn/s0073/s007347.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/ndlpcoop/ichicdn/s0547/s054703.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/ndlpcoop/ichicdn/s0073/s007354.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/ndlpcoop/ichicdn/s0030/s003007.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/ndlpcoop/ichicdn/s0549/s054939.jpg


This last one is from 1927:

http://memory.loc.gov/ndlpcoop/ichicdn/s0667/s066782.jpg