3/10. I'm just not feeling the album, but that song "One time for your mind" I loved. The rest it just seems like the same ol' stuff, no change up, with that one song I mentioned it goes with what he's saying, it has a good beat that compliments what he's saying.

3/10. I'm just not feeling the album, but that song "One time for your mind" I loved. The rest it just seems like the same ol' stuff, no change up, with that one song I mentioned it goes with what he's saying, it has a good beat that compliments what he's saying.
i have that c.d and the best song is the world is yours, that being said, that song sucks, i rate that album 3.5/10

i feel like i've stepped into the Bermuda Triangle.

You guys probably also think that Transformers is the best movie ever made

You guys probably also think that Transformers is the best movie ever made

I listened to the cd fully. I just wasn't feeling it, it was boring and very dull besides that one song. Lyrical? VERY, but no true emotion, just words that he spit out that sounded good.

I listened to the cd fully. I just wasn't feeling it, it was boring and very dull besides that one song. Lyrical? VERY, but no true emotion, just words that he spit out that sounded good.
I can understand your feeling .. you grew up on a different sound of hip hop. I personally give that album 10.10 but im an east coast raised kid and I am a huge southern rap fan.

I listened to the cd fully. I just wasn't feeling it, it was boring and very dull besides that one song. Lyrical? VERY, but no true emotion, just words that he spit out that sounded good.

are you seriously joking? you probably heard this album knowing that youre not going to like it. What are some of your favorite artists or albums?

3/10. I'm just not feeling the album, but that song "One time for your mind" I loved. The rest it just seems like the same ol' stuff, no change up, with that one song I mentioned it goes with what he's saying, it has a good beat that compliments what he's saying.

Thats the best rap album I've ever heard.


But hey like I said, everybody hears things differently.

Its like that car analogy I used. One might love that car, another might think its the ugliest car they've seen.

You're crazy man.

You always bark at Nas... So I can't take this thread serious.

i feel like i've stepped into the Bermuda Triangle.

lol.........megstarr can be funny.

I feel the same way but like one of the other posters said we grew up on a different sound of hip hop. I know east coast cats love Nas and yes he is lyrical but just not my cup of tea. My second or third favorite rapper of all time is Jay Z and it just seems like wherever your from you can't deny that he is one of the greatest of all times.:hail:

are you seriously joking? you probably heard this album knowing that youre not going to like it. What are some of your favorite artists or albums?

It just sounded like he spit out lyrics, with those songs I mentioned on another thread I liked with him, he showed emotion.
I like Jay-Z, Biggie, Pac, Wayne, Project Pat, 3-6 Mafia, Kanye, UGK, Ludacris , Bone Thugs,Texas underground rappers. Like that...

You're crazy man.

You always bark at Nas... So I can't take this thread serious.

This album listening I took serious and that's what I truly think.

I feel the same way but like one of the other posters said we grew up on a different sound of hip hop. I know east coast cats love Nas and yes he is lyrical but just not my cup of tea. My second or third favorite rapper of all time is Jay Z and it just seems like wherever your from you can't deny that he is one of the greatest of all times.:hail:

Jay-Z is up there with Wayne to me.

i tried to tell you he was mentally deficient.......not enough "swag" to capture his ignorant adhd mind

It just sounded like he spit out lyrics, with those songs I mentioned on another thread I liked with him, he showed emotion.
I like Jay-Z, Biggie, Pac, Wayne, Project Pat, 3-6 Mafia, Kanye, UGK, Ludacris , Bone Thugs,Texas underground rappers. Like that...

Project Pat just spits out lyrics, Nas writes poetry, my dude

Wayne will never be up there with Jay-Z to me.
fixed your post :boxing:

In fairness to Verse, he doesn't have to like what we like though.

And its obvious he gave it a chance, its not like hes making it all up to piss anyone off.

In fairness to Verse, he doesn't have to like what we like though.

And its obvious he gave it a chance, its not like hes making it all up to piss anyone off.

thats basically what it all comes down to, you like what you like and you dislike what you dislike even though Illmatic is the GOAT without a doubt

You guys probably also think that Transformers is the best movie ever made
nah , you might, but i was born into the west coast sound, i was listening to gangster rap due to i was rased in gang territory all my live, lived in the projects my whole life(Aliso Village Projects- torn down from pathetic conditions and gangland territory to about 15 warring gangs in those projects territory)now live in MarVista Gardens projects, nicer projects but their is a gang war between blacks and hispanics right now, raised into gangster rap, i hate gangs, but when i was younger i was kinda interested since much of my family was gang related, that is why i probably relate to gangster rap, have nothing in common with poetic wannabe rappers like nas, i dont even like rap anymore , its just gotten so corny that even lil wayne is now a rap force,



rock is the best music, when tupac and biggie died, rap has slowly gone to a downward spiral, the best rappers are currently acting or semi retired or retired or even dead

thats basically what it all comes down to, you like what you like and you dislike what you dislike even though Illmatic is the GOAT without a doubt

to me it is aswell.................

It just sounded like he spit out lyrics, with those songs I mentioned on another thread I liked with him, he showed emotion.
I like Jay-Z, Biggie, Pac, Wayne, Project Pat, 3-6 Mafia, Kanye, UGK, Ludacris , Bone Thugs,Texas underground rappers. Like that...



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:hail: Z-RO

nah , you might, but i was born into the west coast sound, i was listening to gangster rap due to i was rased in gang territory all my live, lived in the projects my whole life(Aliso Village Projects- torn down from pathetic conditions and gangland territory to about 15 warring gangs in those projects territory)now live in MarVista Gardens projects, nicer projects but their is a gang war between blacks and hispanics right now, raised into gangster rap, i hate gangs, but when i was younger i was kinda interested since much of my family was gang related, that is why i probably relate to gangster rap, have nothing in common with poetic wannabe rappers like nas, i dont even like rap anymore , its just gotten so corny that even lil wayne is now a rap force,

I also was raised in a bad neighborhood. I used to live in between two rival gangs, both on opposite ends i lived in the middle. Gunshots and fights were regular to me. I HATE gangs and all that is related with them but that doesnt mean that i have to like gangsta rap. I know good music when i hear it and Illmatic is the best Hip-Hop album i have ever heard. The way you were raised has little to do with what you like or dislike growing up.

^ because rap is music and entertainment. I agree

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:hail: Z-RO

Z-ro goes in the Nas category for me, some songs are good but most just are too bland.

i tried to tell you he was mentally deficient.......not enough "swag" to capture his ignorant adhd mind

I'm too ignorant to like who you like.haha. You know how dumb you sound right now? Oh... If Tyson isn't in your top 5 best ever then you're ignorant and delusional because I said so...

Z-ro goes in the Nas category for me, some songs are good but most just are too bland.

:sad:



what about Lil Keke?

:sad:



what about Lil Keke?

He's so so also... I do like his songs with Swisha House though.

This thread is sad.:lame:

So let me get this straight, if someone came up with this list as the greatest rappers of all time it would be an opinion with equal weight to any other opinion?


1) Chingy

2) Soulja Boy

3) Brian Austin Green

4) Cyco Black

5) Vanilla Ice.

This thread is sad.:lame:

No, it’s a prime example that music is purely subjective.

I also was raised in a bad neighborhood. I used to live in between two rival gangs, both on opposite ends i lived in the middle. Gunshots and fights were regular to me. I HATE gangs and all that is related with them but that doesnt mean that i have to like gangsta rap. I know good music when i hear it and Illmatic is the best Hip-Hop album i have ever heard. The way you were raised has little to do with what you like or dislike growing up.
im not talking about a 2 rival gangs, around 15, in Aliso Village Projects(hailed in Los Angeles Magzine , most dangerous projects in Cali, the place where white media and everyone else calls Gang Capital of the world)


Imaginne this , in the middle of the 10s of blocks of this same projects is a school with fences, children in the other side of these projects would die on a messed up basis, due to gangs on each side had to shoot across the school to shoot a rival gang territory, if you cross one block walking, you may get shot by being mistaken to a ****** ass gang member, blacks , whites and any race got forced out due to their ****ty gang ****, 2 cousins mine died in those projects and my sister got shot their, nearly died,


i listened to gangster rap as a dumb naive kid cause i could relate to the bull**** they said, that being said, **** gangster rap, **** rap, the best rap is just real rappers that talk about real ****, example, like immortal technique or 2 pac,

No, it’s a prime example that music is purely subjective.

Music is only partially subjective.

Music is only partially subjective.

I'll correct that for you. You mean totally not partially.

I'll correct that for you. You mean totally not partially.

Example.

Notes exist in music. A singer either hits a note or they don't. It is not subjective, it can be measured by instruments. If a singer is good at hitting notes we say they are a good singer. That is not subjective. We can do the same thing for non-human things like guitars. If a guitar is off key it is a fact, not an opinion.


I'm tired of hearing these feminine arguments (No offence Megstarr lol) for everything being subjective.

Example.

Notes exist in music. A singer either hits a note or they don't. It is not subjective, it can be measured by instruments. If a singer is good at hitting notes we say they are a good singer. That is not subjective. We can do the same thing for non-human things like guitars. If a guitar is off key it is a fact, not an opinion.


I'm tired of hearing these feminine arguments for everything being subjective (No offence Megstarr lol).

This has got to be the most juvenile response I have ever read, and you are trying way to hard to prove that you are right, by going off on a different tangent about mistakes being made by human errors in music. This has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about and you know it.
Something that is judged solely on an emotional response of an individual can not be objective.

If a singer is good at hitting notes we say they are a good singer. That is not subjective.


LOL, so the only criteria for being a good singer is hitting notes correctly?

Example.

Notes exist in music. A singer either hits a note or they don't. It is not subjective, it can be measured by instruments. If a singer is good at hitting notes we say they are a good singer. That is not subjective. We can do the same thing for non-human things like guitars. If a guitar is off key it is a fact, not an opinion.


I'm tired of hearing these feminine arguments (No offence Megstarr lol) for everything being subjective.

none taken. respects for being all sensitive to my feelings n **** though.
how feminine of you...
haha
just kidding.

I'm tired of hearing these feminine arguments (No offence Megstarr lol) for everything being subjective.

I agree! All the music you listen to sucks.:bryce:

Illmatic best rap album of all time imo.



Whoever dont like it should stick to Soulja boy.

Illmatic best rap album of all time imo.



Whoever dont like it should stick to Soulja boy.

There was a thread a while back about the I.Q. of boxing fans being fairly low. After reading your response I now believe it. By the way, I.Q. stands for Intelligence Quotient.:dance::dance::dance::dance:

hahaha im not suprised u don't like illmatic but like wayne...1 song from illmatic>>wayne

3/10. I'm just not feeling the album, but that song "One time for your mind" I loved. The rest it just seems like the same ol' stuff, no change up, with that one song I mentioned it goes with what he's saying, it has a good beat that compliments what he's saying.

I admire your bravery.

I listened to the cd fully. I just wasn't feeling it, it was boring and very dull besides that one song. Lyrical? VERY, but no true emotion, just words that he spit out that sounded good.

Eh, no offence but;
You talking about Nas or Lil Wayne?

I agree! All the music you listen to sucks.:bryce:



Maybe your right about the low IQ.

I listened to Illmatic last night and I gotta agree with the first couple of posts. The CD really failed when it comes to withstanding the test of time. The beats sound like they were poorly mixed, and they just...didnt keep me interested.

Lyrically, Nas was average at best. At times, he dropped some nice lines but he failed to stay consistent through out a verse. Illmatic is really overrated.

Illmatic = 2.5/10

There's certain albums in Hip Hop that are just called classics off GP. Illmatic is definitely one of those albums.

Now being that some of the kids on here who don't like Illmatic were about 4 when Illmatic first came out (which ironically was on my birthday lol) I can understand how some of them may not be moved by it being they came up on the DMXs, Jay Z's, Master P, early Cash Money, etc.

Illmatic is an album that became a classic over time and really changed the way albums from then on were made. You had an all star production crew of DJ Premier, Pete Rock, Q-Tip, LES, and Large Professor. To this day there hasn't been an album that all the different producers were able to capture the same vibe but still be able to stand alone from the other songs on the album.

Though I HEAVILY disagree with giving Illmatic a 3/10, It's still heralded in Hip Hop as one of the best if not THE best Hip Hop album of all time.

Comming from a lil wayne fan


this thread holds no water

I listened to Illmatic last night and I gotta agree with the first couple of posts. The CD really failed when it comes to withstanding the test of time. The beats sound like they were poorly mixed, and they just...didnt keep me interested.

Lyrically, Nas was average at best. At times, he dropped some nice lines but he failed to stay consistent through out a verse. Illmatic is really overrated.

Illmatic = 2.5/10

That's false homie...

Nobody since maybe Jay has made an album like Illmatic where it stands on a pedestal in achieving greatness an artist. You ask any "real" hip hop artist about Illmatic and 9 times out of 10 you'll get the word...CLASSIC

Of course we're in 2009 now and that album was made in '92-94 so of course the beat styles are different, rhyme styles are different...but without question it stands the test of time considering its the album every hip hop artist strives to make in their career.

I'm sure in 20 years when kids talk about how wack DMX is you'll have a similar opinion :fing02:

Yeah he jsut spit words sure. No emotion right? Did you listen to the deep story he spit on One Love? The realism of life he dropped in Life's A *****? What about the rawness of NY State of Mind Pt. 1? You didn't listen to it good enough.

And you probably had biased against him before you put it on. This thread is a joke and bait. No way is Illmatice a 3/10. That had me rollin.

I do find it funny that you like One Time for yah Mind. A lot of people hate that song but it's probably my second or third favorite.

Yeah he jsut spit words sure. No emotion right? Did you listen to the deep story he spit on One Love? The realism of life he dropped in Life's A *****? What about the rawness of NY State of Mind Pt. 1? You didn't listen to it good enough.

And you probably had biased against him before you put it on. This thread is a joke and bait. No way is Illmatice a 3/10. That had me rollin.

I do find it funny that you like One Time for yah Mind. A lot of people hate that song but it's probably my second or third favorite.

Yea like One Love is an amazing song. That's why when I read the thread Im like, "Did ya'll REALLY listen to this album?"

AZ had possibly one of the illest verses of the 90s on Life's a *****. That verse made him a household name in Hip Hop.

And ****...I wasn't born in NY, but when I heard NY State of Mind, Nas took me to Queensbridge, to Brooklyn, to the BX and then eventually when i was living there for a while I understood everything.

Timeless album...

In fairness to Verse, he doesn't have to like what we like though.

And its obvious he gave it a chance, its not like hes making it all up to piss anyone off.

In fairness to him, saying Nas just "spits out lyrics" while Wayne is one of his favorite artists makes his opinion irrelevant.

Wayne is the master of just "spitting out lyrics" What the **** was A Millie?

And I like Verse, but that excuse doesn't cut it.

The production still sounds fresh to me. It Aint Hard To Tell will never sound dated to me. It's just a different type of production. N.Y. State of Mind is as raw of a beat as you will hear, and it matches the song perfectly.

Maybe your right about the low IQ.

So, you mean to tell me that you couldn't understand that my comment was to make a point? You are even dumber than I originally thought.:lol1::rofl:

So, you mean to tell me that you couldn't understand that my comment was to make a point? You are even dumber than I originally thought.:lol1::rofl:



Chin up, no tears.


Age 9, that ****s funny man. How long did it take you to come up with that piece of comedy gold?

hahaha im not suprised u don't like illmatic but like wayne...1 song from illmatic>>wayne

One Love >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weezy's career

In fairness to Verse, he doesn't have to like what we like though.

And its obvious he gave it a chance, its not like hes making it all up to piss anyone off.
when its you 100th thread telling veryone how nas is not emotional or whatever he labels it its hate man.

same **** just a different day. its an obseession with vers some might say its his advocacy.

This has got to be the most juvenile response I have ever read, and you are trying way to hard to prove that you are right, by going off on a different tangent about mistakes being made by human errors in music. This has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about and you know it.
Something that is judged solely on an emotional response of an individual can not be objective.




LOL, so the only criteria for being a good singer is hitting notes correctly?


So it is not only your philosophy of music that's feminine it's your approach to debate as well.


I gave you nothing but logical analysis and instead of offering a rebuttal you menstrated all over the thread.

You said music was ENTIRELY subjective. I even ceded that it was PARTIALLY subjective and you still had to keep going, so I offered you a simple lesson in why music was not ENTIRELY subjective, period. If you do not mean the words that you are using then you shouldn't use them, especially when you are using them in the context of "correcting" someone.


By the way, missing or hitting notes is not a matter of "mistake" it is a matter of skill. So is riding a beat by the way. Art is using talent and skill to convey emotion and ideas, it is not just conveying emotions and ideas.
That is why if all you can do is draw stick figures you are not a good sketch artist no matter how emotional you are about what you are drawing, and it is not "subjective".

So it is not only your philosophy of music that's feminine it's your approach to debate as well.


I gave you nothing but logical analysis and instead of offering a rebuttal you menstrated all over the thread.

You said music was ENTIRELY subjective. I even ceded that it was PARTIALLY subjective and you still had to keep going, so I offered you a simple lesson in why music was not ENTIRELY subjective, period. If you do not mean the words that you are using then you shouldn't use them, especially when you are using them in the context of "correcting" someone.


By the way, missing or hitting notes is not a matter of "mistake" it is a matter of skill. So is riding a beat by the way. Art is using talent and skill to convey emotion and ideas, it is not just conveying emotions and ideas.
That is why if all you can do is draw stick figures you are not a good sketch artist no matter how emotional you are about what you are drawing, and it is not "subjective".

Your original post discussing the hitting or missing of notes is the first and only response discussing the subject, and you know that we are talking about the comparison, and contrasting of artists. You are making a weak attempt to try and prove that you are right by twisting/changing the subject matter at hand. You are clearly wrong.

I like Nas and Illmatic is a nice album but to me it isn't the greatest album ever made as most say it is. To be honest I think alot of people rate it so high because other people rate it so high. It's just like anything else. A few people say it's the greatest of all time and then other people let that influence thier opinion of the album.

There are alot of other albums that I would put in my cd player over Illmatic.

I say its the best I've heard because it is imo....not because others say it.

There's certain albums in Hip Hop that are just called classics off GP. Illmatic is definitely one of those albums.

Now being that some of the kids on here who don't like Illmatic were about 4 when Illmatic first came out (which ironically was on my birthday lol) I can understand how some of them may not be moved by it being they came up on the DMXs, Jay Z's, Master P, early Cash Money, etc.

Illmatic is an album that became a classic over time and really changed the way albums from then on were made. You had an all star production crew of DJ Premier, Pete Rock, Q-Tip, LES, and Large Professor. To this day there hasn't been an album that all the different producers were able to capture the same vibe but still be able to stand alone from the other songs on the album.

Though I HEAVILY disagree with giving Illmatic a 3/10, It's still heralded in Hip Hop as one of the best if not THE best Hip Hop album of all time.
The majority of great rappers come from NY, I Am is the album that should be hailed as a classic, Nas was a bit more diverse in that album, Illmatic sounds the same, The Source and the N.Y fans came off too quicky to give of Nas his just dues as a rising star with Illmatic, Canibus's Can I Bus is a album that didnt get its just dues as a classic, Mother****er made me think while not putting me to sleep, Nas is definitely a hip hop legend but 9 outta 10 fans on the west coast wont tell you Illmatic is a great album while 9 outta 10 west coast fans will tell you i Am is a ****in masterpiece, that being said, i ****in hate Nas but Illmatic is only a NY classic, I Am is a Hip Hop classic

The majority of great rappers come from NY, I Am is the album that should be hailed as a classic, Nas was a bit more diverse in that album, Illmatic sounds the same, The Source and the N.Y fans came off too quicky to give of Nas his just dues as a rising star with Illmatic, Canibus's Can I Bus is a album that didnt get its just dues as a classic, Mother****er made me think while not putting me to sleep, Nas is definitely a hip hop legend but 9 outta 10 fans on the west coast wont tell you Illmatic is a great album while 9 outta 10 west coast fans will tell you i Am is a ****in masterpiece, that being said, i ****in hate Nas but Illmatic is only a NY classic, I Am is a Hip Hop classic

i respectfully disagree, i think Illmatic is all-around a better album than I Am, although lyrically, I would understand if you think I Am being better. Production wise, it's no contest really, Illmatic has better beats no question. Pete Rock, DJ Premier and Large Professor drop GEMS on Illmatic, where I Am is just solid not great.

Yeah he jsut spit words sure. No emotion right? Did you listen to the deep story he spit on One Love? The realism of life he dropped in Life's A *****? What about the rawness of NY State of Mind Pt. 1? You didn't listen to it good enough.

And you probably had biased against him before you put it on. This thread is a joke and bait. No way is Illmatice a 3/10. That had me rollin.

I do find it funny that you like One Time for yah Mind. A lot of people hate that song but it's probably my second or third favorite.

No bait thread this time, real talk. If it's higher to you then so be it.

In fairness to him, saying Nas just "spits out lyrics" while Wayne is one of his favorite artists makes his opinion irrelevant.

Wayne is the master of just "spitting out lyrics" What the **** was A Millie?

And I like Verse, but that excuse doesn't cut it.

Nas in some songs shows emotion, Wayne in a lot of songs don't show emotion, but for the ones that he does I relate and stick with it.

when its you 100th thread telling veryone how nas is not emotional or whatever he labels it its hate man.

same **** just a different day. its an obseession with vers some might say its his advocacy.

Haha, no obsession, Nas has those 5 songs I mentioned as my top 50 ever. Just the rest of his **** I don't feel. I think Nas is alright, no hate.

I never listened to Illmatic. Its too far before my time. BTW i wasnt really born in 2001, Im 15 years old. I dont really like Nas. His music is for older people. Maybe Ill like him more when Im older. lol!!

i respectfully disagree, i think Illmatic is all-around a better album than I Am, although lyrically, I would understand if you think I Am being better. Production wise, it's no contest really, Illmatic has better beats no question. Pete Rock, DJ Premier and Large Professor drop GEMS on Illmatic, where I Am is just solid not great.
their you go, nas does have great lyrics

i cant remember what album these lines he used:

im kinda like a prophet and youre the oppisite,

those were lyrics where i was was like **** man, :hail:Nas is a legend but Illmatic to me was his showcase to his potential which was given out and delivered in I Am, lyrically illmatic was great but to make a true classic, production has to be great as well(ex., The 36 Chambers, Doggystyle, The Chronic) Nobody can debate those are Hip Hop masterpieces but as you see with Illmatic, Many than its fair share of Hip Hop fans give it a 3 outta 10 rating, Illmatic is a east coast classic that can only be felt by east coast fan mostly

36 chambers and Doggystyle is felt by everyone and their moms

I respect all you guys opinions, but I don't try to shove Weezy in your face and tell you you're stupid for not liking him. I know a LOT of ppl that don't like Nas. I mean not like one song! It's just something I would have to feel myself, I don't get that with a majority of his work, he makes me sleepy(LITERALLY)

When I was listening to it the other day I tried hard to not lose focus and listen. I only took a 5min break from listening cause I had to do something. Nas is just not my type of rapper.

their you go, nas does have great lyrics

i cant remember what album these lines he used:

im kinda like a prophet and youre the oppisite,

those were lyrics where i was was like **** man, :hail:Nas is a legend but Illmatic to me was his showcase to his potential which was given out and delivered in I Am, lyrically illmatic was great but to make a true classic, production has to be great as well(ex., The 36 Chambers, Doggystyle, The Chronic) Nobody can debate those are Hip Hop masterpieces but as you see with Illmatic, Many than its fair share of Hip Hop fans give it a 3 outta 10 rating, Illmatic is a east coast classic that can only be felt by east coast fan mostly

36 chambers and Doggystyle is felt by everyone and their moms

That's because the beats and lyrics aren't as dense as Illmatic. You could listen to Doggystyle once and youll like it right away. I will admit that I didn't really like Illmatic on my first time listening to it, but it gets better with every play.

[/B]That's because the beats and lyrics aren't as dense as Illmatic. You could listen to Doggystyle once and youll like it right away. I will admit that I didn't really like Illmatic on my first time listening to it, but it gets better with every play.

I was in NY when Illmatic was about to drop and the buzz was ****in insane. Half Time had dropped a year before and It Aint Hard to Tell had just dropped a little before the album dropped and Hot 97 was killin it.

I mean at the time when Illmatic came out, you had Black Moon, KRS's Boom Bap album, Tribe's Midnight Marauders, and many others. Illmatic was THAT album that made dudes go back in the lab and re-record their albums.

[/b]That's because the beats and lyrics aren't as dense as Illmatic. You could listen to Doggystyle once and youll like it right away. I will admit that I didn't really like Illmatic on my first time listening to it, but it gets better with every play.
you can do that with any c.d, any album, man , i heard so much music by everyone and every genre that i wind up liking it because the the dense sound got recorded in my head after every play, i can say that with a Shaq c.d, if i hear it enough times, the music will be recorded in my memory, it doesnt mean i like it, its just i grew into it


Shaq is no nas ,by the way

I for one, think that God's Son and Stillmatic are on the same level as Illmatic. The GOAT hip hop album, IMO, comes down to "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx", "III:Temples of Boom", "Liquid Swords", "Operation Doomsday", those are probably my top 4 best quality albums. Production-wise, the beats are ****ing flawless, and lyrically, Rae,Gza+their Wu guests, B-Real and MF DOOM lyrically destroy the entire albums.

I for one, think that God's Son and Stillmatic are on the same level as Illmatic. The GOAT hip hop album, IMO, comes down to "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx", "III:Temples of Boom", "Liquid Swords", "Operation Doomsday", those are probably my top 4 best quality albums. Production-wise, the beats are ****ing flawless, and lyrically, Rae,Gza+their Wu guests, B-Real and MF DOOM lyrically destroy the entire albums.
Killah Priest and Cappa Donna, you aint feeling any of theiralbums cause when i heard that ****, i just went crazy on the **** they would spit out, **** was amazing

Killah Priest and Cappa Donna, you aint feeling any of theiralbums cause when i heard that ****, i just went crazy on the **** they would spit out, **** was amazing

both ILL....

I for one, think that God's Son and Stillmatic are on the same level as Illmatic. The GOAT hip hop album, IMO, comes down to "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx", "III:Temples of Boom", "Liquid Swords", "Operation Doomsday", those are probably my top 4 best quality albums. Production-wise, the beats are ****ing flawless, and lyrically, Rae,Gza+their Wu guests, B-Real and MF DOOM lyrically destroy the entire albums.

I love stillmatic and gods son.

and i think stillmatic is a classic for sure. i think god son is also a possible classic.

but how are either on the same level as illmatic?

This is an album that ALL hip hop artist new and old refer to as a classic, and one that change the current face of hip hop. I remember a B.G. (HotBoyz) in an interview and he talked about how this album represented how he felt (referring to Life's B$(@$).

This album has been sampled, duplicated (attempted), and re-distributed. Nas is one of the most bitten rappers of all time. This album had so many flavors and verses its unreal.


My point is that this album is to hip hop as Miles Davis's 'So What' is to Jazz.

Biggie over Nas all day and night.

Biggie over Nas all day and night.

what the **** does that have to do with anything?
we are talking about Illmatic here not comparing Nas to BIG...

what the **** does that have to do with anything?
we are talking about Illmatic here not comparing Nas to BIG...

I meant over Illmatic, sorry for not elaborating...

Your original post discussing the hitting or missing of notes is the first and only response discussing the subject, and you know that we are talking about the comparison, and contrasting of artists. You are making a weak attempt to try and prove that you are right by twisting/changing the subject matter at hand. You are clearly wrong.

I guess I can't expect proof or arguments from a guy that believes that everything is relative huh? lol

You made a false statement about the nature of music in general and I just called you on it. You haven't done a single thing to knock down my definition of art that shows that art is not entirely relative. I repeat, art is not simply conveying emotion and ideas, it is using talent and skill to convey emotion and ideas.

none taken. respects for being all sensitive to my feelings n **** though.
how feminine of you...
haha
just kidding.

.......lol

I meant over Illmatic, sorry for not elaborating...

that's still pretty irrelevant. it was just a really random statement.

3/10? http://i44.tinypic.com/212s77s.gif