Im going with the 6 most popular choices I see on the internet, everytime this comes up...

If i had to put them in order it would go something like this

2pac
nas
rakim
krs one
jay-z
Biggie

ras kass/big l

wordplay vs metaphors
the list you made is just the most succesfull rappers, and if you wanna go down that road you gotta have eminem

ras kass/big l

wordplay vs metaphors
the list you made is just the most succesfull rappers, and if you wanna go down that road you gotta have eminem

2pac all day everyday makaveli was the best hands down

ras kass/big l

wordplay vs metaphors
the list you made is just the most succesfull rappers, and if you wanna go down that road you gotta have eminem

I have studied the results of the "whos the greatest" polls and these 6 are the most commonly picked...If i was to put ras kass or big L, then i would have to put big daddy kane or kool g rap, or scarface...I dont believe biggie is a top 6 mc (he would have been if he didnt get shot). Im just going by the popular consensus.

"..when i'm writing im trapped in between the lines / I escape when I finish the rhyme" - Rakim 1988

I'd say Eminem. His lyrics are amazin!!

2pac is good, but would he be as big now if he wasn't shot?

"..when i'm writing im trapped in between the lines / I escape when I finish the rhyme" - Rakim 1988

I gotta admit...even though i said pacs the best, i voted for Rakim. I see a very good argument for rakim, nas, and pac...even krs one. I think that Pac was the most versatile...but what Rakim was doing in the late 80's is incredible. He changed the game. I believe his first 3 cd's were clearly classics, an argument can be made for his 4th and 5th as well...

from that list its jay-z easily. Hes the only rapper that people still listen to. All those other rappers should be deleted from raps history. Especially shnazzir.

Gnause lost.

Gold Mac....

I think the problem though with Hip Hop is that there's no respect for the the artists, producers, etc who paved the way. It's like any kid can pick up a mic and rap about bull****, and not even know about the Rakims, Kanes, Kool G raps, Melle Mel, etc, but will go out of their way to tell the "Old guys to take a seat"

But only in Hip Hop will this happen. How many R&B artists tell Stevie Wonder to "Sit down old man...its our turn"

Rakim's rhymes should be studied in College like Pac's are at USC Berkley

from that list its jay-z easily. Hes the only rapper that people still listen to. All those other rappers should be deleted from raps history. Especially shnazzir.

Gnause lost.

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1 krs one "the teacher"
2 nas
3 rakim

to me one of the main factors in picking the greatest mc is longevity,

rakim was unbelivable with his lyrics and its hard for me not to pick him but after his couple albums with eric b he made two solo albums that were good but he faded after that and didnt stand the test of time.

nas since he came out dropped great albums and is still active after 14 years. so he has stood the test of time. some people say he's not consistent enough but the lyrics are on point always.

krs one definitley stood the test of time the most as the teacher till this day you hear him spit freestyles and make albums occasionally. the reason he still can make albums today and spit freestyles at any given time is because he's what you call a true mc. he's dropped some great albums aswell and you can put him with any legendary producer primo, marly marl, pete rock, large pro, etc.. and they would make a good album guaranteed. (for example "hip hop is alive" produced by marly marl.


anyway my point is krs one is the greatest, he does it all teach, battle rap, drops good albums, spits off the top of the dome better than rakim and nas, etc.. nas is second only because he has lasted longer than rakim even though he was inspired by both krs and rakim but he has done enough to cement his legacy in hip hop. rakim is the god but the only thing that bothers me is that he didnt last as long as nas or krs for whatever reason. i have paid in full(greatest album all time), follow the leader, etc and what rakim has done is amazing but i wish he would've kept dropping albums after the 18th letter and the master

I would a put some much money on Rakim winning this poll. I wonder how many people have got any of his albums? I've got Erik B and Rakim 'Paid in Full' and that's it. And yeah, it's fire. It really is. And he's got sick lyrics and was a pioneer. But people talk about Rakim cos it means you know hip hop a bit and you think it makes you cool. Biggie is the GOAT no doubt

I think the problem though with Hip Hop is that there's no respect for the the artists, producers, etc who paved the way. It's like any kid can pick up a mic and rap about bull****, and not even know about the Rakims, Kanes, Kool G raps, Melle Mel, etc, but will go out of their way to tell the "Old guys to take a seat"

But only in Hip Hop will this happen. How many R&B artists tell Stevie Wonder to "Sit down old man...its our turn"

Rakim's rhymes should be studied in College like Pac's are at USC Berkley

excellent point.
the best i have heard on this topic in a long time.

I hate it when young dudes diss the legends. show some respect.

I think respect is a big problem in this world period, alot of people are disrespectful for no reason.

1 krs one "the teacher"
2 nas
3 rakim

to me one of the main factors in picking the greatest mc is longevity,

rakim was unbelivable with his lyrics and its hard for me not to pick him but after his couple albums with eric b he made two solo albums that were good but he faded after that and didnt stand the test of time.

nas since he came out dropped great albums and is still active after 14 years. so he has stood the test of time. some people say he's not consistent enough but the lyrics are on point always.

krs one definitley stood the test of time the most as the teacher till this day you hear him spit freestyles and make albums occasionally. the reason he still can make albums today and spit freestyles at any given time is because he's what you call a true mc. he's dropped some great albums aswell and you can put him with any legendary producer primo, marly marl, pete rock, large pro, etc.. and they would make a good album guaranteed. (for example "hip hop is alive" produced by marly marl.


anyway my point is krs one is the greatest, he does it all teach, battle rap, drops good albums, spits off the top of the dome better than rakim and nas, etc.. nas is second only because he has lasted longer than rakim even though he was inspired by both krs and rakim but he has done enough to cement his legacy in hip hop. rakim is the god but the only thing that bothers me is that he didnt last as long as nas or krs for whatever reason. i have paid in full(greatest album all time), follow the leader, etc and what rakim has done is amazing but i wish he would've kept dropping albums after the 18th letter and the master

I gotta agree with what you said about krs even though i dont consider him to be the greatest, thats a very strong argument. Hes kind of like all the greatest rappers rolled into one. Hes got swag, he can battle, he can educate, he can do any kind of concept song, and his music has withstood the test of time. The way I see it, the top 4 is really a toss up between krs one, rakim, 2pac, and nas. I respect all of them as very deserving goat candidates.

You know what? sometimes I want to say Nas is the greatest of all time...but pac had a stronger flow with political lyrics. plus he did great commercially too, I want to say Nas, I really do...but I don't know if I can...but I really want to.lol

Lyrically, i dont think Pac is close to nas but pac made a huge impact on rap. His music effected so many people. Krs one also had that effect, but not to the same extent. The way he put this song together is incredible

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^Yeah but if your just going by lyrics, Canibus is probably top 10. And also it depends what Pac your talking about, his earlier stuff was more lyrical if I remember correctly. I don't think as lyrical as Nas though. But with Pac it was the way he said things, like on Dear Mama, "Theres no wayyy I can pay you back, but the plan is to show you that I undestand!" you could feel exactly what he was saying...

but you already know this...lol when discussing this stuff its hard not to repeat things

I realize KRS One is a legend
I realize KRS One is one of the greatest rappers of all time
I respect KRS One

with that being said, I've never enjoyed his music everytime I've listened. Atleast for the most part.

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I'm going with Pac still...

Even when pac was at his best lyrically, he was never touchin Nas. But Nas never touched all the people with his music that Pac did. But then you got Rakim....

"Any MC that disagree with me wave your arm"

"I take 7 MC's put 'em in a line
And add 7 more brothas who think they can rhyme
Well, it'll take 7 more before I go for mine
Now that's 21 MC's ate up at the same time"

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Rakim, KRS one, Tupac, and Nas...I respect these 4 in any order

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just on the lyrics Pac isn't the greatest IMO, but overall in my opinion he is...

Just on lyrics Rakim, Nas, KRS, AZ, GZA...etc

just on the lyrics Pac isn't the greatest IMO, but overall in my opinion he is...

Just on lyrics Rakim, Nas, KRS, AZ, GZA...etc

I guess it depends how you measure what 'best' really means!

^Yeah but if your just going by lyrics, Canibus is probably top 10. And also it depends what Pac your talking about, his earlier stuff was more lyrical if I remember correctly. I don't think as lyrical as Nas though. But with Pac it was the way he said things, like on Dear Mama, "Theres no wayyy I can pay you back, but the plan is to show you that I undestand!" you could feel exactly what he was saying...

but you already know this...lol when discussing this stuff its hard not to repeat things
lyrics aint just big words, and honestly that's all canibus has
this coming from a guy that hass canibus at number 2 in his list of fav top mc's

lyrics aint just big words, and honestly that's all canibus has
this coming from a guy that hass canibus at number 1 in his list of fav top mc's

it was just an example..................

I guess it depends how you measure what 'best' really means!

Yup. Its all how you think

just on the lyrics Pac isn't the greatest IMO, but overall in my opinion he is...

Just on lyrics Rakim, Nas, KRS, AZ, GZA...etc

if it's based on lyrical tallent then Ras Kass has to be on the list.

smh at kool g rap never getting any love

smh at kool g rap never getting any love

here's some Kool G love for you

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I can't vote it's beetwen pac,gza,ghost,rakim and nas

I gotta show some love for kool g rap too (no homo)

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if it's based on lyrical tallent then Ras Kass has to be on the list.
yea man, love ras, people seem to think someone who simply talks about poverty and the hood has lyrics when really your lyrical ability is defined by wordplay and metaphors/similies

check it:
Her momma shoulda named her Casino
She got the liquor in the front
poker/Poke her in the rear

and the thing is ras kass has does this in just about every song, he is very consistent unlike alot of rappers

I gotta show some love for kool g rap too (no homo)

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have'nt heard this in awhile, needs to go in my ipod

1 krs one "the teacher"
2 nas
3 rakim

to me one of the main factors in picking the greatest mc is longevity,

rakim was unbelivable with his lyrics and its hard for me not to pick him but after his couple albums with eric b he made two solo albums that were good but he faded after that and didnt stand the test of time.

nas since he came out dropped great albums and is still active after 14 years. so he has stood the test of time. some people say he's not consistent enough but the lyrics are on point always.

krs one definitley stood the test of time the most as the teacher till this day you hear him spit freestyles and make albums occasionally. the reason he still can make albums today and spit freestyles at any given time is because he's what you call a true mc. he's dropped some great albums aswell and you can put him with any legendary producer primo, marly marl, pete rock, large pro, etc.. and they would make a good album guaranteed. (for example "hip hop is alive" produced by marly marl.


The test of time? I'd say, Krs-one is only really visible to real hip hop heads and old schoolers. Rakim is probably even better known although neither one is high on the radar. The only difference is that Krs One has been far more productive than Rakim. Yet if they both released an album the same month it is safe to say that Rakim's would get far more buzz. Krs One does have a huge argument in his favor when it comes to diversity though.

ras kass/big l

wordplay vs metaphors
the list you made is just the most succesfull rappers, and if you wanna go down that road you gotta have eminem

Krs one and Rakim most successful?

Nas dosen't even qualify for that.

yea man, love ras, people seem to think someone who simply talks about poverty and the hood has lyrics when really your lyrical ability is defined by wordplay and metaphors/similies

check it:
Her momma shoulda named her Casino
She got the liquor in the front
poker/Poke her in the rear

and the thing is ras kass has does this in just about every song, he is very consistent unlike alot of rappers

yeah he's absolutely brilliant

"Life's a ***** named monogomy - you only get one"

Soul On Ice is easily one of the hardest and most raw albums to ever come out of the west.

Rakim and Jay-Z I have tied. Rakim is the pioneer for hip hop, he was one of the dopest mc's lyrically and released a tremendous body of work in his time. He was one of the main people that got me into rap as we know and the fact I've seen him live makes me appcreiate him that much more.

Jay-Z is the modern times Rakim for me. He unleashed one of the most brilliant hip hop albums of all time into our laps with Reasonable Doubt then unlike a lot of Mc's he continued to deliver new styles of music while keeping his general fan base and bringing in new ones each album he put out. Album to album he has a bloody incredible body of work and has given us so many timeless classic tracks. Lyrically he is always on point and is one of the most clever mc's the game has ever seen. I don't knock Nas because he has a great influence on me also but I prefer Jay's music. He has done it so many different ways while staying at the top of music it's hard to knock him. People still 13 years after Reasonable Doubt came out are dieing to hear The Blueprint 3.

i don't understand those of you who back Hov as the greatest to ever do it. he's sick, but greatest ever material? i don't think so.

i don't understand those of you who back Hov as the greatest to ever do it. he's sick, but greatest ever material? i don't think so.
Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, Black Album?

3 classics.. and thats not even speaking of the rest of his albums.

i don't understand those of you who back Hov as the greatest to ever do it. he's sick, but greatest ever material? i don't think so.

He has one high quality classic album and a bunch of random good songs on various albums.

i don't understand those of you who back Hov as the greatest to ever do it. he's sick, but greatest ever material? i don't think so.

I agree...I see him between 5 and 10 but its hard for me to put him anywhere from 1 to 4. I actually think Ghostface killa is slightly better then jay-z, his flows not quite as good but hes better and more consistent lyrically in my opinion. I took a poll on a site a while ago and the results were real interesting....

http://slumz.boxden.com/showthread.php?t=1143653&page=4

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his flow is inimitable.

and i understand where all of you are coming from
but i still don't see it.
BEST EVER??? nahhh...

here's some Kool G love for you

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I gotta show some love for kool g rap too (no homo)

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thanks guys, now if only i could hear it :/

his flow is inimitable.

and i understand where all of you are coming from
but i still don't see it.
BEST EVER??? nahhh...




I can't think of any other rapper that we could say has level 10 lyrics, level 10 voice/flow and a level 10 impact on Hip Hop.

Where is the none category?

I can't think of any other rapper that we could say has level 10 lyrics, level 10 voice/flow and a level 10 impact on Hip Hop.

If Jay-z has level 10 lyrics, does that mean that Nas has level 13 lyrics and Kool G rap has level 15 lyrics?

I agree about his flow, however. His impact? Aside from the money hes made, he hasnt made songs that reached peoples hearts like Pac did. He did have huge singles like Hard knock life and big pimpin, Ill give him a 9 out of 10 for impact.

If Jay-z has level 10 lyrics, does that mean that Nas has level 13 lyrics and Kool G rap has level 15 lyrics?

I agree about his flow, however. His impact? Aside from the money hes made, he hasnt made songs that reached peoples hearts like Pac did. He did have huge singles like Hard knock life and big pimpin, Ill give him a 9 out of 10 for impact.

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nah man i was talking about Rakim not Jay Z , that is who was on that video.

i don't understand those of you who back Hov as the greatest to ever do it. he's sick, but greatest ever material? i don't think so.

Thats cool. But other people feel differently, this is all subjective.

I don't rate Jay-Z as the greatest, but if someone did I'd have no problem with that.

Jay has given us songs for dayssssssssss.......if i made a mix of all his best songs it would be like 5 cds long. lol

IMO 4 classics. (blueprint, reasonable doubt, black album, lifetime vol. 1 IMO)

Hes been the game for over a decade, and still relevant at almost 40 years old.

he has had deep songs, that maybe didn't touch the mainstreams hearts, but if you listened to his albums he has deep songs there. December 4th was deep for example, if you his whole albums, you'll find that Jay does have deep songs. How about some how some way off Blueprint 2?

his description of the hustler lifestyle is one of the best ever.

he has the greatest flow I've ever heard, and I've been listening to rap for a decade.

hes been co-signed by greats such as Kool G. Rap, KRS-One, Chuck D, B.I.G., Big Daddy Kane etc.

he has a reputation for the monster of the double entendre because of his clever word play.

impact? he set tons of trends such as button ups etc.
he moved from the marcy project building in poverty the buisness in a suit.
for anyone growing up in a tough position hes motivation that anything is possible if you have a talent.

heres what hip hop legend Chuck D said,


"MT: Speaking of Jay-Z, he made an appearance on Monday Night football last season. That's something that was unheard of in Hip Hop. Speak about the mainstream power of Hip Hop--translating to franchise minority ownership--through the likes of Usher, Nelly and of course Jay-Z.

Chuck D: I think anything that Jay-Z does widens the roads of availability for anyone who is smart to say wow, I can do this. Jay-Z is actually a pioneer. He realizes he can't have everything for himself, but he makes inroads so even I can drive my vehicle down the path he's blazed. I'm proud of what he's accomplished--touring and other avenues--to get to that level.

I think he's the greatest MC of all time.

MT: Wow! Big statement--especially coming from someone like you. Really?

Chuck D: He is the greatest of all time because he recognized the embodiment of everything involved--legends before him--and put his game on an entirely different level of anyone past or present. Jay-Z is the embodiment of Kool Mo Dee, Rakim, KRS1, Pac, Biggie and anyone else that has ever been on the mic. Similar to Jordan, he was the right dude at the right time. He just didn't sit on his talent. He sought other aspects of business to conquer. It's not just about how much fame on top of fame you can get. He's special. From the outside looking in, people might say he's stuffing himself. No, he's widening the road for other cats to follow. Now if cats get on the road and crash their vehicles, that's their problem. He's added a business structure to the game that hasn't been seen, taking Hip Hop to the board room, Madison Avenue and giving it a legitimate voice. My respect for Jay-Z went to a higher level when he did the Hard Knock Life Tour in 1999--performing after DMX! Making records and having skill is cool, but when you can take it to the stage and give the fans a great show, I'm tipping my hat to you. When I saw him doing that every night--going on after DMX is very difficult--I knew he was the one. I'm not saying at all that he was beating out DMX, but he held the fort down.

A lot of people don't agree with me, but I've been there, so I know what kind of effort you have to give across the board. He's phenomenal. When cats were calling Biggie the greatest of all time, I had problems with that. He came in and put out 1 1/2 records and people were judging him unfairly. There was no way he was the best.
The most feared rapper of all time was KRS1. No one wanted to rap around the dude.

Jay-Z is Jordan. KRS1 is Bill Russell--swatting everything in his path. LL Cool J is Abdul-Jabbar for longevity. Kool Moe Dee and I play this game of comparing athletes to rappers. His list would definitely be different than mine."-Chuck D

http://i.treehugger.com/files/th_images/jay-z.jpg

When Jay meets with the United Nations, hes paving the roads for young rappers coming up. Just because your a rapper, doesn't mean theres limits to what you can do.

http://holamun2.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/jay-roc.jpg

"...and I can't help the poor if I'm one of them, so I got rich and gave back to them...

thats the win-win..."-Jay-Z

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/gallery/media/ap_jayz_macca_linkinpark_40.jpg

Jay-Z is respected amongst other musicians. He is an advocate for hip hop. Heres him performing with the Beetles Paul Mcartney.


http://www.mychemicaltoilet.com/jay-z_glastonbury_festival_oasis-thumb-425x282.jpg

A member of Oasis said Hip hop didn't belong at Glastonbury overseas. Jay came and rocked the place showing people that hip hop has a place with any other genre. He represented hip hop in a good light, most loved the show.

I'm not saying Jay-Z is the greatest. But I'm just showing that there different ways to view a rapper, everyone has their opinions. Jay-Z is a hip hop legend, hes one of the greatest rappers ever. With that being said, I think 2-Pac is the greatest, followed by Nas.

Rakim and Jay-Z I have tied. Rakim is the pioneer for hip hop, he was one of the dopest mc's lyrically and released a tremendous body of work in his time. He was one of the main people that got me into rap as we know and the fact I've seen him live makes me appcreiate him that much more.

Jay-Z is the modern times Rakim for me. He unleashed one of the most brilliant hip hop albums of all time into our laps with Reasonable Doubt then unlike a lot of Mc's he continued to deliver new styles of music while keeping his general fan base and bringing in new ones each album he put out. Album to album he has a bloody incredible body of work and has given us so many timeless classic tracks. Lyrically he is always on point and is one of the most clever mc's the game has ever seen. I don't knock Nas because he has a great influence on me also but I prefer Jay's music. He has done it so many different ways while staying at the top of music it's hard to knock him. People still 13 years after Reasonable Doubt came out are dieing to hear The Blueprint 3.

Exactly, Jay has given classic songs for daysssss days!! lol

If you go from Reasonable Doubt to American Gangster and then on top of that add in his mixtape ****. classic tracks for days

okay Truth,

you did good.

i see it

okay Truth,

you did good.

i see it

No I'm actually sorry, I feel like an *******. I over did it, I should have just left it alone.

I just felt like I should show why someone could think that, like for example Sisforshaq.

believe it or not I don't rate him as the greatest, like I said. I rate 2-Pac as the greatest, followed by Nas. Jay is my favorite, but I think there are rappers that are better all around like Pac and Nas.

No I'm actually sorry, I feel like an *******. I over did it, I should have just left it alone.

I just felt like I should show why someone could think that, like for example Sisforshaq.

believe it or not I don't rate him as the greatest, like I said. I rate 2-Pac as the greatest, followed by Nas. Jay is my favorite, but I think there are rappers that are better all around like Pac and Nas.

don't apologize for feeling so strongly. we are passionate about this music. i appreciate the effort that you put into that and i am glad that i understand you now.

don't apologize for feeling so strongly. we are passionate about this music. i appreciate the effort that you put into that and i am glad that i understand you now.

Thank you.

I just don't want to be annoying to anyone.

I know I've already said this a million times, but for the 2 millionth time...lol

I'm not even saying that I believe hes the greatest. All I'm saying is, he deserves to metioned in that discussion in my opinion. Thats just my opinion, I'm not saying opinion is right, or better than anybody elses.

I respect Gold Mac's opinion. And I respect your opinion. Both of you are great fans with tons of knowledge. And in fact I think both of you know more than I do overall. I know alot, but you two know more.

daamn truth, you like jigga alot dont you

daamn truth, you like jigga alot dont you

I'm a big fan, he is my favorite rapper of all time. I just saw some things I disagreed with and wanted to add my take as a fan...

I am by no means a Jay-Z stan. I don't even rate him the greatest. And I listen to rappers who diss him such as Cam'ron.

On top of that I admit his flaws as a rapper and rate Nas over him.

I'm a big fan, he is my favorite rapper of all time. I just saw some things I disagreed with and wanted to add my take as a fan...

I am by no means a Jay-Z stan. I don't even rate him the greatest. And I listen to rappers who diss him such as Cam'ron.

On top of that I admit his flaws as a rapper and rate Nas over him.

youre a true fan

youre a true fan

I'm a true idiot. lol

I wish I never made all those posts. I think I over did it and made myself look like an idiot.


Truth lost. :thumbsdow

Thank you.

I just don't want to be annoying to anyone.

I know I've already said this a million times, but for the 2 millionth time...lol

I'm not even saying that I believe hes the greatest. All I'm saying is, he deserves to metioned in that discussion in my opinion. Thats just my opinion, I'm not saying opinion is right, or better than anybody elses.

I respect Gold Mac's opinion. And I respect your opinion. Both of you are great fans with tons of knowledge. And in fact I think both of you know more than I do overall. I know alot, but you two know more.

i really don't think that it's about how much you know though
pardon me for sounding soft but it's really more about how much you feel for it. that's why i feel so fortunate. music is so powerful and most people do not allow it to effect them in the way that it has the potential to. you clearly surrender yourself to it and that means that you are fortunate enough to reap all of its benefits. in my opinion, the more that you have to be passionate about the better off you are. it's not just something you listen to, it's something you really feel and believe in. how sorry i feel for those who only hear it.

I'm a true idiot. lol

I wish I never made all those posts. I think I over did it and made myself look like an idiot.


Truth lost. :thumbsdow

i really don't think that it's about how much you know though
pardon me for sounding soft but it's really more about how much you feel for it. that's why i feel so fortunate. music is so powerful and most people do not allow it to effect them in the way that it has the potential to. you clearly surrender yourself to it and that means that you are fortunate enough to reap all of its benefits. in my opinion, the more that you have to be passionate about the better off you are. it's not just something you listen to, it's something you really feel and believe in. how sorry i feel for those who only hear it.


daaamn cats be getting philosophical about this **** :rofl:

i really don't think that it's about how much you know though
pardon me for sounding soft but it's really more about how much you feel for it. that's why i feel so fortunate. music is so powerful and most people do not allow it to effect them in the way that it has the potential to. you clearly surrender yourself to it and that means that you are fortunate enough to reap all of its benefits. in my opinion, the more that you have to be passionate about the better off you are. it's not just something you listen to, it's something you really feel and believe in. how sorry i feel for those who only hear it.

Well I don't believe in selling crack, shooting people and treating women like hoes...as are potrayed in many Jay-Z songs, aswell as many rap songs, period.

But I do connect with his struggle in my own way, and his perserverance to become successful. And I also connect with his music, as far as the way its crafted with the flows, beats etc.

daaamn cats be getting philosophical about this **** :rofl:

haha. ain't nothing wrong with a little philosophical talk. :D

haha. ain't nothing wrong with a little philosophical talk. :D

lol not at all, its quite refreshing really

Well I don't believe in selling crack, shooting people and treating women like hoes...as are potrayed in many Jay-Z songs, aswell as many rap songs, period.

But I do connect with his struggle in my own way, and his perserverance to become successful. And I also connect with his music, as far as the way its crafted with the flows, beats etc.

what you think that i relate to it word for word?? hell no.
take one of my favorite Jaylib tracks for example...
"I just wana lay you back...you ain't gotta count my stack. nahh it ain't goin down like that. damn your ass is fat. i just wana hit it, quit it if it's on like that. never ever have to call you back. cuz you gotta man, and i gotta woman, but one ain't enough i need more to keep me cummin."

those are obviously not my ideals. i wouldn't personally appreciate someone saying those things to me. but it's the track itself that i love. the beat is so raw and grimey, and the lyrics are so casual and absurd. hip hop doesn't force you to take a stand or prove something. you can sing along to whatever the **** you want and you don't have to have a deep belief in what you're saying. we just like to say it because it's obscene, it is gratifying to say. don't ask me why, it just is. haha.
i respect myself as a female in my life but when it comes to music, i don't have to worry about it. no one does. with hip hop i don't have to care i can just get absorbed in it and enjoy it for what it is. it's not like there's anything to prove. you can just feel it, **** ideals or morals, leave that for another track.

what you think that i relate to it word for word?? hell no.
take one of my favorite Jaylib tracks for example...
"I just wana lay you back...you ain't gotta count my stack. nahh it ain't goin down like that. damn your ass is fat. i just wana hit it, quit it if it's on like that. never ever have to call you back. cuz you gotta man, and i gotta woman, but one ain't enough i need more to keep me cummin."

those are obviously not my ideals. i wouldn't personally appreciate someone saying those things to me. but it's the track itself that i love. the beat is so raw and grimey, and the lyrics are so casual and absurd. hip hop doesn't force you to take a stand or prove something. you can sing along to whatever the **** you want and you don't have to have a deep belief in what you're saying. we just like to say it because it's obscene, it is gratifying to say. don't ask me why, it just is. haha.
i respect myself as a female in my life but when it comes to music, i don't have to worry about it. no one does. with hip hop i don't have to care i can just get absorbed in it and enjoy it for what it is. it's not like there's anything to prove. you can just feel it, **** ideals or morals, leave that for another track.


I'm 100% with you. Its music and entertainment, we as young people should enjoy it.

thats a good point, meg. i love the music, but i dont necessarily agree with the message about some of the songs. people can be ignorant about it as well, some people think im a satanist cause i like Slayer :dunno:

thats a good point, meg. i love the music, but i dont necessarily agree with the message about some of the songs. people can be ignorant about it as well, some people think im a satanist cause i like Slayer :dunno:

Yeah I hate when people judge you based on your music. Its just music for some...

Such a shame that in 8 pages, not one single person has mentioned the person with undeniable classics, undeniable impact, and undeniable longevity.

ICE CUBE!

From the 80s until now, still dropping knowledge.

Such a shame that in 8 pages, not one single person has mentioned the person with undeniable classics, undeniable impact, and undeniable longevity.

ICE CUBE!

From the 80s until now, still dropping knowledge.

I respect Cube as a legend and one of the greatest rappers of all time.

with that being said I like him as an actor more than a rapper. The Friday movies and barber shop were great.

i'm not a huge fan of that classic West Coast sound, therefore Ice Cube will never be in my top 10. definitely respect him though.

I have to look at both of your ages and simply say you simply don't realize what Ice Cube brought to Hiphop and how it affected Hiphop, and please don't take that as a diss, because you can't help your age or understand what was going on at that time.

Cube, part of a groundbreaking crew of NWA that burst on the scene with "NWA and the Posse" in the late 80s who helped pen such classics as "Dope Man" which Jay Z bit, "8 Ball", and the still gets bumped and even spawned a group of the same name, "Boyz N Da Hood".

Jump forward some months later, and he helped co write NWAs "Straight Outta Compton" and Eazy E's "Eazy Duz It".

Jumped ship from an already legendary crew when he realized his money game wasn't right, and then dropped another classic, "Amerikkkas Most Wanted".

Seriously, think about that for a moment. He left a major group and went solo.

Is it any coincidence that NWA wasn't the same once he left? I don't think so.

He had a solid EP with "Kill at Will" and then released "Death Certificate".

Beefed with that former crew and basically disbanded them with the most vicious lyrical assault on wax, "No Vaseline".

I could go much further, but I'm sure it will be a waste of time as,

"i'm not a huge fan of that classic West Coast sound, therefore Ice Cube will never be in my top 10."

and

"The Friday movies and barber shop were great."

were the two comments made.

I just take it as, you guys simply don't know.

I have to look at both of your ages and simply say you simply don't realize what Ice Cube brought to Hiphop and how it affected Hiphop, and please don't take that as a diss, because you can't help your age or understand what was going on at that time.

Cube, part of a groundbreaking crew of NWA that burst on the scene with "NWA and the Posse" in the late 80s who helped pen such classics as "Dope Man" which Jay Z bit, "8 Ball", and the still gets bumped and even spawned a group of the same name, "Boyz N Da Hood".

Jump forward some months later, and he helped co write NWAs "Straight Outta Compton" and Eazy E's "Eazy Duz It".

Jumped ship from an already legendary crew when he realized his money game wasn't right, and then dropped another classic, "Amerikkkas Most Wanted".

Seriously, think about that for a moment. He left a major group and went solo.

Is it any coincidence that NWA wasn't the same once he left? I don't think so.

He had a solid EP with "Kill at Will" and then released "Death Certificate".

Beefed with that former crew and basically disbanded them with the most vicious lyrical assault on wax, "No Vaseline".

I could go much further, but I'm sure it will be a waste of time as,

"i'm not a huge fan of that classic West Coast sound, therefore Ice Cube will never be in my top 10."

and

"The Friday movies and barber shop were great."

were the two comments made.

I just take it as, you guys simply don't know.



yeah you're absolutely right
i tried to feel it. i really did. i copped Amerikka's Most Wanted with the understanding that it is considered a classic within the hip hop realm and tried to start-to-finish it and I just didn't really enjoy it. i can definitely appreciate Ice Cube for his contributions to what i do bump passionately from start to finish but i have a hard time relating to his music on that level. it is difficult for me to truly connect to it because of my age. although most of what i listen to was dropped before "my time". but again that classic west coast sound...difficult for me to really get into.

dude give me a break its 2 am here and i'm tired as hell. I know who Ice Cube is and his history. I'm not a Cube expert, but I know him. I just never really enjoyed his music as much as his movies. everybody has their tastes.

I own america's most wanted. thats proof i tried to get into his music.

yeah you're absolutely right
i tried to feel it. i really did. i copped Amerikka's Most Wanted with the understanding that it is considered a classic within the hip hop realm and tried to start-to-finish it and I just didn't really enjoy it. i can definitely appreciate Ice Cube for his contributions to what i do bump passionately from start to finish but i have a hard time relating to his music on that level. it is difficult for me to truly connect to it because of my age. although most of what i listen to was dropped before "my time". but again that classic west coast sound...difficult for me to really get into.


First and foremost, I can respect that you understand what I'm saying.

The only thing I'd have to say in response though,

is that AMW, KAW, DC and even Predator, didn't have what you call that "classic west coast sound", because at that time, there wasn't a difference in the sounds coming from the east, west or south.

Btw, AMW was produced by The Bomb Squad, Chuck Ds crew.

Back then, it was either, Hiphop, or wackness. It wasn't really until Dre came with the Chronic that these little subdivisions started getting made due to the east coast being upset that LA stole alot of shine and that Dre called it "G-funk".

But if you really want to look at who helped make the west coast "sound",

look no further than EPMD.

I'll never waver from my opinion that the media helped create the divisions in Hiphop that we have today.

You can go listen to Scarfaces very first album, "Mr. Scarface is Back", and see his sound in regards to beats, was just like anything coming out of NY or LA.

I own america's most wanted. thats proof i tried to get into his music.

Trying and understanding the impact he made are completely different, especially with preconcieved notions about what it is.

Trying and understanding the impact he made are completely different, especially with preconcieved notions about what it is.

I understand the impact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol. I'm sorry man I'm just getting that damn it I want to go to sleep bad attitude.

I better get offline.

peace to you. and peace to megstarr*

I understand the impact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol. I'm sorry man I'm just getting that damn it I want to go to sleep bad attitude.

I better get offline.

peace to you. and peace to megstarr*


Yes, you understand the impact, I'm not saying you don't.

I'm saying, even though you "tried to get into it", you don't realize the "why" portion of that impact.

Paz.

First and foremost, I can respect that you understand what I'm saying.

The only thing I'd have to say in response though,

is that AMW, KAW, DC and even Predator, didn't have what you call that "classic west coast sound", because at that time, there wasn't a difference in the sounds coming from the east, west or south.

Btw, AMW was produced by The Bomb Squad, Chuck Ds crew.

Back then, it was either, Hiphop, or wackness. It wasn't really until Dre came with the Chronic that these little subdivisions started getting made due to the east coast being upset that LA stole alot of shine and that Dre called it "G-funk".

But if you really want to look at who helped make the west coast "sound",

look no further than EPMD.

I'll never waver from my opinion that the media helped create the divisions in Hiphop that we have today.

You can go listen to Scarfaces very first album, "Mr. Scarface is Back", and see his sound in regards to beats, was just like anything coming out of NY or LA.

but i enjoy Public Enemy far more than NWA...
maybe it's because i'm crazy. but i definitely notice a difference because one appeals to me and the other really doesn't.

but i enjoy Public Enemy far more than NWA...
maybe it's because i'm crazy. but i definitely notice a difference because one appeals to me and the other really doesn't.

PE is probably my favorite group of all time.

I'll never forget the first time I heard,

"Too Black.....Too Strong....Too Black....Too Strong......"and then chaos ensues. I just loved that sonic madness they brought.

Fear of a Black Planet is my favorite PE album. I used to go nuts listening to "Welcome To the Terrordome".


IMO, I think NWA doesn't really appeal to you because you came up in the era of Hiphop divide and thus created a bias towards more "east coast" based Hiphop.

PE is probably my favorite group of all time.

I'll never forget the first time I heard,

"Too Black.....Too Strong....Too Black....Too Strong......"and then chaos ensues. I just loved that sonic madness they brought.

Fear of a Black Planet is my favorite PE album. I used to go nuts listening to "Welcome To the Terrordome".


IMO, I think NWA doesn't really appeal to you because you came up in the era of Hiphop divide and thus created a bias towards more "east coast" based Hiphop.

yeah Fear of A Black Planet and Yo! Bum Rush The Show are 2 of the 3 cassette tapes that i own. there are people in my life that don't understand how i can get so hype from music that is so outwardly considered "black power music" being white but it is hard to find anything that matches that energy and level of empowerment.

i can understand where you are coming from with the last comment except that i do not consider myself to really be at all biased in terms of regional preference in hip hop. i just like what appeals to my ear and soul. it is a valid point though for sure.

yeah Fear of A Black Planet and Yo! Bum Rush The Show are 2 of the 3 cassette tapes that i own. there are people in my life that don't understand how i can get so hype from music that is so outwardly considered "black power music" being white but it is hard to find anything that matches that energy and level of empowerment.

i can understand where you are coming from with the last comment except that i do not consider myself to really be at all biased in terms of regional preference in hip hop. i just like what appeals to my ear and soul. it is a valid point though for sure.

My bad, I think I got you mixed up with that other cat then who said he prefers east coast.

But yea, even as a Mexican kid in the 80s, it was empowering to me, but I guess its easier on my side as I'm a "minority" as well so there was I guess, a kindred spirit coming through my speakers. Being poor and able to relate to the words also helped in my love for Hiphop music, at that time. I've always been a "beats" guy first, but those words were still something to me as well.

But the beats, they always made me go crazy.

lol "2 out of 3".

All good though dude, thanks for a good discussion.

I'm out to bed. Gotta take my son to tryouts in the morning.


Heres a funny for you,

my dad used to let me bump Luke Skyywalker and the 2 Live Crew.

"EVERYBODY SAY HEYYYYYYYY,,

WE WANT SOME P U SSS SAASYYYYY"


I was about 10.

My bad, I think I got you mixed up with that other cat then who said he prefers east coast.

But yea, even as a Mexican kid in the 80s, it was empowering to me, but I guess its easier on my side as I'm a "minority" as well so there was I guess, a kindred spirit coming through my speakers. Being poor and able to relate to the words also helped in my love for Hiphop music, at that time. I've always been a "beats" guy first, but those words were still something to me as well.

But the beats, they always made me go crazy.

lol "2 out of 3".

All good though dude, thanks for a good discussion.

I'm out to bed. Gotta take my son to tryouts in the morning.


Heres a funny for you,

my dad used to let me bump Luke Skyywalker and the 2 Live Crew.

"EVERYBODY SAY HEYYYYYYYY,,

WE WANT SOME P U SSS SAASYYYYY"


I was about 10.

good luck to your son
and mad respects to your father for being one dope ass daddy.

I dont understand how people could not count Jay as the greatest opinion wise.. Truth nailed it.. he put my thoughts into facts.. dude was a pioneer. Nas is tremendous, I love Kool G and a a bunch of dope mc's but Jay has been a pop culture and hip hop influence. I dont argue with your choices to say Jay cant compare is just ignorant.

I dont understand how people could not count Jay as the greatest opinion wise.. Truth nailed it.. he put my thoughts into facts.. dude was a pioneer. Nas is tremendous, I love Kool G and a a bunch of dope mc's but Jay has been a pop culture and hip hop influence. I dont argue with your choices to say Jay cant compare is just ignorant.

i don't think it's ignorant on my behalf at all
i simply said that i didn't understand it
Truth's explanation did the job and i can easily see where you are coming from.
Jay Z is not the greatest of all time in my opinion.
but i understand where you are coming from.

The greatest is Nas period. Pac had it for a while but unfortunately he passed and Nas kept coming with heat.

In reality Cube should definitely get some recognition as well. He is clearly overlooked because he's a west coast emcee. Seriously his catalogue is nice. ANd he said **** on records when he first came out that were unprecedented. He was the main voice of one of the most controversial and influential rap groups of all time. To add to that his solos proved his greatness as well.

I really took a while and listened to Raw Footage and his album had a purpose. There are a lot of dope tracks on that album. It just proves to me his greatness at his age that he's still droppin fire. Check out the song Hood Mentality when you get the chance.

Jay is nice and an ATG. But he's always been a bit overrated. Sure he's been great lyrically. But peole tie too much of his greatness into his business endeavors. None of which anyone but him and his fam are seeing. I'm not really taking that he has a successful clothing line or how much money he has as an indication of greatness. Don't get me wrong he is still dope. And I for one thought AG was heat rocks.

I'm not a fan of Jay Z tbh, I never really liked his music to the extent where i'd rank him with the likes of Pac, Rakim etc.

Me personally, my vote goes to Pac.

Jay is nice and an ATG. But he's always been a bit overrated. Sure he's been great lyrically. But peole tie too much of his greatness into his business endeavors. None of which anyone but him and his fam are seeing. I'm not really taking that he has a successful clothing line or how much money he has as an indication of greatness. Don't get me wrong he is still dope. And I for one thought AG was heat rocks.

I wasn't either. I was talking about his impact, some things hes accomplished because of his success.

Never cared for Cube but i always respected that he had more to say then the rest of the cats in NWA.

Jay is nice and an ATG. But he's always been a bit overrated. Sure he's been great lyrically. But peole tie too much of his greatness into his business endeavors. None of which anyone but him and his fam are seeing. I'm not really taking that he has a successful clothing line or how much money he has as an indication of greatness. Don't get me wrong he is still dope. And I for one thought AG was heat rocks.

Yeah I agree with you (Well not about AG lol). On the basis of music alone the case for Jay as GOAT is pretty weak. Yet we live in an era where fame and wealth are surrogates for talent. What makes things even more complicated is the fact that Jay had alot of talent, but he did not have more talent than any other emcee, and he ended up squandering that talent in exchange for commercial success after his first one or two albums.


I still got Rakim. Like i said, no other emcee has level 10 lyrics, level 10 voice/flow and level 10 impact.

I dont understand how people could not count Jay as the greatest opinion wise.. Truth nailed it.. he put my thoughts into facts.. dude was a pioneer. Nas is tremendous, I love Kool G and a a bunch of dope mc's but Jay has been a pop culture and hip hop influence. I dont argue with your choices to say Jay cant compare is just ignorant.

Its easy to discount him as the absolute GOAT.

Hes a known biter, one of Hiphops cardinal sins.

Yeah I agree with you (Well not about AG lol). On the basis of music alone the case for Jay as GOAT is pretty weak. Yet we live in an era where fame and wealth are surrogates for talent. What makes things even more complicated is the fact that Jay had alot of talent, but he did not have more talent than any other emcee, and he ended up squandering that talent in exchange for commercial success after his first one or two albums.


I still got Rakim. Like i said, no other emcee has level 10 lyrics, level 10 voice/flow and level 10 impact.


Its easy to discount him as the absolute GOAT.

Hes a known biter, one of Hiphops cardinal sins.

I want to say how much I disagree with both of you. But it is going to change how either one of you think? No. So whats the point? lol

There isn't one, other than to continue the cycle of I think he sucks...I don't...well I do...but I don't over and over. haha

I want to say how much I disagree with both of you. But it is going to change how either one of you think? No. So whats the point? lol

There isn't one, other than to continue the cycle of I think he sucks...I don't...well I do...but I don't over and over. haha

I'm on the fence with Jay, on one hand, you can't deny his talent, but on the other hand, you can't deny the multiple times hes bitten lines over and over and over again.

Hes great for sure, but he never was much until two particular MCs were gunned down. As great as an album as RD is, when it dropped, it wasn't getting anywhere near the type of acclaim it gets now because there was just so many ill projects coming out at the time that it kind of got overlooked. Dude had to use an "Annie" sample to get really noticed in the mainstream.

And I agree with the cat who mentioned his business projects.

That has nothing to do with him as an MC and should not be a factor as to what makes a goat.

btw, I've got most of Jays work and I think he tries to appeal to so many different Hiphop crowds that it makes him have crappy beat selection sometimes.

I'm on the fence with Jay, on one hand, you can't deny his talent, but on the other hand, you can't deny the multiple times hes bitten lines over and over and over again.

Hes great for sure, but he never was much until two particular MCs were gunned down. As great as an album as RD is, when it dropped, it wasn't getting anywhere near the type of acclaim it gets now because there was just so many ill projects coming out at the time that it kind of got overlooked. Dude had to use an "Annie" sample to get really noticed in the mainstream.

And I agree with the cat who mentioned his business projects.

That has nothing to do with him as an MC and should not be a factor as to what makes a goat.

btw, I've got most of Jays work and I think he tries to appeal to so many different Hiphop crowds that it makes him have crappy beat selection sometimes.


And I think its cool man. I respect your opinion. But what really all this is a spin. I'm a spin doctor, your a spin doctor, everybody in this thread is a spin doctor. When it comes to music, we all have our opinions. And lets be honest when discussing music in particular its all subjective. There no right or wrong answer, its all how your tastes and biases are.

Someone can say I love that car right there, look at the paint job and the rims.

Another person could come by and say thats the ugliest car I've ever seen.

with stuff like this, its all subjective. With sports its different because theirs statistics. Its hard to deny Michael Jordan was a great basketball player with all that he is accomplished statistically. Although I guess someone could spin that too....theres always way to show something in a positive light or not so positive light.

I think Jay's beat selection is usually on point. I mean for an MC to have 3 classic albums in completely different directions at 3 different stages of his career is unreal. RD his debut, Blueprint his first real cross over album and Black Album his "farewell" at the time. Plus the Rocafella label and clique is one of hip hops most memorable maybe not as far as pure talent wise but it was an era.

I want to say how much I disagree with both of you. But it is going to change how either one of you think? No. So whats the point? lol

There isn't one, other than to continue the cycle of I think he sucks...I don't...well I do...but I don't over and over. haha

What did you disagree with exactly?

Even you said you don't think he's GOAT from an objective standpoint.

No one thinks he sucks, I said he had alot of talent but even he himself admits he compromised with it (In the second verse on Moment of Clarity and in various interviews).

What did you disagree with exactly?

Even you said you don't think he's GOAT from an objective standpoint.

No one thinks he sucks, I said he had alot of talent but even he himself admits he compromised with it (In the second verse on Moment of Clarity and in various interviews).

I know, but I think what he did anyway was great. Even in the verse he had some clever word play.

I don't want to argue about it dude, I'll be honest I'm not argumentitive person. Its just gives me a head ache. lol I like discussing things theres a certain point where I have to cut off.

I don't think hes the greatest. But I think someone could make an argument that he is. I just feel Jay has done alot and deserves alot of respect as a legend in the game. I personally believe his music has been great and consistent for the past 13 years overall. But other(like with everything) feel differently.

i used to loooove Ice Cube a while back. he was a great MC and his accomplishments speak for themselves, but no way in hell can you compare him to Rakim, in any possible way! Rakim was waaaay ahead of his time:

i start to think/and then i sink
into the paper/like i was ink
when im writing im trapped in between the lines
i escape/when i finish the rhyme...

people TODAY can't write **** like this. Along with Eric B.'s production, he was able to drop classic album after classic album. Rakim is the G.O.A.T.

I seperate top rappers into groups...

the elites - nas, rakim, pac, and krs one

the 2nd best group - jay-z, ghostface killah, ice cube, common, ll cool J


Thats just my opinion, but i have alotta things factored into this including what the majority says on different sites. Its a very educated opinion.

can we call that 2nd group, the 2nd group of elites? :D

Its between Vanilla Ice and Rico Suave.....But Ole Dirty and Mc Hammer is in there somewhere.

Its between Vanilla Ice and Rico Suave.....But Ole Dirty and Mc Hammer is in there somewhere.

haha
thank you for that much needed humor
this thread needed a bit of lightening up

haha
thank you for that much needed humor
this thread needed a bit of lightening up

hell yeah............

you know what though
i like that things get intense when we discuss the Greats.
that's how it should be.

you know what though
i like that things get intense when we discuss the Greats.
that's how it should be.

True....

But I'll be honest I'm sick to death of this thread now...even looking at the title makes me sick. lol

True....

But I'll be honest I'm sick to death of this thread now...even looking at the title makes me sick. lol

So dip out!!

So dip out!!

I keep getting lured back to see what other people are going to say...lol

haha
thank you for that much needed humor
this thread needed a bit of lightening up

I was serious! what you thought I was gonna say, Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Tupac or Biggie, Maybe Pun.....

Cannibalism is livin in my metabolism
Givin em spasms and aneurisms at baby baptisms
That's all my thugs thinkin bout, drinkin your blood
Boriquans love flooded rugs bloody and bloated mugs
Leavin the reverand decap' and severn when I'm beheadin
The Armageddeon is lettin demons slip into Heaven
Goin back to spiritual ritual times
What you gon' find - shiftings of Satan in critical bind
Nevermind, I do that often, I've risen often
Bust out my coffin, I'm a livin abortion
Battled the Devil and deaded his demons
Trained other beings to be in his different levels of Hell,
still screamin
Seein bodies bloody and babies bloated corroded
Know the Chinese exploded
Know they run with Gotti who know it (check it)
I never run I never ran, the fattest mother****in man
I roll with Cuban makin junk to jams
That's all I'm knowin and I'm never kneed
All on your soul I feed, I'm lettin punk mother****ers bleed
****in with me, better hide yo' seed
Better think twice, before you ride on me
Cause I'ma lift your weight,
then I'm droppin you in the incinerator
Then I'm hittin the hospital and poppin two in the incubator
That's how we do it pana, hardcore, no more goo-goo ga-ga
Oh I'm sorry pa-pa, was you the da-da?...whew!

haha
thank you for that much needed humor
this thread needed a bit of lightening up

man **** that guy, hell probably say big pun is the goat just cause hes puertorican

man **** that guy, hell probably say big pun is the goat just cause hes puertorican

How bout Fuk you ....never even been a half descent dominican anything...this aint a bachata thread

How bout Fuk you ....never even been a half descent dominican anything...this aint a bachata thread

hahaha see i told you!! and i aint even dominican numbnuts

hahaha see i told you!! and i aint even dominican numbnuts

Ha ha ha what? what are you high or something? Told what?
:bigeyes:this dude is high on something

i'm confused of whats happening here...

read my previous post, i said you would mention big pun and you did...get your head straight :smashfrea

i'm confused of whats happening here...
Your not the only one...this guy got me confused too....lol

read my previous post, i said you would mention big pun and you did...get your head straight :smashfrea

You didnt say I would mention him...You said I would say he was goat...I didnt
You need to stop making bathroom trips and sniffin or shootin that ****:bigeyes:

I think this is misunderstanding of some sort

You didnt say I would mention him...You said I would say he was goat...I didnt
You need to stop making bathroom trips and sniffin or shootin that ****:bigeyes:

apparently no one appreciates sarcasm these days....point is you mentioned Big Pun, a dope MC but doesn't deserve to be mentioned in this thread

How bout Fuk you ....never even been a half descent dominican anything...this aint a bachata thread

AZ and Fabolous are Dominicans

I think this is misunderstanding of some sort

RJ ..this dude jumped the gun and said just because I was Puerto Rican that I would come in here and say Big Pun was the greatest of all time.....I mentioned, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Biggie, Tupac and Pun oh and forgot KRS....and he comes in here sayin ...I told ya!!!! I told Ya!!!! And I never said he was GOAT...But I think this dude is doing drugs online:bigeyes:

apparently no one appreciates sarcasm these days....point is you mentioned Big Pun, a dope MC but doesn't deserve to be mentioned in this thread

Yeah I would change the point too....I appreciate sarcasm because I based my first thread on in it(Vanilla Ice)....but you were the one trying to make a point and grab a cheering section off some racial ****. Now you saying I cant have an opinion on an opinion site......Drugs are illegal.

AZ and Fabolous are Dominicans

Theyre half but I dont care nor do I want to get into that,,,,that was solely to get under Guasa Guasa skin...because he Made a PR statement.

Theyre half but I dont care nor do I want to get into that,,,,that was solely to get under Guasa Guasa skin...because he Made a PR statement.

cool.......

wow catching feellings over the net and calling me a drug user, how mature of you. obviously u DONT appreciate sarcasm, because all my posts directed at you were in all good fun, a little hard i admit but i didnt think you'd actually catch feelings....for the sake of everybody in the forum i apologize for being a "prick"

wow catching feellings over the net and calling me a drug user, how mature of you. obviously u DONT appreciate sarcasm, because all my posts directed at you were in all good fun, a little hard i admit but i didnt think you'd actually catch feelings....for the sake of everybody in the forum i apologize for being a "prick"

"Catching Feelings"....I just got something in my eye. Sometimes it gets a little dusty in my room. Ill just take my Prozac and keep it moving. Listen to my bachata and dim the lights.

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dlvmfmfglkfmjofpmrlkagmvkxnbad

Oh and on a serious note...Rakim and Big Daddy Kane were probably the best ever they were before their time. Biggie and Pac were probably tied as far as 90's even till now. KRS was great but to be was more of an intelligent poet type. As for Jay I think he is good but he is like a McDonalds compared to the rest that are gourmet food. He has a million raps but as far as quality goes not great, if anyone considers him they should consider LL cool J for all his raps. Nas is also good but has to be behind Pac and Big(even if he did burn Jigga). Here is your "I told ya" Lyrically Pun was Gifted and Im sure that if he didnt die so early, he would have been mentioned amongst the best...Remember I said IF he didnt die early.

Im going with the 6 most popular choices I see on the internet, everytime this comes up...

If i had to put them in order it would go something like this

2pac
nas
rakim
krs one
jay-z
Biggie
eminem followed by RAKIM

Oh and on a serious note...Rakim and Big Daddy Kane were probably the best ever they were before their time. Biggie and Pac were probably tied as far as 90's even till now. KRS was great but to be was more of an intelligent poet type. As for Jay I think he is good but he is like a McDonalds compared to the rest that are gourmet food. He has a million raps but as far as quality goes not great, if anyone considers him they should consider LL cool J for all his raps. Nas is also good but has to be behind Pac and Big(even if he did burn Jigga). Here is your "I told ya" Lyrically Pun was Gifted and Im sure that if he didnt die so early, he would have been mentioned amongst the best...Remember I said IF he didnt die early.

Thought i would bring some music in based on your post.

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Anyone mention Big L? I didnt feel like reading all that lol

My GOAT is probably Rakim.

wow someone just compared Jay-Z to McDonalds...I have to stay away from this thread. Its going to get my blood pressure up. haha


Opinions...opinions what a wonderful thing.

allhiphop.com did some interviews recently with rappers about what their top 5 list is...and most of them had Jay-Z in their top 5.

I consider Joe Budden a smart rapper. He had Jay-Z in his top 5 for example.

I think rappers in the industry respect Jay-Z. Even Juelz had him in his top 5 and he doesn't even like Jay-Z.

wow someone just compared Jay-Z to McDonalds...I have to stay away from this thread. Its going to get my blood pressure up. haha


Opinions...opinions what a wonderful thing.

i eat McDonalds...

McChicken holler at your grizzzlleee.....

i eat McDonalds...

McChicken holler at your grizzzlleee.....

Burger King>McDonalds :D

looks like 2pac is #1, and rakim is #2

No argument from me. Im just suprised that nas only has 2 votes.

rakim and pac tied again with 10 votes each

what the **** happened in this thread? Are there posts that were deleted or sumthin?

smh @ all the feelings caught in this thread.

rakim and pac tied again with 10 votes each

what the **** happened in this thread? Are there posts that were deleted or sumthin?

smh @ all the feelings caught in this thread.

I didn't delete anything, I know that.

I don't have a problem with people not putting Jay-Z as their greatest.

I don't even think he is. I voted for 2-Pac

I don't have a problem with people that don't put him in their top 5.

The reason I get worked up, is when I feel like people are talking down about Jay-Z. Like hes not a great rapper and a legend in this game. We both know he is.

You've even said before in our past disscussions that although you wouldn't put him as the greatest, you said someone could make the argument.

Maybe your views have changed since then, which is fine.

honestly after reading this thread my top 5 has changed.

its now 1.)pac
2.) nas
3.) Rakim
4.) Jay-Z
5.) Ghostface

what's 'smh' stand for?

I didn't delete anything, I know that.

I don't have a problem with people not putting Jay-Z as their greatest.

I don't even think he is. I voted for 2-Pac

I don't have a problem with people that don't put him in their top 5.

The reason I get worked up, is when I feel like people are talking down about Jay-Z. Like hes not a great rapper and a legend in this game. We both know he is.

You've even said before in our past discussions that although you wouldn't put him as the greatest, you said someone could make the argument.

Maybe your views have changed since then, which is fine.

I was talkin about the dondi and el guason beef. Theres people who are talking down about jay-z, but theres also people giving him compliments.

He did get 2 votes. The people who talk bad about him will continue to do that no matter what. But they cant do anything about the # of people that think hes a great rapper, or the greatest rapper.

I dont think hes better then Nas but I have seen someone bring up a very good argument. Jay-z can do Nas' style better then Nas can do Jays style. To me, thats a very solid argument.

As for the deleted posts, theres things that were supposedly said but I cant find the original posts.

^^shaking my head

what's 'smh' stand for?

shake my head :smh:

I was talkin about the dondi and el guason beef. Theres people who are talking down about jay-z, but theres also people giving him compliments.

He did get 2 votes. The people who talk bad about him will continue to do that no matter what. But they cant do anything about the # of people that think hes a great rapper, or the greatest rapper.

I dont think hes better then Nas but I have seen someone bring up a very good argument. Jay-z can do Nas' style better then Nas can do Jays style. To me, thats a very solid argument.

As for the deleted posts, theres things that were supposedly said but I cant find the original posts.


My bad. I did catch feelings, thats why I thought you were talking about be me...haha

I think Nas is better than Jay-Z aswell

shake my head :smh:

^^shaking my head

aw right, thanks for clearin that up

My bad. I did catch feelings, thats why I thought you were talking about be me...haha

i was actually joking when i said that too...el guason is that dude, one of the best posters here. I dont know the dondi. It seemed like he might have caught feelings but I actually think the whole thing was funny though.

Honestly if someone didn't put Jay-Z in their top 10, because maybe they believe they have better choices...even thats cool with me.

The thing that gets my blood pressure up is when people say things like Jay-Z is McDonalds compared to guys like Nas. Thats like acting like Jay-Z isn't much at all, and thats not true.

Thought i would bring some music in based on your post.

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Nice Mega. Oh and the Mcdonalds thing wasnt meant to offend (especially when just about everyone loves it) It was more to show that he has endless rhymes (I like to compare him to Ali. Ali was great because he was a great boxer, but what made him legendary and gave him icon status was more than what he did in the ring) Like Jay....rocawear, business and so On.

McDonalds is a huge corporation across the world. People say they don't like it but everyone has had some McDonalds.

I see that as a compliment.

Honestly if someone didn't put Jay-Z in their top 10, because maybe they believe they have better choices...even thats cool with me.

The thing that gets my blood pressure up is when people say things like Jay-Z is McDonalds compared to guys like Nas. Thats like acting like Jay-Z isn't much at all, and thats not true.

At the same time though, theres alotta posters on sohh that say the opposite and completely sh!t on nas. Boxing scene seems to have more nas fans then jay-z fans, but i dont think I've ever seen a rapper get as much hate as Nas does on sohh.

I agree though, I dont see how jay-z could be left out of the top 10.

At the same time though, theres alotta posters on sohh that say the opposite and completely sh!t on nas. Boxing scene seems to have more nas fans then jay-z fans, but i dont think I've ever seen a rapper get as much hate as Nas does on sohh.

I agree though, I dont see how jay-z could be left out of the top 10.

Its tough. Some people just don't realize what they are saying...

its like.....

you think Nas wack? ok dude go from Illmatic to Untitled add on his features he did and mixtape ****. and then he tell me hes wack? smh

same with jay. these guys are legends..legends legends!!!!!!!!!!!! :hail:

McDonalds is a huge corporation across the world. People say they don't like it but everyone has had some McDonalds.

I see that as a compliment.

i hope andrew bynum is ok

McDonalds is a huge corporation across the world. People say they don't like it but everyone has had some McDonalds.

I see that as a compliment.

I see what you saying. I'm huge jay fan, but I'm not even rediculous with it.

I don't rate him as the best. I listen to Cam'ron too, and I rate Nas over him, so I'm not a stan.

But sometimes it seems like people act like Jay ain't that dude. And we all know if you go from Reasonable Doubt to American Gangster, you add his features and mixtape ****. Hes undeniable as one of the best.

Like I said in an earlier alot of rappers such Joe Budden have put Jay-Z in their top 5. He doesn't have the reputation he has for not reason.

Is he is overrated? sure maybe a little, anyone that is that big is overrated. Buts hes done his thing for the past 13 years, for sure.

i hope andrew bynum is ok

I second that.

Good luck to Bynum, fo sho.

Let it roll, get bold, I just can't hold
Back, or fold cos I'm a man with soul
In control and effect, so what the heck
Rock the discotheques and this groove is what's next
Attack, react, exact, the mack'll move you with
A strong song, as long as you groove to this
I keep the crowd loud when you're hype
Do damage onstage and injure the mic
As I shoot the gift MC's stand stiff
While my rhymes stick to you like Skippy and Jif
Feel my blood fist, or my death kiss
The rap soloist, you don't want none of this
Supreme in this era, I reign with terror- Big Daddy Kane

TechN9ne ****s on all the artists that have been said.

I was talkin about the dondi and el guason beef. Theres people who are talking down about jay-z, but theres also people giving him compliments.

He did get 2 votes. The people who talk bad about him will continue to do that no matter what. But they cant do anything about the # of people that think hes a great rapper, or the greatest rapper.

I dont think hes better then Nas but I have seen someone bring up a very good argument. Jay-z can do Nas' style better then Nas can do Jays style. To me, thats a very solid argument.

As for the deleted posts, theres things that were supposedly said but I cant find the original posts.

Jay Z is one of Hiphops best biters, of course he can do Nas style better than Nas can do Jays.

Nas doesn't really bite like that.

:trink26:

Jay Z is one of Hiphops best biters, of course he can do Nas style better than Nas can do Jays.

Nas doesn't really bite like that.

:trink26:

Yeah your right hes ****ing loser. Jay-Z is the worst rapper of all time.

He should be maybe top 100. I don't know though. Maybe top 150 for me.


Honestly **** that biter. Vanilla Ice>>>Jay-Z smh@ jay

Yeah your right hes ****ing loser. Jay-Z is the worst rapper of all time.

He should be maybe top 100. I don't know though. Maybe top 150 for me.


Honestly **** that biter. Vanilla Ice>>>Jay-Z smh@ jay


No llores mijo.

Eeets yust a yoke.

I don't know what you said. But its probably an insult. lol

Rakim and pac neck and neck with 11 votes each.

TechN9ne ****s on all the artists that have been said.

Thats why everyone has Technine in their top 5 :dry:

I don't know what you said. But its probably an insult. lol

The first part of what he said was "Do not cry millet."

"The millets are a group of small-seeded species of cereal crops or grains, widely grown around the world for food and fodder"

Im not sure what the 2nd thing he said was. Freetranslation.com failed to provide me with an answer.

*edit*

Its possible that "Eeets yust a yoke" means that "its just a joke" but im not sure

Rakim and pac neck and neck with 11 votes each.



Thats why everyone has Technine in their top 5 :dry:



The first part of what he said was "Do not cry millet."

"The millets are a group of small-seeded species of cereal crops or grains, widely grown around the world for food and fodder"

Im not sure what the 2nd thing he said was. Freetranslation.com failed to provide me with an answer.

*edit*

Its possible that "Eeets yust a yoke" means that "its just a joke" but im not sure

Thanks Gold Mac.


Hey its me truth...

Thanks Gold Mac.


Hey its me truth...

Hey its me mac. Is truth there?

Its also possible that el gallo negro is a knicks fan. The word "gallo" means rooster, perhaps hes a danilo gallinari fan.

Although if you translate his complete name, it would be "the black rooster."

Rooster is another word for ****.

Maybe he likes black ****s?

:lol1:

okay now you boys need to just come out with a couple of nice dis tracks and get on with your lives...

okay now you boys need to just come out with a couple of nice dis tracks and get on with your lives...

hey its me truth. hi megstarr...

Hey its me mac. Is truth there?

Its also possible that el gallo negro is a knicks fan. The word "gallo" means rooster, perhaps hes a danilo gallinari fan.

Although if you translate his complete name, it would be "the black rooster."

Rooster is another word for ****.

Maybe he likes black ****s?

:lol1:

hey its me truth. is gold mac there?

lol

If Rakim wasnt included in this poll, at least half of his votes would go to nas

If Rakim wasnt included in this poll, at least half of his votes would go to nas

i don't know about that...
it's possible.
but i still don't know if i would say that.

If Rakim wasnt included in this poll, at least half of his votes would go to nas

if rakim wasnt on here , i would vote for biggie even though i know hes not the best

Sixteen years since my first sixteen
Pardon the rest of my *****z...but I'm the best who's ever did it!

wheres that from lefster?

Tupac smokes all the other rappers....Who else can come out with a gangsta hit em up' then switch to dear mama??? tell me....Tupac is the most versatile rapper ever

Tupac smokes all the other rappers....Who else can come out with a gangsta hit em up' then switch to dear mama??? tell me....Tupac is the most versatile rapper ever

Never got into tupac, got a few of his albums and every time I finish listening to one I'm always like 'yeah he's good but not he's not that good'

Nas is the G.O.A.T.

nobody is the g.o.a.t

Nas is the G.O.A.T. in my book.

His throw away tracks, **** on 95-99% of rappers' best ****.

When people consider I AM... as falling off... Damn.

When Nastodoumas is one of your worst albums. Damn.

I Gave You Power, Money Is My *****, Among Kings, Fetus, Who Killed It?, etc.

One Love, The Set Up, Black Girl Lost, Shootoouts, K-I-S-S-I-N-G, Undying Love, Rewind, Fetus, Blaze A 50, Surviving The Times, etc.

Those are just creative conceptual and storytelling tracks, there's more I could add too.

Pac is the most overrated rapper of all-time

Pac is the most overrated rapper of all-time

I agree with that. Not that I think he's **** or anything but people seem to give him this god like status.

Completely changing the subject have any of you heard rap in other languages? I'm not sure if it's because I'm baked but the french language seems flow so much better.

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Big Punisher

NAS is the GOAT.

nobody is the g.o.a.t

Except Nas.

lulz.

I have studied the results of the "whos the greatest" polls and these 6 are the most commonly picked...If i was to put ras kass or big L, then i would have to put big daddy kane or kool g rap, or scarface...I dont believe biggie is a top 6 mc (he would have been if he didnt get shot). Im just going by the popular consensus.

i don't see the logic behind Biggie not being a top 6 MC...
he didn't even need the longevity in my opinion. the small amount of material that he was able to release speaks for itself.

Tupac Shakur

Whoever is mentioned as the number 1 rapper of all-time is going to be labelled overrated by another individual. It depends on what style you like most.

I personally have Nas as the greatest, surpassing Rakim with possibly the strongest catalogue in hip hop ever.

I think some people are picking their 'favourite' rappers over who they actually think is the greatest. In my opinion, Jay isn't top 5, but i won't disagree with somebody who has him in their top 3 for instance. It's just personal preference.

I think the top 6 (can't decide number 5 spot) greatest rappers are Nas, Rakim, BDK, Biggie, G Rap and Tupac. Taking skill, flow, impact, influence, originality, lyrics into consideration.

I'm a Biggie Smalls groupie, so for me he's the greatest.

To me he was the complete package, he had lyrics, flow, delivery, creativity and humour all rolled into one.

Ready To Die was like an epic gangster movie playing out in my mind as I listened to it. Every song was a different scene. The highs and lows, the joy and pain of leading that lifestyle sounded so vivid and real to me. Genius.

For the few years he was on top, he did a lot. Although he doesn't have the longevity, I feel those two albums are enough to warrant his place amongst the ATG's.

to me it's eminem

lmao look at these racist pricks not admiting its eminem. Its blatantly eminem, check out this first freestyle..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RYkzldEq4U

hate to brake it to you but there is no "best rapper EVER"

2pac, doesn't have the strongest flow, or wordplay
Biggie has a great flow and wordplay but is it the strongest?
KRS doesn't have the strongest flow or wordplay
Rakim has a strong flow and wordplay but is it the greatest?
Nas has a strong flow and wordplay but is it the greatest?
Jay Z has a strong flow and wordplay but is it the greatest?

its impossible to come up with the true GOAT, some people will always disagree, and will always have a strong argument. so many different styles that is just not possible.

the real question is,
"who is the most famous rapper EVER"

lmao look at these racist pricks not admiting its eminem. Its blatantly eminem, check out this first freestyle..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RYkzldEq4U

eminem is a great rapper, no doubt about that, he has a great flow, great delivery, great wordplay BUT!

Eminem isn't even the best white rapper ever

Definitely Dr.Dre..

Definitely Dr.Dre..

DRE doesn't even write his own rhymes

DRE doesn't even write his own rhymes

God does.

'Cause that's just how good he is.

God does.

'Cause that's just how good he is.


actually D.O.C. and Ice cube wrote some of his lyrics

2Pac is the GOAT, nobody comes close

IMO it's The Notorious one. As someone said he was the complete package of what you'd build a rapper from the ground up from. Great wordplay, metaphors, witty, humor, powerful voice, & street. Jay is a great rapper but let's not fool ourselves. He did what Biggie was doing when he was alive & it made him HUGE. When they rapped on the same track we all know who was lyrically superior. BIG already had a clothing line lined up (Brooklyn Mint), his new clique (which included Jay) called The Commission, & more than likely would've formed his own record label. Kool G Rap, KRS, Nas, & Rakim are all great but none of them have impacted rap/hip-hop culture they way BIG did. People today are still stealing lines from his raps from the 90's so what does that tell you? I respect all opinions but it seems that some of the younger hip-hop fans that didn't live through the "Biggie Era" were too young to feel his presence or to fully appreciate what he did when he was alive.

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2Pac is the GOAT, nobody comes close

with his simplistic style, he sure is

IMO it's The Notorious one. As someone said he was the complete package of what you'd build a rapper from the ground up from. Great wordplay, metaphors, witty, humor, powerful voice, & street. Jay is a great rapper but let's not fool ourselves. He did what Biggie was doing when he was alive & it made him HUGE. When they rapped on the same track we all know who was lyrically superior. BIG already had a clothing line lined up (Brooklyn Mint), his new clique (which included Jay) called The Commission, & more than likely would've formed his own record label. Kool G Rap, KRS, Nas, & Rakim are all great but none of them have impacted rap/hip-hop culture they way BIG did. People today are still stealing lines from his raps from the 90's so what does that tell you? I respect all opinions but it seems that some of the younger hip-hop fans that didn't live through the "Biggie Era" were too young to feel his presence or to fully appreciate what he did when he was alive.

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:thumbsdowOVERRATED

Pac was the most vesatile rapper of them all...yea he wasnt the best lyricist out the group, but his word play,content,hit singles, album quality,album sales, classics, beefs, i mean he did it all from brendas got a baby to i get around to hitm up to cali love etc.....

he did it all, his impact on music is untouchable...

my list goes

1.2pac
2.BIG
3.Jay-Z
4.Rakim
5.Eminem

:thumbsdowOVERRATED

Great post.

Great post.

you're overrating my post

haw many MCs other than Bibbie have you heard.

Pac was the most vesatile rapper of them all...yea he wasnt the best lyricist out the group, but his word play,content,hit singles, album quality,album sales, classics, beefs, i mean he did it all from brendas got a baby to i get around to hitm up to cali love etc.....

he did it all, his impact on music is untouchable...

my list goes

1.2pac
2.BIG
3.Jay-Z
4.Rakim
5.Eminem


pac had a simplistic style, his wordplay was weak, but he is the most famous ever

you're overrating my post

haw many MCs other than Bibbie have you heard.

I'm from NYC & grew up on hip-hop since the 80's my man.

I'm from NYC & grew up on hip-hop since the 80's my man.

i don't give a **** if your DJ Kool Herc's homie, how many superb MCs from all over the states have you heard?

Rakim hands down....Not even worth debating....

If you're from NYC and grew up in the early 80's, one would know that NOONE wanted to battle Rakim... Rakim was probably 20 years ahead of his time... His flow, metaphors,timing, lyrical imagery, and constant aggressive style revolutionized rap.... No one before him rapped like that...Ask anyone in the industry and they'll tell you the same...

Out of the list,,,maybe Biggie had a chance to touch the levels of Rakims genius... But, his short career leaves questions whether he could have created something that would withstand the test of time...

2pac was certainly "mainstream" and without a doubt the most "popular" and very commercially appealing but when you strip away all the controversy and compare and carefully examine written works side by side with some of the greats, he simply falls short...

Rakim and Nas would both rape tupac to death with the pen...lyrically he was never at any point ****in with either one of them.

Rakim and Nas would both rape tupac to death with the pen...lyrically he was never at any point ****in with either one of them.

Any top 20 NYC rapper would....

Rakim
Big Daddy Kane
KRS
Chuck D
Big Pun
Kurtis Blow
Big L
Nas
Grand Pubah
Special K
Keith Murray
Epmd (either member)
Ghost Face
The Genius
Method Man
LL
Kool Keith
Kool G rap
Jay z
Q-tip
Redman
Slick Rick

And many more would murk him in a battle....

i don't give a **** if your DJ Kool Herc's homie, how many superb MCs from all over the states have you heard?

I've been trying to play it cool since you quoted me & you came off like a dick & you're still being a dick. And likewise I don't give a **** who you are as well. I'm supposed to send you a list of who I think is hot so you can validate my knowledge of hip-hop? That's kiddy ****.

Any top 20 NYC rapper would....

true that...real talk my mayne

true that...real talk my mayne

What's your fav Mobb song?

NYC rappers are overrated as hell....Tupac is universally recognised as the best...just take a look at the poll....numbers don't lie....nobody had the range of Tupac...who else can come out with a savage diss song like hit em up and then write an elegant tribute to his mum - Dear Mama.....tell me...who can do that...give me evidence punks...nas, rakim...please they ain't **** compared to 2pac....ps. Biggie is a fat bastard

NYC rappers are overrated as hell....Tupac is universally recognised as the best...just take a look at the poll....numbers don't lie....nobody had the range of Tupac...who else can come out with a savage diss song like hit em up and then write an elegant tribute to his mum - Dear Mama.....tell me...who can do that...give me evidence punks...nas, rakim...please they ain't **** compared to 2pac....ps. Biggie is a fat bastard

2 pac is the most overrated rapper of all time.

Skill wise, poetic ability, lyrics, content, and flow, the most complete, rapper therefore the greatest, theres only one. The God, Rakim Allah.

Rakim and Nas would both rape tupac to death with the pen...lyrically he was never at any point ****in with either one of them.

True but both of them can't even come close to the energy he brought. Both of them can't spit with as much emotion as he brought to the mic. Which is why no other mc in the history of hip hop has meant as much to his fans. It's not just about lyrics. Which is why i think he's just as good as any mc ever.

True but both of them can't even come close to the energy he brought. Both of them can't spit with as much emotion as he brought to the mic. Which is why no other mc in the history of hip hop has meant as much to his fans. It's not just about lyrics. Which is why i think he's just as good as any mc ever.

thats very true...lyrics are overrated by many, I used to be one of those people that thought just because a rapper was better then another rapper lyrically, that rapper was better overall.

I dont think theres really any right or wrong answer with any of these rappers, except Biggie...only because his time was cut short (RIP). He might be the best ever had he not had his life taken...his delivery was incredible, his voice was great, his lyrics were great, flow....I love Big (no homo)

thats very true...lyrics are overrated by many, i used to be one of those people that thought just because a rapper was better then another rapper lyrically, that rapper was better overall.

I dont think theres really any right or wrong answer with any of these rappers, except biggie...only because his time was cut short (rip). He might be the best ever had he not had his life taken...his delivery was incredible, his voice was great, his lyrics were great, flow....i love big (no homo)

perfectly said friendo..me personally always had pun ahead of big. But i can't put pun as the goat or up there with the others because he dIdnt have enough material

****, I'm starting to think that Illogic is the greatest rapper ever.

Frank Wit is dope and so is Slug.

Nas, 2pac big L are all nice also.

I want to co-sign something gold mac said. B.I.G. could have been the greatest. I give him that. B.I.G. was the real deal like Holyfield. best believe

i voted for 2pac, but i feel like eminem is the best rapper.

perfectly said friendo..me personally always had pun ahead of big. But i can't put pun as the goat or up there with the others because he dIdnt have enough material

i respect that...I think Big had a better voice and presence on the mic, but Pun was incredible. He was the only rapper i know that was capable of rhyming 8 syllables from one line to the next...and for someone that was really overweight, you would never guess it by listening to him. His breath control is better then rappers that are probably a couple hundred pounds less then him...I dont understand how, but more credit to Pun.

I've been trying to play it cool since you quoted me & you came off like a dick & you're still being a dick. And likewise I don't give a **** who you are as well. I'm supposed to send you a list of who I think is hot so you can validate my knowledge of hip-hop? That's kiddy ****.

calm down, My point is there is so much Hip-Hop out there, to call one MC the greatest is kiddy ****.

True but both of them can't even come close to the energy he brought. Both of them can't spit with as much emotion as he brought to the mic. Which is why no other mc in the history of hip hop has meant as much to his fans. It's not just about lyrics. Which is why i think he's just as good as any mc ever.

there are so many other MCs that can touch you emotionally.

2 pac is the most overrated rapper of all time.

true, people's emotions get in the way when rating pac.

lmao this sh!t is hilarious

What do you people think of this MC right here???

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lmao this sh!t is hilarious

whats your favorite Mobb album?

mine is Hell on Earth, imo better than The Infamous.

^^ Good question, im one of the few people that love all their albums including Juvenile Hell, Infamy, and Blood Money...

I think Hell on Earth is their best with the Infamous closely in 2nd, my favorite is probably Murda Muzik

calm down, My point is there is so much Hip-Hop out there, to call one MC the greatest is kiddy ****.

I don't get amped over the internet. My point is the fact I made a statement & you quoted me & came off as a dick. Then you tell me you don't give a f@!k about who I am & I just let you know the same.

^^ Good question, im one of the few people that love all their albums including Juvenile Hell, Infamy, and Blood Money...

I think Hell on Earth is their best with the Infamous closely in 2nd, my favorite is probably Murda Muzik

The Infamous. Give Up The Goods was what really got me into them.

of course its not just about the lyrics. rhymes and flow are important too. to say 2pac is the best (#1 ATG) is just so wrong.

I don't get amped over the internet. My point is the fact I made a statement & you quoted me & came off as a dick. Then you tell me you don't give a f@!k about who I am & I just let you know the same.

a dick?
the reason i said, i dint give a **** if you were Kool Hercs home boy, is that people from NY seem to believe that just for being from NY, it supposed to mean something, i know people from Oregon that have far more knowledge than NY kids, who rate drake as one of the best.

people should just stop talking about who the best is bla bla bla, bull**** at the end its all about who you like the most

true, people's emotions get in the way when rating pac.

The reason is because he was so emotional and people felt like he did...I remember pac's mom said he got a letter of a kid who wanted to kill himself. But the makaveli album is what made him not kill himself. I think it was "white manz world" that made him understand he was going to get trough the tuff times. This kid was from the middle east. People just felt attached to pac and no other mc has more die hard fans then him because of that reason. Not many mc or artist can do what pac did

of course its not just about the lyrics. rhymes and flow are important too. to say 2pac is the best (#1 ATG) is just so wrong.

see


people just fall in love with one MC and they automatically rate him as the greatest ever,(similar to pacquiao fans), not knowing **** about whats out there.

i guess you people think only the best of the best are mainstream. :dunno:
but that is far from the truth.

see


people just fall in love with one MC and they automatically rate him as the greatest ever,(similar to pacquiao fans), not knowing **** about whats out there.

i guess you people think only the best of the best are mainstream. :dunno:
but that is far from the truth.


when i was a kid in 90s, 2pac and biggie are the popular rappers ive heard. i heard things about how they are the greatest back then.:banghead:
but after you listen to a lot of hip hop albums, you will say to your self, 2pac and biggie are not the greatest.


that edan rapper sounds good eh

The reason is because he was so emotional and people felt like he did...I remember pac's mom said he got a letter of a kid who wanted to kill himself. But the makaveli album is what made him not kill himself. I think it was "white manz world" that made him understand he was going to get trough the tuff times. This kid was from the middle east. People just felt attached to pac and no other mc has more die hard fans then him because of that reason. Not many mc or artist can do what pac did

yes he is the most touching MC, i guess *scarface, shad, sietenueve, to name a few*, but that's because his work is exposed all over the world, the controversies before and after his death helped A LOT.

yet skill wise he is average. you were the one talking about,"a,b,c simplistic rhymes, that was pac's style, and you were criticizing that style.

2Pac, all day.

a dick?
the reason i said, i dint give a **** if you were Kool Hercs home boy, is that people from NY seem to believe that just for being from NY, it supposed to mean something, i know people from Oregon that have far more knowledge than NY kids, who rate drake as one of the best.

people should just stop talking about who the best is bla bla bla, bull**** at the end its all about who you like the most

Key word right there. Most hip hop heads from NY (that I know) usually know their rap history past & current are older (late 20-40's but there are many exception & I know some of them on this forum; oldgringo knows his ****.) Those are the ones that grew up in the "Golden Age" of rap from the mid to late 80's into the 90's. The reason why I say that I'm from NY & have been listening to it all my life is because the radio stations in NY played this before ALL radio stations anywhere when rap was pure. That's the era I come from.

when i was a kid in 90s, 2pac and biggie are the popular rappers ive heard. i heard things about how they are the greatest.:banghead:


that edan rapper sounds good eh

true, back when i was in 6th grade people would tell me "pac and biggie are the best ever, nobody comes close", i was like "hell nah", but after time i was blinded, and i too believed that:banghead:, as i grew and go exposed to the internet, and all the Great MCs, a new one day by day, pac, was suddenly average, Biggie had TONS of competition.


Edan is ****in great, but he is not on tv and he doesn't live the thug life, so he is nothing compared to pac. ha!

NYC rappers are overrated as hell....Tupac is universally recognised as the best...just take a look at the poll....numbers don't lie....nobody had the range of Tupac...who else can come out with a savage diss song like hit em up and then write an elegant tribute to his mum - Dear Mama.....tell me...who can do that...give me evidence punks...nas, rakim...please they ain't **** compared to 2pac....ps. Biggie is a fat bastard

Nas.

"Ether"-savage Jay-Z diss

"Dance"-powerful and elegant tribute to his mom.

lmao when tupac was gettin ****ed in the ass as a young boy Rakim already had a couple classics...

And Pac considered Nas to be the best rapper in New York at least as of 96, hence the reason why Nas was referred to as the ring leader on the Makaveli intro. Pac knew he could never **** with Nas lyrically.

Honestly, Beanie Sigel raps with the same emotion as 2faggit and hes probably just as good if not better lyrically

Tupac is overrated a bit.

I mean he has some really powerful songs, no doubt, but he's not the only rapper who made powerful music.

His lyrics are pretty simple, not too many metaphors, wordplay and what not.

But he was good and his body of work is huge.

true, back when i was in 6th grade people would tell me "pac and biggie are the best ever, nobody comes close", i was like "hell nah", but after time i was blinded, and i too believed that:banghead:, as i grew and go exposed to the internet, and all the Great MCs, a new one day by day, pac, was suddenly average, Biggie had TONS of competition.


Edan is ****in great, but he is not on tv and he doesn't live the thug life, so he is nothing compared to pac. ha!

yeah me too i was blinded once. i mean i was young, no source of unknown rappers in the world, lives outside of the USA, only mainstream hiphop was the source.
internet is really a big help to search a lot of unknown great hiphop/rock albums.

2Pac deserves alot of credit. look at it this way. he came out with like a million albums after he died. so imagine this guys work ethic? and were talkin about classic songs in some cases, songs like until the end of time. pac should be in everybodys top 5 at the very least.