two of the best heavyweights who would you pick

very original there, ummm id pick the one with the two hands, and the two legs.

very original there, ummm id pick the one with the two hands, and the two legs.
probably ali boxes mike tyson to death until mike gets tired in the mid to late rounds and then begins to unleash on tyson until he drops him for good in the 11 round:boxing:

two of the best heavyweights who would you pick

No contest. Ali does to Tyson what he did to Liston. Ali by middle rounds ko or Tyson quits in his corner with both eyes swollen

Ali would humiliate Tyson

Ali's style is all wrong for Iron Mike, plus Ali is just that much greater

Ali would humiliate Tyson

Ali's style is all wrong for Iron Mike, plus Ali is just that much greater


Couldn't a said it better meself.

Ali decision, not nearly as brutal as people think though.

Ali wins, but i'm gonna leave a note and say Ali's style was NOT an effective style to beat a pressure fighter. He wooped Liston because Liston was slow. Ali does not have an uppercut, and he is a head hunter, thats 2 things that would prevent him from "pulverizing" Tyson.

Ali will win because of his adaptability and durability, Tyson might even get a knock down.

Completely ludacris that people think he would pulverize Tyson when he couldn't even do it to the slower weaker chinned Frazier.

Ali decision, not nearly as brutal as people think though.

Ali wins, but i'm gonna leave a note and say Ali's style was NOT an effective style to beat a pressure fighter. He wooped Liston because Liston was slow. Ali does not have an uppercut, and he is a head hunter, thats 2 things that would prevent him from "pulverizing" Tyson.

Ali will win because of his adaptability and durability, Tyson might even get a knock down.

Completely ludacris that people think he would pulverize Tyson when he couldn't even do it to the slower weaker chinned Frazier.


LOL yer always ridin Tyson's nuts.

Frazier had something Tyson never had: Heart.

Ali specialized in taking out power punchers (Foreman Shavers Liston Frazier, etc) and I think the lily livered Tyson would've fared about as well as Liston. If Frank Bruno and Francois Botha made Tyson look crude, imagine how Tyson would've looked against a thoroughbred at the peak of his powers.

ALI KO 6

LOL yer always ridin Tyson's nuts.

Frazier had something Tyson never had: Heart.

Ali specialized in taking out power punchers (Foreman Shavers Liston Frazier, etc) and I think the lily livered Tyson would've fared about as well as Liston. If Frank Bruno and Francois Botha made Tyson look crude, imagine how Tyson would've looked against a thoroughbred at the peak of his powers.

ALI KO 6

how am I riding his nuts? i'm being logical about it. You are the one who's being delusional, you would probably pick Samuel Peter over Tyson.

Considering I picked Ali to win, yet I'm riding Tyson's nuts?

Once again you show your stupidity "Ali specialized in taking out power punchers (Foreman Shavers Liston Frazier, etc)" What are there only 2 types of boxers? Power punchers and runners? Thats what you are saying. Saying Ali specialized in beating oponents with a good punch, that's fu*king stupid. Break it down a little more. You have Foreman and Liston, two heavy handed slower fighters, one of them likes to box, the other bullies and slugs. You have Frazier, a 204 lb Pressure fighter that primarily worked off one hand, who gave Ali lots of problems.

Yes, Frazier does have more heart than Tyson, but he was also a slower starter, you start slow, you finish fast. You start fast, you end slow.

I don't see what the problem is, we both agree Ali wins, but i think you're delusional reasons are pretty biased. Ali is going to win because of his toughness and durability, and his adaptability (he'd probably lean on Tyson).

Stupid to think Ali would just dance with Tyson, and ko him in 6, when he couldn't do it to a slower Frazier with a weaker chin.

ZOMG LOL

It would be a trilogy. It could go either way. Ali is dangerous on the outside and Mike Tyson is a beast on the inside.

I can't call it.

But I know I'll be destroying folks with both of them on Fight Night Round 4!!

LOL yer always ridin Tyson's nuts.

No he isn't. While there are plenty of Tyson nuthuggers on this site he isn't one of them. I thought he was at one time but since then he's shown to be a reasonable poster who's gotten my respect. While I personally think Ali performs better against Tyson than he does, he DOES have Ali winning after all.

Poet

how am I riding his nuts? i'm being logical about it. You are the one who's being delusional, you would probably pick Samuel Peter over Tyson.

Considering I picked Ali to win, yet I'm riding Tyson's nuts?

Once again you show your stupidity "Ali specialized in taking out power punchers (Foreman Shavers Liston Frazier, etc)" What are there only 2 types of boxers? Power punchers and runners? Thats what you are saying. Saying Ali specialized in beating oponents with a good punch, that's fu*king stupid. Break it down a little more. You have Foreman and Liston, two heavy handed slower fighters, one of them likes to box, the other bullies and slugs. You have Frazier, a 204 lb Pressure fighter that primarily worked off one hand, who gave Ali lots of problems.

Yes, Frazier does have more heart than Tyson, but he was also a slower starter, you start slow, you finish fast. You start fast, you end slow.

I don't see what the problem is, we both agree Ali wins, but i think you're delusional reasons are pretty biased. Ali is going to win because of his toughness and durability, and his adaptability (he'd probably lean on Tyson).

Stupid to think Ali would just dance with Tyson, and ko him in 6, when he couldn't do it to a slower Frazier with a weaker chin.

ZOMG LOL

I think the reason Frazier was more successful against Ali then I think Tyson would be is two factors that Frazier had and Tyson did not: Terrific endurance that enabled him to wing punches just as ferociously in round 15 as in round 5; and a consistant, determined body attack that enabled him to slow down a fleet-footed opponent. Tyson COULD have had that type of body attack but never had the discipline to go to the body for extended periods: He would in spurts but always couldn't wait to get back to head-hunting. His endurance was also suspect, much like that of the young George Foreman: That's something Frazier NEVER had a problem with.

Poet

I think the reason Frazier was more successful against Ali then I think Tyson would be is two factors that Frazier had and Tyson did not: Terrific endurance that enabled him to wing punches just as ferociously in round 15 as in round 5; and a consistant, determined body attack that enabled him to slow down a fleet-footed opponent. Tyson COULD have had that type of body attack but never had the discipline to go to the body for extended periods: He would in spurts but always couldn't wait to get back to head-hunting. His endurance was also suspect, much like that of the young George Foreman: That's something Frazier NEVER had a problem with.

Poet

I'm not disagreeing that Frazier would have more success against Ali than Tyson, I just find "Knighte" rather delusional in thinking Ali would stop Tyson in 6 rounds.

I pretty much see it this way, Tyson looking good and getting some success for about 4 rounds, the rest of the fight slowly developes into a hefty Ali UD12. I see Ali hurting Tyson perhaps near the end but i do not see him stopping him. Even way past his prime and eating massive shots Tyson showed the durability of his chin.

I get called a nuthugger for even giving Tyson a chance against anyone, It seems like every hater thinks Tyson would crack mentally under anyones pressure (even Chris Aereola), and still fail to recognize the man did unify 3 belts and destroyed all the top competition of the 80's.

If Wladmir Klitschko had a fight with Tyson in 88' I would bet my life he would look like just another stepping stone.

how am I riding his nuts? i'm being logical about it. You are the one who's being delusional, you would probably pick Samuel Peter over Tyson.

Considering I picked Ali to win, yet I'm riding Tyson's nuts?

Once again you show your stupidity "Ali specialized in taking out power punchers (Foreman Shavers Liston Frazier, etc)" What are there only 2 types of boxers? Power punchers and runners? Thats what you are saying. Saying Ali specialized in beating oponents with a good punch, that's fu*king stupid. Break it down a little more. You have Foreman and Liston, two heavy handed slower fighters, one of them likes to box, the other bullies and slugs. You have Frazier, a 204 lb Pressure fighter that primarily worked off one hand, who gave Ali lots of problems.

Yes, Frazier does have more heart than Tyson, but he was also a slower starter, you start slow, you finish fast. You start fast, you end slow.

I don't see what the problem is, we both agree Ali wins, but i think you're delusional reasons are pretty biased. Ali is going to win because of his toughness and durability, and his adaptability (he'd probably lean on Tyson).

Stupid to think Ali would just dance with Tyson, and ko him in 6, when he couldn't do it to a slower Frazier with a weaker chin.

ZOMG LOL






Yeah I agree. If a post-prime Tyson could take Holyfield's fire power for 11 rounds Ali is not knocking out a prime Tyson.

UD Ali.

i would do anything to see that fight it would be amazing

ali would outbox him, dance away, lean on him, fire fast peppering combos into his face, probably taunt him as well, tyson would crumble and get stopped in the late round or possibly quit ....or a comfortable UD for ali

however tyson was very explosive early in a fight so if he wobbled, troubled or even dropped ali before round 5-6 i wouldnt be suprised

prime tyson loses to just about any great heavy weight he is far from great himself and he is the most overrated boxer in the history of the sport

tyson couldnt beat the best of his era even if he fought them in his prime u know the tyson in his 20s the unstoppable version that got beat by buster douglas lol well yeah prime for prime he loses to lewis, holyfield i would also pic bowe over him

and to the guy that said that frazier was weaker and not as strong as tyson? wtf do u base this on? watchs round 14 of ali frazier 3 do u think tyson would of still been on his feet? do u think tyson would of pleaded with his corner for the fight to carry on with no sight in both eyes? mean while a battered ali pleaded with his corner to stop the fight

It would look like James Tillis vs Mike Tyson except Muhammad Ali would be much more effective. And would win by atleast 3 rounds over 12 rounds.

That's a no brainer. Prime Ali would slaughter Prime Tyson. ESPN already went over this. Tyson has a hard time fighting tall bigger fighters with a jab. ALI definitely had a jab....a double jab nonetheless.

I'm not disagreeing that Frazier would have more success against Ali than Tyson, I just find "Knighte" rather delusional in thinking Ali would stop Tyson in 6 rounds.

I pretty much see it this way, Tyson looking good and getting some success for about 4 rounds, the rest of the fight slowly developes into a hefty Ali UD12. I see Ali hurting Tyson perhaps near the end but i do not see him stopping him. Even way past his prime and eating massive shots Tyson showed the durability of his chin.

And that's a reasonable scenario. People forget Ali wasn't a big puncher and KOed most opponents through an accumulation of punches or cuts and swelling. Accumulating punches takes time and would indicate a stoppage sometime during the second half of the fight not a relatively quick stoppage. Cuts and swelling is chancier and unless the opponent was a known bleeder it just doesn't make sense to predict early stoppage via that route.

I get called a nuthugger for even giving Tyson a chance against anyone, It seems like every hater thinks Tyson would crack mentally under anyones pressure (even Chris Aereola), and still fail to recognize the man did unify 3 belts and destroyed all the top competition of the 80's.

I certainly have my criticisms of Tyson but I DO get offended when people make out he was some kind of bum.

If Wladmir Klitschko had a fight with Tyson in 88' I would bet my life he would look like just another stepping stone.

LOL with Wlad's chin stepping-stone status might be generous!

Poet

Yeah I agree. If a post-prime Tyson could take Holyfield's fire power for 11 rounds Ali is not knocking out a prime Tyson.

UD Ali.

I have no problems with someone calling for an Ali stoppage, but an EARLY stoppage is probably unreasonable.

Poet

That's a no brainer. Prime Ali would slaughter Prime Tyson. ESPN already went over this. Tyson has a hard time fighting tall bigger fighters with a jab. ALI definitely had a jab....a double jab nonetheless.

I dunno about slaughter i think he would do well in the early rounds, but overall Muhammad Ali would be too good on his feet. His jab would be too much as would his mental mind games and his toughness.

Mike Tyson's best bet would be go to the body while Muhammad Ali's on the ropes, and i still don't think he would have much effect on Muhammad Ali. Considering Muhammad Got pounded to the body constantly by Joe Frazier and nothing happened.

Mike Tyson's concentration is what lets him down even in his prime against Jose Ribalta, he got sloppy and frustrated when he couldn't finish off Jose Ribalta early, and even against James Tillis, Tony Tucker, it shows aswell.

Thats why Mike Tyson rarely has a KO in the 2nd half of a fight, because he gets sloppy and starts looking for the 1 punch KO. Instead of setting up his punches like he would do early on.

Muhammad Ali is totally different his concentration is amazing, the way he studied George Foreman while being on the ropes was masterful to watch.

I don't give a damn what anyone says... You and I both know that the ref gave Buster a slow ass count to 15 and gave Tyson a quick count out. Tyson won that fight. The referee of the fight was a moron.

ESPN already went over this.

** Oh, wowie zowie, espeons has spoken and minions of opinions and other assorted orifices must bow, eh?

Well, then, time to go to Ibro where Harry Greb beats Ali because he's greater than Ali and whipped every heavy that would fight him and Joe Louis whoops the both. Question already been sorted for those who like their tenderloins prechewed and their escargot gently pregummed.

For the rest of us, my heavens to the gods of splotto, Ali is one of the most beatable champions in the history of the sport through out his career. Had that been 19 yr old Tyson in the ring instead of Sonny Banks, Ali might have crashed the mothership on the dark side of the moon before Pink Floyd.

Going up through the ranks from Doug Jones, Cooper, Mildenberger, comeback fiascos aplenty, you could plug any similar aged great in those fights and Ali could well be beaten. Norton owned him outright in spite of what the record shows.

Oh, wow, you say Tyson got beat too? Duhhhh! Means you got a fight that anyone can win on their day. Youth favors Tyson and experience favors Ali over time.

Be great fights unless you like your tenderloin prechewed and escargot pregummed and your beer lite.

I don't give a damn what anyone says... You and I both know that the ref gave Buster a slow ass count to 15 and gave Tyson a quick count out. Tyson won that fight. The referee of the fight was a moron.

This is the same tired nut-hugger's excuse that gets recycled over and over again. Next post you'll be *****ing about headbutts in the first Holyfield fight or maybe how unfair it was for the ref to keep letting Lennox get away with punching Mike in the face. Why don't you drink some more Tyson brand KoolAid and wash it down with with a big cup of STFU until you get some new material.

Poet

First off.. I don't nut hug any one... If you watch boxing you can clearly see what happened in that fight. Yeah Buster won with the help of the referee because he was clearly knocked the **** out! Just go back and rewatch the footage and count how many seconds that referee wastes. I could give a **** about the Holyfield fight. Holyfield needs to retire. Lennox Lewis beat the hell out of Mike Tyson no excuses.

This is what I have to say to the poster above.

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First off.. I don't nut hug any one....

Then why do you have a hammerlock on Tyson's gonads?

If you watch boxing you can clearly see what happened in that fight. Yeah Buster won with the help of the referee because he was clearly knocked the **** out! Just go back and rewatch the footage and count how many seconds that referee wastes.

Junior, I've probably watched that fight more times than you've watched total fights. If YOU'VE seen the fight even once without watching it through a KoolAid induced stupor you'd have seen Buster watching the ref's count and getting up at the appropriate time. At NO time was he rendered senseless (unlike you) and could have risen at any point. He was in no way, shape, or form "knocked the **** out". Tyson, on the other hand, was attempting to perform oral sex on his mouth-piece backwards and upside down and clearly didn't know where he was, who he was, or who that mean man was that just beat the **** out of him. If I was the ref and saw him doing like that I would have stopped the fight EVEN IF HE HADN'T GONE DOWN and wouldn't have bothered with a standing eight.

Now, stop giving your hero blow-jobs and get a clue about boxing.

Poet

I don't know about that one. My boxing collection is pretty deep.

It seems you got your mouth wrapped around ali's nuts.


Mike Tyson = 50-6
Muhammad Ali = 56-5

Ali had six more fights than Tyson and one less loss than him.
Yes Ali fought the tougher fights. 12+ 15 round fights.
Ali would take punishment to the body round after round
Tyson would knock opponents out within the first 3 rounds
Two of the greatest heavyweights to ever step in the ring.

Like I said before this fight can go either way.
I see it being a trilogy
Fight Night Round 4 is the only way this fight can happen. It is truly The Dream Match and i'm not talking about the ****ty fight between De La Hoya and Pacman.

Tyson is one of the most dangerous fighters on the inside
Ali is one of the most dangerous fighters on the outside from a distance

This thread is about Prime Ali vs. Prime Tyson

Not about who's nuthugging.

You should get a clue about boxing rather than arguing like a damn kid.

I don't know about that one. My boxing collection is pretty deep.

Then you need to roll yourself over to the video download forum and compare your collection to mine.

It seems you got your mouth wrapped around ali's nuts.

Ali isn't even my favorite Heavyweight, Joe Louis is. I also have a fondness fore Larry Holmes and Sonny Liston.


Mike Tyson = 50-6
Muhammad Ali = 56-5

Ali had six more fights than Tyson and one less loss than him.
Yes Ali fought the tougher fights. 12+ 15 round fights.
Ali would take punishment to the body round after round
Tyson would knock opponents out within the first 3 rounds
Two of the greatest heavyweights to ever step in the ring.


At what point in a fight a fighters gets his KOs or if he even gets a KO at all is irrelivent to determining a fighter's greatness.


Like I said before this fight can go either way.
I see it being a trilogy
Fight Night Round 4 is the only way this fight can happen. It is truly The Dream Match and i'm not talking about the ****ty fight between De La Hoya and Pacman.


If that ****ty little VIDEO GAME is the best you can do for a fight simulator it's no wonder you have perspective problems.

Tyson is one of the most dangerous fighters on the inside

No he wasn't. Tyson didn't like to fight on the inside and would tie his man up when he got there. Tyson preffered to fight at mid-range where he could get maximum leverage into his punches. If you have really watched Tyson you would know that.


This thread is about Prime Ali vs. Prime Tyson

Not about who's nuthugging.


If you make nuthugging posts (such as your first) you turn into a thread about nuthugging.

You should get a clue about boxing rather than arguing like a damn kid.

Considering I've been watching boxing since before you were born I think I've discovered more than a few clues that have eluded you Junior. Furthermore, if you are going to make posts like a juvenile, nutt-hugging, little fan-boi then you can expect me to respond in a manner that you will understand.

Poet

If Wladmir Klitschko had a fight with Tyson in 88' I would bet my life he would look like just another stepping stone.


No doubt - and I despise Tyson.

As for Tyson-Ali.. I see Tyson swinging at air for much of this fight, and getting peppered with jabs until he can barely see out of his swollen eyes. He might wobble Ali once or twice after landing some solid (i.e. lucky) blows, but a pissed-off Ali would eventually have his way as he did against great sluggers like Foreman, Shavers, Liston, etc.

I'm sure Tyson devotees would envision a much closer fight, but can anyone truly see him winning this thing? Ali had the edge in everything but power.

never mind LondonRingRules he's a bitter old cunt who molests small children

as for ali vs tyson pfft who cares it's been done to death and most of the cunts who try to break down dream fights opinions don't mean **** because they have never stepped in the ring them selves

pick apart a fight all you want it doesn't mean **** anyone of them could win


oh and again LondonRingRules please die

This is what I have to say to the poster above.

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You'll eat his ******* alive?

No he wasn't. Tyson didn't like to fight on the inside and would tie his man up when he got there. Tyson preffered to fight at mid-range where he could get maximum leverage into his punches. If you have really watched Tyson you would know that.


Poet

thats a common misconception that people seem to think Tyson was an inside fighter, speaking of video games even EA sports seems to treat Tyson as an inside fighter. Truth is, he absolutely did nothing on the inside when he got there, it's almost as if his trainers never told him what to do.

Really, Tyson was a mid range fighter that would slip under his opponent's punches and counter them while they were throwing - or about to throw a punch (this is what would probably make his knockout's look so spectacular, and got him his fanbase)

I think he automatically gets the label of an inside fighter because he's short and stocky. Same thing goes how people compare his style to Frazier (which I have done) when really they are quite different.

Really, according to the boxing textbook, Tyson is a counter puncher - just it happens so fast and he's always coming forward, so it doesn't appear that way. Slipping under a punch and countering with a hook is a counter though non the less - watching his fights that's what he liked to do.

thats a common misconception that people seem to think Tyson was an inside fighter, speaking of video games even EA sports seems to treat Tyson as an inside fighter. Truth is, he absolutely did nothing on the inside when he got there, it's almost as if his trainers never told him what to do.

Really, Tyson was a mid range fighter that would slip under his opponent's punches and counter them while they were throwing - or about to throw a punch (this is what would probably make his knockout's look so spectacular, and got him his fanbase)

I think he automatically gets the label of an inside fighter because he's short and stocky. Same thing goes how people compare his style to Frazier (which I have done) when really they are quite different.

Really, according to the boxing textbook, Tyson is a counter puncher - just it happens so fast and he's always coming forward, so it doesn't appear that way. Slipping under a punch and countering with a hook is a counter though non the less - watching his fights that's what he liked to do.

Bingo!

That's it really. At first glance you look at Tyson and think "short, stocky short-armed fighter = inside fighter". First glances can be decieving though. That's why I always asked if some one has really WATCHED him fight: I mean, put away the fan mind, stop getting entertained, and just watched the fights like you're a scientist over a microsope. What you're likely to see then can be quite different than what you see as a fan.

Poet

You'll eat his ******* alive?


:haha:

Poet

I'd pick Ali over a good distance, with Tyson being competitive early on.

Off topic though, Am I the only one had Liston-Ali 1 pretty close through 6. I think it was either 57-57 or 58-56 for Ali. It was by no means a blowout like the second fight or how it is described. Ali lands some great shots, but Liston has some effect with his pressure.

This is a tough call. On one hand I could see Ali winning a decision, then again I could see Tyson winning as well. I could see Ali outboxing any fighter that ever lived, however, even he admitted that he has the most trouble with the Frazier/Marciano/Dempsey type fighters that fight out of the crouch. At the same time, there are too many questions to ask, for instance how many rounds is the fight? If it is 15 then I would probably lean towards Ali winning a decision, if it is only a 12 or even 10 rounder then I would lean to Tyson. Also, is Cus still alive when this fight takes place? The reason I ask is because Cus really seemed to know Ali's style, in fact he was trying to talk Jose Torres into moving up to heavyweight to fight Ali. I am not sure how much stock you want to put into this clip starting at 1:10, but Cus had an idea of how to defeat Ali:

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Regardless, I would have love to have seen the fight, but I think Tyson would have given Ali fits, since stylistically he is a bad matchup for the Greatest.

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If it is 15 then I would probably lean towards Ali winning a decision, if it is only a 12 or even 10 rounder then I would lean to Tyson.




So you think Tyson could win a decision?

If it's 15 Rounds Ali all day

If 10 Tyson has a chance

never mind LondonRingRules he's a bitter old cunt who molests small children

** Nonsense!

Youre nicely endowed young twin sister told me I was sweet BEFORE your hormone therapy after the operation we begged you not to have.

Most Ali fans will admit he should have at least a couple more losses on his record, so it's the height of inanity to think that he could just walk through any great at any point in his career when he struggled against a wide variety of fighters more so than Tyson.

You chaps have actually damned Ali to defeat by making him the overwhelming favorite in fights he was too often quite lethargic and could be upset. Ali made his chops by overcoming huge odds as the underdog in Liston and Foreman fights. The reason oddsmakers made him the massive underdog was because of those established weaknesses in the ring that led to 5 official defeats and all those struggles.

Tyson was always the overwhelming favorite up to the Lewis fight where he finally slips below even. At the lowest ebb of Tyson's career, his talent and ferocity was such that talented fighters like Doublas and Holyfield were made big underdogs. There was never a bigger monster that was gonna smash Tyson like a bug or even hold him close like a Frazier. Tyson was The MONSTER!

So you dears have created a dilemma in your rush to ignorance. You've made Ali the odds MONSTER against your self described "prime" Tyson who, by your definition had to have been the undefeated best trained fighter in the history of the sport teamed up with his HOF team.

"Prime" Ali has no such history of dismantling a fighter of that caliber any more than Tyson has a history of going into fights being the overwhelming underdog.

Facts are that the public will close those odds by taking the sweet upset odds more than they will risk losing their principle bet for a pittance against Tyson. Given that you chaps lack the savvy understanding of the game that charactorizes the oddmakers, gonna be a mad rush to claim the sweet odds, bankrupting you dears a week before the fight, so it won't matter who wins in your world as you'll be out of biz and out of the loop of the real world.

never mind LondonRingRules he's a bitter old cunt who molests small children

as for ali vs tyson pfft who cares it's been done to death and most of the cunts who try to break down dream fights opinions don't mean **** because they have never stepped in the ring them selves

pick apart a fight all you want it doesn't mean **** anyone of them could win


oh and again LondonRingRules please die

Definately a bitter cunt, but you're wrong about the small children: It's actually farm animals he molests. He also knows nothing about boxing and whatever pronouncments he makes he can't be very wrong to assume the opposite is true.

Ps. Wanting him to die is counter-productive. Society ALWAYS needs people like London to provide an object lesson as the village idiot they're sure to become like if they drop out of school and abuse controlled substances.

Poet

londonringrules I could care less of your opinion,as I am not interested in it,you gave me a response of which I dont care about because I'm not interested in this particular match up as I already stated or is the alzheimers kicking in again?

I simply insulted you and told you to go die because you contribute nothing towards life apart from being a bitter old cunt who constantly molests small children


hope to be seeing you on catch a predator very soon

me

The Ali that fought prior to his three year hiatus for refusing the draft and after he won the title from Liston was pretty much untouchable...Tyson would have been in for a heap of trouble against that guy, and more than likely would have been bloodied, embarrassed and ko'D...The Ali that fought after the three year layoff would have been someone that Mike could have had a fairly competitive fight with...

The prime Ali though.......forget about it Tyson gets worked against him..

Ali with 10th round ko. Tyson had trouble with modern fighters that boxed him, and that he could'nt intimidate, and none of them were in Ali's league.