That's all I really have to say about that matter. Join or not, but don't pout about how it sucks, just listen to the **** you like. Not like that stuff is going to be erased by current HipHop off your cd's.

That **** is actually funny.. some of you guys ***** about the state of HipHop but music listeners aren't robots, they listen to who they like. If one of those ol' school rappers they like a lot they would still be poppin', no questions asked.

You guys should be in rejoice that rap is evolving, it shows independence and uniqueness. All can't be the same if so this could be a boring ass world. Everything changes, so whining about how HipHop has gone down and such then tell your favorite rappers that are alive to do something. They're sitting low *****ing like you guys are.

That's all. :luvbed:

That's all I really have to say about that matter. Join or not, but don't pout about how it sucks, just listen to the **** you like. Not like that stuff is going to be erased by current HipHop off your cd's.

That **** is actually funny.. some of you guys ***** about the state of HipHop but music listeners aren't robots, they listen to who they like. If one of those ol' school rappers they like a lot they would still be poppin', no questions asked.

You guys should be in rejoice that rap is evolving, it shows independence and uniqueness. All can't be the same if so this could be a boring ass world. Everything changes, so whining about how HipHop has gone down and such then tell your favorite rappers that are alive to do something. They're sitting low *****ing like you guys are.

That's all. :luvbed:


When something evolves (atleast in the way you seem to be using the word) it improves, it dosen't just change. Is Hip Hop improving?

When something evolves (atleast in the way you seem to be using the word) it improves, it dosen't just change. Is Hip Hop improving?

Maybe not in your eyes, in a lot of others? Yes it is. When things decline in rap and it becomes a so called " rap recession" then holla back. Real talk though.

When it comes to the mainstream,

the quality of the music and the redundancy of the acts are stale.

However, there are quality acts putting out great music still.


But its just not in the mainstream. You just have to find it.


You're lying to yourself if you think Hiphop is in peak form right now.

When it comes to the mainstream,

the quality of the music and the redundancy of the acts are stale.

However, there are quality acts putting out great music still.


But its just not in the mainstream. You just have to find it.


You're lying to yourself if you think Hiphop is in peak form right now.

That's your opinion, in HipHop mainstream will always have a say on what is going on, no matter what. To you it may not be at its peak. Let me ask you? When was it at its peak? I'm sure someone would disagree with you.:):)

That’s OK! I think the people on this board that think Kobe Bryant is better than Jordan are just living in the present.:dance::dance::dance:

It's all opinion man!:headbang:

Maybe 15 years from now you might think the state of Hip Hop sucks. Will that mean you are living in the past?

That's your opinion, in HipHop mainstream will always have a say on what is going on, no matter what. To you it may not be at its peak. Let me ask you? When was it at its peak? I'm sure someone would disagree with you.:):)
Just as your original post is your opinion, so whats your point?

To answer your question,
early 90s easily. There was a balance in what was being played. At any given moment you could hear "Aint Nothing but a G Thang", "Award Tour", " Foe the Love of $", "Indosmoke", "93 til Infinity", "My Minds Playing Tricks on Me", Whoomp There It Is", "Baby Got Back", "Today Was a Good Day", etc.
many different styles by many different artists, all on regular rotation.


And I'm sure most who would disagree with me, are part of this new generation that was barely being born in that era.

If u really really have to find the music it just shows there's not enough good music. Mainstream or not it just sux. I made beats for years now and loved it. But recently i just don't feel like it because of the hatred im starting to get from just knowing what is hot today. I'm only 24 years old and it sucks how these new artist stink it up and how old artist are becoming worse and worse. If older artist are ****ty and the new artist are to then wtf do have to look forward to? Hip hop evolving hahaha get out of here,just getting worse

Just as your original post is your opinion, so whats your point?

To answer your question,
early 90s easily. There was a balance in what was being played. At any given moment you could hear "Aint Nothing but a G Thang", "Award Tour", " Foe the Love of $", "Indosmoke", "93 til Infinity", "My Minds Playing Tricks on Me", Whoomp There It Is", "Baby Got Back", "Today Was a Good Day", etc.
many different styles by many different artists, all on regular rotation.


And I'm sure most who would disagree with me, are part of this new generation that was barely being born in that era.

My point was if you don't like it don't continue to complain, just listen to what you like. Just because a hand full of ppl say it's dying doesn't mean it is. Just the taste for them.

The 90's was a good era of music but some might disagree, chorus is a big part of this new generation of music so it can be different for others.

If u really really have to find the music it just shows there's not enough good music. Mainstream or not it just sux. I made beats for years now and loved it. But recently i just don't feel like it because of the hatred im starting to get from just knowing what is hot today. I'm only 24 years old and it sucks how these new artist stink it up and how old artist are becoming worse and worse. If older artist are ****ty and the new artist are to then wtf do have to look forward to? Hip hop evolving hahaha get out of here,just getting worse

Your opinion also. See? That's not all too bad. I bet there are ppl that think this is the best generation of HipHop. Now are they stupid because they don't like or agree with what you think? No. In my opinion, when record sells suddenly collapse( Which since the U.S. is in a recession, it should have been) then we have a issue. A big one, but that hasn't occurred yet. It's easy for ppl not to buy a cd. They're not forced by gun.

i dont think you realise the meaning of rap.. what is it rhythm and POETRY? rhythmic african POETRY? im not sure, all i know is it's got POETRY in the end
''Superman that hoe, YOUUUUU
Crank that soulja boy, YOUUUU'' if that's poetry then i dunno man.
i dont even consider half of this new **** rap

poem definition:
A verbal composition designed to convey experiences, ideas, or emotions in a vivid and imaginative way, characterized by the use of language chosen for its sound and suggestive power and by the use of literary techniques such as meter, metaphor, and rhyme.

soulja boy hardly even rhymes...and he calls him self the best rapper alive

Why do you care about people complaining? You must have caught feelings. :burnout:

i get the feelin this thread was directed at me...:D

Golden Era= Early 90s it is. 92-95 to be exact. Hip hop is an art form, rapping is one part of it. Are you a rap fan or are you into hip hip? People who have a problem with today's rap music primarily came up in an era of hip hop, when people were extending themselves artistically are trying NOT to say what the next man says. Originality was a must whether its about battling, storytelling, or painting pictures with your words. Now originality is non existent in the mainstream, everyone sounds the same and complexity isn't there. Dudes songs are like kids talking on a playground: (see Jim Jones)

People who don't have a problem with today's mainstream rap grew up on rap that was all about money and ho's, **** that lacks originality and is not trying to expand the boundaries of the art form, just the boundaries of their bank accounts. Every coast sounds the same now!!! Unheard of!

I don't see how you can say it's better off now. It seems kind of dumb. The lyrics have gotten weaker and the beats have begun to get sort of generic.

And add that record sales are very very poor for a majority of artists now. You got guys struggling to sell 100k records. What's so good? It's good Weezy sold but that doesn't mean rap as a whole is better Versy.

i dont think you realise the meaning of rap.. what is it rhythm and POETRY? rhythmic african POETRY? im not sure, all i know is it's got POETRY in the end
''Superman that hoe, YOUUUUU
Crank that soulja boy, YOUUUU'' if that's poetry then i dunno man.
i dont even consider half of this new **** rap

poem definition:
A verbal composition designed to convey experiences, ideas, or emotions in a vivid and imaginative way, characterized by the use of language chosen for its sound and suggestive power and by the use of literary techniques such as meter, metaphor, and rhyme.

soulja boy hardly even rhymes...and he calls him self the best rapper alive

Haha. You can't take a few songs and say this is why HipHop is dying. I can do that to any generation of rap if I thoroughly thought about it.haha

Why do you care about people complaining? You must have caught feelings. :burnout:

When I receive some of that rap money then I'd be catching feelings, until then?...

Golden Era= Early 90s it is. 92-95 to be exact. Hip hop is an art form, rapping is one part of it. Are you a rap fan or are you into hip hip? People who have a problem with today's rap music primarily came up in an era of hip hop, when people were extending themselves artistically are trying NOT to say what the next man says. Originality was a must whether its about battling, storytelling, or painting pictures with your words. Now originality is non existent in the mainstream, everyone sounds the same and complexity isn't there. Dudes songs are like kids talking on a playground: (see Jim Jones)

People who don't have a problem with today's mainstream rap grew up on rap that was all about money and ho's, **** that lacks originality and is not trying to expand the boundaries of the art form, just the boundaries of their bank accounts. Every coast sounds the same now!!! Unheard of!

Well I dunno about most of the coasts sounded the same. I see east moving over a little though.

Okay versey lemme break this down for u

90's

30% of white american youth purchased rap CDs

2001-present

75% of white american youth purchased rap Cd's

You say we are living in the past, well the past is where the substance is.

with the new influx of rappers, (Dream,t-pain,Ace Hood, etc) anybody thats debuted in recent times is geared to simplicity.(money,cars,ho's,clothes)

and now the level of talent is falling and u blame us for living in the past? even the greatest hip hop heads are saying hip hop is dying and is now dead. You can not sit behind your monitor and tell me the 2000's hip hop is better then the 90's?

stop trying to make this argument, u will not win

Haha. You can't take a few songs and say this is why HipHop is dying. I can do that to any generation of rap if I thoroughly thought about it.haha

Dawg this generation is dead

There is one hot line or multi in every 20 songs

as opposed to everytime u flip on a track in the GA

Maybe not in your eyes, in a lot of others? Yes it is.


I think they all live in the South. Even many people outside of the South that listen to that stuff wouldn't say that Hip Hop is improving.

It has less variety than it ever has. When something improves it dosen't loose things, it adds to what it already has.

When things decline in rap and it becomes a so called " rap recession" then holla back. Real talk though.


Do you mean financially? lol what else would you mean.

Well Hip Hop sales have been going down for a while, hitting lows they hadn't seen in ten years. That shouldn't happen given more people know about and are exposed to Hip Hop than ever before.

I guess you're saying when Hip Hop completely falls apart (Like Hard Rock did 20 years ago) then you want me to holla. Cool, but it will be too late then.

"Real Talk" dosen't exist anymore, how could it when you can buy it off.

Okay versey lemme break this down for u

90's

30% of white american youth purchased rap CDs

2001-present

75% of white american youth purchased rap Cd's

You say we are living in the past, well the past is where the substance is.

with the new influx of rappers, (Dream,t-pain,Ace Hood, etc) anybody thats debuted in recent times is geared to simplicity.(money,cars,ho's,clothes)

and now the level of talent is falling and u blame us for living in the past? even the greatest hip hop heads are saying hip hop is dying and is now dead. You can not sit behind your monitor and tell me the 2000's hip hop is better then the 90's?

stop trying to make this argument, u will not win

I forgot which president it was but one president said that that's all rap is. Money,cars,hoes. That was in the 90's. Someone's opinion is their opinion. Also no argument starting here, if you guys get bent out of shape over this then you guys need to correct your issues. Trying to win? Win what???? hahaha

so why would u bring u a thread of this nature. u know hip hop is dead?

and now u wanna rouse the people into an argument

I think they all live in the South. Even many people outside of the South that listen to that stuff wouldn't say that Hip Hop is improving.

It has less variety than it ever has. When something improves it dosen't loose things, it adds to what it already has.




Do you mean financially? lol what else would you mean.

Well Hip Hop sales have been going down for a while, hitting lows they hadn't seen in ten years. That shouldn't happen given more people know about and are exposed to Hip Hop than ever before.

I guess you're saying when Hip Hop completely falls apart (Like Hard Rock did 20 years ago) then you want me to holla. Cool, but it will be too late then.

"Real Talk" dosen't exist anymore, how could it when you can buy it off.

Some rap out there, ok, it isn't up to par. But you guys are basing a lot of stuff on mainstream. Ppl are still putting music with meaning, it's just not being exposed.

so why would u bring u a thread of this nature. u know hip hop is dead?

and now u wanna rouse the people into an argument

In all honesty. I think you're the only one aroused. haha.

I forgot which president it was but one president said that that's all rap is. Money,cars,hoes.

All opinions are not equal, for example, the opinion of someone who dosen't actually listen to what their judging. I think 99% of politicians can be put in that category.

All opinions are not equal, for example, the opinion of someone who dosen't actually listen to what their judging. I think 99% of politicians can be put in that category.

BINGO:headbang::headbang::headbang:

In all honesty. I think you're the only one aroused. haha.

Your arguments are all over the place though.

First you say its evolving, but can't explain why.
Then you say its shows independence which doesn't even make sense.
And lastly you say its unique. What is unique about what is deemed Hiphop anymore?

The majority of listeners are mainstream fans and have no idea about anything else that isn't on the radio.

But you guys are basing a lot of stuff on mainstream.


That's your opinion, in HipHop mainstream will always have a say on what is going on, no matter what.

a perfect example of you straddling the fence and being all over the place.


If you can't see the difference in the mainstream today versus 15+ years ago, all I have to do is point at your age. 10-12 years ago, you were barely getting into music on a serious level. 97-99 is when the decline started. When the terms "hater" and "get that money" became mantras in Hiphop.

All opinions are not equal, for example, the opinion of someone who dosen't actually listen to what their judging. I think 99% of politicians can be put in that category.

Same can be said about the ppl that aren't listening to the quality of music not on the radio,YET say that HipHop is dead off of radio and T.V.

it's not about who's doing it now, and how many old faces have disappeared. it's about the quality of the music being featured. In the mid-late 90's,on the radio, you could hear

this song:

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then this:

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then this:

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then this:

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there was different kinds of songs, diversity in styles and sounds. Now, my complaint about the state of hip hop is, 99% of the **** featured on the radio or bet/mtv sounds so similar and recycled, that it's hard to tell who's who and what's what. It's redundant, which leaves room for a lot of boring ass, repetitive music. I don't live in the past, I check for new music daily, but if you are familiar with the music that was being released in the late 80's and 90's, then can surely identify the FACT that the majority of mainstream hip hop is repetitive. Even if you enjoy it, you have to admit, it's redundant and frequently recycled.

there was different kinds of songs, diversity in styles and sounds. Now, my complaint about the state of hip hop is, 99% of the **** featured on the radio or bet/mtv sounds so similar and recycled, that it's hard to tell who's who and what's what. It's redundant, which leaves room for a lot of boring ass, repetitive music. I don't live in the past, I check for new music daily, but if you are familiar with the music that was being released in the late 80's and 90's, then can surely identify the FACT that the majority of mainstream hip hop is repetitive. Even if you enjoy it, you have to admit, it's redundant and frequently recycled.

I just bumped that Blu and Exile last night.

:headbang:


There is quality music out there. I think the problem most people have, is the representation of what Hiphop is, and the mainstream only caters to one style these days.

Your arguments are all over the place though.

First you say its evolving, but can't explain why.
Then you say its shows independence which doesn't even make sense.
And lastly you say its unique. What is unique about what is deemed Hiphop anymore?

The majority of listeners are mainstream fans and have no idea about anything else that isn't on the radio. [/COLOR][/B]






a perfect example of you straddling the fence and being all over the place.


If you can't see the difference in the mainstream today versus 15+ years ago, all I have to do is point at your age. 10-12 years ago, you were barely getting into music on a serious level. 97-99 is when the decline started. When the terms "hater" and "get that money" became mantras in Hiphop.

I think there is more fans of HipHop in all races then it was some years ago, reason I said evolving. It's unique because what was played 10 or so years ago is a total 180 degree on what's playing now. I say independence because I don't think rappers really care what ppl think. They're going to throw out what they think is good. Of course some just go with the crowd though, as is with all era's of HipHop.

Also I myself RARELY listen to the radio but I know a lot of ppl that do. You are right there when you say they really don't know what else is out there because they're on the radio too much.

I mean saying HipHop is dead is one's opinion what it boils down to.

I think there is more fans of HipHop in all races then it was some years ago, reason I said evolving. It's unique because what was played 10 or so years ago is a total 180 degree on what's playing now. I say independence because I don't think rappers really care what ppl think. They're going to throw out what they think is good. Of course some just go with the crowd though, as is with all era's of HipHop.

Also I myself RARELY listen to the radio but I know a lot of ppl that do. You are right there when you say they really don't know what else is out there because they're on the radio too much.

I mean saying HipHop is dead is one's opinion what it boils down to.

There have been Hiphop fans worldwide of all races since the 80s man. That isn't evolving. 10 years ago, the style was different from the 10 years before that. I wouldn't call that unique, and rappers have never cared about what people thought, its what made Hiphop, HIPHOP. And, no, they're not throwing out what they do because they think its good, they do it for money.


So you'll know, I've never been one to say HHID, because its a ridiculous notion to begin with. It was a gimmick by Nas to garner sales. Hiphop in its purest form will always live, just as every music genre has.

Now enjoy this video. .

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I love hip hop and always will, I think what it needs is the younger guys who are stepping foot into the game they need to follow the paths that were paven by the veterans...
And at the same time we need some of these Heavyweights to start puttin on people around them who really are talented.
I would just like to see guys like Jay and Nas to help get some up and coming guys in the game who can carry the torches when theyre gone ya feel me??

There have been Hiphop fans worldwide of all races since the 80s man. That isn't evolving. 10 years ago, the style was different from the 10 years before that. I wouldn't call that unique, and rappers have never cared about what people thought, its what made Hiphop, HIPHOP. And, no, they're not throwing out what they do because they think its good, they do it for money.


So you'll know, I've never been one to say HHID, because its a ridiculous notion to begin with. It was a gimmick by Nas to garner sales. Hiphop in its purest form will always live, just as every music genre has.

Now enjoy this video. .

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I'm glad you said Nas said that just to get sales. I've been saying that for awhie.

only a few people were saying "hip-hop was dead" or "hip-hop sucks right now" before nas said it, it just shows how much of sheep we are declaring "hip-hop is dead" just because nas stated it... if Hip-hop still has it essence and veterens keep doing what their doing then hip-hop has gone any where...

Lil Wayne, T.I. and everyone into that auto tune are just there for the money they don't care about the well being or the quality of music they put out so i wouldn't consider them hip-hop just rappers...

only a few people were saying "hip-hop was dead" or "hip-hop sucks right now" before nas said it, it just shows how much of sheep we are declaring "hip-hop is dead" just because nas stated it... if Hip-hop still has it essence and veterens keep doing what their doing then hip-hop has gone any where...

Lil Wayne, T.I. and everyone into that auto tune are just there for the money they don't care about the well being or the quality of music they put out so i wouldn't consider them hip-hop just rappers...

Isn't that the truth, just followers that don't realize they're followers.

Isn't that the truth, just followers that don't realize they're followers.

That's the ironic thing about the kids that keep these mostly uncreative and repetitive jokes making money on BET.

That's the ironic thing about the kids that keep these mostly uncreative and repetitive jokes making money on BET.

I mean, yeah. Some ppl making music now just suck like that song"Stanky leg" that is horrible. I guess it's more about dancing though.

This thread is so dumb. Nas didn't have to state hip hop was dead for people to see it. The game has gotten stale for quite some time.

Most of the time I only check for about 3 or 4 artists now with albums. It took me like 6 months to finally even give Jeezy's album a chance.

The game is in a drought there is no more excitement with the exception for a few. Beef is dead, I don't really care for collabs anymore because those are so played out. Then you have remixes which are ****ed now because Wayne is on all of them.

Look at some of the actual hip hop **** too. Redman and Meth were gone for 4 to 5 years. EPMD was gone and basically done for good. Mos Def stopped rapping and dropped a crap album. Ras Kass was incarcerated didn't drop. Common has dropped off quite a bit in terms of quality of albums. There are barely anymore good west coast artists. Radio freestyles have been super played out now.

There is a ton of **** that's wrong with the game. There aren't enough artists bringing it.

This thread is so dumb. Nas didn't have to state hip hop was dead for people to see it. The game has gotten stale for quite some time.

Most of the time I only check for about 3 or 4 artists now with albums. It took me like 6 months to finally even give Jeezy's album a chance.

The game is in a drought there is no more excitement with the exception for a few. Beef is dead, I don't really care for collabs anymore because those are so played out. Then you have remixes which are ****ed now because Wayne is on all of them.

Look at some of the actual hip hop **** too. Redman and Meth were gone for 4 to 5 years. EPMD was gone and basically done for good. Mos Def stopped rapping and dropped a crap album. Ras Kass was incarcerated didn't drop. Common has dropped off quite a bit in terms of quality of albums. There are barely anymore good west coast artists. Radio freestyles have been super played out now.

There is a ton of **** that's wrong with the game. There aren't enough artists bringing it.


Thats not really the problem. The problem is, the industry focuses on very few acts. I'm not sure where you're from, but your local scene I'm sure has some extremely talented cats who simply don't have the right connections or access to be able to be heard by the right people.

Stop looking at the established names to save anything. If their established, they're making money, so they're not concerned with anything but that ticket and how long its going to last. You've got to remember, the hungriest MCs are the brokest and are out there perfecting their craft in hopes of landing a deal in some cases. In other cases, people just want to make dope music and could care less about the money, or image.

The "pure" Hiphop is out there, we've just gone back to the days where you really have to be involved in the scene to know it. Looking to the radio and internet aren't where its at.

Nah at the least if you are hungry you should be all over the net. That's the best exposure right now.

Honestly the game is dry period. Some of these underground acts I hear I'm still not impressed with.

only a few people were saying "hip-hop was dead" or "hip-hop sucks right now" before nas said it, it just shows how much of sheep we are declaring "hip-hop is dead" just because nas stated it... if Hip-hop still has it essence and veterens keep doing what their doing then hip-hop has gone any where...

Huh? People have been saying it for atleast a decade.

Many of them saw where we were headed.


Where did the veterans come from? they came from the community. Hip Hop was the consciousness of the community, not just a bunch of songs on a dead compact disk. It was the voice of the street. It is no longer the voice of the street, now it is the scheme of a bunch of corporate execs.

The worst thing is the next generation that is responsible for producing the Hip Hop of the future dosen't even really know what Hip Hop is. That is why it is dead, not because of what's playing on MTV.

Huh? People have been saying it for atleast a decade.

Many of them saw where we were headed.


Where did the veterans come from? they came from the community. Hip Hop was the consciousness of the community, not just a bunch of songs on a dead compact disk. It was the voice of the street. It is no longer the voice of the street, now it is the scheme of a bunch of corporate execs.

The worst thing is the next generation that is responsible for producing the Hip Hop of the future dosen't even really know what Hip Hop is. That is why it is dead, not because of what's playing on MTV.
I agree with your last paragraph.

What I hear on urban music channels doesn't fall into what "hip-hop" used to be. It's overproduced, paint-by-numbers lyrics and themes, basically a parody of itself at this point.

Thanks for posting the Arrested Development.

In response to someone saying that it's NAS and Jay's responsibility to bring other forth, that's just not their job. Nas already brought AZ and formed the Firm. He was found by search. Jay Z gave us Freeway and Beans. It's people who love the music's job to go out and support artists that tour on the Club Circut or your local hip hop scene. South Florida is way underground but its out there.

I work with a couple of young cat's who are underground mc's and I break them off with my ole Doo Wop, Ron G and clue etc tapes from 89-96 and they can't get enough of that ****. they are learning soooo much more about the golden years than they ever could looking for those joints online

Okay versey lemme break this down for u

90's

30% of white american youth purchased rap CDs

2001-present

75% of white american youth purchased rap Cd's

You say we are living in the past, well the past is where the substance is.

with the new influx of rappers, (Dream,t-pain,Ace Hood, etc) anybody thats debuted in recent times is geared to simplicity.(money,cars,ho's,clothes)

and now the level of talent is falling and u blame us for living in the past? even the greatest hip hop heads are saying hip hop is dying and is now dead. You can not sit behind your monitor and tell me the 2000's hip hop is better then the 90's?

stop trying to make this argument, u will not win

The fact that white people are buying more albums means hip hop is dying?

Thanks for posting the Arrested Development.

In response to someone saying that it's NAS and Jay's responsibility to bring other forth, that's just not their job. Nas already brought AZ and formed the Firm. He was found by search. Jay Z gave us Freeway and Beans. It's people who love the music's job to go out and support artists that tour on the Club Circut or your local hip hop scene. South Florida is way underground but its out there.

I work with a couple of young cat's who are underground mc's and I break them off with my ole Doo Wop, Ron G and clue etc tapes from 89-96 and they can't get enough of that ****. they are learning soooo much more about the golden years than they ever could looking for those joints online


Reminds me of the other day when I was in my garage tinkering around and blasting a Wake Up Show tape via 96. The teenagers across the street usually are bumping some Wayne or any other top 40 Hippop act. Well, if you're familiair with the WUS, you know they provide nothing but raw beats and raw rhymes. I was bumping my **** loud and they kept looking over with a curious look on thier faces like, "damn, whats that?".

My brother knows this younger cat in his hood that all up on purely gangsta and west coast Hiphop. He started showing younger dude some different type of Hiphop, and dude got immediately hooked. Within the year of learning about all the rawness from back then,

dude went and bought himself an MPC 2500, some J Zone and Dilla records and turntables.

I love it when the younger dudes get their ears opened.

Golden Era= Early 90s it is. 92-95 to be exact. Hip hop is an art form, rapping is one part of it. Are you a rap fan or are you into hip hip? People who have a problem with today's rap music primarily came up in an era of hip hop, when people were extending themselves artistically are trying NOT to say what the next man says. Originality was a must whether its about battling, storytelling, or painting pictures with your words. Now originality is non existent in the mainstream, everyone sounds the same and complexity isn't there. Dudes songs are like kids talking on a playground: (see Jim Jones)

People who don't have a problem with today's mainstream rap grew up on rap that was all about money and ho's, **** that lacks originality and is not trying to expand the boundaries of the art form, just the boundaries of their bank accounts. Every coast sounds the same now!!! Unheard of!

why do you find it to be so necessary that each coast have it's own defined sound? why does that matter? i agree that diversity is necessary but does it have to be based on geographic location? why not just differ from artist to artist? style to style? i think that part of the problem is that people put too much emphasis on geographically stereotyped sounds. why shouldn't every artist have the freedom to release material true to their own PERSONAL style rather than that of their region. that's really what creative freedom is about.

Hip hop will never die its always good like a pizza pie.

why do you find it to be so necessary that each coast have it's own defined sound? why does that matter? i agree that diversity is necessary but does it have to be based on geographic location? why not just differ from artist to artist? style to style? i think that part of the problem is that people put too much emphasis on geographically stereotyped sounds. why shouldn't every artist have the freedom to release material true to their own PERSONAL style rather than that of their region. that's really what creative freedom is about.

Exactly. Only in Hiphop is a sound determined by location, one of the dumbest things ever in Hiphop.

That's all I really have to say about that matter. Join or not, but don't pout about how it sucks, just listen to the **** you like. Not like that stuff is going to be erased by current HipHop off your cd's.

That **** is actually funny.. some of you guys ***** about the state of HipHop but music listeners aren't robots, they listen to who they like. If one of those ol' school rappers they like a lot they would still be poppin', no questions asked.

You guys should be in rejoice that rap is evolving, it shows independence and uniqueness. All can't be the same if so this could be a boring ass world. Everything changes, so whining about how HipHop has gone down and such then tell your favorite rappers that are alive to do something. They're sitting low *****ing like you guys are.

That's all. :luvbed:
im taller than you.

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