Key word right there. Most hip hop heads from NY (that I know) usually know their rap history past & current are older (late 20-40's but there are many exception & I know some of them on this forum; oldgringo knows his ****.) Those are the ones that grew up in the "Golden Age" of rap from the mid to late 80's into the 90's. The reason why I say that I'm from NY & have been listening to it all my life is because the radio stations in NY played this before ALL radio stations anywhere when rap was pure. That's the era I come from.

what i mean by KIDS, is the mentality of kids, stubborn as it gets, some guys are 20, 30, and they claim NY has the best rappers all other areas have garbage, most will never accept some new MC is on the level of Rakim, Kool G. Rap, Big Daddy Kane, Kool Mo Dee, and Biggie, when in fact that new MC is right there with them when talking skills. some claim NY has the bets MCs ever(i agree, but..), yet the mofo's don't even know Pharoahe Monch, R.A. The Rugged Man, and other great NY MCs exists.

Some(not the heads) also claim violence is a must, when in fact, Hip-Hop was created to neutralize violence on the Bronx, yeah Hip-Hop has been evolving, but today's listeners don't even know who(THE FOUNDERS THE CREATORS) DJ Kool Herc, Kool DJ Dee, and Afrika Bambaataa, are, and that is so sad.

Pharoahe Monch is very talented, he has one of the best flows ever and hes a top notch lyricist...but its hard for me to put him in my top 10, hes really made no impact since simon says was semi-popular and that was probably at least a decade ago

Nas.

"Ether"-savage Jay-Z diss

"Dance"-powerful and elegant tribute to his mom.

by the way, Ether is miles ahead of "hit em up" hit em up is incredibly overrated.

Pharoahe Monch is very talented, he has one of the best flows ever and hes a top notch lyricist...but its hard for me to put him in my top 10, hes really made no impact since simon says was semi-popular and that was probably at least a decade ago

****KK impact, now you're also defending ignorance??? the song "crank that" has made far more impact than all of Pharohe's albums put together, SO??? does that supposed to mean the " boy soulja" is better??? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME.

2Pac deserves alot of credit. look at it this way. he came out with like a million albums after he died. so imagine this guys work ethic? and were talkin about classic songs in some cases, songs like until the end of time. pac should be in everybodys top 5 at the very least.


you talking about, after he died, he still keeps on releasing albums which is just recycling his old stuff.

you talking about, after he died, he still keeps on releasing albums which is just recycling his old stuff.

Yeah, but he also had TONS of unreleased material.

He may not be the best ever, but his catalog is huge for dying as young as he did.

2Pac deserves alot of credit. look at it this way. he came out with like a million albums after he died. so imagine this guys work ethic? and were talkin about classic songs in some cases, songs like until the end of time. pac should be in everybodys top 5 at the very least.

as an mainstream artists he is great, but when talking skills, he is not on my top 100

Yeah, but he also had TONS of unreleased material.

He may not be the best ever, but his catalog is huge for dying as young as he did.

but at what cost? all that material is filled with simplified lyrics

what i mean by KIDS, is the mentality of kids, stubborn as it gets, some guys are 20, 30, and they claim NY has the best rappers all other areas have garbage, most will never accept, some some new MC is on the level of Rakim, Kool G. Rap, Big Daddy Kane, Kool Mo Dee, and Biggie, when in fact that new MC is right there with them when talking skills. some claim NY has the bets MCs ever(i agree, but..), yet the mofo's don't even know Pharoahe Monch, R.A. The Rugged Man, and other great NY MCs exists.

Some(not the heads) also claim violence is a must, when in fact, Hip-Hop was created to neutralize violence on the Bronx, yeah Hip-Hop has been evolving, but today's listeners don't even know who know who(THE FOUNDERS THE CREATORS) DJ Kool Herc, Kool DJ Dee, and Afrika Bambaataa, are, and that is so sad.

Sad but true. I'm not one of those NY'ers that think all NY rappers are hot. Far from that & other regions have rappers that have been putting it down for a long time. My thing is when I hear young cats talk about how overrated BIG was & how he was just alright I gotta laugh. For a rapper to put out 2 1/2 albums & most put him in their top 5 or 10 of all time says alot what he accomplished in such a short amount of time.

****KK impact, now you're also defending ignorance??? the song "crank that" has made far more impact than all of Pharohe's albums put together, SO??? does that supposed to mean the " boy soulja" is better??? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME.

you takin that too far Mr. Master Mason....**** Crank that. Its ignorant to think that impact is not important at all, it doesnt mean everything but it means sumthin. It aint nothin to get heated over homie, I listen to Pharoahe Monch and a couple of other back packers. You gotta look at the whole picture, you clearly have a bias towards impact...until you realize that, you are being ignorant.

Ill say this though...the amount of weight that impact holds continues to decline, but i personally think it will always be somethin that holds some weight. Now breathe deeply, calm yourself down, and think with an open mind.

but at what cost? all that material is filled with simplified lyrics

Nah, I was just saying he had a lot of material, it wasn't just recycling ****.

You cant say someone is the best ever.. You can say who your favorite ever is.. But i mean Jay z has 11 number 1 albums.. Tupac is a trend setter.. Biggie is BIGGIE and nas is a legend.. They all are the best to me

You cant say someone is the best ever.. You can say who your favorite ever is.. But i mean Jay z has 11 number 1 albums.. Tupac is a trend setter.. Biggie is BIGGIE and nas is a legend.. They all are the best to me

i like how you think

Sad but true. I'm not one of those NY'ers that think all NY rappers are hot. Far from that & other regions have rappers that have been putting it down for a long time. My thing is when I hear young cats talk about how overrated BIG was & how he was just alright I gotta laugh. For a rapper to put out 2 1/2 albums & most put him in their top 5 or 10 of all time says alot what he accomplished in such a short amount of time.

Biggie is definitely great, unlike pac, he has a superb wordplay, but to call him the greatest ever, is laughable, to much out there, Hip-Hop is HUGE, thats why i laugh when people say Hip-Hop is literately dead.

Biggie is definitely great, unlike pac, he has a superb wordplay, but to call him the greatest ever, is laughable, to much out there, Hip-Hop is HUGE, thats why i laugh when people say Hip-Hop is literately dead.

I agree to a certain extent that hiphop is dead. When it became big business & a gimmick is when it started happening. It lost it's purity. Like The Golden Mac said I think you minimize impact too much. Impact doesn't mean everything but it most definitely counts when it comes to music.

You probably heard this & this came out I think in 94' which is even more true now:

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From one of my fav albums:

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you takin that too far Mr. Master Mason....**** Crank that. Its ignorant to think that impact is not important at all, it doesnt mean everything but it means sumthin. It aint nothin to get heated over homie, I listen to Pharoahe Monch and a couple of other back packers. You gotta look at the whole picture, you clearly have a bias towards impact...until you realize that, you are being ignorant.

Ill say this though...the amount of weight that impact holds continues to decline, but i personally think it will always be somethin that holds some weight. Now breathe deeply, calm yourself down, and think with an open mind.

look its a Hip-Hop conversation, I'm glad i'm having it.
Impact just means commercial success, and that does not equal greatness in my book, i'm not ignorant i simply see it from a different view.

"back packers"? what does that supposed to mean?

and the amount of weight that impact holds continues to decline, BECAUSE you don't like the **** that makes the most impact now a days, that's why impact is declining to you. It is you who needs to think with an open mind.

btw, my user name comes from one of Percee P's lines,

"your whole crew versus me kid that will be 3rd Degree Mas Murder"

this is why i feel like these disscussions are bad. look at all the tension this **** is causing. lol

this is why i feel like these disscussions are bad. look at all the tension this **** is causing. lol

this is just a discussion about Hip-Hop is good to have them. :fing02:

all these rappers could be argued as the best. but really there is no best because who the best is, is just an opinion. music is all opinions.

look its a Hip-Hop conversation, I'm glad i'm having it.
Impact just means commercial success, and that does not equal greatness in my book, i'm not ignorant i simply see it from a different view.

"back packers"? what does that supposed to mean?

and the amount of weight that impact holds continues to decline, BECAUSE you don't like the **** that makes the most impact now a days, that's why impact is declining to you. It is you who needs to think with an open mind.

Im not tryin to son you or anything, but I used to think the same way...

The way i see it, theres three groups of rap fans...

backpackers...fans that **** ride rappers that aint popular

Mainstream **** riders...fans that **** ride the popular rappers

And then theres the inbetween group...the group that im part of, the group that deserves the most respect for being open minded. The ones that listen to everything...

And the last thing u said was really ignorant....The significance of impact has nothin to do with the music i like or dislike, it has to do with album sales and exposure. Its mostly mainstream rappers that get exposure now. Every once in a while a rapper thats somewhere inbetween mainstream and backpack will have a commercial hit but not often. We seen it a year or two ago when Sheek Louch had the video for "Good Luv" on 106 and park.

I look at everything when determining who the best is...

Flow
Lyrics
Impact
Longevity
Mic Presence
Consistency
Guest appearences
Ability to outshine other artists
vocabulary
etc. etc.

Follow my lead....

:boxing:

this is just a discussion about Hip-Hop is good to have them. :fing02:

i'm glad your having a good time. :fing02:

I agree to a certain extent that hiphop is dead. When it became big business & a gimmick is when it started happening. It lost it's purity. Like The Golden Mac said I think you minimize impact too much. Impact doesn't mean everything but it most definitely counts when it comes to music.




love use to love her

i said, i laugh when people claim Hip-Hop is literately dead, Hip-Hop is obviously in a bad state on the mainstream, but at the end of the day, its Hip-Hop you might not like it, but its Hip-Hop, The "real" Hip-Hop i would say is very weak on the mainstream, but it lives on the Net. it lives World Wide.

hip hop had a great year.

lets just pretend that impact has no significance, that means that Jay-Z having 11 #1 albums means absolutely nothin...yea, that makes alotta sense :dry:

one statistic i really respect about jay-z is how he went 8 years with an album every year. and how he went 6 years with a hit song or more every year. not sure if any other rapper did that.

Im not tryin to son you or anything, but I used to think the same way...

The way i see it, theres three groups of rap fans...

backpackers...fans that **** ride rappers that aint popular

Mainstream **** riders...fans that **** ride the popular rappers

And then theres the inbetween group...the group that im part of, the group that deserves the most respect for being open minded. The ones that listen to everything...

And the last thing u said was really ignorant....The significance of impact has nothin to do with the music i like or dislike, it has to do with album sales and exposure. Its mostly mainstream rappers that get exposure now. Every once in a while a rapper thats somewhere inbetween mainstream and backpack will have a commercial hit but not often. We seen it a year or two ago when Sheek Louch had the video for "Good Luv" on 106 and park.

I look at everything when determining who the best is...

Flow
Lyrics
Impact
Longevity
Mic Presence
Consistency
Guest appearences
Ability to outshine other artists
vocabulary
etc. etc.

Follow my lead....

:boxing:

so impact is just RECORD SALE and exposure? i thought it was much more than that, in that case impact is even worth less in my book.


Guest appearences and impact are worth **** in my book, the rest are a must,

also, i'm a Hip-Hop Fan, i like Hip-Hop from my city from MTV, from all over the world, i like jay, wayne, gucci mane, i like Isight, DOOM, i like Boca Floja, Siete Nueve, Nengo Flow, Cosculluela... in other words, gangsta rap, conscious rap, political rap, nercore rap, horror-core rap, religious rap...
you get the point.

although i dont always agree with gold mac. i have to say i think often he is very fair with rap opinions.

lets just pretend that impact has no significance, that means that Jay-Z having 11 #1 albums means absolutely nothin...yea, that makes alotta sense :dry:

that mean he's a good business man, what the **** does that have to do with Hip-Hop

although i dont always agree with gold mac. i have to say i think often he is very fair with rap opinions.

am i not? man:grumpy:

hip hop had a great year.

yeah, next year will be great as well

am i not? man:grumpy:

lol. your a funny guy. i dont know you well enuff yet to judge you like that. i've know gold mac my whole life. we've had alot of wars over rap. lol

so impact is just RECORD SALE and exposure? i thought it was much more than that, in that case impact is even worth less in my book.


Guest appearences and impact are worth **** in my book, the rest are a must,

also, i'm a Hip-Hop Fan, i like Hip-Hop from my city from MTV, from all over the world, i like jay, wayne, gucci mane, i like Isight, DOOM, i like Boca Floja, Siete Nueve, Nengo Flow, Cosculluela... in other words, gangsta rap, conscious rap, political rap, nercore rap, horror-core rap, religious rap...
you get the point.

thats good, i respect that u listen to all kinds of rap...im not sure what your sayin in your first little paragraph, it sounds like u didnt quite get what I was sayin...either that, or your too closed minded too understand. Im not hatin though, if u dont consider impact to matter then its all good. U sound kinda mad...im cool and relaxed my mayne, im just having fun.

Not that u probably care...or maybe u do, like i said u do seem kinda mad...but i cant really respect your opinions if u think impact means nothin. Jay-Z having 11 #1 albums means nothing? Really breh? :laugh:

It might not be one of the most important things, but it means somethin...which people dont seem to understand on this site. Theres alotta backpackers on here...In sayin you, but in general. I woulda gladly have shut up a while ago if I thought impact was very important, but I dont. Too many people do put too much weight on impact.

Im about to be out for the night, ill holla at u tomorrow fam :laugh:

that mean he's a good business man, what the **** does that have to do with Hip-Hop

You gotta have a product that is marketable to be a great business man in most cases, which Jay-Z has always had. Hes not even one of my favorite rappers, although i do like him...And im not for all that men lie, women lie, numbers dont crap because numbers do lie when they are looked at in a biased way. Im lookin at them in the least biased way possible, im sayin while they're not as important as other aspects of a rappers skill are, they still mean somethin. Ya dig?

people need to give jay more credit for the 8 years straight years of albums thing. and 6 straight years of hits. Thats hard to do. Thats one stat that deserves more attention in his case.

thats good, i respect that u listen to all kinds of rap...im not sure what your sayin in your first little paragraph, it sounds like u didnt quite get what I was sayin...either that, or your too closed minded too understand. Im not hatin though, if u dont consider impact to matter then its all good. U sound kinda mad...im cool and relaxed my mayne, im just having fun.

Not that u probably care...or maybe u do, like i said u do seem kinda mad...but i cant really respect your opinions if u think impact means nothin. Jay-Z having 11 #1 albums means nothing? Really breh? :laugh:

It might not be one of the most important things, but it means somethin...which people dont seem to understand on this site. Theres alotta backpackers on here...In sayin you, but in general. I woulda gladly have shut up a while ago if I thought impact was very important, but I dont. Too many people do put too much weight on impact.

Im about to be out for the night, ill holla at u tomorrow fam :laugh:


i have Hip-Hop discussion all the time, because i enjoy them.

so I'm a back packer? :grumpy:

isn't impact, how you influence the game? how you influence people?, that's how i saw it, till you told me its just record sales and exposure, of coarse by selling more records and having exposure you're going to be able to influence more people, is that what you meant? and of coarse it holds something, what i meant by "****kk impact" is, some people put too much weight on it, just like you said.


btw, Mobb Deep is ****in nice, there was a time years ago, when i was... you could say obsessed with the Queens Bridge Housing Projects, to the point where i wanted to live there, :rofl:, no joke, it just captured me, it made me love NY. the Mobb had a lot to do with that, you know what they say, QB is the pound for pound #1 hood in Hip-Hop.

You gotta have a product that is marketable to be a great business man in most cases, which Jay-Z has always had. Hes not even one of my favorite rappers, although i do like him...And im not for all that men lie, women lie, numbers dont crap because numbers do lie when they are looked at in a biased way. Im lookin at them in the least biased way possible, im sayin while they're not as important as other aspects of a rappers skill are, they still mean somethin. Ya dig?

true, marketable in todays world, were knowledge and skill isn't key, i respect Jay cause he still has the crazy wordplay.

people need to give jay more credit for the 8 years straight years of albums thing. and 6 straight years of hits. Thats hard to do. Thats one stat that deserves more attention in his case.

jay gets all the credit he deserves, dude is filthy rich

true. ^lol. i'm just saying thats an impressive stat though.

lets just pretend that impact has no significance, that means that Jay-Z having 11 #1 albums means absolutely nothin...yea, that makes alotta sense :dry:

after thinking about it, jay having 11 #1 albums is meaningless, he could have 30 #1 albums, or none and i would think about him the same way. pac sold over 65 million records world wide so he must be greatest? :banghead: ha!

i have Hip-Hop discussion all the time, because i enjoy them.

so I'm a back packer? :grumpy:

isn't impact, how you influence the game? how you influence people?, that's how i saw it, till you told me its just record sales and exposure, of coarse by selling more records and having exposure you're going to be able to influence more people, is that what you meant? and of coarse it holds something, what i meant by "****kk impact" is, some people put too much weight on it, just like you said.


btw, Mobb Deep is ****in nice, there was a time years ago, when i was... you could say obsessed with the Queens Bridge Housing Projects, to the point where i wanted to live there, :rofl:, no joke, it just captured me, it made me love NY. the Mobb had a lot to do with that, you know what they say, QB is the pound for pound #1 hood in Hip-Hop.

I think your actin like you didnt know what i meant my impact...nice try. Too bad impact and influence are very similar, impact might have a little more to do with numbers where as influence has more to with how other rappers are effected by one rapper. Some of the most influential rappers are Kool G Rap, Rakim, big Daddy Kane, Jay-Z, Nas, Pac and Biggie...all rappers that are or were mainstream at one point. Other rappers try to copy these rappers...less credit to the rappers that copy, but more credit to the rappers that set the trends and changed the game. What did Pharoahe Monch ever do to change the game, or the other rappers that you mentioned?

jay gets all the credit he deserves, dude is filthy rich

c/s...Jay himself knows he gets all the credit he deserves and probably more, when you compare him to Nas...It doesnt matter whos better, nas or Jay...but they are on the same level, many would say. One has alot more money then the other. At the same time, one of them is a much better entertainer then the other so it is what it is.

after thinking about it, jay having 11 #1 albums is meaningless, he could have 30 #1 albums, or none and i would think about him the same way. pac sold over 65 million records world wide so he must be greatest? :banghead: ha!
You must be an extremist...I never said that Jay is the greatest because of his 11 #1 albums, and that Pac is the greatest because he sold over 65 million. All I said was that both of them accomplishing those things...it has to mean something. Personally, I cant ignore those stats...A rapper must not just be great at rapping to do that, but they gotta be great at entertaining as well...and to me, rap and entertainment go hand in hand. Being a good entertainer is part of being a good rapper. Also, rap is a form of entertainment.

Its all good though fam, if u wanna disagree...what am i gonna do? Spend alotta time trying to convince you? I think i have done all that I can, its time to move on.

Back to what u said about Mobb Deep...i c/s that to the fullest, I would love to drive through QB smokin a blunt and drinkin a 40...as long as i got a bulletproof vehicle lol....nah queens aint like it used to be, but its still not a place that i would feel safe randomly venturing around. I do think the best rappers in the world come from Queens...theres a long list of legends. Brooklyn gives queens a run for its money though...I dont think theres any rapper ever thats equal to the Gza from about 93 to 96 and hes from BK.

Have u ever heard the Mobb Deep demo tape? Its classic material, i didnt get my hands on it until about a year ago but once i did...i still listen to it all the time. If u havent heard it, ill post a link a little bit later on....:yes:

*edit*

And i dont think your a backpacker, i respect your diversity in the music you like

lmfao@gold mac. he said you must be an extremist. line of the day right there. :D

The Gold Mac

^^^^^^

But don't you think when someone listens to a rapper he is being influenced by them? what are your thoughts?

Also, rappers are influenced by other rappers, but they don't necessarily try to copy them, who of the 7 Great MCs you mentioned has Monch's style? who has Tonedeff's style? they aren't necessarily better performers, they just have more fans, they appeal to a wider audience that is not very knowledgeable when it comes to Hip-Hip, so you have to give to those Mcs credit for that, but you also have to be aware that those fans, don't know much about Hip-Hop. seriously record sales aren't worth much to me(am i ignorant for having a different perspective? of coarse not), but i respect your opinion, you give record sales some credit, i give it very little, and it wont change, i'm a huge fan myself, i'm not like some of this closed minded people that you encounter on this forum.

NY ain't like it used to be, it recently surpassed San Jose for the safest Big City in the U.S., and I've lived in messed up cities before, Mexico City, Tijuana, Mexico. both cities with a far higher crime rate than NY.
i meant Queens Bridge, not the Borough. BK, Manhattan, Shaolin, BX, all have great MCs.

about Gza that's your opinion, many will disagree many will agree.
I've heard most of Mobb's ****, from "Juvenile Hell" to Prodigy's and Havoc's last Mixtapes, "Hell on Earth" being my favorite album, and one of my all time favorites, next to "liquid swords", "paid in full", "soul on ice"... i would appreciate it if you gave me a link for that demo tape.

and its cool, think of me how ever you want. We are all Hip-Hop fans at the end.

lmfao@gold mac. he said you must be an extremist. line of the day right there. :D

i'm an extremist? :dunno:






























:wank:

^^^^^^

But don't you think when someone listens to a rapper he is being influenced by them? what are your thoughts?

Also, rappers are influenced by other rappers, but they don't necessarily try to copy them, who of the 7 Great MCs you mentioned has Monch's style? who has Tonedeff's style? they aren't necessarily better performers, they just have more fans, they appeal to a wider audience that is not very knowledgeable when it comes to Hip-Hip, so you have to give to those Mcs credit for that, but you also have to be aware that those fans, don't know much about Hip-Hop. seriously record sales aren't worth much to me(am i ignorant for having a different perspective? of coarse not), but i respect your opinion, you give record sales some credit, i give it very little, and it wont change, i'm a huge fan myself, i'm not like some of this closed minded people that you encounter on this forum.

NY ain't like it used to be, it recently surpassed San Jose for the safest Big City in the U.S., and I've lived in messed up cities before, Mexico City, Tijuana, Mexico. both cities with a far higher crime rate than NY.
i meant Queens Bridge, not the Borough. BK, Manhattan, Shaolin, BX, all have great MCs.

about Gza that's your opinion, many will disagree many will agree.
I've heard most of Mobb's ****, from "Juvenile Hell" to Prodigy's and Havoc's last Mixtapes, "Hell on Earth" being my favorite album, and one of my all time favorites, next to "liquid swords", "paid in full", "soul on ice"... i would appreciate it if you gave me a link for that demo tape.

and its cool, think of me how ever you want. We are all Hip-Hop fans at the end.

You made some good points and I respect your opinions...and i shouldnt say your closed minded, i think that the more rappers someone listens too the more respectable their opinions become. Theres people that think Lil Wayne is the goat (lol) but they might not listen to that many other rappers.

And I agree that mainstream fans are biased, and not the most knowledgeable fans...i guess the difference is that you place very little emphasis on what impact means, where as i place little emphasis on it...the difference is the word very. But I can respect that. What I cant stand is the people that **** ride all underground rappers, or all mainstream rappers...and your not either one of them.

Heres that mobb deep demo tape, I upped the original thread but the links are dead in it.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7C6AVVF0

You made some good points and I respect your opinions...and i shouldnt say your closed minded, i think that the more rappers someone listens too the more respectable their opinions become. Theres people that think Lil Wayne is the goat (lol) but they might not listen to that many other rappers.

And I agree that mainstream fans are biased, and not the most knowledgeable fans...i guess the difference is that you place very little emphasis on what impact means, where as i place little emphasis on it...the difference is the word very. But I can respect that. What I cant stand is the people that **** ride all underground rappers, or all mainstream rappers...and your not either one of them.

Heres that mobb deep demo tape, I upped the original thread but the links are dead in it.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7C6AVVF0


i give you props, i rarely meat people who think like you. some people, after hearing a dope MC, close off and will call him the greatest, not knowing of the talent out there.

i also don't think Mainstream and Underground are the only categories, there are some rappers who are much more known than others in the mainstream, there are other rappers that are less known than others in the underground, there's some that you could put in both. Hip-Hop is endless.


btw i was unable to listen to that mobb demo for some reason :banghead:

i give you props, i rarely meat people who think like you. some people, after hearing a dope MC, close off and will call him the greatest, not knowing of the talent out there.

i also don't think Mainstream and Underground are the only categories, there are some rappers who are much more known than others in the mainstream, there are other rappers that are less known than others in the underground, there's some that you could put in both. Hip-Hop is endless.


btw i was unable to listen to that mobb demo for some reason :banghead:

thanks man and I agree, i didnt mean to come off like those are the only 2 categories of rappers...i mean, theres different levels of mainstream and underground. I see what your sayin...

Did u try the link i posted in this thread or the other one? This ones still working, I gotta copy and paste it into the other thread. Im about to put some other stuff in there too like the Murda Muzik Bootleg, the Pre-Hell On Earth CD, and a song that just leaked the other day that was supposed to be on Hell on Earth. Honestly, I still love Mobb Deep...What did u think of what Prodigy did the last couple of years with Return of the Mac, HNIC 2, and Product of the 80's? I know there not often talked about, especially on here, but I loved all 3 of them. Prodigy aint nothing lyrically compared to what he was, but hes still got one of the best voices in my opinion and he showed he can really flow on that Product of the 80's cd.

i got to give prodigy his props cuz hes great at his style. i actually liked product of the 80's and return of the mac. i just never got around to buying them. but product of the 80s caught my ear.

i got to give prodigy his props cuz hes great at his style. i actually liked product of the 80's and return of the mac. i just never got around to buying them. but product of the 80s caught my ear.

Its probably not necessary for me to say this, but I like your sig :yes:

Heres snippets for the first 8 songs....

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I love this song...Un Pacino is nice on this (hes the dude with the most normal voice outta him, Prodigy, and Big Twinz) (Big Twinz is the dude with the really scratchy raspy voice)

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i know this sounds weird but i actually like DMX alot more now since that incident where they would not let him on the stage because he showed up late....lol. i just thought it was bull**** they treated a legend like that. it made me like dmx more.

Yea pigs are always giving X a tough time...**** the police!!!

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thanks man and I agree, i didnt mean to come off like those are the only 2 categories of rappers...i mean, theres different levels of mainstream and underground. I see what your sayin...

Did u try the link i posted in this thread or the other one? This ones still working, I gotta copy and paste it into the other thread. Im about to put some other stuff in there too like the Murda Muzik Bootleg, the Pre-Hell On Earth CD, and a song that just leaked the other day that was supposed to be on Hell on Earth. Honestly, I still love Mobb Deep...What did u think of what Prodigy did the last couple of years with Return of the Mac, HNIC 2, and Product of the 80's? I know there not often talked about, especially on here, but I loved all 3 of them. Prodigy aint nothing lyrically compared to what he was, but hes still got one of the best voices in my opinion and he showed he can really flow on that Product of the 80's cd.



no doubt, i'll try again, and i'll see whats up,
I'm a Mobb Deep fan till the end, just like I'm Wu fan till the end, i liked all of Prodigy's new ****, i bought Return of the mac, i got Havocs new ****, P might not be Great like he used to be, but i still like his work.


this **** is down
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Tupac with almost 40% of the votes

from that list its jay-z easily. Hes the only rapper that people still listen to. All those other rappers should be deleted from raps history. Especially shnazzir.

Gnause lost.

You just don't know very much about hip-hop, do you?

As to the topic at hand, Rakim is the best on that poll. I maintain that GZA the Genius is the GOAT, but Rakim, Nas and KRS-One all belong up there.

from that list its jay-z easily. Hes the only rapper that people still listen to. All those other rappers should be deleted from raps history. Especially shnazzir.

Gnause lost.

Whats Your Beef Wit nas?

Im going with the 6 most popular choices I see on the internet, everytime this comes up...

If i had to put them in order it would go something like this

2pac
nas
rakim
krs one
jay-z
Biggie

The fact that you don't have Kane, Pun or G Rap, on there, shows your ignorance.

I'd say Eminem. His lyrics are amazin!!

2pac is good, but would he be as big now if he wasn't shot?

eminem? you gotta be joking, mofoker doesnt even write all of his songs moron

Brad "Scarface" Jordan................Thread Closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LuPe FiasCo

Nas imo is the greatest rapper ever

so many classic songs/verses

His verse on Verbal intercourse probably my favorite of all time.

No Big Pun or Kool G Rap = ****ty list

The fact that you don't have Kane, Pun or G Rap, on there, shows your ignorance.

No Big Pun or Kool G Rap = ****ty list

Didnt u idiots read what the thread starter said? He said he was going based off of what rappers are the most popular amongst internet pulls. That means all hip hop fans, not just old heads or back packers

Didnt u idiots read what the thread starter said? He said he was going based off of what rappers are the most popular amongst internet pulls. That means all hip hop fans, not just old heads or back packers

I don't care what you said the list is extremely lacking.

What are you talking about "old heads and back packers" most of the rappers you listed came out before Pun.

Your list would be like asking who the greatest boxer of all time is leaving out Ali, Robinson, Duran etc.

Poor show I don't care how many internet polls you go off.

Im going with the 6 most popular choices I see on the internet, everytime this comes up...

If i had to put them in order it would go something like this

2pac
nas
rakim
krs one
jay-z
Biggie

Going off just your list i would pick Nas/Tupac. My favorite ever though is Tech N9ne. ( Dj Quik gets an honorary mention)

i know he isnt in your list on your poll, but DMX definitely deserves a mention for contention.

he had amazing potential, he just had issues with drugs, even then he still brought out really good songs, but he was able to bring them out because of his struggle. he has some deep songs

i know he isnt in your list on your poll, but DMX definitely deserves a mention for contention.

he had amazing potential, he just had issues with drugs, even then he still brought out really good songs, but he was able to bring them out because of his struggle. he has some deep songs

I literally just had this exact same conversation with my brother yesterday. If only he could've gotten rid of that demon that is addiction.

From that list, Rakim Nas or Jigga.

The man in the avatar, MF DOOM. Madvilliany=Best rap album i've ever listened to.

Based on this list:
1.Biggie
1.Tupac
2. Rakim
3. Nas
4. Jigga
5. KRS-One

I'd say Eminem. His lyrics are amazin!!

2pac is good, but would he be as big now if he wasn't shot?

Yes people have to understand lyrics are relative and what you feel and as great as em is he never really had those songs that stuck with you pass the initial album, except maybe I am, 8 mile road, and, maybe like one or 2 other songs..Big pun and big L are other great mentions