Well since the fantasy fights forum had turned into a joke lately, i figure i post my fantasy match ups in the history section from now on. On topic, Bonevena is someone i am more sold on than Marciano. I think Rocky is one of the great fighters of all time and certainly a top 10-15ish great, but i feel Oscar just had more and fought the bigger more skillful opponents and did well. I actually had him beating Frazier in their first fight. I also feel hes one of the most underrated fighters of any time.


1. Do you think Oscar would go through Marciano's record unbeaten?

2. Who would you pick to win? ( think hard first, this match up is a lot better than what it looks like on paper)

Well since the fantasy fights forum had turned into a joke lately, i figure i post my fantasy match ups in the history section from now on. On topic, Bonevena is someone i am more sold on than Marciano. I think Rocky is one of the great fighters of all time and certainly a top 10-15ish great, but i feel Oscar just had more and fought the bigger more skillful opponents and did well. I actually had him beating Frazier in their first fight. I also feel hes one of the most underrated fighters of any time.


1. Do you think Oscar would go through Marciano's record unbeaten?

2. Who would you pick to win? ( think hard first, this match up is a lot better than what it looks like on paper)


I think Oscar was the bigger puncher to be honest. Can rocky Take it? hard to say.

That's very possible. I know Rocky could punch, but i don't think he had the kind of power that some people make it out to be. I remember the thudding hooks Oscar landed against Frazier, had him shaken almost every time and Frazier's chin was great. I also read that Oscar broke Ali's nose and two of his ribs.

Well since the fantasy fights forum had turned into a joke lately, i figure i post my fantasy match ups in the history section from now on. On topic, Bonevena is someone i am more sold on than Marciano. I think Rocky is one of the great fighters of all time and certainly a top 10-15ish great, but i feel Oscar just had more and fought the bigger more skillful opponents and did well. I actually had him beating Frazier in their first fight. I also feel hes one of the most underrated fighters of any time.


1. Do you think Oscar would go through Marciano's record unbeaten?

2. Who would you pick to win? ( think hard first, this match up is a lot better than what it looks like on paper)

He could possibly get thru Marciano's record undefeated. Would he? Im not so sure.

I would give both Walcott (from the first Rocky fight) and Ezzard Charles a good shot at beating Bonovena. Both were slick, cagey fighter who I think would beat Ringo to the punch most of the night. with all due respect my friend, I've never been as sold on Oscar as you, but he was a pretty good fighter.

He could possibly get thru Marciano's record undefeated. Would he? Im not so sure.

I would give both Walcott (from the first Rocky fight) and Ezzard Charles a good shot at beating Bonovena. Both were slick, cagey fighter who I think would beat Ringo to the punch most of the night. with all due respect my friend, I've never been as sold on Oscar as you, but he was a pretty good fighter.

I see what you mean, however its really hard to judge them since Oscar fought in a far better division against fighters that were bigger and skillful at the same time. Lets look at it like this. In your opinion, could Rocky perform as well as Oscar did against Frazier or Ali? Oscar was naturally bigger than Rocky, he could match him in the power department and he was definitely more skilled and was no stranger to fighting in close for 15 rounds.

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He could have gone through Marciano's record undefeated but I don't think he would have, I think Walcott in his first fight with Marciano would have had a very good shot at beating Bonavena, same for Charles in his first fight with Marciano.

As for a fight between Marciano and Bonavena, I think it would have gone something like the second Frazier-Bonavena fight, except more competitive, especially early on in the fight but I think Marciano's smothering attack and body shots would push Bonavena back and win the fight for Marciano. Marciano by decision.

I don't think he has much of a chance of going through Marciano's record undefeated but he does have a chance of beating Rocky.

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[QUOTE=slicksouthpaw16;4742260]I see what you mean, however its really hard to judge them since Oscar fought in a far better division against fighters that were bigger and skillful at the same time. Lets look at it like this. In your opinion, could Rocky perform as well as Oscar did against Frazier or Ali? Oscar was naturally bigger than Rocky, he could match him in the power department and he was definitely more skilled and was no stranger to fighting in close for 15 rounds.

I think he fought in a better era, but did he really beat better fighters? If he fough in the late 40's to mid 50's he would have been a top fighter, but he would have run into the same problem he did in his own era (against less fighters of coure) because of his limitations.

as far as your question on how Rocky would do against Ali and Frazier in comparison to Bonavena? I think Rocky applies better pressure than Ringo did and is a bit faster. I don't think he can beat Ali, but I've always given him a fair shot at Frazier.

PS- I was going to PM you last night and send you an article about Bonavena that I had saved, but when I clicked it it said the page was no longer available. Had you ever read anything about Oscar called "A killing at the Mustang"? Interesting stuff about Ringo and his death. Being a fan I think you would have liked it.

Bonavena was not really a traditional pressure fighter in my opinion.

He had his most success backing up and fighting off the ropes against Frazier and Chuvalo. You could make the case that he was the only man to knock Chuvalo down although it wasn't called (it was both a punch and a push, Chuvalo however was noticeably hurt).

I think he fought in a better era, but did he really beat better fighters? If he fough in the late 40's to mid 50's he would have been a top fighter, but he would have run into the same problem he did in his own era (against less fighters of coure) because of his limitations.


as far as your question on how Rocky would do against Ali and Frazier in comparison to Bonavena? I think Rocky applies better pressure than Ringo did and is a bit faster. I don't think he can beat Ali, but I've always given him a fair shot at Frazier.

Good points, although i rate Bonvena's skill just a bit higher. He could box on the outside when he needed to( of course against limited outside boxers though) and as seen in his fights with Frazier, Folley, and Ali, he was a great inside fighter. The one person that would scare me on Marciano's record would be Walcott against Oscar, because of his movement and power. That's a match up i have to look deeper into.


PS- I was going to PM you last night and send you an article about Bonavena that I had saved, but when I clicked it it said the page was no longer available. Had you ever read anything about Oscar called "A killing at the Mustang"? Interesting stuff about Ringo and his death. Being a fan I think you would have liked it.[/FONT][/COLOR]

Sounds cool, is there another article similar to that anywhere? I'm not sure if its the same one but i remember in my other thread about Bonevena, Terry posted a story about how he died, and i book marked it.

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Sounds cool, is there another article similar to that anywhere? I'm not sure if its the same one but i remember in my other thread about Bonevena, Terry posted a story about how he died, and i book marked it.

Im sure you could find something if you kept looking. I tried a search last night with the words "A killing at the Mustang" and came up with squat. I gotta run right this second but will be back shortly and I'll try to find something for you.

Bonavena was not really a traditional pressure fighter in my opinion.

He had his most success backing up and fighting off the ropes against Frazier and Chuvalo. You could make the case that he was the only man to knock Chuvalo down although it wasn't called (it was both a punch and a push, Chuvalo however was noticeably hurt).

Agreed, i haven't seen his first fight with Frazier in about a year but i remember he tried boxing a bit more( a fight i had him winning) and was doing well inside, he also dropped Frazier twice. I think the first knock down came from a left jab right hand and the second one came from a left hook.

Im sure you could find something if you kept looking. I tried a search last night with the words "A killing at the Mustang" and came up with squat. I gotta run right this second but will be back shortly and I'll try to find something for you.

Thanks, I'll try to find something in the meantime. Its a shame how Bonevena rarely gets mentioned on any forums, even the ones at ESB.

I hate jerking off to these stupid fantasy match-ups, but I'll throw in my 2 cents:

Oscar would have been a worthy adversary, but I think Marciano with his warrier mentality would have found a way to win. He would have worn the bigger man down with his relentless body assault, his imperviousness to pain, and his superior conditioning. The Rock might be off his feet once or twice in this bout, but like the mythical Antaeus (and Joe Frazier), he would leap back into the fray stronger and more determined than ever.

Countless fighters including Oscar would of gone undefeated if they fought the bums Marciano fought. Marciano isn't a top 10 anthing , well he is 1 of the top ten most overrated fighters in boxing history. If Oscar could walk through Frazier punches then why would't he be able to walk through a smaller less skill fighter and weaker fighter like Marciano? Bonavena was a true 215 pound heavyweight and Marciano was some 180 to 185 cruiserweight.

Oscar would knock out Maricano in no more than 3 rounds.

Countless fighters including Oscar would of gone undefeated if they fought the bums Marciano fought. Marciano isn't a top 10 anthing , well he is 1 of the top ten most overrated fighters in boxing history. If Oscar could walk through Frazier punches then why would't he be able to walk through a smaller less skill fighter and weaker fighter like Marciano? Bonavena was a true 215 pound heavyweight and Marciano was some 180 to 185 cruiserweight.

Oscar would knock out Maricano in no more than 3 rounds.
You'll probably have a succesful posting career in NSB. But not in the history forum.