Lets just say it was a street fight? Who'd come out on top?

soldiers don't practice fighting in their underwear.

most militaries teach a watered down version of judo , bjj , wrestling , boxing , kickboxing , muay thai , etc.

nothing polished enough for competition.

the system is designed to teach tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands in basic hand to hand combat NOT one on one sport competition.

asking a drill/combat instructor to fight a professional mma fighter in an octagon or ring would be like asking an mma fighter to pick up a rifle and jump out of a plane.

soldiers don't practice fighting in their underwear.

most militaries teach a watered down version of judo , bjj , wrestling , boxing , kickboxing , muay thai , etc.

nothing polished enough for competition.

the system is designed to teach tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands in basic hand to hand combat NOT one on one sport competition.

asking a drill/combat instructor to fight a professional mma fighter in an octagon or ring would be like asking an mma fighter to pick up a rifle and jump out of a plane.

Bas Rutten could do it.....

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chuck norris

Any of these guys on this film would kick any military spec ops ass!


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Lets just say it was a street fight? Who'd come out on top?
Good question...IMHO...

Alot of Hand-to-hand, you grab the dudes shirt, like Royce Gracie used to do, use his Gee as leverage. In the Octogon...alot hand-to-hand is limited to striking and grappling...MMA would take 2 out of three. In the street...too many options!! If you know like I know, don't ever underestimate "hand-to-hand"! You could take out a man with a Corn Flakes box.

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Well it would obviously depend on the individuals involved. There's still a lot of moves banned in MMA so the mindset of a fighter like that might be that of a 'competition' fighter rather than a guy who trains to incapacitate somebody by any means possible. That's not to say those MMA guys are not potential killing machines either, of course they are. So yeah, I'd just say it depends.

Military hand to hand instructor, no question and I'll tell you why.

A. He's not stupid enough to get into a fight with some douche in an Affliction t-shirt out in the parking lot of Skank City nightclub.

B. There's no such thing as a fair fight. Period.

C. Hand to hand instructors aren't just instructors hired on to the US Army from Monster.com. They've been in the military for years under numerous MOS's and know that a hand to hand fight with anyone is the last resort.

The instructor wins because he calmly handles the situation by walking away while simultaneously plotting the best shipping service to use when he wants to send the douche MMA tough guy fighter's head to the guy's fiancee in a box 3wks later.

There was an episode on Joe's vs Pros and some military hand to hand combat instructor got his ass handled by Randy Couture

Not even close. Mixed Martial Artist, period! They train to fight, putting in 4 or 5 or 6 hours (sometimes more) training every single day for years. Instructors teach watered down techniques and never test their craft.

It would be a one-sided beating on the part of the Mixed Martial Artist.

the combat instructors teach soldiers to kill quickly, that's very different from an MMA fighter who's just trying to win his match.

exactly! Thats why I always say MMA is not practical outside of the cage/ring. If an Israeli commando and his kepap/krav maga training plus years of fighting palestinian experience ever got into a fight with lets say Anderson Silva or better yet Fedor. The MMA fighter would lose horribly in a street fight. Seriously hurt or killed, depends on how serious it becomes.

I'm not so sure about this. First off the MMA guy like many have pointed out trains at this for a living. However he trains with rules. A commando i.e. SAS or Israeli/Russian....etc train every day but in many more disciplines i.e. explosives, weapons etc so they don't put in as much time to the hand to hand stuff. However the stuff that they do practice probably has no rules other than pure survival. I'm sure there are preferred techniques for eye gauging and headbutting not even taking into consideration all of the other real world items that would be available at most bars or lying around on streets i.e. sticks/bottles etc.

SEALS get the knife out and stabs the MMA guy for an easy UD, no contest. If all goes bad, gets a couple of shots in before the fight

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Anyone know who the fighters are where one guy was taunting the **** out of the other?:lol1: that was funny.

wow I forgot I made this thread. I have read through most of the posts, and found some pretty good ones.

thanks :thanks:

There is a very good book about MMA called “Total MMA”. It’s probably the nest book on the market about the history if MMA. Anyway, Jonathan Snowden who wrote it is a US army veteran. In an interview he was asked what he was taught about hand-to-hand combat in the army. He briefly described the program and then made the point that in the army he was told that if he was fighting hand to hand then something had gone very wrong.

Professional fighters normally beat people who aren't professional fighters. There are no death touches. Yeah an army hand to hand instructor might go for someone's eyes. Does anyone think MMA fighters can't do that? ****, just Google Bas Rutten street fight video and you'll have your answer.

There is a myth, promoted by Steven Segal movies, about the Special Forces guy who ****s everyone up hand to hand. The simple fact is soldiers have guns. They don’t focus on hand to hand in the same way a professional MMA gym would.

exactly! Thats why I always say MMA is not practical outside of the cage/ring. If an Israeli commando and his kepap/krav maga training plus years of fighting palestinian experience ever got into a fight with lets say Anderson Silva or better yet Fedor. The MMA fighter would lose horribly in a street fight. Seriously hurt or killed, depends on how serious it becomes.

:gay::peeright::killyou:

Bas Rutten could do it.....

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One of the most practical NO "BS" Self Defense videos I've seen.


Depends really, Military Hand To Hand instructors train the military enough said about that however let's not forget MMA legends like Bas Rutten who used to be a bouncer and also Cro Cop who used to be a member of the Croatian Military police. I'm sure not all MMA fighters who go into a street fight thinking of "fighting fair".

There is a very good book about MMA called “Total MMA”. It’s probably the nest book on the market about the history if MMA. Anyway, Jonathan Snowden who wrote it is a US army veteran. In an interview he was asked what he was taught about hand-to-hand combat in the army. He briefly described the program and then made the point that in the army he was told that if he was fighting hand to hand then something had gone very wrong.

Professional fighters normally beat people who aren't professional fighters. There are no death touches. Yeah an army hand to hand instructor might go for someone's eyes. Does anyone think MMA fighters can't do that? ****, just Google Bas Rutten street fight video and you'll have your answer.

There is a myth, promoted by Steven Segal movies, about the Special Forces guy who ****s everyone up hand to hand. The simple fact is soldiers have guns. They don’t focus on hand to hand in the same way a professional MMA gym would.

Pretty much my opinion, but you got it across much better. Soldiers work with rifles and explosives. They train just enough martial arts to get a leg up if they ever do get into a no-weapons fight with an opponent who probably has no training.

With the limited amount of hand-to-hand training they get (which is mostly grappling if I'm not mistaken), they're still not that well off.

There is no secret 5-point exploding heart technique. And most techniques in MMA can kill or maim if used to such a degree.

Wasn't there a military hand-to-hand combat instructor on Pros vs Joes who got pitted against Randy Couture (MMA for those who don't know), and Randy beat him about 10 times over in 2 minutes time?

Bottom line is, I'm going to go with the guy who trains to fight for a living, and is far more well-rounded than any army combatives instructor.

There was an episode on Joe's vs Pros and some military hand to hand combat instructor got his ass handled by Randy Couture

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There it is. Now that's what happen when you pit an army combatives instructor against a mixed martial artist, pain. And that's without strikes.