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Great
11-10-2004, 01:23 PM
How you think, who from boxers in history of heavyweight which could not win a title, have more deserved ranks of the champion?

Ivansmamma
11-11-2004, 08:53 AM
Jerry Quarry

Great
11-11-2004, 09:20 AM
I think same way.:)
But there can be other nominees.
What about Henry Cooper?

Ivansmamma
11-11-2004, 09:50 AM
I agree on Henry Cooper.

Great
11-11-2004, 05:47 PM
In history of heavyweight were some else fighter`s, who probably deserve title.
For example, Donovan Ruddock.
He have very good fights with serious fighters:
vs ex-champion Mike Weaver, win by UD, 1986;
vs ex-champion James (Bonecrusher) Smith, win by KO in 7, 1989;
vs ex-champion Michael Dokes, win by KO in 4, 1990;
vs ex-champion on that time Mike Tyson, loss by very doubtful TKO in 7 and UD, 1991;
vs ex-champion Greg Page, win by TKO in 8, 1992;
vs Phil Jackson, win by KO in 4, 1992.
Only after defeat from Lewis his career has gone down.

Foreman
11-11-2004, 11:53 PM
Jerry Quarry, Earnie Shavers and Ken Norton came along at a bad time for them. Norton was given the title by one of the alphabet groups, but I always figured you had to win it in the ring. If not, I could pay someone off and be the champ! :D Ray Mercer probably should be on this list as well.

Dude
11-12-2004, 08:35 AM
Sam Langford has to be mentioned.

Prorock
11-12-2004, 01:53 PM
Jerry Quarry, Henry Cooper... Butterbean :)

Champoreeno
11-12-2004, 02:03 PM
Sam Langford has to be mentioned.

Langford was definitely the non champ most deserving of having been one, but he wasn't a heavyweight, though he did beat some HW's of the day.

Dude
11-12-2004, 02:15 PM
Langford was definitely the non champ most deserving of having been one, but he wasn't a heavyweight, though he did beat some HW's of the day.

Well, as you already stated he fought some fights in the HW division (against Jack Johnson f.e.) and cause of this I thought I'd be allright to list him here.

lsk
11-12-2004, 04:20 PM
Ken norhten

Champoreeno
11-12-2004, 04:23 PM
Well, as you already stated he fought some fights in the HW division (against Jack Johnson f.e.) and cause of this I thought I'd be allright to list him here.

I agree, anytime a topic along these lines comes up, there should be an obligatory Sam Langford mention.

tntkid
11-13-2004, 06:46 PM
Ken Norton is the only one I can think of.

dingus
11-13-2004, 07:27 PM
They may not have deserved it, but I would liked to have seen Ray Mercer and Bert Cooper win a title(Not WBO).

Yogi
11-15-2004, 06:06 PM
Lots of great or talented heavyweights have never won or had the chance to win the world title. Here's a few that come to mind;

Peter Jackson, Tom Sharkey, Sam Langford, Joe Jeannette, Sam McVey, Harry Wills, Luther McCarty, Young Stribling, George Godfrey (20's and 30's version), Roland LaStraza, Eddie Machen, Zora Folley, Cleveland Williams, Jerry Quarry, Jimmy Young, etc.

That's only a few of the better heavyweight contenders throughout history, but there's been a number of others.

joho
01-30-2005, 01:14 PM
henry cooper

jayrichardse
01-30-2005, 07:36 PM
no that sucked

Dynamite76
05-02-2005, 02:26 PM
Oscar Bonavena
James Tillis
Renaldo Snipes
Gerry Cooney
Mitch Green
Jimmy Young
Earnie Shavers
Ron Lyle

Dynamite76
05-02-2005, 02:31 PM
Jerry Quarry, Earnie Shavers and Ken Norton came along at a bad time for them. Norton was given the title by one of the alphabet groups, but I always figured you had to win it in the ring. If not, I could pay someone off and be the champ! :D Ray Mercer probably should be on this list as well.

It's not Ken's fault that the title was handed to him.It'
s not his fault that Ali didn't follow script by beating Leon Spinks and doing his part of the deal.Norton beat Jimmy Young, which pretty much made him the top dog for the belt. That's good enough for me.

XionComrade
05-02-2005, 03:55 PM
Butterbean...LOL

Earnie Shavers? Hardest puncher to ever live, did he ever get it?

Kimmy
05-02-2005, 07:30 PM
Honorable mention to Ron Lyie. He was one of the better heavyweight. Great punch and was in the 1976 fight of the year ( Vs Foreman )

welshwales
05-12-2005, 05:06 PM
Andrew Golota

paul750
05-12-2005, 05:24 PM
They may not have deserved it, but I would liked to have seen Ray Mercer and Bert Cooper win a title(Not WBO).
yes ray mercer deserves a metion, evertime i see that fight he had with lewis, i'm amazed at just how good he was a that time, or how good he could have been

Imira
05-16-2005, 04:17 AM
Jerry Quarry, definitely. Cleveland Williams.

adeelr
05-18-2005, 07:49 PM
george foreman said that jerry quarry was the best heawyweight that never became champion

dmar
07-02-2005, 10:15 AM
Lots of great or talented heavyweights have never won or had the chance to win the world title. Here's a few that come to mind;

Peter Jackson, Tom Sharkey, Sam Langford, Joe Jeannette, Sam McVey, Harry Wills, Luther McCarty, Young Stribling, George Godfrey (20's and 30's version), Roland LaStraza, Eddie Machen, Zora Folley, Cleveland Williams, Jerry Quarry, Jimmy Young, etc.

That's only a few of the better heavyweight contenders throughout history, but there's been a number of others.
great list..i think folley machen etc were not that good but i thought off the bat..langford lastarza wills norton......in another division billy petrolle

Kid Achilles
07-02-2005, 12:04 PM
Williams was even better than Lyle. It's a shame that his prime was cut short courtesy of a cop's bullet, because I think he really would have had a chance against Ali otherwise.

75th
07-02-2005, 03:01 PM
Quarry, Young, and Cooper

anwaryussuf81
07-13-2005, 09:15 PM
Quarry is one of them

hellfire508
07-14-2005, 06:01 AM
jerry quarry hands down

Dynamite76
07-22-2005, 01:39 PM
Carl "The Truth" Williams

hellfire508
07-22-2005, 11:24 PM
1. Sam Langford
2. Ken Norton
3. Jerry Quarry
4. Archie Moore
5. Tom Sharkey
6. Earnie Shavers
7. Ron Lyle

Dynamite76
08-08-2005, 08:18 PM
James "Quick" Tillis

Briman15
08-11-2005, 08:55 PM
Richie Melito :)

Dynamite76
08-20-2005, 02:41 PM
Harry Wills

Troy Fine
08-21-2005, 03:34 AM
Billy Conn the guyed weighed something like 168 and fought a over 200 pound joe loius in his prime (and he is one of the greatest fighters in history)and Conn almost beat him

Dempsey 1919
10-25-2005, 06:01 PM
I really see seven true competitors that fell short. Here they are.

1) Zora Folley - he fought Ali in 1967, the prime of the butterfly's career. He won the first two rounds from Ali. He almost confused Ali in the early going and he was the number one contender in the ten years prior to that fight.

2) Archie Moore - although a light heavyweight most of his career, he was top contender for that division for 12 years. But because of his being black he was denied a title shot for that long period of time. Had he won the LH title about eight years quicker, he would have had more chances to win the heaveweight crown and would have done it. He would have destroyed Marciano at say 37 than at 43 when he actually fought him, and he would have been champion before the great Floyd Patterson came on the scene in the mid 50s. Moore would have had the crown by the time Joe Louis retired.

3) Jerry Quarry - He put up two good fights against Smokin' Joe Frazier.

4) (A forgotten one) Karl Mildenburger - fighting Ali in 1966, he gave the greatest some trouble with his southpaw stance.

5) Doug Jones - He matched Cassius Clay in 1963 blow for blow and actually won on points. However the officiating was horrendous that night and Clay's hands were raised. Had it gone the other way, Jones would have fought Liston and not Clay.

6) Henry Cooper - Flooring a 21 year old Cassius Clay, he almost won that fight when Clay was bought more time to recover and then win. If it wasn't for Clay's manager and trainer at the time Angelo Dundee, Cooper would have been fighting Liston for the crown and not Clay.

7) George Chuvalo - He never was knocked down and fought over 90 times. He had one title shot at Ali in 1966, he fought other heavyweight greats such as George Foreman, Joe Frazier, and Floyd Patterson.