By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | November 11, 2004

YASSER ARAFAT died at age 75, lying in bed surrounded by familiar faces. He left this world peacefully, unlike the thousands of victims he sent to early graves.


In a better world, the PLO chief would have met his end on a gallows, hanged for mass murder much as the Nazi chiefs were hanged at Nuremberg. In a better world, the French president would not have paid a visit to the bedside of such a monster. In a better world, George Bush would not have said, on hearing the first reports that Arafat had died, "God bless his soul."

God bless his soul? What a grotesque idea! Bless the soul of the man who brought modern terrorism to the world? Who sent his agents to slaughter athletes at the Olympics, blow airliners out of the sky, bomb schools and pizzerias, machine-gun passengers in airline terminals? Who lied, cheated, and stole without compunction? Who inculcated the vilest culture of Jew-hatred since the Third Reich? Human beings might stoop to bless a creature so evil -- as indeed Arafat was blessed, with money, deference, even a Nobel Prize -- but God, I am quite sure, will damn him for eternity.

Arafat always inspired flights of nonsense from Western journalists, and his last two weeks were no exception.

Derek Brown wrote in The Guardian that Arafat's "undisputed courage as a guerrilla leader" was exceeded only "by his extraordinary courage" as a peace negotiator. But it is an odd kind of courage that expresses itself in shooting unarmed victims -- or in signing peace accords and then flagrantly violating their terms.

Another commentator, columnist Gwynne Dyer, asked, "So what did Arafat do right?" The answer: He drew worldwide attention to the Palestinian cause, "for the most part by successful acts of terror." In other words, butchering innocent human beings was "right," since it served an ulterior political motive. No doubt that thought brings daily comfort to all those who were forced to bury a child, parent, or spouse because of Arafat's "successful" terrorism.

Some journalists couldn't wait for Arafat's actual death to begin weeping for him. Take the BBC's Barbara Plett, who burst into tears on the day he was airlifted out of the West Bank. "When the helicopter carrying the frail old man rose above his ruined compound," Plett reported from Ramallah, "I started to cry." Normal people don't weep for brutal murderers, but Plett made it clear that her empathy for Arafat -- whom she praised as "a symbol of Palestinian unity, steadfastness, and resistance" -- was heartfelt:

"I remember well when the Israelis re-conquered the West Bank more than two years ago, how they drove their tanks and bulldozers into Mr. Arafat's headquarters, trapping him in a few rooms, and throwing a military curtain around Ramallah. I remember how Palestinians admired his refusal to flee under fire. They told me: `Our leader is sharing our pain, we are all under the same siege.' And so was I." Such is the state of journalism at the BBC, whose reporters do not seem to have any trouble reporting, dry-eyed, on the plight of Arafat's victims. (That is, when they mention them -- which Plett's teary bon voyage to Arafat did not.)

And what about those victims? Why were they scarcely remembered in this Arafat death watch?

How is it possible to reflect on Arafat's most enduring legacy -- the rise of modern terrorism -- without recalling the legions of men, women, and children whose lives he and his followers destroyed? If Osama bin Laden were on his deathbed, would we neglect to mention all those he murdered on 9/11?

It would take an encyclopedia to catalog all of the evil Arafat committed. But that is no excuse for not trying to recall at least some of it.

Perhaps his signal contribution to the practice of political terror was the introduction of warfare against children. On one black date in May 1974, three PLO terrorists slipped from Lebanon into the northern Israeli town of Ma'alot. They murdered two parents and a child whom they found at home, then seized a local school, taking more than 100 boys and girls hostage and threatening to kill them unless a number of imprisoned terrorists were released. When Israeli troops attempted a rescue, the terrorists exploded hand grenades and opened fire on the students. By the time the horror ended, 25 people were dead; 21 of them were children.

Thirty years later, no one speaks of Ma'alot anymore. The dead children have been forgotten. Everyone knows Arafat's name, but who ever recalls the names of his victims?

So let us recall them: Ilana Turgeman. Rachel Aputa. Yocheved Mazoz. Sarah Ben-Shim'on. Yona Sabag. Yafa Cohen. Shoshana Cohen. Michal Sitrok. Malka Amrosy. Aviva Saada. Yocheved Diyi. Yaakov Levi. Yaakov Kabla. Rina Cohen. Ilana Ne'eman. Sarah Madar. Tamar Dahan. Sarah Soper. Lili Morad. David Madar. Yehudit Madar. The 21 dead children of Ma'alot -- 21 of the thousands of who died at Arafat's command.

Jeff Jacoby's e-mail address is jacoby@globe.com.

© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.

By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | November 11, 2004

YASSER ARAFAT died at age 75, lying in bed surrounded by familiar faces. He left this world peacefully, unlike the thousands of victims he sent to early graves.


In a better world, the PLO chief would have met his end on a gallows, hanged for mass murder much as the Nazi chiefs were hanged at Nuremberg. In a better world, the French president would not have paid a visit to the bedside of such a monster. In a better world, George Bush would not have said, on hearing the first reports that Arafat had died, "God bless his soul."

God bless his soul? What a grotesque idea! Bless the soul of the man who brought modern terrorism to the world? Who sent his agents to slaughter athletes at the Olympics, blow airliners out of the sky, bomb schools and pizzerias, machine-gun passengers in airline terminals? Who lied, cheated, and stole without compunction? Who inculcated the vilest culture of Jew-hatred since the Third Reich? Human beings might stoop to bless a creature so evil -- as indeed Arafat was blessed, with money, deference, even a Nobel Prize -- but God, I am quite sure, will damn him for eternity.

Arafat always inspired flights of nonsense from Western journalists, and his last two weeks were no exception.

Derek Brown wrote in The Guardian that Arafat's "undisputed courage as a guerrilla leader" was exceeded only "by his extraordinary courage" as a peace negotiator. But it is an odd kind of courage that expresses itself in shooting unarmed victims -- or in signing peace accords and then flagrantly violating their terms.

Another commentator, columnist Gwynne Dyer, asked, "So what did Arafat do right?" The answer: He drew worldwide attention to the Palestinian cause, "for the most part by successful acts of terror." In other words, butchering innocent human beings was "right," since it served an ulterior political motive. No doubt that thought brings daily comfort to all those who were forced to bury a child, parent, or spouse because of Arafat's "successful" terrorism.

Some journalists couldn't wait for Arafat's actual death to begin weeping for him. Take the BBC's Barbara Plett, who burst into tears on the day he was airlifted out of the West Bank. "When the helicopter carrying the frail old man rose above his ruined compound," Plett reported from Ramallah, "I started to cry." Normal people don't weep for brutal murderers, but Plett made it clear that her empathy for Arafat -- whom she praised as "a symbol of Palestinian unity, steadfastness, and resistance" -- was heartfelt:

"I remember well when the Israelis re-conquered the West Bank more than two years ago, how they drove their tanks and bulldozers into Mr. Arafat's headquarters, trapping him in a few rooms, and throwing a military curtain around Ramallah. I remember how Palestinians admired his refusal to flee under fire. They told me: `Our leader is sharing our pain, we are all under the same siege.' And so was I." Such is the state of journalism at the BBC, whose reporters do not seem to have any trouble reporting, dry-eyed, on the plight of Arafat's victims. (That is, when they mention them -- which Plett's teary bon voyage to Arafat did not.)

And what about those victims? Why were they scarcely remembered in this Arafat death watch?

How is it possible to reflect on Arafat's most enduring legacy -- the rise of modern terrorism -- without recalling the legions of men, women, and children whose lives he and his followers destroyed? If Osama bin Laden were on his deathbed, would we neglect to mention all those he murdered on 9/11?

It would take an encyclopedia to catalog all of the evil Arafat committed. But that is no excuse for not trying to recall at least some of it.

Perhaps his signal contribution to the practice of political terror was the introduction of warfare against children. On one black date in May 1974, three PLO terrorists slipped from Lebanon into the northern Israeli town of Ma'alot. They murdered two parents and a child whom they found at home, then seized a local school, taking more than 100 boys and girls hostage and threatening to kill them unless a number of imprisoned terrorists were released. When Israeli troops attempted a rescue, the terrorists exploded hand grenades and opened fire on the students. By the time the horror ended, 25 people were dead; 21 of them were children.

Thirty years later, no one speaks of Ma'alot anymore. The dead children have been forgotten. Everyone knows Arafat's name, but who ever recalls the names of his victims?

So let us recall them: Ilana Turgeman. Rachel Aputa. Yocheved Mazoz. Sarah Ben-Shim'on. Yona Sabag. Yafa Cohen. Shoshana Cohen. Michal Sitrok. Malka Amrosy. Aviva Saada. Yocheved Diyi. Yaakov Levi. Yaakov Kabla. Rina Cohen. Ilana Ne'eman. Sarah Madar. Tamar Dahan. Sarah Soper. Lili Morad. David Madar. Yehudit Madar. The 21 dead children of Ma'alot -- 21 of the thousands of who died at Arafat's command.

Jeff Jacoby's e-mail address is jacoby@globe.com.

© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.



....Yeah, nothing redeeming about the guy at all. Seeing the French decked out in full military attire while carrying the casket made me wanna puke. Treating him like some beloved dignitary and father figure to the world. What a frickin joke!!!

**** its about time jew and arabs get over it, b4 they run each other out of extinction.

Well firstly, I can see the above article's relevance to some of the things arafat committed. However you cannot doubt his courage to take the palestine people who were at one stage no better than refugees and turn them into a people with rights. It's easy to see that this was not another Saddam Hussein, the Palestinians loved this man, as you can see from the outpouring of grief happening now. He is accredited as being the "Father of Palestine". For years, Israel has simply been bullying the Palestinians to no end and stealing their land, which they continue to do today. The wall which they've constructed to separate the palestinians from Israli's is frighteningly just like the one the Nazis built for the jews. There are checkpoints everywhere with Israeli guards and those Palestinians who want to go into town have to stand in line for hours on end just to go about their daily lives. They are treated like sheep or cattle rather than people. I can tell you that if I had to do this everyday, my frustration and hate for the Israeli's would also build. How western society and the rest of the world can watch on while these people are treated in this way, I'll never know. All I know is that there is only so much a person can take.

One thing you cannot deny is Arafat's love for his people and vice versa. He will always live in their hearts, that is easy to see for anyone. His methods were certainly brutal, and I by no means condone them AT ALL, but I can see why there is so much hatred within these people. It's like, someone screaming for help right in front of you and people are just walking right on by. So, I guess another way to put it is that it is always wise to remember that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Just my opinion.

Peace.

....Yeah, nothing redeeming about the guy at all. Seeing the French decked out in full military attire while carrying the casket made me wanna puke. Treating him like some beloved dignitary and father figure to the world. What a frickin joke!!!


dude , yasser arafat was democraticly elected by the palestinian people , which makes him a legitimate and official leader .

he has been treated due to his rank , and that all in my country honor.

i don t like him , but sayin he is a murderer , why dont you say so about ARIEL SHARON ? he killed his share of people and his suspected to be the mind behind chabra and chatila (mass murders of defenseless palestinians by chatolic phalangists in lebanon).

sharon has killed more people than arafat.

to be honest , both were defending their people ,so why one is a leader and the other a terrorist ?

maybe cause history is wrote by winners ?

Well firstly, I can see the above article's relevance to some of the things arafat committed. However you cannot doubt his courage to take the palestine people who were at one stage no better than refugees and turn them into a people with rights. It's easy to see that this was not another Saddam Hussein, the Palestinians loved this man, as you can see from the outpouring of grief happening now. He is accredited as being the "Father of Palestine". For years, Israel has simply been bullying the Palestinians to no end and stealing their land, which they continue to do today. The wall which they've constructed to separate the palestinians from Israli's is frighteningly just like the one the Nazis built for the jews. There are checkpoints everywhere with Israeli guards and those Palestinians who want to go into town have to stand in line for hours on end just to go about their daily lives. They are treated like sheep or cattle rather than people. I can tell you that if I had to do this everyday, my frustration and hate for the Israeli's would also build. How western society and the rest of the world can watch on while these people are treated in this way, I'll never know. All I know is that there is only so much a person can take.

One thing you cannot deny is Arafat's love for his people and vice versa. He will always live in their hearts, that is easy to see for anyone. His methods were certainly brutal, and I by no means condone them AT ALL, but I can see why there is so much hatred within these people. It's like, someone screaming for help right in front of you and people are just walking right on by. So, I guess another way to put it is that it is always wise to remember that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Just my opinion.

Peace.
excellent post

dude , yasser arafat was democraticly elected by the palestinian people , which makes him a legitimate and official leader .

he has been treated due to his rank , and that all in my country honor.

i don t like him , but sayin he is a murderer , why dont you say so about ARIEL SHARON ? he killed his share of people and his suspected to be the mind behind chabra and chatila (mass murders of defenseless palestinians by chatolic phalangists in lebanon).

sharon has killed more people than arafat.

to be honest , both were defending their people ,so why one is a leader and the other a terrorist ?

maybe cause history is wrote by winners ?
excellent post

americans are so ignorant about palestine

The only way there is gonna be peace over there is if the jews and arabs get tired of killing eachother. Obviously it hasn't happened yet.

If we hadn't given Israel nukes, I would say we should sit the whole thing out until it happens. But left on their own, guess what Israel is going to do? "We'll meet again.....someday"

By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | November 11, 2004

YASSER ARAFAT died at age 75, lying in bed surrounded by familiar faces. He left this world peacefully, unlike the thousands of victims he sent to early graves.


In a better world, the PLO chief would have met his end on a gallows, hanged for mass murder much as the Nazi chiefs were hanged at Nuremberg. In a better world, the French president would not have paid a visit to the bedside of such a monster. In a better world, George Bush would not have said, on hearing the first reports that Arafat had died, "God bless his soul."

God bless his soul? What a grotesque idea! Bless the soul of the man who brought modern terrorism to the world? Who sent his agents to slaughter athletes at the Olympics, blow airliners out of the sky, bomb schools and pizzerias, machine-gun passengers in airline terminals? Who lied, cheated, and stole without compunction? Who inculcated the vilest culture of Jew-hatred since the Third Reich? Human beings might stoop to bless a creature so evil -- as indeed Arafat was blessed, with money, deference, even a Nobel Prize -- but God, I am quite sure, will damn him for eternity.

Arafat always inspired flights of nonsense from Western journalists, and his last two weeks were no exception.

Derek Brown wrote in The Guardian that Arafat's "undisputed courage as a guerrilla leader" was exceeded only "by his extraordinary courage" as a peace negotiator. But it is an odd kind of courage that expresses itself in shooting unarmed victims -- or in signing peace accords and then flagrantly violating their terms.

Another commentator, columnist Gwynne Dyer, asked, "So what did Arafat do right?" The answer: He drew worldwide attention to the Palestinian cause, "for the most part by successful acts of terror." In other words, butchering innocent human beings was "right," since it served an ulterior political motive. No doubt that thought brings daily comfort to all those who were forced to bury a child, parent, or spouse because of Arafat's "successful" terrorism.

Some journalists couldn't wait for Arafat's actual death to begin weeping for him. Take the BBC's Barbara Plett, who burst into tears on the day he was airlifted out of the West Bank. "When the helicopter carrying the frail old man rose above his ruined compound," Plett reported from Ramallah, "I started to cry." Normal people don't weep for brutal murderers, but Plett made it clear that her empathy for Arafat -- whom she praised as "a symbol of Palestinian unity, steadfastness, and resistance" -- was heartfelt:

"I remember well when the Israelis re-conquered the West Bank more than two years ago, how they drove their tanks and bulldozers into Mr. Arafat's headquarters, trapping him in a few rooms, and throwing a military curtain around Ramallah. I remember how Palestinians admired his refusal to flee under fire. They told me: `Our leader is sharing our pain, we are all under the same siege.' And so was I." Such is the state of journalism at the BBC, whose reporters do not seem to have any trouble reporting, dry-eyed, on the plight of Arafat's victims. (That is, when they mention them -- which Plett's teary bon voyage to Arafat did not.)

And what about those victims? Why were they scarcely remembered in this Arafat death watch?

How is it possible to reflect on Arafat's most enduring legacy -- the rise of modern terrorism -- without recalling the legions of men, women, and children whose lives he and his followers destroyed? If Osama bin Laden were on his deathbed, would we neglect to mention all those he murdered on 9/11?

It would take an encyclopedia to catalog all of the evil Arafat committed. But that is no excuse for not trying to recall at least some of it.

Perhaps his signal contribution to the practice of political terror was the introduction of warfare against children. On one black date in May 1974, three PLO terrorists slipped from Lebanon into the northern Israeli town of Ma'alot. They murdered two parents and a child whom they found at home, then seized a local school, taking more than 100 boys and girls hostage and threatening to kill them unless a number of imprisoned terrorists were released. When Israeli troops attempted a rescue, the terrorists exploded hand grenades and opened fire on the students. By the time the horror ended, 25 people were dead; 21 of them were children.

Thirty years later, no one speaks of Ma'alot anymore. The dead children have been forgotten. Everyone knows Arafat's name, but who ever recalls the names of his victims?

So let us recall them: Ilana Turgeman. Rachel Aputa. Yocheved Mazoz. Sarah Ben-Shim'on. Yona Sabag. Yafa Cohen. Shoshana Cohen. Michal Sitrok. Malka Amrosy. Aviva Saada. Yocheved Diyi. Yaakov Levi. Yaakov Kabla. Rina Cohen. Ilana Ne'eman. Sarah Madar. Tamar Dahan. Sarah Soper. Lili Morad. David Madar. Yehudit Madar. The 21 dead children of Ma'alot -- 21 of the thousands of who died at Arafat's command.

Jeff Jacoby's e-mail address is jacoby@globe.com.

© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.
Bro at first I was gonna respond with all kinds of sh*t , but all I'm gonna say is your STUPID(then again your from San Diego), check your f**kin' facts and read some f**kin' history . I don't see Arafat's "army" with F-16's.

rsl

good point. He has suicide bombers. Oh he is soooooooo courageous.

By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | November 11, 2004

YASSER ARAFAT died at age 75, lying in bed surrounded by familiar faces. He left this world peacefully, unlike the thousands of victims he sent to early graves.


In a better world, the PLO chief would have met his end on a gallows, hanged for mass murder much as the Nazi chiefs were hanged at Nuremberg. In a better world, the French president would not have paid a visit to the bedside of such a monster. In a better world, George Bush would not have said, on hearing the first reports that Arafat had died, "God bless his soul."

God bless his soul? What a grotesque idea! Bless the soul of the man who brought modern terrorism to the world? Who sent his agents to slaughter athletes at the Olympics, blow airliners out of the sky, bomb schools and pizzerias, machine-gun passengers in airline terminals? Who lied, cheated, and stole without compunction? Who inculcated the vilest culture of Jew-hatred since the Third Reich? Human beings might stoop to bless a creature so evil -- as indeed Arafat was blessed, with money, deference, even a Nobel Prize -- but God, I am quite sure, will damn him for eternity.

Arafat always inspired flights of nonsense from Western journalists, and his last two weeks were no exception.

Derek Brown wrote in The Guardian that Arafat's "undisputed courage as a guerrilla leader" was exceeded only "by his extraordinary courage" as a peace negotiator. But it is an odd kind of courage that expresses itself in shooting unarmed victims -- or in signing peace accords and then flagrantly violating their terms.

Another commentator, columnist Gwynne Dyer, asked, "So what did Arafat do right?" The answer: He drew worldwide attention to the Palestinian cause, "for the most part by successful acts of terror." In other words, butchering innocent human beings was "right," since it served an ulterior political motive. No doubt that thought brings daily comfort to all those who were forced to bury a child, parent, or spouse because of Arafat's "successful" terrorism.

Some journalists couldn't wait for Arafat's actual death to begin weeping for him. Take the BBC's Barbara Plett, who burst into tears on the day he was airlifted out of the West Bank. "When the helicopter carrying the frail old man rose above his ruined compound," Plett reported from Ramallah, "I started to cry." Normal people don't weep for brutal murderers, but Plett made it clear that her empathy for Arafat -- whom she praised as "a symbol of Palestinian unity, steadfastness, and resistance" -- was heartfelt:

"I remember well when the Israelis re-conquered the West Bank more than two years ago, how they drove their tanks and bulldozers into Mr. Arafat's headquarters, trapping him in a few rooms, and throwing a military curtain around Ramallah. I remember how Palestinians admired his refusal to flee under fire. They told me: `Our leader is sharing our pain, we are all under the same siege.' And so was I." Such is the state of journalism at the BBC, whose reporters do not seem to have any trouble reporting, dry-eyed, on the plight of Arafat's victims. (That is, when they mention them -- which Plett's teary bon voyage to Arafat did not.)

And what about those victims? Why were they scarcely remembered in this Arafat death watch?

How is it possible to reflect on Arafat's most enduring legacy -- the rise of modern terrorism -- without recalling the legions of men, women, and children whose lives he and his followers destroyed? If Osama bin Laden were on his deathbed, would we neglect to mention all those he murdered on 9/11?

It would take an encyclopedia to catalog all of the evil Arafat committed. But that is no excuse for not trying to recall at least some of it.

Perhaps his signal contribution to the practice of political terror was the introduction of warfare against children. On one black date in May 1974, three PLO terrorists slipped from Lebanon into the northern Israeli town of Ma'alot. They murdered two parents and a child whom they found at home, then seized a local school, taking more than 100 boys and girls hostage and threatening to kill them unless a number of imprisoned terrorists were released. When Israeli troops attempted a rescue, the terrorists exploded hand grenades and opened fire on the students. By the time the horror ended, 25 people were dead; 21 of them were children.

Thirty years later, no one speaks of Ma'alot anymore. The dead children have been forgotten. Everyone knows Arafat's name, but who ever recalls the names of his victims?

So let us recall them: Ilana Turgeman. Rachel Aputa. Yocheved Mazoz. Sarah Ben-Shim'on. Yona Sabag. Yafa Cohen. Shoshana Cohen. Michal Sitrok. Malka Amrosy. Aviva Saada. Yocheved Diyi. Yaakov Levi. Yaakov Kabla. Rina Cohen. Ilana Ne'eman. Sarah Madar. Tamar Dahan. Sarah Soper. Lili Morad. David Madar. Yehudit Madar. The 21 dead children of Ma'alot -- 21 of the thousands of who died at Arafat's command.

Jeff Jacoby's e-mail address is jacoby@globe.com.

© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.

Excellent post. Western Europeans and liberal elitists are so ignorant about Palestine.

excellent post

americans are so ignorant about palestine



...written by willy the brit

The only way there is gonna be peace over there is if the jews and arabs get tired of killing eachother. Obviously it hasn't happened yet.

If we hadn't given Israel nukes, I would say we should sit the whole thing out until it happens. But left on their own, guess what Israel is going to do? "We'll meet again.....someday"


...We should have let the Israeli's nuke Iraq back when they launched the scuds and we should have turned them loose fully on Iran when they took out their reactor. Turning the entire middle east into a sand heap would be a darn good start to world peace. We shold look the othe way and let Israel take out millions and millions of whacked out extremists.

...We should have let the Israeli's nuke Iraq back when they launched the scuds and we should have turned them loose fully on Iran when they took out their reactor. Turning the entire middle east into a sand heap would be a darn good start to world peace. We shold look the othe way and let Israel take out millions and millions of whacked out extremists.

The whole area is ****ed up, I know what you mean. but like it or not, there WAS things Israel could have done differently and there were things the United States could have done differently. We are partially to blame for what has happened. I don't think that it is justified to commit genocide (which is what nuking the place would be). The problems need to be fixed.

If the Evil Empire ceases its policies, the bombings would cease. Just because one nut job loses his mind to detonate a bomb, you dont strip all citizens of the state of their humanity.

If Arafat is a terrorist, then so is Ariel Sharon. The only difference is that Sharon is supported and provided his weapons to subjugate an kill Palestinians by the US government.

...We should have let the Israeli's nuke Iraq back when they launched the scuds and we should have turned them loose fully on Iran when they took out their reactor. Turning the entire middle east into a sand heap would be a darn good start to world peace. We shold look the othe way and let Israel take out millions and millions of whacked out extremists.

Trust me, the world has been looking the other way for a long time now, and if it continues then millions WILL die. What bothers me is that, if America can go to war with Iraq to give its citizens freedom then why should it not do the same for Palestine. The more these people suffer, the longer the terror will go on. I think its time we did something.

Trust me, the world has been looking the other way for a long time now, and if it continues then millions WILL die. What bothers me is that, if America can go to war with Iraq to give its citizens freedom then why should it not do the same for Palestine. The more these people suffer, the longer the terror will go on. I think its time we did something.

Uh sorry, but North Korea should be next on the list if that is our policy. THOSE people have been suffering far worse for far longer.

Trust me, the world has been looking the other way for a long time now, and if it continues then millions WILL die. What bothers me is that, if America can go to war with Iraq to give its citizens freedom then why should it not do the same for Palestine. The more these people suffer, the longer the terror will go on. I think its time we did something.


....What exactly would you have us do?? Those people have been fighting for a thousand years and they will continue to fight regardless of what we do. There will never be peace in the middle east!!! "write it down".

If the Evil Empire ceases its policies, the bombings would cease. Just because one nut job loses his mind to detonate a bomb, you dont strip all citizens of the state of their humanity.

If Arafat is a terrorist, then so is Ariel Sharon. The only difference is that Sharon is supported and provided his weapons to subjugate an kill Palestinians by the US government.


..."the evil empire" spoken like a true fat **** foreigner.

....What exactly would you have us do?? Those people have been fighting for a thousand years and they will continue to fight regardless of what we do. There will never be peace in the middle east!!! "write it down".

BINGO.

People have ALWAYS fought there.

"All we're bringing is hard dick and bubble gum. And we're fresh out of bubble gum!" -- legendary coach Tom Osbourne before national championship win over Florida in the Fiesta Bowl.


.....BTW short dick willy, Tom Osborne would have never said anything like your quote. Your quoting the wrong person.

Uh sorry, but North Korea should be next on the list if that is our policy. THOSE people have been suffering far worse for far longer.

That's a good point. What I guess I'm trying to get at is that the leaders of the world should try to do something about the injustices that are going on in the world. I mean, if they have the power, then why don't they wield that power for the good of mankind? Now, I'm not saying go in and start wars with every country that has it's problems but they should not turn a blind eye to these things. That's where diplomacy comes in.

Nothing pisses me off more than where people abuse their power. This should not be allowed to go on.

....What exactly would you have us do?? Those people have been fighting for a thousand years and they will continue to fight regardless of what we do. There will never be peace in the middle east!!! "write it down".

So there has been fighting in the middle east for a long time...what would you have us do? Just give up on them? Let them wipe eachother out like someone earlier suggested?

You're crazy if you think that's the best policy, that's for sure. Think of how far South Africa has come in the past century or so...that's what can happen through persistence. I'm not saying South Africa is a bloody utopia but it has come a long way. That's why Nelson Mandela is regarded as probably the greatest leader the world has ever seen. It's because of his compassion and the fact that he's seen where injustice has been done and tried to fix it.

Put yourself in their shoes. If you went through what they're going through wouldn't you want someone to standup and take notice of your plight?

If the Evil Empire ceases its policies, the bombings would cease. Just because one nut job loses his mind to detonate a bomb, you dont strip all citizens of the state of their humanity.

If Arafat is a terrorist, then so is Ariel Sharon. The only difference is that Sharon is supported and provided his weapons to subjugate an kill Palestinians by the US government.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative24.jpg

rsl

good point. He has suicide bombers. Oh he is soooooooo courageous. Great another idiot to pound on. First off I don't agree w/ either side in the ways they are dealing or not dealing with the real problem(s). One question does anybody have any factual evidence that Arafat was behind some or all the suicide bombings when he was around if so I strongly suggest that you contact your local authorities so they can put you through the president and tell 'em what you know so you can save the world. Geez if we keep cutting back on our schools so we can make some more weapons of mass destruction because its really not enough to stop suicide bombers and at the same time make our own people even dumber than they are now.

[QUOTE=Neuraxis]http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative24.jpg[/QU Wow this thread is getting better and better a retard calling someone else a retard, What's the matter, got turned down by your little sister for the 2nd night in a row

Yeah, this is going to be as exciting as in the PC game RED ALERT: GENERALS!

On war my point is, we have to take a stand! War no matter what the ill-effect is, will always begin from conflict of interest! Like Arafat, everybody here has a tendency to be violent in order to defend their right to freedom and that includes their people and families! If we were on the same shoes as them, we would still do the same and these are the choices we have to make, either we FLEE or we FIGHT to survive! Arafat chose to FIGHT AND DEFEND however which way he wanted it!

Arafat is certainly no monster. In terms of humanity he was miles ahead of Ariel Scharon who's responsible for the death of thousands unguilty people during his time in the military. Arafat didn't order terrorist attacks on Israel. He was the legitmate leader of a nation who's land and rights have been stolen.

If everyone would found a state on land that belonged to him 2000 years ago Italy would rule most of Europe and the Indians would push you out of the USA. And the land that has been conquered by the Isrealis during the war around 1962 has never been given back either. You can't just throw people out of their own land.

The Isrealis haven't understood that taking an eye for an eye only leaves the whole world blind. They're fighting a war of injustice and ignorance. That this is nothing new and totally acceptable for some americans doesn't surprise me at all.

And everytime you critisize Isreal you're being threated like a Antisemit because people don't understand that there's a difference between a religion and a nation. I would critisize any other country acting like this the same way.

And it's not like all Isrealis are supporting the way their governement handles the situation. The major goal of any democracy should be peace and acceptable living standards for anyone. The Isrealis aren't far from repeating their own history with changed roles.

I'm sorry for my english in this case cause I couldn't express anything the way I wanted. Hopefully nobody's misunderstanding what I wrote. If there are any questions feel free to ask before you judge. Thx. :)

Well firstly, I can see the above article's relevance to some of the things arafat committed. However you cannot doubt his courage to take the palestine people who were at one stage no better than refugees and turn them into a people with rights. It's easy to see that this was not another Saddam Hussein, the Palestinians loved this man, as you can see from the outpouring of grief happening now. He is accredited as being the "Father of Palestine". For years, Israel has simply been bullying the Palestinians to no end and stealing their land, which they continue to do today. The wall which they've constructed to separate the palestinians from Israli's is frighteningly just like the one the Nazis built for the jews. There are checkpoints everywhere with Israeli guards and those Palestinians who want to go into town have to stand in line for hours on end just to go about their daily lives. They are treated like sheep or cattle rather than people. I can tell you that if I had to do this everyday, my frustration and hate for the Israeli's would also build. How western society and the rest of the world can watch on while these people are treated in this way, I'll never know. All I know is that there is only so much a person can take.

One thing you cannot deny is Arafat's love for his people and vice versa. He will always live in their hearts, that is easy to see for anyone. His methods were certainly brutal, and I by no means condone them AT ALL, but I can see why there is so much hatred within these people. It's like, someone screaming for help right in front of you and people are just walking right on by. So, I guess another way to put it is that it is always wise to remember that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Just my opinion.

Peace.

No he's not a Saddam in the way that his people liked him while many of Saddam's people despised him. Saddam murdered his own people, while Arafat condoned the murder of innocent Israelis. Saddam and Arafat are similar when you talk about them robbing their people blind. Both of these corrupt leaders stole money meant for aid for their people and diverted it into their own bank accounts. Thats not very admirable IMO. Arafat was successful in pulling the wool over the eyes of the Palesinian people and keeping up the "struggle" that kept him in power. If there ever was peace, Arafat would loose his job. Arafat did not want peace. If he did, he would have had peace. Arafat is the godfather of moder terror and the world, not to mention the Palestinian people are better off without him.

Arafat is certainly no monster. In terms of humanity he was miles ahead of Ariel Scharon who's responsible for the death of thousands unguilty people during his time in the military. Arafat didn't order terrorist attacks on Israel. He was the legitmate leader of a nation who's land and rights have been stolen.

If everyone would found a state on land that belonged to him 2000 years ago Italy would rule most of Europe and the Indians would push you out of the USA. And the land that has been conquered by the Isrealis during the war around 1962 has never been given back either. You can't just throw people out of their own land.

The Isrealis haven't understood that taking an eye for an eye only leaves the whole world blind. They're fighting a war of injustice and ignorance. That this is nothing new and totally acceptable for some americans doesn't surprise me at all.

And everytime you critisize Isreal you're being threated like a Antisemit because people don't understand that there's a difference between a religion and a nation. I would critisize any other country acting like this the same way.

And it's not like all Isrealis are supporting the way their governement handles the situation. The major goal of any democracy should be peace and acceptable living standards for anyone. The Isrealis aren't far from repeating their own history with changed roles.

I'm sorry for my english in this case cause I couldn't express anything the way I wanted. Hopefully nobody's misunderstanding what I wrote. If there are any questions feel free to ask before you judge. Thx. :)

First off, if you dont think Arafat ever ordered terror attacks, you should not be commenting here. Look it up. Its common knowlege.

Second, if you think a guy who gets 96% of the vote in any election is legitamately elected, youve got peoblems.

Third, why should Israel give back the land they won in that war anyway? If you knew about the war you would know that the surrounding arab countries TOLD the Palestinians to GET OUT of Isreal while they kick the Israeli's asses so the wouldnt get hurt. Well, they got out, and as we all know, the Israeli's didnt get their asses kicked. They took the land, and then the Palestinians come back whining that they want thier land back. I say too bad. When you think of the land in that part of the world, think about the United States. The United Staes is all Arab, and the Jews just want Delaware. Thats what we are dealing with people. The Arabs wont let the Jews have even a spec of land in that part of the world and wont rest until the Jews are pushed into the sea.

so if i get enough ppl and go off to delaware and say plz to america,do you think America will tell its citizens to leave???so i can stay there?wake up son!
Secondly,flying over palestine with f-16s, blasting through refugee camps killing 100's is ok is it???
Have you been to palestine?have you seen how israel winds the palestinians up by not allowing them to go for prayer to their mosques for no apparent reason?have you seen how they disrespect the muslim's holy places by walking through them with their shoes on? or how israeli soldiers they shoot little infants just for staring at them??have you experienced life,where a ten min journey takes an hour because you pass a checkpoint every mile or two?have you seen the the gates and walls palestinians must live behind or the tents they must live in???i have family and friends who have been there and seen it!
Yet the U.S government still calls Israel their allies,gives them funding and weapons.
You want to see the truth then goto palestine. With regard to the suicide bombers,they are attacks of anger,retaliation and desperation. What would you have done if someone threw you out of your house,killed your little daughter and then treated you as a prisoner?every day that passes your loved ones are being killed one by one,you are left with no family,no home and no posessions...what would you feel?what would you do?

so if i get enough ppl and go off to delaware and say plz to america,do you think America will tell its citizens to leave???so i can stay there?wake up son!
Secondly,flying over palestine with f-16s, blasting through refugee camps killing 100's is ok is it???
Have you been to palestine?have you seen how israel winds the palestinians up by not allowing them to go for prayer to their mosques for no apparent reason?have you seen how they disrespect the muslim's holy places by walking through them with their shoes on? or how israeli soldiers they shoot little infants just for staring at them??have you experienced life,where a ten min journey takes an hour because you pass a checkpoint every mile or two?have you seen the the gates and walls palestinians must live behind or the tents they must live in???i have family and friends who have been there and seen it!
Yet the U.S government still calls Israel their allies,gives them funding and weapons.
You want to see the truth then goto palestine. With regard to the suicide bombers,they are attacks of anger,retaliation and desperation. What would you have done if someone threw you out of your house,killed your little daughter and then treated you as a prisoner?every day that passes your loved ones are being killed one by one,you are left with no family,no home and no posessions...what would you feel?what would you do?

Have you been there???? If not stop acting like you have. I have seen enought **** on TV to equal your experience that you live through your friends stories so STFU.

If America lost a war and the people who won wanted to stay on land the size of Delaware and would let us have the rest I think I would be content.

Whos fault is it that they have to wait in lines to go places? Why do you think they have to sit in checkpoints? Its not because these people are the big sweethearts you make them out to be. As long as Israel has to worry about Palestinians targeting innocents, thats going to continue. Dont act like the Isaelis just cruise around killing peoples daughters man, you know that is bull****. When Israel attacks it's to kill someone whos a threat unlike the Palestinians who just go out and kill as many Israelis as possible. Yes, Israel does kill innocents too, but its by accident. They are not the targets of the attacks. There is a big difference.

Who was it who killed Isreali olyimpians in Munich?

First off, if you dont think Arafat ever ordered terror attacks, you should not be commenting here. Look it up. Its common knowlege.

Second, if you think a guy who gets 96% of the vote in any election is legitamately elected, youve got peoblems.

Third, why should Israel give back the land they won in that war anyway? If you knew about the war you would know that the surrounding arab countries TOLD the Palestinians to GET OUT of Isreal while they kick the Israeli's asses so the wouldnt get hurt. Well, they got out, and as we all know, the Israeli's didnt get their asses kicked. They took the land, and then the Palestinians come back whining that they want thier land back. I say too bad. When you think of the land in that part of the world, think about the United States. The United Staes is all Arab, and the Jews just want Delaware. Thats what we are dealing with people. The Arabs wont let the Jews have even a spec of land in that part of the world and wont rest until the Jews are pushed into the sea.

To Yassir Arafat:
(1929- 2004) President of Palestine, through being president of the Palestinian Authority, which controls the Palestinian territories in Gaza and on the West Bank.
Arafat's international profile has changed during the last 30 years. He was during the 1960's seen upon as leader and conductor of several terrorist attacks into Israel. In the 1970's the international society came to regard him as being a politician without country, but still associated with the activities performed in the 1960's.
In the 1980's, Arafat started to gain more important support in the West, much because of increasingly unwise politics from Israel's side (attacks at Lebanon, massacres in Sabra and Chatila), but basically because of a change of his own politics (more talks, less action).
In the 90's Arafat has come to be considered a pragmatic moderate, and by many foreign observers as a wiser politician than his Israeli opponents. Few question Arafat's intentions in the peace process, but there is more uncertainty on his will to get peace with his Palestinian political opponents.
Through 2001, Arafat's position weakened as well as his popularity. There are several reasons for this: Other,and more radical groups have been far more active as well as representative for public opinion. Israeli actions against the Palestinian infrastructure like the police, has made it virtually impossible for Arafat to exercise much power, hence creating an image of him as weak and inactive among his own former supporters. There are also indications that Arafat himself is sympathizing with, and allowing, radical groups sufficient room for their uprising and their terrorist attacks on Israeli soil, since he over years has experience little cooperation from Israeli leaders, and no progress in the peace process.
In 2002, Arafat became humiliated by Ariel Sharon who gave him house arrest in Ramallah from December 2001 to April 2002. This gave Arafat a status of a martyr (even if he still was alive) for the Palestinian cause, and a leader who would not bend. It would be correct to say that when Sharon tried to destroy Arafat, and even publicly declared him "irrelevant", he gave him back his strength and recreated him the undisputed leader of the Palestinians.
The rule over the small territories that have been given autonomy, Palestine, has not been a success. There has been many breaks on human rights, and economical growth is still beyond reach. Much of this has been ascribed to Arafat, who has been accused of being too weak with to prevent corruption and nepotism among the new leadership of Palestine.
During the same period, Israel has made it more difficult for Palestinians living in occupied territories who work in Israel, to keep their work. The result is that living conditions have become worse for most of the citizens.
Despite the problems, there was good reason to believe that Arafat was the preferred leader of the new Palestinian state until the second Intifada of fall 2000. Since then his support has dwindled, but in case of normal elections, he might still be reelected.

Six-Day War according to the Encyclopaedia of the Orient: War fought in 1967 between Israel on one side and Egypt, Jordan and Syria on the other side. The active Arab states received aid from Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Algeria.
From its beginning to the end, the war lasted 132 hours and 30 minutes (less than 6 days). But the duration was shorter on 2 of the 3 fronts: on the Egyptian side only 4 days, and on the Jordanian side only 3 days. It was only on the Syrian side that the war lasted the whole 6 days.
The war could have lasted longer than it did, and the result could have been different and less humiliating for the Arabs, as their the power of their armies was far from depleted. But there were mainly 2 reasons why the Arab nations gave in: 1. The lost territories held relatively few inhabitants (as was the case with Sinai for Egypt and Golan Heights for Syria) or was occupied territory (as was the case with Gaza Strip for Egypt and West Bank for Jordan). 2. The capitals of each of the three countries were threatened (Israeli troops were less than 100 km from Cairo and less than 50 km from Damascus and Amman).
The war was the most dramatic of all wars fought between Israel and the Arab nations, resulting in a depression in the Arab world lasting many years, changing the mentalities and political orientations among the people, as well as resulting in increased tensions between the Arab countries and the Western world. While the actual material and human losses were dramatic enough, Arab weakness in this war compared to Israeli efficiency will probably not be forgot for still many decades to come.
The war left Israel with the largest territorial gains from any of the wars the country had been involved in: Sinai and Gaza Strip were captured from Egypt, East Jerusalem and West Bank from Jordan and Golan Heights from Syria.
For the international society the war resulted in a closure of the Suez Canal for 8 years, resulting in increase of freight prices in international trade.

Isreal was clearly once more the agressor. And winning a war doesn't give you the right to do what you want. Everyone has a right to live and if he acts according to the rules of society he should be able to decide where he wants to live. Isreal might have won the war but they didn't win the right to throw people out of their homes and destroy their lifes. How can you act like this and argue about people becoming terrorists?

Last but not least I'd ask you to be a bit less agressive. I didn't attack you in any way. After all we're only having a discussion about a hot topic but that doesnt mean that we have to tell each other to shut up or not posting at all. Thx.

United Nations report:
Israel is violating human rights in the territories

By: Haaretz press service

The United Nations' annual human rights report, which will be presented to the UN General Assembly this month, accuses Israel of serious human rights violations in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, including the indiscriminate destruction of homes and infrastructure. This was noted in the UN report, a copy of which reached the Associated Press.

The report criticized Israel 's repeated attacks on the Rafah refugee camp. According to the report, in the past four years Israel has demolished 1,497 buildings in Rafah housing 15,000 people. The report said that part of the destruction in the area along the border with Egypt (the Philadelphia Corridor) was conducted for military-security reasons. With this, the report partially accepts the IDF's argument that houses were demolished to prevent arms smuggling. “Despite this, demolitions are often undertaken for no reason,” the report adds.

The report, prepared John Dugard, the UN special rapporteur in the occupied territories, stated that during its operations in Gaza, Israel was involved in “the widespread, indiscriminate destruction of property,” not only of houses but of roads, electricity and sewage networks, and water pipelines. The report was completed on August 12, only a few days before the beginning of Operation Days of Penitence in northern Gaza . [...}

The report also criticized Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's disengagement plan and the construction of the separation wall. According to the report, Israel 's plan to disengage was proposed to allow it to claims that the occupation of Gaza has ended, but since Israel will remain in control of the border crossing and air space, Gaza will remain occupied territory. Thus, the report adopts the Palestinian Authority's official stance on the matter.

As for the separation wall, the report said that it is not aimed at preventing terrorists from entering Israeli territory, but rather annexing settlements to Israel . The report states, “The wall is partially responsible for the suffering of the Palestinian people.” The report pointed out that Israel is ignoring the International Court of Justice's ruling advising the dismantling of the wall, choosing instead to obey a ruling by the Israeli High Court of Justice that requires the wall to be moved to minimize the harm to Palestinians. The report called for international action to be taken against Israel due to the wall. The report twice stated, “This is not the time for reconciliation on the part of the international community.”

United Nations report:
Israel is violating human rights in the territories

By: Haaretz press service

The United Nations' annual human rights report, which will be presented to the UN General Assembly this month, accuses Israel of serious human rights violations in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, including the indiscriminate destruction of homes and infrastructure. This was noted in the UN report, a copy of which reached the Associated Press.

The report criticized Israel 's repeated attacks on the Rafah refugee camp. According to the report, in the past four years Israel has demolished 1,497 buildings in Rafah housing 15,000 people. The report said that part of the destruction in the area along the border with Egypt (the Philadelphia Corridor) was conducted for military-security reasons. With this, the report partially accepts the IDF's argument that houses were demolished to prevent arms smuggling. “Despite this, demolitions are often undertaken for no reason,” the report adds.

The report, prepared John Dugard, the UN special rapporteur in the occupied territories, stated that during its operations in Gaza, Israel was involved in “the widespread, indiscriminate destruction of property,” not only of houses but of roads, electricity and sewage networks, and water pipelines. The report was completed on August 12, only a few days before the beginning of Operation Days of Penitence in northern Gaza . [...}

The report also criticized Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's disengagement plan and the construction of the separation wall. According to the report, Israel 's plan to disengage was proposed to allow it to claims that the occupation of Gaza has ended, but since Israel will remain in control of the border crossing and air space, Gaza will remain occupied territory. Thus, the report adopts the Palestinian Authority's official stance on the matter.

As for the separation wall, the report said that it is not aimed at preventing terrorists from entering Israeli territory, but rather annexing settlements to Israel . The report states, “The wall is partially responsible for the suffering of the Palestinian people.” The report pointed out that Israel is ignoring the International Court of Justice's ruling advising the dismantling of the wall, choosing instead to obey a ruling by the Israeli High Court of Justice that requires the wall to be moved to minimize the harm to Palestinians. The report called for international action to be taken against Israel due to the wall. The report twice stated, “This is not the time for reconciliation on the part of the international community.”

When has the UN not been anti Israel?

UN criticizes Israel for human rights violations in territories
The Associated Press, Shlomo Shamir, Haaretz
October 15, 2004

Israel is guilty of severe human rights violations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, including "wanton destruction" of houses and infrastructure, according to a United Nations report obtained Thursday by The Associated Press.

The annual human rights report is to be presented to the UN General Assembly later this month.

The 18-page report was prepared by John Dugard, the UN representative for human rights. It charges that while some of Israel's actions in the Palestinian areas can be explained by security concerns, many cannot.

During operations in the Gaza Strip, Israel engaged in "massive and wanton destruction of property," the report said. "Bulldozers have destroyed homes in a purposeless manner and have savagely dug up roads, including electricity, sewage and water lines."

The report is dated August 12, well before the current Israeli operation in northern Gaza, the largest in four years of fighting. On Thursday, Israeli forces pulled out of the Gaza town of Beit Lahiya, leaving behind a swath of destruction.

The report criticizes repeated Israeli operations in the Rafah refugee camp on the Gaza-Egypt border. Israel has said its forces were looking for arms smuggling tunnels.

The document said that over four years, "1,497 buildings have been demolished in Rafah, affecting over 15,000 people." Some of the destruction, along the border, was for operational reasons, the report said. "Often, however, the destruction is wanton," it charged. [...]

Israeli Foreign Ministry legal adviser Daniel Taub said the fact that the document glossed over the Rafah gunrunners' tunnels and ignored the suicide bombings that Israel says the West Bank fence is meant to stop, means the report "has nothing to contribute to any serious discussion about finding the right balance between security and human rights."

The report also criticizes Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan to withdraw from Gaza next year, as well as the separation barrier Israel is building along the line between Israel and the West Bank, dipping into the territory in some places.

Israel's disengagement plan is designed to allow Israel to say that its occupation of Gaza is over, and it is no longer bound by terms of the Fourth Geneva Convention governing occupied territories - but since Israel would retain control of border crossings and air space, it remains an occupier, the document said.

Israel does not recognize application of the Geneva Conventions to the West Bank and Gaza, calling them disputed areas, not occupied.

Some of the harshest criticism in the report was aimed at the separation barrier, called "the Wall" in the document.

Israel has said the complex of walls, fences, trenches and electronic surveillance devices is necessary to keep Palestinian suicide bombers out of Israel, after hundreds of Israelis were killed.

The UN report charges that Israel's real goals are to incorporate Jewish settlements into Israel, confiscate Palestinian land and force Palestinians to move - echoing Palestinian charges.

"The Wall is responsible for much of the suffering of the Palestinian people," the document charged. It noted that the UN world court ordered Israel to tear it down, but Israel is ignoring the ruling, following instead its own Supreme Court instructions to move the barrier to reduce hardships on Palestinians.

The report notes that "terrorist attacks inside Israel" dropped 83 percent in the first half of 2004 compared to the same period a year before, but "there is no compelling evidence that this cannot have been done with equal effect by building the Wall along the Green Line," the 1949 cease-fire line between Israel and the West Bank.

Israel does not recognize the Green Line as a boundary and insists on negotiating its permanent border in peace talks.

The report called for international action against Israel because of the barrier. "This is no time for appeasement on the part of the international community," the document said twice.

UN figure calls on EU to freeze Israel's special trade status
A United Nations food expert called on the European Union to freeze Israel's special trade partner status, in order to pressure Jerusalem into ceasing a policy that the expert says is interrupting the distributrion of foor to Palestinians in the territories.

According to Israel Radio, the demand was made by Jean Ziegler, UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, who is stationed in Geneva.

Ziegler said he approached the former President of the European Commission, Romano Prodi on the matter, and that he will also contacted the new president, José Manuel Barosso. Ziegler said he would submit a report at the next United Nations General Assembly meeting , according to which 22 percent of Palestinian children in the territories were suffering from malnutrition.

Ziegler, a Swiss citizen, was a member of the Swiss parliament in the past, representing a far left party. He is a controversial figure, and several Jewish organizations have claimed he is hostile to Israel. A Geneva-based Jewish group that monitors UN activity asked the chairman of the UN Commission on Human Rights in Geneva, Micheal Smith, to dismiss Ziegler, citing his one-sided approach to Israel.

Ziegler has previously called on Europe to break off trade with Israel, and accused Israel of conducting policies that were interrupting food distribution in the territories, and compared the West Bank and Gaza to concentration camps.

A classified foreign ministry report that was published Wednesday warned that the international standing of Israel could worsen in the next decade, and that its situation could resemble apartheid-era South Africa.

The report states that Europe is gaining international strength, which influences Israel's standing, given Europe's criticism of Israel's policy in the territories. Europe is strongly opposed to the route of the separation fence, and EU foreign ministers demanded this week that the Israel Defense Force cease its operations in the northern Gaza Strip.

According to documents compiled by the foreign ministry, if the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not resolved, in the next decade Israel and Europe will find themselves on a collision course that will gravely harm Israel politically and economically. [...]

When has the UN not been anti Israel?
This is not anti Isreal, this is an objective report from the United Nations, one of the most respected and trustable organizations and sources worldwide. Is that all you have to say about this?

They demolish houses of suicide bombers families. It is meant as a deterent. Who gives a **** if the UN approves or not. If Israel did everything the UN asked there would be no more Jews left. The Arabs would have killed them all.

Do you think the Arabs, if equipped with the aresenal of the Isaelis, would be so considerate as to just bulldoze a house after a sucide kills 10 innocent people on the street? If the shoe was on the other foot and the Palestinians had the military muscle and the Israelis had rocks, whay do you think the Palestinians would do?

This is not anti Isreal, this is an objective report from the United Nations, one of the most respected and trustable organizations and sources worldwide. Is that all you have to say about this?

All I have to say about that lost comment is LOL! Most objective organizations in the world? What the hell are you smoking? No offense of course. :D

This is not anti Isreal, this is an objective report from the United Nations, one of the most respected and trustable organizations and sources worldwide. Is that all you have to say about this?

The UN, trusted and respected? Have you been living in a cave for the past 10 years?

They demolish houses of suicide bombers families. It is meant as a deterent. Who gives a **** if the UN approves or not. If Israel did everything the UN asked there would be no more Jews left. The Arabs would have killed them all.

Do you think the Arabs, if equipped with the aresenal of the Isaelis, would be so considerate as to just bulldoze a house after a sucide kills 10 innocent people on the street? If the shoe was on the other foot and the Palestinians had the military muscle and the Israelis had rocks, whay do you think the Palestinians would do?

Even if they'd only demolish the houses of suicide bombers (sadly this isn't the whole truth) it wouldn't be excuseable. If someone murders another person you don't kill his whole family in order to punish. Where's the fault f.e. of a little girl that her father saw no other way out?

And the Arabs have some serious arsenal. They're just not the guilty ones in this case. A quarter of Isreal is based on war and robbed land. Isreal itself is a legitimate state in my eyes but the land they conquered in unlegitimated wars has to be given back and the violation of human rights has to be stopped.

And please give me a good explanation for your view on the UN. Otherwise I'll have to laugh. If you don't trust them which source whould you trust?

The UN, trusted and respected? Have you been living in a cave for the past 10 years?

Well, before you cross the line and insult me I'd love to hear why you think so negative about the UN.

Even if they'd only demolish the houses of suicide bombers (sadly this isn't the whole truth) it wouldn't be excuseable. If someone murders another person you don't kill his whole family in order to punish. Where's the fault f.e. of a little girl that her father saw no other way out?

And the Arabs have some serious arsenal. They're just not the guilty ones in this case. A quarter of Isreal is based on war and robbed land. Isreal itself is a legitimate state in my eyes but the land they conquered in unlegitimated wars has to be given back and the violation of human rights has to be stopped.

And please give me a good explanation for your view on the UN. Otherwise I'll have to laugh. If you don't trust them which source whould you trust?

How are wars illegitimate if you are attacked and if you attack before your enemies can while they are massing on your borders?

How are wars illegitimate if you are attacked and if you attack before your enemies can while they are massing on your borders?

On the last page I posted some information about the six-day war. Isreal was the aggressor and didn't act defensivly. I'd recommand you to read it again before you continue claiming false things.

Well, before you cross the line and insult me I'd love to hear why you think so negative about the UN.

Just look at how well they have handled crisises in Africa (Sudan, Rwanada, and others), Iraq, and the former Yugoslavia.

On the last page I posted some information about the six-day war. Isreal was the aggressor and didn't act defensivly. I'd recommand you to read it again before you continue claiming false things.

I recommend you open a history book before you continue claiming false things. This is like trying to have a discussion with the leader of Hamas. How is this being the aggressor? President Nasser of Egypt moved several divisions to the Israeli-Egyptian border after accussing Israel of being an aggressor. On May 18, Nasser demanded the withdrawal of UN forces patrolling the 1948-1956 cease fire line. On May 22, Egypt blockaded the Strait of Tiran. On May 23 Saudi Arabia starts to mobilize. By May 29th, only Jordan and Sudan were fully mobilized for war and Algerian troops were moved to Egypt. On May 31, Iraq began moving troops to Jordan.

My problem with the UN is their lack of action when needed in places Neuraxis already mentioned and the fact that they can always be counted on to not be able to distinguish the bad guys from the good guys. Israel is case in point. Iraq-America is another, and a recent exmple is Kofi Annan sending a letter to Bush and Allawi telling them that they should not attack Fallujah because it was disrupt the elections in Iraq. WTF?

I see you have found UN reports on Israel's human rights violations. Now can you post a UN report on the Palestinian human rights violations? Do they have a report on how Arafat robbed his people blind while they live in a toilet?

i have a few questions. can anyone tell me what a palestinian is? can anyone tell me where they actually came from? and in history, when were they created? why do they actually have a right to the land that they have been given? i am so confused about why it is even an issue over there.

The reason why the Jews are having so many problems today is that they turned away from God...

Was anyone happy because of Arafat's death?

The reason why the Jews are having so many problems today is that they turned away from God...

Was anyone happy because of Arafat's death?


...OH yeah, I am extremely happy!!!! The guy was trash. I bet the worms won't even eat his stinky carcas.

Our policy should be is, you dont mess with us we dont mess with you or care about you...

ahh one can only dream.

explosivo,my friends and family have been,What you've watched on t.v is what the media has wanted you to watch...i dont suppose you ever saw on the news how the israeli army shot innocent children that were walking by without any reason?you probabyl missed the news that day eh?
i suggest you take a look at the following link:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1007051,00.html (a major,respected newspaper from the U.K)

Just search the net on israel and innocent children being killed,there is much evidence of it!!!

Have you been there???? If not stop acting like you have. I have seen enought **** on TV to equal your experience that you live through your friends stories so STFU.

If America lost a war and the people who won wanted to stay on land the size of Delaware and would let us have the rest I think I would be content.

Whos fault is it that they have to wait in lines to go places? Why do you think they have to sit in checkpoints? Its not because these people are the big sweethearts you make them out to be. As long as Israel has to worry about Palestinians targeting innocents, thats going to continue. Dont act like the Isaelis just cruise around killing peoples daughters man, you know that is bull****. When Israel attacks it's to kill someone whos a threat unlike the Palestinians who just go out and kill as many Israelis as possible. Yes, Israel does kill innocents too, but its by accident. They are not the targets of the attacks. There is a big difference.

Who was it who killed Isreali olyimpians in Munich?
I've been there. I've been to several mideast countries. Chilly is 100% dead on his characterization.

TV doesn't tell you have the story. They can't air most of it. Besides the Israeli governnment has the Palestinians pigenhold likke in a housing project away from western cameras so you can't see the real dirty action. If you rely on TV for your knowledge about Israel, that's your problem. I ve had nightmares about that place. I wish for peace in that region but have little sympathy for Israelis. They've managed to make the Palestinians look like wolves and they're the innocent sheep. It's the other way around

noone has answered my questions. if you can then you will know the palestinians don't even belong there.

noone has answered my questions. if you can then you will know the palestinians don't even belong there.



...That's precisely why it hasn't been answered.

No, it's because I'm frustrated since I can't express myself the way I'd like to. If we'd have this discussion in German I'd be a lot easier for me. Anyways I respect your opinion and see your points but I hope you also understand where I'm coming from. We will not agree on this topic anytime soon so let's just leave it here, shake hands and move on.

Another hair off Bush's ass...Only Castro is left, and of course Bin Laden. I have a problem with neither one of those guys, might I add..

I've been there. I've been to several mideast countries. Chilly is 100% dead on his characterization.

TV doesn't tell you have the story. They can't air most of it. Besides the Israeli governnment has the Palestinians pigenhold likke in a housing project away from western cameras so you can't see the real dirty action. If you rely on TV for your knowledge about Israel, that's your problem. I ve had nightmares about that place. I wish for peace in that region but have little sympathy for Israelis. They've managed to make the Palestinians look like wolves and they're the innocent sheep. It's the other way around
Like wolves you say? I would say more like cowardly terrorist to me. If the shoe fits wear it. I have seen no evidence to the contrary. If you have some please share it.

explosivo,my friends and family have been,What you've watched on t.v is what the media has wanted you to watch...i dont suppose you ever saw on the news how the israeli army shot innocent children that were walking by without any reason?you probabyl missed the news that day eh?
i suggest you take a look at the following link:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1007051,00.html (a major,respected newspaper from the U.K)

Just search the net on israel and innocent children being killed,there is much evidence of it!!!

So now "a major, respected newspaper from the U.K. = left wing, propaganda filled paper from the U.K.

Another hair off Bush's ass...Only Castro is left, and of course Bin Laden. I have a problem with neither one of those guys, might I add.. Why do we even give a f**k about Cuba, what the hell is in that freakin' island? AHH, on the other hand, if we free Cuba, it would definitely bring a much more competitive and exciting fights in alot of different weight divisions in professional boxing, can y'all imagine some of Cuba's finest coming over and competing w/ the current top pro boxers of today. I might also add there would be more J-LO asses to go around I know she's P.R. but it's pretty much the same thing.

Why do we even give a f**k about Cuba, what the hell is in that freakin' island? AHH, on the other hand, if we free Cuba, it would definitely bring a much more competitive and exciting fights in alot of different weight divisions in professional boxing, can y'all imagine some of Cuba's finest coming over and competing w/ the current top pro boxers of today. I might also add there would be more J-LO asses to go around I know she's P.R. but it's pretty much the same thing.

Castro wouldn't let them leave Cuba if we lifted sanctions.

Have you been there???? If not stop acting like you have. I have seen enought **** on TV to equal your experience that you live through your friends stories so STFU.


Idiot, seeing something on T.V and experiencing it live in the flesh are two completely different things. Ask people about war and most people couldn't care less because it doesn't affect them cos it's on the otherside of the world and they only see it on TV. If you are in the middle of the warzone however you have a completely different view.

No amount of TV watching comes close to real life experience.

Yes, Israel does kill innocents too, but its by accident. They are not the targets of the attacks. There is a big difference.


Jeesus! You must be living in a vaccuum..

One person's monster is another's hero.