http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFItTXTExms&feature=related

sorry i dont know how to post videos so you can watch them here, but theres some footage of him shadowboxing

hes pretty bad

i know he accomplished a lot but i think thats due to his contemporaries being very limited themselves

i dont think he became some sort of juggernaut once he got into the ring...thats his boxing style right there, and he looks like a mental patient swinging his arms about rabidly

honestly i think the 30's/40's was the turning point for boxing as far as skills went, when guys robinson, louis, walcott, charles etc came along, guys with excellent form and ability

the guys before that were pretty awful skill wise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFItTXTExms&feature=related

sorry i dont know how to post videos so you can watch them here, but theres some footage of him shadowboxing

hes pretty bad

i know he accomplished a lot but i think thats due to his contemporaries being very limited themselves

i dont think he became some sort of juggernaut once he got into the ring...thats his boxing style right there, and he looks like a mental patient swinging his arms about rabidly

honestly i think the 30's/40's was the turning point for boxing as far as skills went, when guys robinson, louis, walcott, charles etc came along, guys with excellent form and ability

the guys before that were pretty awful skill wise

yea he looks like some of the amateurs at my local gym, but you can't knock the guy - he beat the likes of Gene Tunney, a quite skillful boxer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMA6Pd6tT3Q&feature=related

heres him sparring, lol

"without actually watching the guys fight or seeing what they did and how overrated their accomplishments are

james j jeffries for instance...have you seen him and his contemporaries fight?? they were utter shit!!"

lmfao this video is probably the extent of kostyas knowledge of fights back then. 30 seconds of training. because sugar ray robinson and joe louis didnt build up on what these men pioneered or anything. ****ing retard.

Greb was clowning around for the cameras. That footage doesn't prove anything.

honestly i think the 30's/40's was the turning point for boxing as far as skills went, when guys robinson, louis, walcott, charles etc came along, guys with excellent form and ability

the guys before that were pretty awful skill wise

Gene Tunney, Jack Johnson, Jim Corbett, George Dixon, Joe Gans...pretty awful skill wise? Baloney!

Joe Louis learned his skills from Jack Blackburn, a Hall of Fame lightweight of the 1900s with some 150 fights to his name. He was also an early trainer of Jersey Joe Walcott. Now where did Blackburn learn them if everyone was devoid of skill prior to that?

Greb was said to have been joking around when those films were taken. Unfortunately there is no other footage of him.

From all the information I've gathered, I'd say that his style must've resembled Joe Calzaghe's (with numerous punches thrown from all angles). Now everyone who has seen Calzaghe fight knows that he isn't exactly the most orthodox fighter around but his style most certainly works, even today.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll67/barobinson1/hopcalz-1.gif?t=1218784000

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Greb was said to have been joking around when those films were taken. Unfortunately there is no other footage of him.

From all the information I've gathered, I'd say that his style must've resembled Joe Calzaghe's (with numerous punches thrown from all angles). Now everyone who has seen Calzaghe fight knows that he isn't exactly the most orthodox fighter around but his style most certainly works, even today.

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lol that's a pretty good point. What about comparing him to Mayweather, Hopkins or most recently Pacquiao (in his recent fights).

I really don't like to be the devil's advocate here, but I certainly hope he's just joking, because a lot of that is just him being sloppy more so than "unorthodox" even Calzaghe (probably one of my least favorite fighters) has some sort of form. (The Hopkins fight was bad in particular, but against Jones he was stringing some sharp slaps together). shot Jones that is.

lol that's a pretty good point. What about comparing him to Mayweather, Hopkins or most recently Pacquiao (in his recent fights).

I'd compare Jack Johnson to Hopkins, Joe Gans to Mayweather and Pancho Villa to Pacquiao...

I'd compare Jack Johnson to Hopkins, Joe Gans to Mayweather and Pancho Villa to Pacquiao...

no offense, but in all those matchups I'd pick the latter. Johnson vs Hopkins (skillwise) come on now man...

Pacquiao is just a genetic freak..

I haven't watched enough of Joe Ganz so I won't make a statement as I've been proven to be wrong before lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFItTXTExms&feature=related

sorry i dont know how to post videos so you can watch them here, but theres some footage of him shadowboxing

hes pretty bad

i know he accomplished a lot but i think thats due to his contemporaries being very limited themselves

i dont think he became some sort of juggernaut once he got into the ring...thats his boxing style right there, and he looks like a mental patient swinging his arms about rabidly

honestly i think the 30's/40's was the turning point for boxing as far as skills went, when guys robinson, louis, walcott, charles etc came along, guys with excellent form and ability

the guys before that were pretty awful skill wise

That was Greb, joking around for the camera, little did he know that would virtually the only footage of him.

thats his boxing style right there, and he looks like a mental patient swinging his arms about rabidly

You say he's pretty bad shadow boxing and looked like a mental patient, but Greb was a tremendous flurry puncher, and hit you at all angles and had a tremendous work rate. And set the trend for fighters like Armstrong and Pryor.

He also had one of the best chins, it was cast iron. and had a tremendous heart, and battled through the latter end of his career, with burley no vision.And beat some of the best fighters of all time with one eye including Gene Tunney.

The man was one hell of a fighter, and with out dout is one of the best of all time.

You Say
honestly i think the 30's/40's was the turning point for boxing as far as skills went, when guys robinson, louis, walcott, charles etc came along, guys with excellent form and ability

Can't agree with you, Not many fighters had more skill that Jack Johnson, at one point he was deemed the perfect fighter, he could do it all. Brillant Defence, Brillant Counter Puncher, Brillant Footwork and could punch.

And he weren't on his own, there were pleny of fighters with just as much skill and abilty before the 30's, etc Gene Tunney, Joe Gans, Sam Langford, Jim Corbett,Maxie Rosenbloom, George Dixion.

These fighters back here were just as good as the ones today, and had just as much skill and abilty. They don't get enough respect, and some boxing fans don't give them enough credit or relalize how good they were.

i really hope he was messing about.

To learn more about Greb, and see more videos of him go to
http://www.harrygreb.com/

i agree with kostya the guy was terrible in that video anyway if he had half a brain and was clowning around for the cameras he would of done something good and made it look better without trying if he was as good as u say he is but he was crap in that vid

i dont think he became some sort of juggernaut once he got into the ring...thats his boxing style right there

Based upon what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFItTXTExms&feature=related

sorry i dont know how to post videos so you can watch them here, but theres some footage of him shadowboxing

hes pretty bad

i know he accomplished a lot but i think thats due to his contemporaries being very limited themselves

i dont think he became some sort of juggernaut once he got into the ring...thats his boxing style right there, and he looks like a mental patient swinging his arms about rabidly

honestly i think the 30's/40's was the turning point for boxing as far as skills went, when guys robinson, louis, walcott, charles etc came along, guys with excellent form and ability

the guys before that were pretty awful skill wise

i agree with kostya the guy was terrible in that video anyway if he had half a brain and was clowning around for the cameras he would of done something good and made it look better without trying if he was as good as u say he is but he was crap in that vid

I ain't gonna say anything but simply put a quote from Hank Kaplan

"HK: Greatest fighter? I suppose there is a definitive answer to that, but I’d have to break it down this way. My personal favorite fighter is Joe Louis. But the greatest two-fisted fighter I have ever seen is Henry Armstrong. The most skilled fighter I‘ve ever seen is probably Sugar Ray Robinson. The most scientific boxer I have ever seen is Willie Pep, without a doubt. And the man I believe to be the greatest fighter who ever lived is Harry Greb. Nobody before him or since him has done the things he did. He was merely a middleweight and he fought light-heavyweights and heavyweights all over the lot. And here is a guy with 300 fights"

Yeah he beat Gene Tunney and...


Greb outboxed Tommy Loughran for 15 rounds.

Loughrun outboxed Max Baer for ten rounds.

Max Baer outboxed Schmelling for ten rounds.

Schmelling outboxed Louis for 12 rounds in their first fight.


Greb couldn't have been that primitive technically.

Yeah he beat Gene Tunney and...


Greb outboxed Tommy Loughran for 15 rounds.

Loughrun outboxed Max Baer for ten rounds.

Max Baer outboxed Schmelling for ten rounds.

Schmelling outboxed Louis for 12 rounds in their first fight.


Greb couldn't have been that primitive technically.

well he ****ing was! and that logic you used is ****ed!!

Based upon what?

he may have lifted in the ring to some extent, (ie: more aggression, more focused) but his embarrassing lack of skills wouldnt have magically fixed themselves

fighter usually look better fighting than they do just shadowboxing, but you dont go from being charlie zelenhoff shadowboxing to ray robinson in the ring...

he may have lifted in the ring to some extent, (ie: more aggression, more focused) but his embarrassing lack of skills wouldnt have magically fixed themselves

fighter usually look better fighting than they do just shadowboxing, but you dont go from being charlie zelenhoff shadowboxing to ray robinson in the ring...

wowwww :rofl:

well he ****ing was! and that logic you used is ****ed!!

The logic i used was entirely solid but probably missed by you because you chose to ignore the word " OUTBOXED".

Not simply "knocked out", each of the fighters outboxed the opponents mentioned round after round (Which is why I put the duration of the matches up there).


Now if i was talking about matches in which fighters were only knocked out, then there would be a flaw in my logic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFItTXTExms&feature=related

sorry i dont know how to post videos so you can watch them here,

On the youtube page copy the line on the right where it says 'embed'. Then click the globe icon on bar above the post you're making, and paste in the dialogue box.

On the youtube page copy the line on the right where it says 'embed'. Then click the globe icon on bar above the post you're making, and paste in the dialogue box.

oh thanks.........

Here's a article on Harry Greb

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/greb.html

Here's a article on Harry Greb

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/greb.html

Good article.

well he ****ing was! and that logic you used is ****ed!!

How can a guy start a thread like this and not back anything he says up.

Just say that Baer and Braddock had no technique and then we'll understand how they both got outclassed by a guy that was outboxed By Greb.

baer and braddock had no technique

baer was crap, he could punch but that was it

he barely trained and even had a radio show while he was champ lol

braddock was a solid but not great fighter who made the most of his chance to topple a very complacent and lazy champion in baer

baer and braddock had no technique

baer was crap, he could punch but that was it

he barely trained and even had a radio show while he was champ lol

braddock was a solid but not great fighter who made the most of his chance to topple a very complacent and lazy champion in baer

How was such a primitive Boxer as Baer able to outwit Scmelling for ten rounds, a man who outclassed Louis in their first fight?

All of these guys are from approximately the same era.

hes pretty bad

i know he accomplished a lot but i think thats due to his contemporaries being very limited themselves

i dont think he became some sort of juggernaut once he got into the ring...thats his boxing style right there, and he looks like a mental patient swinging his arms about rabidly

honestly i think the 30's/40's was the turning point for boxing as far as skills went, when guys robinson, louis, walcott, charles etc came along, guys with excellent form and ability

the guys before that were pretty awful skill wise

No, actually that's not his style right there. This is an old known video of him playing around for the camera's. He is not training.

LMAO at the people trying to justify Harry greb being so sloppy, Ive honestly seen amateurs still in school with better techique than this guy.
Yes, he paved the way for fighters such as Joe Louis and Jersey joe Walcott but to say Greb or any other one of these old time fighters are as good as fighters today is ridiculous.

Bias to old timers never ceases to amaze me honestly

LMAO at the people trying to justify Harry greb being so sloppy, Ive honestly seen amateurs still in school with better techique than this guy.
Yes, he paved the way for fighters such as Joe Louis and Jersey joe Walcott but to say Greb or any other one of these old time fighters are as good as fighters today is ridiculous.

Bias to old timers never ceases to amaze me honestly

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http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll67/barobinson1/hopcalz-1.gif?t=1218784000

oh wow, you pick one bad scene from the Hopkins fight
i suggest you actually watch Joe Calzaghe's fights especially against kessler and Jones
Tremendous technique, adaptability and handspeed

You're an idiot
Hope this helps

oh wow, you pick one bad scene from the Hopkins fight
i suggest you actually watch Joe Calzaghe's fights especially against kessler and Jones
Tremendous technique, adaptability and handspeed

You're an idiot
Hope this helps

I have seen nearly every fight of Joe's, even his early ones. He punches in a very unorthodox way but it works for him.

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vs Kessler

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vs Jones

All you have to do is compare Greb and Calzaghe shadowbox
Calzaghe unlike Greb actually goes in a stance, throws jabs, combinations, bobs and weaves between combinations etc etc
He doesnt just flail his arms and goes round in circles without technique. Yes joe sometimes slaps but he has awesome techqiue and the correct fundamentals to go with it.

The comparison is ludicrous

All you have to do is compare Greb and Calzaghe shadowbox
Calzaghe unlike Greb actually goes in a stance, throws jabs, combinations, bobs and weaves between combinations etc etc
He doesnt just flail his arms and goes round in circles without technique. Yes joe sometimes slaps but he has awesome techqiue and the correct fundamentals to go with it.

The comparison is ludicrous

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LMAO at the people trying to justify Harry greb being so sloppy, Ive honestly seen amateurs still in school with better techique than this guy.
Yes, he paved the way for fighters such as Joe Louis and Jersey joe Walcott but to say Greb or any other one of these old time fighters are as good as fighters today is ridiculous.

Bias to old timers never ceases to amaze me honestly

Isn't this entire post nothing but the expression of a bias?

Let's just do a little inference.

Langford, for example, was not praised tremendously for his technical skill while Greb was. We have footage of Langford and he certainly does not look as bad as Greb did while clowning around in that footage. Therefore it is safe to say that Greb didn't look like this either when he was seriously fighting.


How in the world do you think Harry Greb beat Gene Tunney when Tunney was the bigger man if he was so primitive?!

Here is a NY Times reporter talking about the fight


“Tunney tried with every ounce of strength and every trick of the trade to offset the speed and remarkable ability of his rival. But the defending champion could find no defense for the rain of blows which met him at every turn.”

We have to remember that this was an era of showbusiness, a Boxer being shot in his training camp would be just as likely to clown for the camera as to do anything else.

Let's just do a little inference.

Langford, for example, was not praised tremendously for his technical skill while Greb was. We have footage of Langford and he certainly does not look as bad as Greb did while clowning around in that footage. Therefore it is safe to say that Greb didn't look like this either when he was seriously fighting.



Just imagine if 50 years from now the only footage of PBF was 20 seconds of his tussle with Big Show. All the fanboys of 2059's #1 p4p baby would be queuing up to slaughter him for lacking skill and technique, and chortling at the idea of Floyd lasting more than 2 rounds against modern day fighters.

I have seen nearly every fight of Joe's, even his early ones. He punches in a very unorthodox way but it works for him.

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vs Kessler

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vs Jones

I'm a notorious Calzaghe hater (ask anyone), the guy does seem sort of awkward and uncoordinated ( i know he slaps 100 times per round) but he still isn't anywhere near as bad as what that Greb video is showing. that's fricken aweful. If you are calling him great for what he was able to accomplish during his time, then i'm all for it. If you think this guy is going to beat on the Ray Leonards, Durans and Pacquiaos of our time though, I most certainly don't agree.

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Still think there is no difference between the 2 fighters shadowboxing?

Harry Greb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFItTXTExms&feature=related

Joe Calzaghe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAmalEm3DYw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGOyyz4fZCg&feature=related

One looks like a world class boxer and the other looks like a mental patient flinging his arms

Still think there is no difference between the 2 fighters shadowboxing?

Harry Greb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFItTXTExms&feature=related

Joe Calzaghe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAmalEm3DYw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGOyyz4fZCg&feature=related

One looks like a world class boxer and the other looks like a mental patient flinging his arms

Calzaghe looks pretty retarded to, the only reason he won his last 2 fights was by out slapping the older fighters.

Even so, I agree that Calzaghe in terms of skill is in another world than Harry Greb.

Calzaghe looks pretty retarded to, the only reason he won his last 2 fights was by out slapping the older fighters.

Even so, I agree that Calzaghe in terms of skill is in another world than Harry Greb.

That "old fighter" happens to be America's best and one of the best P4P fighters on the planet

That "old fighter" happens to be America's best and one of the best P4P fighters on the planet

yea fool, well to win you generally have to land something.
That fight was a draw, easily.

He's Americas best right now because America is lacking bigtime in the boxing department.

The problem is that your opinion on Harry Greb is based on 20-30 seconds of footage in which he was playing around for the cameras (this is common knowledge). I could just as easily choose to take clips of Calzaghe throwing pitty pats and slaps and make him look bad.

http://www.harrygreb.com/grebtunneyinringbeforefigh.jpeg

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Footage of Tunney at 7:15

Does he look like a fighter who would lose to a complete amateur?

Tommy Loughran who was dominated by Greb:

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Whenever great fighters of his era discussed Greb they mentioned three outstanding qualities that qualify him as the greatest swarming fighter of history. First of these was his great speed. Second of these was the relentless pace he set by the sheer volume of punches that he threw. And lastly was his impregnable chin, which is an essential ingredient to the successful swarming fighter.

Fighting Greb was like fighting a man with eight arms. “He was never in one spot for more than half a second,” said Gene Tunney, “All my punches were aimed and timed properly but they always wound up hitting empty air. He'd jump in and out, slamming me with a left and whirling me around with his right or the other way around. My arms were plastered with leather and although I jabbed, hooked and crossed, it was like fighting an octopus.”

A comparison can be made with Calzaghe.

I'm a notorious Calzaghe hater (ask anyone), the guy does seem sort of awkward and uncoordinated ( i know he slaps 100 times per round) but he still isn't anywhere near as bad as what that Greb video is showing. that's fricken aweful. If you are calling him great for what he was able to accomplish during his time, then i'm all for it. If you think this guy is going to beat on the Ray Leonards, Durans and Pacquiaos of our time though, I most certainly don't agree.

But you aren't judging eggs with eggs. There's tons of footage of Calzaghe in actual fights, whereas all we have of Greb is 30 seconds of clowning for the cameras. It's like judging Ali solely by his clowning head-to-heads with Cus D'Amato, when at one point Cus managed to give Ali a swollen lip after hitting him with a punch he'd just told him he was vulnerable to. Or if the only footage of Pacman was of him getting sparked by a flyweight. Just imagine how the Mayweather fanboys would rip into them for that.

What we do have of Greb is footage of his opponents, like Mickey Walker, like Gene Tunney - I'm sure even you have conceded that Tunney was class - so we know how good they were and how good someone like Greb would have to have been to beat them. Eyewitness accounts and testimony from his opponents are unanimous in describing him as a whirlwind, very hard to hit, and with a huge punch output. Too unanimous for them all to be dismissed as hyperbole.

Anyone who boxes will tell you that he actually moves around pretty well, his footwork is coordinated, and while he looks funny he DOES throw punches while moving back.

Imagine if this was the only footage available of Floyd Mayweather:

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:lol1:

Imagine if this was the only footage available of Floyd Mayweather:

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:lol1:

And that guy was p4p #1? Just shows how rubbish fighters from his era were. Anyone who thinks that bum would last 5 minutes with Sugar Ray Robinson needs to be locked away in a padded cell.

Good find.

But you aren't judging eggs with eggs. There's tons of footage of Calzaghe in actual fights, whereas all we have of Greb is 30 seconds of clowning for the cameras. It's like judging Ali solely by his clowning head-to-heads with Cus D'Amato, when at one point Cus managed to give Ali a swollen lip after hitting him with a punch he'd just told him he was vulnerable to. Or if the only footage of Pacman was of him getting sparked by a flyweight. Just imagine how the Mayweather fanboys would rip into them for that.

What we do have of Greb is footage of his opponents, like Mickey Walker, like Gene Tunney - I'm sure even you have conceded that Tunney was class - so we know how good they were and how good someone like Greb would have to have been to beat them. Eyewitness accounts and testimony from his opponents are unanimous in describing him as a whirlwind, very hard to hit, and with a huge punch output. Too unanimous for them all to be dismissed as hyperbole.

Yea you are right, I'm just going by what I've seen. I'm not going to pretend he's awesome just because everyone says he is. I'm really just poking fun at this video, because he does look pretty aweful for all the hype he gets.

I disagree with the poster who said anyone who boxes can see he moves around pretty well etc etc...based on THIS video, a lot of good amateurs are superior to him in the technical department.

Am I discrediting him? no, based on his resume he was a monster of his era.

And that guy was p4p #1? Just shows how rubbish fighters from his era were. Anyone who thinks that bum would last 5 minutes with Sugar Ray Robinson needs to be locked away in a padded cell.

Good find.

He didn't' look awful, he was losing but didn't look like a fool swinging his arms around like a "mentally challenged person".

That counter comeback doesn't really work, because Floyd Mayweather still looked 10 times better than Greb did in that video.

He didn't' look awful, he was losing but didn't look like a fool swinging his arms around like a "mentally challenged person".

That counter comeback doesn't really work, because Floyd Mayweather still looked 10 times better than Greb did in that video.

Atleast Greb wasn't getting beat up by a Paul Spadafora in that video nor did he lay on the canvas at the end of it.

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Harry 'The Human Windmill' Greb is the man! Cursing there's no footage of him actually fighting. He would have been ferocious throwing continuous punches from every conceivable angle and ruining his opponets careers. Had one of the best chins in boxing history along with Ali, Toney and La Motta.

Guy had over 300 fights and fought the twilight of his career after losing sight in one eye. He still even put it over his opponents badly with one eye. This breed of fighter is no longer around with today's alphabet Champions quite content to defend their titles twice a year.

Greb at his peak would take out Mayweather, Pacman, De La Hoya and Cotto within maybe two months. No kidding!

oh wow, you pick one bad scene from the Hopkins fight
i suggest you actually watch Joe Calzaghe's fights especially against kessler and Jones
Tremendous technique, adaptability and handspeed

You're an idiot
Hope this helps

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I think you're missing the point entirely. What if that one section of video was all that was ever found in fifty years? People would marvel that he was ever champion let alone undefeated.