View Full Version : Great Fighters in ****ty Divisions.......
LuKahnLi 11-11-2004, 11:39 AM Sometimes a fighter's historical standing is affected because they rule a division that really sucked. Because of this they never mangaged to have a career defining fight in their prime against another fighter of their own stature.
A couple examples.....
Bob Foster at Light heavyweight.
Khaosai Galaxy at Jr. Bantamweight.
I think that Rafael Marquez has the same dilemna right now. So far, his defining fight (Tim Austin) was the one that put him on the map in the first place.
dempseyfire 11-11-2004, 12:34 PM Bernard Hopkins
Champoreeno 11-11-2004, 12:44 PM Ricardo Lopez may have been over-rated (or under-rated for that matter) due to this fact.
jabsRstiff 11-11-2004, 12:48 PM Ricardo Lopez may have been over-rated (or under-rated for that matter) due to this fact.
Thank You....
Just don't know what to do with him, in terms of historical perspective.
I believe if he had great comp., he'd have won all the time....but not do so, so effortlessly.
drag0n_ 11-11-2004, 01:07 PM Calzaghe in the last few years has had ****ty fights in the super middleweight div. But i guess thats a mixture of FW and the lack of quality fighters.
Prorock 11-11-2004, 01:39 PM Ricardo Lopez...
Now it is Jeff Lacy
goodkingbudpuffer 11-11-2004, 02:20 PM jeff lacy, Raf Marquez are two that i think of most, JoCalz sucks ass fighting has beens and really never were's, how come he hasn't tangled w/ say robert allen, or antwon echols they are both fightin super now aren't they
whdempsey 11-11-2004, 02:52 PM jeff lacy, Raf Marquez are two that i think of most, JoCalz sucks ass fighting has beens and really never were's, how come he hasn't tangled w/ say robert allen, or antwon echols they are both fightin super now aren't they
No. Pretty much everything you say here is incorrect. Robert Allen is not as tough as almost anyone among Joe's competition. And I'm neither a nuthugger nor British, so don't even bother saying it. Jeff Lacy's division today is not that bad. And Robert Allen is not a super middle. He may have plans to move up, but he's still not a super middleweight.
Rafael Marquez' division isn't that bad. The problem is there aren't any stars there right now. Mebbe if a super flyweight moves up there'll be one, but there's none at the moment.
oldgringo 11-11-2004, 02:54 PM I think R. Marquez is a good example...maybe Braithewaite too.
MlLkMan 11-11-2004, 05:51 PM anyone from the heavyweights.
The Fix 11-11-2004, 05:57 PM supermiddle isnt that bad for lacy. still got calzahge and anthony hanshaw.lacy should move up though maybe fight the winner of tarver/johnson.
psychopath 11-11-2004, 06:10 PM Ricardo Lopez would be at the top of my list. And I agree with the guys who mentioned Bob Foster, Khaosai Galaxy, Bernard Hopskins and Rafael Marquez.
You may say and look at it that their divisions sucks . . . . but the truth is these fighters are simply way above their competitions. They are not the average OVERHYPE fighters that we see every now and then. NO amount of HYPINGS can put the opponents at par with them even during fight promotions because they make their statements with their fist and performance and let their records speaks for them. ;)
triggerhappy 11-11-2004, 06:22 PM all b-hop needs is a good promoter and he will be fine
Supafly25 11-11-2004, 11:52 PM Jeff Lacy. and even though the Heavyweight division is ****y there is not 1 great fighter in it.
I think Ricardo Lopez could have been a serious contender for greatest of all time if he had not fought in such a non-publicised division (I won't say **** because there are good fighters in all divisions).
Of the current boxers, I like Ivan Calderon who fights at mini-flyweight.
markosg19 11-12-2004, 06:15 AM how can anyone say jeff lacy? who the hell has he beaten? would he beat danny green, carl froch, joe calzaghe, robin reed or markus beyer? All he has done is beat one name- syd vander...something. He needs to achieve a number one rating before anyone can say that about him!!!!!!
Cletus Funk 11-12-2004, 06:19 AM how can anyone say jeff lacy? who the hell has he beaten? would he beat danny green, carl froch, joe calzaghe, robin reed or markus beyer? All he has done is beat one name- syd vander...something. He needs to achieve a number one rating before anyone can say that about him!!!!!!
Totally agree. He'd get his ass kicked by a few people on Calzaghe's record.
L-DJ-B 11-12-2004, 07:32 AM I can't people on here are saying Jeff Lacy, Calzaghe has been the dominant force in the Super Middleweight divison for years. Lacy ain't done jack yet.
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