Yup Mike Tyson kills them all one on one

what rules?

If Mike hit them in anywhere, it wouldn't go past the first minute.

what rules?

The "If Mike gets a shot in your face, you're either knocked out or dead" rule

rule everything goes, no biting stay on ya feet.. you can kick choke and melee no gay gorund **** doe1

Prime Mike Tyson wearing those small 4 ounce gloves would be a threat to anyone in the MMA division. They would have to take his ass down fast to even have a chance.

He'd get KO'd by anyone with a decent stand up game. People like Mirko, Fedor, Sylvia, AA, Liddell, etc... would all mop the floor with him.

Chuck Liddell is a glorified, pub brawler
I'd put money on pretty much every boxer his weight knocking him out
He walks straight towards you, hands down, zero head movement.

rule everything goes, no biting stay on ya feet.. you can kick choke and melee no gay gorund **** doe1
"Anything goes".... but no biting and no grappling?? That's not "anything goes", that's "street boxing match so my boy can win".

Tyson gets put on his back and elbowed in the grill 80x, or choked out if he's lucky. If not, kneebar.

He'd get KO'd by anyone with a decent stand up game. People like Mirko, Fedor, Sylvia, AA, Liddell, etc... would all mop the floor with him.

How can you say he'd lose to anyone with a decent stand up game?
Tyson had the ultimate stand up game. Most MMA fighters do not throw strikes correctly. A champion boxer throws strikes much better than 99% of mixed martial artists. Tyson was very quick, add 4oz. gloves...omg.

Tyson with his speed, agility, power, footwork, head movement, feriocity, and aggressivness like no other would destroy any MMA cat mentally before the fight. I can just picture Tyson chasing them around the cage/ring and when they try to swoop in for a take down, Tyson throws a quick and powerful combination. Add those 4 oz gloves and it's over.

Tyson with his speed, agility, power, footwork, head movement, feriocity, and aggressivness like no other would destroy any MMA cat mentally before the fight. I can just picture Tyson chasing them around the cage/ring and when they try to swoop in for a take down, Tyson throws a quick and powerful combination. Add those 4 oz gloves and it's over.

If Tyson is close enough to land a combination, he's close enough to be scooped up and dumped on his head. Love the av, by the way. :headbang:

MMA would win but he must take Tyson down quickly. No MMA would beat Tyson boxing or take any of his body shots. How long is a MMA fight BTW Would Tyson tire out??

Lol, are you guys delusional? Tyson would NOT Ko any top MMA fighters. Can he defend kicks? the clinch?

You guys act like if Tyson taps you, you die.

Mirko Cro Cop in his prime would absolutely obliterate Tyson in under 2 minutes, standing.

How can you say he'd lose to anyone with a decent stand up game?
Tyson had the ultimate stand up game. Most MMA fighters do not throw strikes correctly. A champion boxer throws strikes much better than 99% of mixed martial artists. Tyson was very quick, add 4oz. gloves...omg.

Tyson's stand up means nothing in MMA. They're two totally different sports when standing.

I don't think you non-mma'ers or non-kickboxers understand this.

Its actually very possible he beats them all. He has more of a chance when taken down than this opponent does when standing up. Its not easy to take someone down with the size, explosivesness, and aggression of a prime Tyson.

MMA would win but he must take Tyson down quickly. No MMA would beat Tyson boxing or take any of his body shots. How long is a MMA fight BTW Would Tyson tire out??

A prime Tyson rarely tired.

Fedor vs Tyson in street fight

Fedor takes down Tyson and smashes his face in. Fedor has the most devastating ground and pound in MMA history and he has amazing jiu jitsu....Easy quick win for Fedor.

I don’t think anyone here is saying Tyson is going to win (for sure) in a M.M.A. format against the best competition in the world. I do believe however that a prime Tyson with (proper M.M.A. training) could, and would change the course of any M.M.A. fight with his world-class speed, and power, just like Brock Lesnar did with his wrestling.

Tyson's stand up means nothing in MMA. They're two totally different sports when standing.

I don't think you non-mma'ers or non-kickboxers understand this.

They are indeed 2 different sports. But striking is striking regardless of the venue. Any MMA fighter who would make the mistake of trading with Tyson standing would have a very short bout, even Fedor.

I just realized and am shocked that Ground and Pound isn't the name of a ****o or something similar.

Even Shot tyson would KTFO most of them

They are indeed 2 different sports. But striking is striking regardless of the venue. Any MMA fighter who would make the mistake of trading with Tyson standing would have a very short bout, even Fedor.

Lol, you are completely delusional.

TYSON DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO DEFEND KICKS.

He'd get destroyed in under 2 minutes by Mirko.

rule everything goes, no biting stay on ya feet.. you can kick choke and melee no gay gorund **** doe1

Tyson cannot defend the legs.
Tyson cannot defend the back.
Tyson hasn't fought in a full clinch.

Those areas would be his undoing. A fighter isn't going to strike. They will kick the knees to slow up Tyson and then either take his back and choking him out, kill his legs or feed him flying knees.

All under your rules.

an mma fighter would beat Tyson. What you have to realize is there is no ref breaking up the clinch, he will be fighting someone that knows how to take it to the ground and work submissions, and he is also fighting someone that can kick, elbow, knee him. He wouldn't be a threat to anyone untill he learned the the grappling arts.

Is Tyson allowed to bite?

It also depends on how fleet footed the MMA guy is.

I believe Mike was challenged by Helio or one of the Gracie's when Mike was in his prime. Not sure what the response was.

In any case, I'd have to say that if Mike were to compete under mma rules back in his prime, he may have been beaten by a very good mma fighter.

The reason is, even back in the day Gracie JiuJitsu experts were taking on fighters of all styles, including boxers.

A GJJ stylist would have known to shoot for Mike's legs being aware of Mike's knockout power while trying to avoid any head shots. They would know that Mike would be head hunting from the get, and would immediately try to take him down to limit his ability to throw a punch with power.

There should be no doubt that if Mike connected with a solid shot before he was taken down, that his mma opponent would suffer a knock down or KO.

Against an inexperienced mma fighter, Mike may have succeeded.

But on the ground, Mike would only try to keep punching since that was his forte, but his body and limbs would be limited to struggling and he would eventually be choked out.

Lol, you are completely delusional.

TYSON DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO DEFEND KICKS.

He'd get destroyed in under 2 minutes by Mirko.

Make up your mind, strikes or kicks.....
And if you cant convey your opinion w/o insulting
then stfu.

Tyson loses via:

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or...

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In a boxing match, prime Tyson for sure. In a striking match where kicks, knees, elbows, punches, and the clinch are allowed, there are quite a few mixed martial artists who I would pick to beat Tyson.

Under Mixed Martial Arts rules... Let me put it this way, there are one or two Lightweights who I would pick to beat Tyson.

In a boxing match, prime Tyson for sure. In a striking match where kicks, knees, elbows, punches, and the clinch are allowed, there are quite a few mixed martial artists who I would pick to beat Tyson.

Under Mixed Martial Arts rules... Let me put it this way, there are one or two Lightweights who I would pick to beat Tyson.

I gotta hear this. But don't say Gomi, because he sucks now. Sherk would steamroll take down all over Tyson or anyone else for that matter. Are you thinking Aoki and BJ strictly for the subs??

I gotta hear this. But don't say Gomi, because he sucks now. Sherk would steamroll take down all over Tyson or anyone else for that matter. Are you thinking Aoki and BJ strictly for the subs??

Aoki, BJ, Florian, etc. Yes I primarily have grapplers in mind. They're all very talented submission artists, and weight would not be an issue. Look at people like Marcelo Garcia. A natural light-weight who handles heavyweight BJJ blackbelts (like Gonzaga who weighs nearly 260 pounds). Now I wouldn't put Aoki, BJ, or Florian at Marcelo's level of BJJ (though Aoki and BJ are very talented). But this isn't BJ vs heavyweight BJJ black belt. This would be BJ vs someone with no grappling experience at all.

It's not as easy as throw a couple jabs, hooks, or uppercuts to stop a takedown. Ask Marcus Davis, he was the number one ranked super middleweight in England until he made the transition to MMA. It took him years of training to get to where he is and he's still just a middle of the road mixed martial artist in his weight division.

It's not as easy as throw a couple jabs, hooks, or uppercuts to stop a takedown. Ask Marcus Davis, he was the number one ranked super middleweight in England until he made the transition to MMA. It took him years of training to get to where he is and he's still just a middle of the road mixed martial artist in his weight division.


marcus davis was a complete can in boxing and don't kid yourself to think any differently.If he was good enough at boxing then he would be boxing still it's as simple as that and he's american not english lol

marcus davis was a complete can in boxing and don't kid yourself to think any differently.If he was good enough at boxing then he would be boxing still it's as simple as that and he's american not english lol

That logic is so flawed.

My bad, I left out the "New" in New England. And it doesn't really matter that he didn't make it into the spotlight. He still has solid technical skills.

I don't think there are many boxers that would fair much better than him. Grappling and takedown defense isn't something that you can pick up in only a year or two.

Even if 3 years training to grapple might keep you on your feet for awhile, eventually you'll get taken down, and that 3 years won't be enough to contend with the people who have been grappling for 10 or 15 or 20 years.

Prime Tyson connects, you die.
MMA fighters throw punches like amateur boxers, maybe worse.
Also, Tyson is a fighter, he can defend a take down, and he has enough reflexes to duck/dodge a kick FFS.
Prime Tyson brutally knocks out any MMA fighter out there.
Also, a Tyson jab from those little gloves, can literally rip your face off.
This is Tyson we're talking about, wake up idiots.

MMA fighters with the exception of Silva and St Pierre are some of the most pathetic strikers I've ever seen in my life.

Your beloved Cro Cop got knocked out by a kick to the head FROM A JUJITSU EXPERT!

That's like an olympic wrestler catching Mike Tyson with a left hook and knocking him out Hahaha.

Mike Tyson would hospitalize any MMA fighter in seconds if the fight stayed on the feet.

If take down are allowed, Mike would lose.

Ask Marcus Davis, he was the number one ranked super middleweight in England until he made the transition to MMA. It took him years of training to get to where he is and he's still just a middle of the road mixed martial artist in his weight division.

I don't know what point you are trying to make. A middle of the road boxer can become a middle of the road mma fighter? So what does a good boxer do?

If Tyson is close enough to land a combination, he's close enough to be scooped up and dumped on his head. Love the av, by the way. :headbang:

True true, I'm not saying Tyson would win every time (I might have said that), But I believe maybe 7/10 times he would IF he had little training in ground game and such. I believe kicks to his legs wouldn't be to effective, them things are huge on him. And kicks to the head, I just don't see happening, his head movement and reactions are to quick for it and the way he positions his hands is good. I mean, Tyson is just to crazy, you scoop him on the ground, I can just seem him spasing and just punishing with punches even on his back. I've always said this, with Tysons build and aggressiveness, he'd make a great wrestler to, so with few training in that, he'd be great. But ya know, this is just my opinion and I'm only saying he'd win IF he had training in MMA before the fight.

I don’t think anyone here is saying Tyson is going to win (for sure) in a M.M.A. format against the best competition in the world. I do believe however that a prime Tyson with (proper M.M.A. training) could, and would change the course of any M.M.A. fight with his world-class speed, and power, just like Brock Lesnar did with his wrestling.

The whole story of Brock Lesnar is extremely embarassing for MMA quite frankly.

After Floyd Mayweather trash talked the UFC, Dana White showed up at the MGM Grand to offer him a fight with Sean Sherk.

Mayweather had this to say: "I apologize to the UFC, sometimes we say things that we shouldn't have said and I'm man enough to admit that," said Mayweather. "I apologize to the Fertittas, Lorenzo and Dana White. I respect MMA fighters and what they do in the UFC. I have no plans of fighting in mixed martial arts."

Both Royce and Rickson Gracie challenged Mike Tyson, Tyson declined.

Royce's father Helio challenged Ezzard Charles, Primo Carnera and Joe Luis. They all declined, (in Joe Luis' case multiple times as he had multiple offers).

Nowadays the fighters in MMA are just as good and in many cases better grapplers than Royce and Helio were. The difference is that now they're also very well-rounded.

Top boxer in mma = :crucified
Top mixed martial artist in boxing = :crucified

Simple as that.

^ How do you know those aren't just rumors to make the style/sport look good compared to boxing? I'm just sick of people saying **** liek "Oh, Joe Louis declined an offer from Helio Gracie to fight", I mean, really, at the time, who the hell knew what was BJJ? Joe Louis most likely wasn't scared to fight him, he just didn't want to waste his time on something he's never heard of, same goes for the Ezzard Charles and Mike Tyson rumors you told.

^ How do you know those aren't just rumors to make the style/sport look good compared to boxing? I'm just sick of people saying **** liek "Oh, Joe Louis declined an offer from Helio Gracie to fight", I mean, really, at the time, who the hell knew what was BJJ? Joe Louis most likely wasn't scared to fight him, he just didn't want to waste his time on something he's never heard of, same goes for the Ezzard Charles and Mike Tyson rumors you told.

They're pretty well documented. I'm sure you can find some news articles if you try hard enough. Royce himself had an article in the NY times in which he challenged Mike.

Bottom line is, they weren't confident enough to accept.

This is non-related, but Mike actually attends UFC and MMA events all the time.

After Floyd Mayweather trash talked the UFC, Dana White showed up at the MGM Grand to offer him a fight with Sean Sherk.

Mayweather had this to say: "I apologize to the UFC, sometimes we say things that we shouldn't have said and I'm man enough to admit that," said Mayweather. "I apologize to the Fertittas, Lorenzo and Dana White. I respect MMA fighters and what they do in the UFC. I have no plans of fighting in mixed martial arts."

Both Royce and Rickson Gracie challenged Mike Tyson, Tyson declined.

Royce's father Helio challenged Ezzard Charles, Primo Carnera and Joe Luis. They all declined, (in Joe Luis' case multiple times as he had multiple offers).
So just because they declined?
Haha. Don't seem like the boxers were the desperate ones.

Nowadays the fighters in MMA are just as good and in many cases better grapplers than Royce and Helio were. The difference is that now they're also very well-rounded.

Top boxer in mma = :crucified
Top mixed martial artist in boxing = :crucified

Simple as that.





















So just because they declined?
Haha. Don't seem like the boxers were the desperate ones.

Bottom line is, they weren't confident enough to accept.

What's the point of them accepting?
Option 1-Box for millions of dollars.
Option 2- Accept small man's challenge, get no credit for victory, big fallout if you lose, and for basically no money.

What's the point of them accepting?
Option 1-Box for millions of dollars.
Option 2- Accept small man's challenge, get no credit for victory, big fallout if you lose, and for basically no money.

Don't pay this guy no mind. His name is sandwich for godsake.

What's the point of them accepting?
Option 1-Box for millions of dollars.
Option 2- Accept small man's challenge, get no credit for victory, big fallout if you lose, and for basically no money.

I think the offer was 1 million dollars. Small compared to what they would make otherwise. But if they were confident you'd think it would be enough.

Dana White publicly offered Floyd a multi-million dollar fight with Sean Sherk.
Again, small, but enough if they were so confident.

I'm sure there are mixed martial artists who would accept an MMA fight with a top boxer for pennies because they're confident that they would prove their point.

I think the offer was 1 million dollars. Small compared to what they would make otherwise. But if they were confident you'd think it would be enough.

Dana White publicly offered Floyd a multi-million dollar fight with Sean Sherk.
Again, small, but enough if they were so confident.

I'm sure there are mixed martial artists who would accept an MMA fight with a top boxer for pennies because they're confident that they would prove their point.

Point is its boxers to fight in the MMA. There would be boat loads of declines if those boxers said to fight them in a boxing ring. Make sense of it, then reply.

Point is its boxers to fight in the MMA. There would be boat loads of declines if those boxers said to fight them in a boxing ring. Make sense of it, then reply.

When did I say that Mixed Martial Artists would perform well against top boxers under boxing rules? Scroll up to where I said:

Top Mixed Martial Artists in Boxing = :crucified

Top Boxers in MMA = :crucified

Tyson with those pads they use on MMA...any MMA can come with whatever they want and all i see is a nasty hook or uppercut and boom fight over

When did I say that Mixed Martial Artists would perform well against top boxers under boxing rules? Scroll up to where I said:

Top Mixed Martial Artists in Boxing = :crucified

Top Boxers in MMA = :crucified

I read what you said but you're pushing strongly the thing with the boxers not fighting MMA fighter in their rules.

I read what you said but you're pushing strongly the thing with the boxers not fighting MMA fighter in their rules.

I pushed the point because after I brought it up someone called them rumours.

In the punching game most top MMA fighters lack speed and power that boxers can produce, but if the fight hits the floor its all over for the boxer.

Could go either way though hopefully boxer can stay on two feet and knock MMA er out haha.

I believe kicks to his legs wouldn't be to effective, them things are huge on him.

Ah, well that's ok if that's what you believe. I think they'd be more effective on him because he'd have virtually no experience on how to successfully defend them with minimal damage. That **** on the movie Kickboxer was fake, but it's based in truth. Those little ****ers in Thailand actually get to the point of shin kicking banana trees to deaden the nerves and harden the tibias. It's like getting hit full swing with a baseball bat. It's more like working the body in boxing. Not much damage at first (save for the liver shot), but it accumulates over time and basically renders the opponent immobile. You hear boxing trainers saying "invest to the body" constantly. Well think of it as investing to the legs in MMA. Same principle. An MMA fighter well trained in Muay Thai (one who can whip his leg instead of kicking with it) can literally break a femur in one well placed shot, and it's been documented.

And kicks to the head, I just don't see happening, his head movement and reactions are to quick for it and the way he positions his hands is good.
Yeah head kicks are probably only going to get through one out of every 20 times on him. He was always protecting and had very good movement. If nothing else they'd serve to distract him and throw him off which leads to my next point.

I mean, Tyson is just to crazy, you scoop him on the ground, I can just seem him spasing and just punishing with punches even on his back.

That's where I'd disagree the most. I think that once he hit his back he'd do what he could, but he'd be an absolute fish. He'd throw a punch here and there, but wouldn't be able to generate Tyson power with it. I mean, throwing and landing punches from that position would be completely alien to him. He wasn't an arm puncher at all, his entire body was involved when he'd punch, as it is with any great puncher. So having your entire body neutralized would be devastating to his ability. Meanwhile as he's figuring out how to either punch someone with about 10% of his power from a completely vulnerable position or get back on his feet, he's leaving himself completely open to nearly any submission that a decent grappler wants because he's putting himself in bad spots. An arm here, hips there, a leg somewhere else... they're all things a trained BJJ artist looks for in order to exploit. Tyson goes completely defensive and the grappler looks for a finish.

But ya know, this is just my opinion and I'm only saying he'd win IF he had training in MMA before the fight.

I agree, and I also firmly believe that if the MMA fighter allowed Tyson to come in and be the aggressor that it would be a short night for him that he probably wouldn't remember.

After Floyd Mayweather trash talked the UFC, Dana White showed up at the MGM Grand to offer him a fight with Sean Sherk.

Mayweather had this to say: "I apologize to the UFC, sometimes we say things that we shouldn't have said and I'm man enough to admit that," said Mayweather. "I apologize to the Fertittas, Lorenzo and Dana White. I respect MMA fighters and what they do in the UFC. I have no plans of fighting in mixed martial arts."

Both Royce and Rickson Gracie challenged Mike Tyson, Tyson declined.

Royce's father Helio challenged Ezzard Charles, Primo Carnera and Joe Luis. They all declined, (in Joe Luis' case multiple times as he had multiple offers).

Nowadays the fighters in MMA are just as good and in many cases better grapplers than Royce and Helio were. The difference is that now they're also very well-rounded.

Top boxer in mma = :crucified
Top mixed martial artist in boxing = :crucified

Simple as that.

Ummm Lesnar DID except the challenge and he has been raping their best fighters.

The same thing would happen if an MMA guy tried to stand up with a pro-Boxer.

Yeah, he could scoop the Boxer off his feet but any wrestler could do that.

Ummm Lesnar DID except the challenge and he has been raping their best fighters.

The same thing would happen if an MMA guy tried to stand up with a pro-Boxer.

Yeah, he could scoop the Boxer off his feet but any wrestler could do that.

Wrestling is much closer to MMA than boxing.

There've been numerous wrestlers who've made the jump to MMA with very good success, many of whom had little MMA training at the time of their debut.

A good example is Dan Henderson, who debuted in '97--following the '96 olympics--to win the Brazil Open tournament, after which he defeated Alan Goes and Carlos Newton in the same night to win UFC 17, then walked through two competiters in a night to qualify for the Rings King of Kings event, where he went on to defeat Gilbert Yvell, Big Nog, and Renato "Babalu" Sobral successively in the same night to capture the crown. He did this essentially coming straight out of the Olympic wrestling program, and without registering a single loss.

There is a long list of top wrestlers who've found great success in MMA, the same cannot even come close to being said about boxers.

You guys are acting like Tyson didn't have jitz.. anybody see the arm bar he had on Kevin McBride?

A top level MMA dude has to be favourite obviously, but there's always a puncher's chance and Tyson's punch would be lethal.. the guy has to shoot on him to take him down and you know that uppercut is going to land some of the time.. lights out.


and just on the stand up thing.. if you can slip a punch a kick is a ****load easier to slip. i think it was ali who did sparring with a kickboxer and he was just way too elusive for the dude to land any kicks.

Who would do standup with mike anyway? whoever was fighting him would try the takedown and submission immediatly.

Wrestling is much closer to MMA than boxing.

There've been numerous wrestlers who've made the jump to MMA with very good success, many of whom had little MMA training at the time of their debut.

A good example is Dan Henderson, who debuted in '97--following the '96 olympics--to win the Brazil Open tournament, after which he defeated Alan Goes and Carlos Newton in the same night to win UFC 17, then walked through two competiters in a night to qualify for the Rings King of Kings event, where he went on to defeat Gilbert Yvell, Big Nog, and Renato "Babalu" Sobral successively in the same night to capture the crown. He did this essentially coming straight out of the Olympic wrestling program, and without registering a single loss.

There is a long list of top wrestlers who've found great success in MMA, the same cannot even come close to being said about boxers.


My point in briging up Lesnar was to convey the point that MMA guys are inferior to the best wrestlers in wrestling, and inferior to the best boxers (Well actually even inferior to the worst boxers) in striking.

He'd get KO'd by anyone with a decent stand up game. People like Mirko, Fedor, Sylvia, AA, Liddell, etc... would all mop the floor with him.

you are delusional, I'd give Mirko a small chance if he could land the kick (If Tyson didn't duck) those other guys use their fists to much they would get KTFO. Liddel would go down the quickest.

lol @ you giving sylvia a chance

troll!!!!!!!!

My point in briging up Lesnar was to convey the point that MMA guys are inferior to the best wrestlers in wrestling, and inferior to the best boxers (Well actually even inferior to the worst boxers) in striking.

Well, your point is irrelavent because the fact is that wrestlers have tremendous advantages in MMA whereas boxers do not. In fact, a large proportion of MMA fighters either come directly from a wrestling background or have had wrestling experience, and the sport of wrestling has tremendously influenced MMA. Even Chuck Liddell, who is universally regarded as a striker, was a wrestler through college.

Thus, in bringing up Lesnar you are simply drawing a false parallel. Even Jeremy Williams, probably the only high profile boxer to find any degree of success in MMA, was a high school wrestling state champ, and is a blackbealt in Judo. Lesnar is irrelavent to this conversation.

Well, your point is irrelavent because the fact is that wrestlers have tremendous advantages in MMA whereas boxers do not. In fact, a large proportion of MMA fighters either come directly from a wrestling background or have had wrestling experience, and the sport of wrestling has tremendously influenced MMA. Even Chuck Liddell, who is universally regarded as a striker, was a wrestler through college.

Thus, in bringing up Lesnar you are simply drawing a false paralell. Lesnar is irrelavent to this conversation.

So now MMA and the pure sport of wrestling are indistinguishable?

Give me a break.

I stand by what I said, the best wrestlers are better wrestlers than MMA fighters, and the worst boxers are better strikers than MMA guys are.


A wrestler could have dumped a boxer on his head before MMA ever existed.


You want to know something else pathetic?

Couture has been training in "MMA style striking" for 12 years.

Lesnar comes in after preparing for three weeks, or however long he was at it lol, and outstrikes Couture.


Did you ever see how disgusting Tim Sivia and 90% of those guys look when their trying to throw a punch?

It's sad.

So now MMA and the pure sport of wrestling are indistinguishable?

Give me a break.

I stand by what I said, the best wrestlers are better wrestlers than MMA fighters, and the worst boxers are better strikers than MMA guys are.


A wrestler could have dumped a boxer on his head before MMA ever existed.


You want to know something else pathetic?

Couture has been training in "MMA style striking" for 12 years.

Lesnar comes in after preparing for three weeks, or however long he was at it lol, and outstrikes Couture.


Did you ever see how disgusting Tim Sivia and 90% of those guys look when their trying to throw a punch?

It's sad.

For one thing, Lesnar did not out strike Couture, he landed what was essentially a one punch knock out. I'm not saying that it was a lucky punch, but the fact that Couture could even hold his own against Lesnar who was bigger, stronger, younger and more athletic is indeed indicative of his superior technique.

And again, a large portion of MMA fighters are from wrestling backgrounds. Therefore, many would be "pure MMA fighters" in fact do have significant "pure wrestling" experience, so again your argument simply does not make sense. Further, there is a very simple reason for this, wrestlers have a significant advantage in MMA which boxers don't, namely the ability to fight on the ground.

Also, your argument that the worst boxers are better strikers than MMA fighters simply does not hold water. For instance, an 8-1 boxer in KJ Noons was KO'd on his feet from a punch by Brawler Charles Bennett:
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To give you another example, Jens Pulver who is 4-0 in boxing was KO'd by way of a left uppercut from Takanori Gomi:
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To take it one step further, Pulver is himself from a wrestling background, so the fact that he is 4-0 in boxing further blows away your theory that the "worst boxers" are superior strikers to MMA fighters.

Anyways, I'd right more but I gotta wrap it up for now. I'll be around later if you have more to say about it.

Wow, threads like this pop out far too much. Lets summarise,

Boxing Rules- PRIME Tyson wins 10 out of 10 bouts
MMA Rules- Top MMA guy wins 9 out of 10 bouts, the loss would likely be the mma fighter being careless

I'd wager that the worst boxers are better boxers than MMA fighters are, and even that is questionable. But better strikers, absolutely not. There's so much more to striking in MMA than boxing, that much is painfully obvious.

For one thing, Lesnar did not out strike Couture, he landed what was essentially a one punch knock out. I'm not saying that it was a lucky punch, but the fact that Couture could even hold his own against Lesnar who was bigger, stronger, younger and more athletic is indeed indicative of his superior technique.

And again, a large portion of MMA fighters are from wrestling backgrounds. Therefore, many would be "pure MMA fighters" in fact do have significant "pure wrestling" experience, so again your argument simply does not make sense. Further, there is a very simple reason for this, wrestlers have a significant advantage in MMA which boxers don't, namely the ability to fight on the ground.

Also, your argument that the worst boxers are better strikers than MMA fighters simply does not hold water. For instance, an 8-1 boxer in KJ Noons was KO'd on his feet from a punch by Brawler Charles Bennett:
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To give you another example, Jens Pulver who is 4-0 in boxing was KO'd by way of a left uppercut from Takanori Gomi:
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To take it one step further, Pulver is himself from a wrestling background, so the fact that he is 4-0 in boxing further blows away your theory that the "worst boxers" are superior strikers to MMA fighters.

Anyways, I'd right more but I gotta wrap it up for now. I'll be around later if you have more to say about it.

Who is this Crazy Horse guy? is he supposed to be a Boxer? lol


From what i recall, Lesnar was outstriking Couture even before that. Couture did pretty well in the clinch, but everytime they separated he got tagged.

We're supposed to be impressed by the fact that Couture could even hold his own?! Wasn't he supposed to be a better striker?
He has had 12 years to learn how to strike, Lesnar just left a pure wrestling background to get in this thing.

What does that say about MMA instruction in striking?

My bad, I left out the "New" in New England. And it doesn't really matter that he didn't make it into the spotlight. He still has solid technical skills.

I don't think there are many boxers that would fair much better than him. Grappling and takedown defense isn't something that you can pick up in only a year or two.

Even if 3 years training to grapple might keep you on your feet for awhile, eventually you'll get taken down, and that 3 years won't be enough to contend with the people who have been grappling for 10 or 15 or 20 years.

grappling isn't hard to pick up.It's the most natural form of contact

It is much easier than striking and certainly punching

take frank shamrocks word for it he knows

I'd wager that the worst boxers are better boxers than MMA fighters are, and even that is questionable. But better strikers, absolutely not. There's so much more to striking in MMA than boxing, that much is painfully obvious.

Now that I think about it, both of you are right on the point you wrote in the second half of this post. I can't say that the worst boxers are better "strikers" in general than nearly all MMA guys (Considering all that "striking' entails).

Obviously they are better boxers.


However I would take a mid level boxer over most fighters in the UFC in striking in general.

The "If Mike gets a shot in your face, you're either knocked out or dead" rule

Do you believe Ali is the greatest heavyweight ever? If so then that comment is void.

rule everything goes, no biting stay on ya feet.. you can kick choke and melee no gay gorund **** doe1

Haha, you basically took away every MMA fighter's chance for victory. Tyson would destroy them all, but I think CroCop has the best chance of winning. Because that left high kick will take him out even if it doesn't land clean.

Who is this Crazy Horse guy? is he supposed to be a Boxer? lol

No, and that is exactly the point. He is a brawler who knocked a boxer the fvck out by engaging him at his own game.


From what i recall, Lesnar was outstriking Couture even before that. Couture did pretty well in the clinch, but everytime they separated he got tagged.

We're supposed to be impressed by the fact that Couture could even hold his own?! Wasn't he supposed to be a better striker?
He has had 12 years to learn how to strike, Lesnar just left a pure wrestling background to get in this thing.

What does that say about MMA instruction in striking?

To be honest I'd have to rewatch the fight, but I recall Couture getting the better of Lesnar on the feet up until the KO, and he had cut Brock's eye right before Lesnar landed the big punch. I think that Randy tends to get overzealous on his feet which leaves him open to getting knocked out, ala Chuck Liddell.

The point of the comment about Randy holding his own was in reference to the fact that Lesnar had pretty much every advantage physically and athletically, whereas Randy has experience and (indeed) superior technique. I do realize that you can't speak to highly of Couture's performance based on him being kayoed in the first round.

Now that I think about it, both of you are right on the point you wrote in the second half of this post. I can't say that the worst boxers are better "strikers" in general than nearly all MMA guys (Considering all that "striking' entails).

Obviously they are better boxers.


However I would take a mid level boxer over most fighters in the UFC in striking in general.

If the worst boxers are superior boxers to MMA fighters how do you explain Jens Pulver going 4-0 in boxing?

For that matter, how would you account for Antonio Rogerio Nogueira ("Little Nog") winning the South American games and placing 3rd at the Pan-Ams at super heavyweight, falling only to the Cuban?

Hell, Andre Arlovski could perhaps become a mid-level prospect in his own right (we should find out if he has potential soon enough, as he's suppose to be making his pro debut). Arlovski definitely has good hands.

rule everything goes, no biting stay on ya feet.. you can kick choke and melee no gay gorund **** doe1

no gay ground ****? well its not MMA, so if its a stand up where ya can kick choke and punch, the guy who can kick and punch and choke would win.

ANY boxers loses to a guy who does MMA who are that the same level i.e Mike Tyson would lose to Anyone in top 5 heavyweight

If the worst boxers are superior boxers to MMA fighters how do you explain Jens Pulver going 4-0 in boxing?

For that matter, how would you account for Antonio Rogerio Nogueira ("Little Nog") winning the South American games and placing 3rd at the Pan-Ams at super heavyweight, falling only to the Cuban?

Hell, Andre Arlovski could perhaps become a mid-level prospect in his own right (we should find out if he has potential soon enough, as he's suppose to be making his pro debut). Arlovski definitely has good hands.

Well if Pulver trained to go pro and actually found 4 pro-Boxers somewhere that were worse than he was I actually applaud him, that is impressive for an MMA guy. Now if he scored knockouts it dosen't necessarily mean that he was more skilled than those guys...whoever they were, but that he was skilled enough to land on them with some superior power, which I will say is still impressive for an MMA guy.


Andre Arlovski mid level Boxer? Hahaha, O.k. let's all watch this together.

Vitor Belfort long ago, who was far more impressive than Arlovski with his hands in his prime, was supposed to go pro too. It never happened.

no gay ground ****? well its not MMA, so if its a stand up where ya can kick choke and punch, the guy who can kick and punch and choke would win.

ANY boxers loses to a guy who does MMA who are that the same level i.e Mike Tyson would lose to Anyone in top 5 heavyweight

Fantasies are nice aren't they?

Vitor Belfort long ago, who was far more impressive than Arlovski with his hands in his prime, was supposed to go pro too. It never happened.

Vitor is a bad example, he was "supposed" to do all kinds of ****. Personal problems really kept him from being 100% throughout his career. He looks better now, but the max potential Vitor is always going to be an "if only" case.

So now MMA and the pure sport of wrestling are indistinguishable?

Give me a break.

I stand by what I said, the best wrestlers are better wrestlers than MMA fighters, and the worst boxers are better strikers than MMA guys are.

There are quite a few former olympic wrestlers competing in MMA who have made it to the podium. There are even a few Mixed Martial Artists who have evolved so well as wrestlers that they have been offered spots on olympic teams (look at Georges St. Pierre).

Gotta disagree with the boxing comment. The worst boxers would be out classed by the boxing of fighters like Penn, GSP, Alves, etc. Obviously the best boxers will outclass the best strikers in a boxing match. But I disagree that they are better strikers.

The best strikers in MMA against the best boxers under MMA striking rules. Where they can punch, kick, elbow, knee, shoulder-strike, foot stomp, dirty box, and use the Thai plum would favour the best Mixed Martial Arts strikers in my opinion. Fighters like Anderson Silva would overwhelm boxers if they were allowed to use all their tools. If Silva got a boxer in his plum, the only thing the boxer is going to get out of that is a broken nose and some tweaked ribs.

A wrestler could have dumped a boxer on his head before MMA ever existed.

You want to know something else pathetic?

Couture has been training in "MMA style striking" for 12 years.

Lesnar comes in after preparing for three weeks, or however long he was at it lol, and outstrikes Couture.

Actually, Lesnar trained MMA for about 3 years before that fight. And Couture has always been more of a wrestler, dirty boxer, and ground and pound fighter. Though he does have solid striking and has shown that against other fighters in the past. But Couture fought a NATURAL 275 pound heavyweight when he is a natural 205 pounder. The striking for the most part was relatively even. If Lesnar did not have a 10 INCH!! reach advantage I think Couture would have clearly beaten him on the feet.


Did you ever see how disgusting Tim Sivia and 90% of those guys look when their trying to throw a punch?

90% is very exaggerated. And Tim Sylvia is just an ugly fighter period. He's got a pouch of skin hanging from his abdomen, he's got a hunch-back, and his legs point out from his knees at odd angles and look weird as hell. He's a 7 foot tall freak. (I don't hate him though).

Also worth pointing out, striking in MMA will never look like it does in boxing. There's the obvious reason, they don't just punch. But there's other less obvious reasons. Mixed Martial Artists don't bob and weave as much as boxers do because it makes it easy to tag them with a knee or a shin to the head.

Their stance needs to allow them to sprawl against takedowns, and spring for takedowns. As well as block leg kicks and prevent trips. They don't have the big boxing gloves so they can't cover the faces as well as boxers. And they need to be prepared to cover up knees and kicks, etc.

It's sad.

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I believe Mike was challenged by Helio or one of the Gracie's when Mike was in his prime. Not sure what the response was.

In any case, I'd have to say that if Mike were to compete under mma rules back in his prime, he may have been beaten by a very good mma fighter.

The reason is, even back in the day Gracie JiuJitsu experts were taking on fighters of all styles, including boxers.

A GJJ stylist would have known to shoot for Mike's legs being aware of Mike's knockout power while trying to avoid any head shots. They would know that Mike would be head hunting from the get, and would immediately try to take him down to limit his ability to throw a punch with power.

There should be no doubt that if Mike connected with a solid shot before he was taken down, that his mma opponent would suffer a knock down or KO.

Against an inexperienced mma fighter, Mike may have succeeded.

But on the ground, Mike would only try to keep punching since that was his forte, but his body and limbs would be limited to struggling and he would eventually be choked out.

This is a sensible post.

Can you imagine if Tyson would have come across a good wrestler like a prime Kerr or Randy, they would just cover up clinch and take him down. His only real chance would be if they got sloppy on the way in.

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Yeah I excluded Silva and St Pierre from alot of my comments earlier.

Gotta disagree with the boxing comment. The worst boxers would be out classed by the boxing of fighters like Penn, GSP, Alves, etc. Obviously the best boxers will outclass the best strikers in a boxing match. But I disagree that they are better strikers.

I don't see Penn standing in there with a real lower tier Boxer. I'm not familiar with Alves.


The best strikers in MMA against the best boxers under MMA striking rules. Where they can punch, kick, elbow, knee, shoulder-strike, foot stomp, dirty box, and use the Thai plum would favour the best Mixed Martial Arts strikers in my opinion. Fighters like Anderson Silva would overwhelm boxers if they were allowed to use all their tools. If Silva got a boxer in his plum, the only thing the boxer is going to get out of that is a broken nose and some tweaked ribs.


You're smart to use Silva in your example. He and St Pierre would have a good chance against a skilled boxer in a context where every type of strike is permitted. The thing, is the majority of the MMA ranks are filled with guys like Liddel and Silvia, not Silva and St Pierre.



Actually, Lesnar trained MMA for about 3 years before that fight. And Couture has always been more of a wrestler, dirty boxer, and ground and pound fighter. Though he does have solid striking and has shown that against other fighters in the past. But Couture fought a NATURAL 275 pound heavyweight when he is a natural 205 pounder. The striking for the most part was relatively even. If Lesnar did not have a 10 INCH!! reach advantage I think Couture would have clearly beaten him on the feet.

Guess I'll have to check it out again, I could have swore I saw Lesnar getting the best of Couture during most of that fight in the stand up and Couture actually doing pretty well in the clinch.

Maybe Lesnar was preparing for 3 years but Couture had 12 years to obtain a striking advantage over him, and that is not even counting the preparation he got prior to stepping in the octagon (Which is what we are counting with Lesnar).

you are delusional, I'd give Mirko a small chance if he could land the kick (If Tyson didn't duck) those other guys use their fists to much they would get KTFO. Liddel would go down the quickest.

lol @ you giving sylvia a chance

Lol

A small chance? He'd completely demolish Tyson.

This thread is ridiculous.

Lol

A small chance? He'd completely demolish Tyson.

This thread is ridiculous.

Let's review once again shall we?

Cro cop got kicked in the head and knocked out by a JUIJITSU expert!

When Mike Tyson get's knocked out with a left hook from Hulk Hogan, or some wrestler, then you can make this comparison again.


Apples shouldn't have even given him a chance in a match against Mike Tyson.


You modern MMA guys seriously need some perspective.

The way I see it is like this. Prime Tyson, wearing those MMA gloves would put ANY MMAer to sleep with one punch, possibly kill them, i'm not kidding. People say "oh yeah well mma guy x would take tyson down, maybe, but are you saying that Tyson wont get a shot in, because i'm telling you he will, and mma guy x has a very bad headache for a few weeks after he wakes up out of his coma.

The way I see it is like this. Prime Tyson, wearing those MMA gloves would put ANY MMAer to sleep with one punch, possibly kill them, i'm not kidding. People say "oh yeah well mma guy x would take tyson down, maybe, but are you saying that Tyson wont get a shot in, because i'm telling you he will, and mma guy x has a very bad headache for a few weeks after he wakes up out of his coma.

I have to back them up on this.

If it's standing on the feet then it it is a joke, no MMA guy could give Tyson any play, period. If anyone thinks anything else their delusional.

But grapplers rush in and shoot very low at their opponents legs to take them down in an instant. Tyson couldn't even really land a clean punch on a target that low rushing in like that. Modern MMA fighters do stand in front of one another and duke it out for a while, but go back to old school MMA with Royce Gracie and you will see what the strategy would be if they were fighting someone like Tyson. No playing around, just in and down. One of the reasons modern MMA guys do stand and duke it out with one another so long is because they know the person in front of them is no where near as dangerous as a Mike Tyson (And he also may be able to grapple as well or better than they can).

Royce always rushed in right away because he didn't know how to fight on his feet and he didn't want to get hurt. Any modern MMA guy that knew how to grapple would be in basically the same position with a Mike Tyson

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damn some of you folks are ignorant when it comes to mma!!
Tyson was a superior boxer, thats it!
he would get killed in the ring with some of guys you try to compare him to.

Tyson used to hang out with Tito at some of the ufc events, actually he was interviewed and asked if he could take Tito. Tyson said he had the deepest respect for the mma fighters, and that he would´nt last one round against Tito. Just to inform some of you that apparently does´nt know **** about mma, there´s alot of guys who are bigger, badder, stronger and eats Tito for breakfast.

no mma fighter would stand and trade punches with Mike, they would take him down and finish him off as soon as the bell rang.
no boxer stands a chance against a well skilled mma fighter, just look at the boxers who tried to fight K1, and you think the got a chance in mma???

I actually had a lot fights myself, both boxing, muay thai and mma and I´m shocked that you folks does´nt know better when you spend your time on a site like this!? it´s like saying I think Andy Roddick would beat De la Hoya in boxing because he can serve 250 km/h!! stupid ****...

I don't see Penn standing in there with a real lower tier Boxer. I'm not familiar with Alves.

Freddie Roach even called Penn a great boxer. I think he'd do well against a lot of middle tier boxers in his weight class.


You're smart to use Silva in your example. He and St Pierre would have a good chance against a skilled boxer in a context where every type of strike is permitted. The thing, is the majority of the MMA ranks are filled with guys like Liddel and Silvia, not Silva and St Pierre.


Well, this thread is comparing a prime Mike Tyson against mixed martial artists. What's wrong with listing good Mixed Martial Artists? There are some solid strikers in MMA. In fact, GSP isn't even the best striker in his weight class. He is a great striker, but he clearly relies more on his wrestling and jiu jitsu than he does his striking.

As for Liddell; he has always had issues with keeping his hands too low, especially his left. He likes to throw a lot of hooks and looping punches that sometimes leave him open (look at the Rampage fight). But he hits very hard, is very accurate with his punches, and is a good counter puncher. He's got great take-down defense, great wrestling, and good Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

I wouldn't go as far as too say that he is a bad striker. It's just that whenever he faces someone who is more technical than him, they make him pay for his bad habits. I definitely wouldn't put him on the list of best strikers in MMA. Especially now when he is very clearly nowhere near the top of the division anymore.

Guess I'll have to check it out again, I could have swore I saw Lesnar getting the best of Couture during most of that fight in the stand up and Couture actually doing pretty well in the clinch.

Maybe Lesnar was preparing for 3 years but Couture had 12 years to obtain a striking advantage over him, and that is not even counting the preparation he got prior to stepping in the octagon (Which is what we are counting with Lesnar).


I remember thinking Lesnar got the better of him during the standup. I watched it again, and I still think Lesnar did. But to be honest they weren't THAT far apart with regards to punching (the knees Lesnar threw were brutal). It's just that Lesnar has hams for fists so whenever his punches connected they were clearly hitting with more force than Couture's. Again, a 10 inch reach differential is pretty substantial. I don't think I've ever seen a reach difference that large in MMA prior to this fight.

Yes, Couture did fairly well against the cage considering the weight and strength difference. He has very good Greco Roman wrestling.

Also, I'm surprised your reply was so mature. I haven't been on this forum for long, but so far people seem to grow quite angry whenever I express an opinion different to theirs.

So you are saying Prime Tyson gets taken down and submitted without even landing one punch? Bull**** he does, you guys are dreamers.

good luck to you.

So you are saying Prime Tyson gets taken down and submitted without even landing one punch? Bull**** he does, you guys are dreamers.

good luck to you.

Someone with a great natural ability to change levels and excellent grappling would be able to do it. Just make Tyson chase and get the attack timed perfectly.

damn some of you folks are ignorant when it comes to mma!!
Tyson was a superior boxer, thats it!
he would get killed in the ring with some of guys you try to compare him to.

Tyson used to hang out with Tito at some of the ufc events, actually he was interviewed and asked if he could take Tito. Tyson said he had the deepest respect for the mma fighters, and that he would´nt last one round against Tito. Just to inform some of you that apparently does´nt know **** about mma, there´s alot of guys who are bigger, badder, stronger and eats Tito for breakfast.

no mma fighter would stand and trade punches with Mike, they would take him down and finish him off as soon as the bell rang.
no boxer stands a chance against a well skilled mma fighter, just look at the boxers who tried to fight K1, and you think the got a chance in mma???

I actually had a lot fights myself, both boxing, muay thai and mma and I´m shocked that you folks does´nt know better when you spend your time on a site like this!? it´s like saying I think Andy Roddick would beat De la Hoya in boxing because he can serve 250 km/h!! stupid ****...

Most of the posters you're talking about are from the boxing section of the forum.

^^^^^^^^^^

well it is called "Boxing" scene

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well it is called "Boxing" scene

And you're posting in "Mixed Martial Arts" discussion

man! this thread is still alive...tyson was a great BOXER....... but 8 out of 10 times he will lose to an expert MMA fighter under MMA rules.

as for boxing rules.... tyson all the way..

a prime Tyson would have been a force in mma with proper training. But if you just take the boxer mike and put him against any mma, I don't think he'd win all the time.

There is a guy in MMA right now that is kind of similar to a prime tyson. His name is Melvin Manhoef.

There is a guy in MMA right now that is kind of similar to a prime tyson. His name is Melvin Manhoef.

You mean because he has no ground game?? :rofl:

No, it's cause of the agressive nature and the build. Melvin would be nearly unstoppable if he was great on the ground.

Here's a video of Melvin for anyone that has never seen the man fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp-lA3gfHKI

No, it's cause of the agressive nature and the build. Melvin would be nearly unstoppable if he was great on the ground.



Yeah I was kidding, I agree with you too. If he had a great sprawl and could escape a greco type clinch I'd pick him to beat a lot of top 10 MW's in the UFC since he's a 185'er now (a smart move for him). But he doesn't, and the lack of great wrestling overseas would probably spell his doom were he to come stateside. Still, he's a maniac and so fun to watch. His fight with Cyborg was just pandemonium.

It's up there with Tyson vs Douglas as the best fight I've ever seen. The ending is incredible.

The only way Tyson could lose if one of those Mixed Martial "Artists" grinds a ball into his mouth and submits him by technical humiliation.

It's up there with Tyson vs Douglas as the best fight I've ever seen. The ending is incredible.

I thought he killed Sakuraba with that knee and all the face beating, I literally felt my stomach turn. Latest stoppage ever.

Mike Tyson in his prime beas every man woman child or primate

read the first 2 pages before i got raged. you are all so ****ing stupid it amazes me. especially that ugly nlgger who made this thread

I thought this was already established : With boxing rules, the boxer wins. With MMA rules, the MMA'er wins.

On a side note, I'd feel horrible for anybody who had to take a shot from a prime Tyson with those smaller, MMA gloves on. The guy would need to write his ****ing will before climbing into the ring/cage.

Good to see everybody is still debating Boxers vs. MMA'ers though.

Since we're all still hung up on fantasy matches we'll never see, what about Joe Frazier vs. Dana White? You know, since Dana was a boxer and all............

Mike Tyson in his prime beas every man woman child or primate

Yeah he "beas" em, but he dosen't beat them; especially various other Boxers.