my son is failing three classes. Lang. Arts, less than 30% in that class, US History and Algebra. B=Art, B=PE, C=Science. Other than that.....F..... Any suggestions besides beating him, grounding him, etc??....nothing is working and he's headed off to the continuation school and he's upset about it. If he were 16, I'd make him get job, but I have to wait one and half years for that one. I've done all the "right" things and can't get thru, so I've pretty much just let it be. I still make him follow the rules and he receives consequences for his actions or lack thereof, but I have pretty much given up hope on him. At least for this year.

How about seriously staying in contact with his teachers? It used to scare the **** out of me to know my teachers and my mother were talking...Or at least making a weekly progress notebook for them to sign..

Maybe a child psychologist? Sounds like he has issues.

Chop off his penis.

Originally posted by ruffneck119
Chop off his penis.

I don't know if that would be a good idea.

he can work before 16 by getting a worker's permit. he can pick it up over at the career center or ask the guidance counselor. i started work at 15 because of one.

as discussed prior, look into independent studies.

What are his interests? you can put him in one of these schools which only teach an concret theme as music, art...

Check the crowd he's hanging out with. My fiance's little brother was like that. Spoiled kid. Started talking back and showing alot of bravado. For an asian family thats a no no. Well, I guess thats every family. Even signs of physical threats towards other family members. Started messin up at school. We started noticing it was the crowd he was hanging out with. I told em your taller than me now. Your gonna eventually be stronger than me but you will never beat me. I told him I will whoop your ass and I'll be so happy if he fought back. To make a long story short, he went to the army and just came back. He seems a little bit better now. That and I think he still fears me. Like other people in here said. Fear is a good motivator. That or send his ass to the armed forces.

Suckerpunch him in the chest and yell OPEN CHEST, *****! evrytime he acts like a spoiled lil' punk.

Originally posted by Mr. Beelzebub
Suckerpunch him in the chest and yell OPEN CHEST, *****! evrytime he acts like a spoiled lil' punk.

HAHAHA I remember doing that.....

Originally posted by Purity
he can work before 16 by getting a worker's permit. he can pick it up over at the career center or ask the guidance counselor. i started work at 15 because of one.

as discussed prior, look into independent studies.

I don't see how working or IS would help at all.

Some kind of military school would be best.

BTW: continuation school would only lay the ground work for him to be lazy because the work is much easier in there.

I think a***a is on to something....the boy needs fear....the boy acts up cause he's not afraid to act up.....

Originally posted by ruffneck119
I don't see how working or IS would help at all.

Some kind of military school would be best.

because most of the time kids rebel is because they want the same respect that adults get. they wanna grow up faster than the norm. so you give em the shot at it.
if somebody doesn't like authority and you respond back with an overdose of authority then you're fighting fire with fire so i don't really see what military school will accomplish, besides major resentment towards the people who sent you there.

Originally posted by Nuno
I think a***a is on to something....the boy needs fear....the boy acts up cause he's not afraid to act up.....

Yeah but they would have had to make him respect them when he was younger. Now it's too late he will just get mad or tell the cops or something gay.

BEAT YOUR CHILDREN PEOPLE

Originally posted by madcrewmom
I have pretty much given up hope on him. At least for this year.

1st off: we're only 22 days into a 365 day year and you're already giving up hope on him?


2ndly: Allison makes a good point.


3rdly: Purity is correct.


Last but not least: ruffneck119 is a complete ****ing idiot and i wish he would stop posting to be funny and post with good, solid, understandable comments.

















actually, i take that back... i wish he would just stop posting all together.

Originally posted by ruffneck119
Yeah but they would have had to make him respect them when he was younger. Now it's too late he will just get mad or tell the cops or something gay.

BEAT YOUR CHILDREN PEOPLE

How old is he?

Originally posted by Purity
because most of the time kids rebel is because they want the same respect that adults get. they wanna grow up faster than the norm. so you give em the shot at it.
if somebody doesn't like authority and you respond back with an overdose of authority then you're fighting fire with fire so i don't really see what military school will accomplish, besides major resentment towards the people who sent you there.

Someone will have to be on him for IS because if he isn't doing his work now with IS what do you think he wil do? Then the person to be be on his ass would be his mom then he would resent his mom.

Working at low wages so young will do one of two things, make a person never want to do that kind of work again (so they focus on school for a better outcome) or they get used to working harder and harder but just in work. They never grow out of working hard when working smart is the only way to really prosper in life.

Also, what the hell does he need money for? Why reward him with money (a job) when school is much much more important.

Originally posted by Allison
How about seriously staying in contact with his teachers? It used to scare the **** out of me to know my teachers and my mother were talking...Or at least making a weekly progress notebook for them to sign..

Done

Originally posted by ruffneck119
I don't see how working or IS would help at all.

Some kind of military school would be best.

Unaffordable at $1900/month

And I have been fighting to keep him out of continuation school. I lost.

Originally posted by madcrewmom
Unaffordable at $1900/month

And I have been fighting to keep him out of continuation school. I lost.

Make him go to church and sign up for some kind of community service (volunteer work). Or some kind of mentor program.

Show him responsibility without direct rewards.

Originally posted by Dogg^x0
1st off: we're only 22 days into a 365 day year and you're already giving up hope on him?


2ndly: Allison makes a good point.


3rdly: Purity is correct.




1: We are halfway thru the school year. That's where I've given up on him.

2: I'm in constant touch with teachers and weekly reports come home every week. It doesn't scare him.

3:I've done what the psychologist has suggested to avoid resentment. Doesn't work, I can't punish him at all without some sort of resentment going on. It doesn't matter to him why we are punishing him, lecturing him, etc.

Afga: He doesn't hang out with many kids for very long. He gets tired of them. I can't watch him at school without going to school with him and that will build resentmetn more than anything, been there done that.

I am giving up on pushing him academically, him getting a job migh just teach him repsonsiblity. I've given him respect when he's earned it and he spits on me when I'm not looking.

Some one just shoot me

Originally posted by ruffneck119
Make him go to church and sign up for some kind of community service (volunteer work). Or some kind of mentor program.

Show him responsibility without direct rewards.

Now that's an idea that I can try. It's one I haven't tried yet. Thanks Ruffneck.

Have fun in Vegas.

Originally posted by Nuno
How old is he?

He's 14

Originally posted by ruffneck119
Yeah but they would have had to make him respect them when he was younger. Now it's too late he will just get mad or tell the cops or something gay.

BEAT YOUR CHILDREN PEOPLE

We've been teaching him respect since he could understand it. I also spanked him.....it's him. I'm tired of taking blame for his screw ups when I've got three kids and only one is like this.

The mentor thing was a good idea..Check into a Big Brother type program, maybe..

Is he into martial arts? Maybe, that might be good also. I got into alot of streetfights when I was a kid. Not cuz I was a badass. Just the neighborhood. When, I started to box. It made me realize my lifes worth. That, I can't fight every guy that wants to start a fight with me.

It might give him some discipline and help him focus. Just a thought.

Originally posted by agfa
It might give him some discipline and help him focus. Just a thought.

He's been in it. He's been in baseball and bmx biking too. These are all great ideas, he's just one stubborn kid.

He brought home his progress report today, his weekly one, which also represents the final semester grade since it ended today. 34.1 % in Lang. Arts, a B in PE, a 59% in USHistory, a 48% in Algebra, a B in Art and a C @71.5% in science. The classes with really low grades are missing several assignments. Some as simple as having me sign a paper which is worth 10 pts. They are given easy assignments, bonus points if I come to Back to School Night, etc. They make it too easy not to pass. But yet he still can't do it. Because he doesn't even try. It makes me so sad. I have to do my job as a parent and teach him responsibility, but I don't know how to get thru to him. I've tried so many ways. I just don't know.....God this is depressing me.

Originally posted by madcrewmom
Unaffordable at $1900/month

And I have been fighting to keep him out of continuation school. I lost.

and not safe

I'll look for the issue of maxim I read it in, but several kids at one of these military schools ended up eating dirt and sleeping out doors.

Some kids are tied up or handcuffed and left outdoors overnight. These kids are treated in ways that prisinors in the hardest jails in the country would never be treated

Originally posted by Allan the Magic Goose
and not safe

I'll look for the issue of maxim I read it in, but several kids at one of these military schools ended up eating dirt and sleeping out doors.

Some kids are tied up or handcuffed and left outdoors overnight. These kids are treated in ways that prisinors in the hardest jails in the country would never be treated

In some ways that just might do the trick for him, but I could never bring myself to that intentionally to him.

Give me the boy. I will teach him the way of the wild and how to be a man in the canadian woods.

Originally posted by agfa
Is he into martial arts? Maybe, that might be good also. I got into alot of streetfights when I was a kid. Not cuz I was a badass. Just the neighborhood. When, I started to box. It made me realize my lifes worth. That, I can't fight every guy that wants to start a fight with me.

Most martial arts are not strict enough. Not like say football; with a coach yelling at your ass, you always have the chance of getting really hurt, other people count on you not to **** up, and there is more competition.

When you are this young, MA instructors don't really push you or put you in enough danger to make you gain enough from MA. They don't yell at you, you don't get hurt every single day, you don't get into real confrontations with your sparring partners because they keep you all padded and don't let you go all out.

Put your kids in some real Muay Thai or something that is real hardcore like if you want them to really gain some discipline from MA. Not just do a bunch of kicks but get kicked in the face a bunch of times.

**** this ***** ****.

What the hell were we talking about again?

Originally posted by Gman
Give me the boy. I will teach him the way of the wild and how to be a man in the canadian woods.

Some how, I don't see you as a buck on family guy Grant

It more inspired from bambi but whatever.

Originally posted by ruffneck119
I don't see how working or IS would help at all.

Some kind of military school would be best.


Actually, when I was going to college, I learned a lot about juvenile justice, and military schools really aren't very effective. Because what do they do? You get a bunch of trouble makers into a place where the drill instructors are screaming in their face to get them to respond, when most of them probably are screamed at at home anyway.

Have you considered a wilderness camp? It's where they take problem children into a very natural environment and make them survive, basically. By going through it, it kicks them into the reality that the world doesn't revolve around them, and it has a high success rate or attitude changing.

I understand that not everyone is fortunate with the luxury of comfortable finances, but look at the options. If you are stopping from helping him in a way that might actually make an impact because of financing, look at what you are saying. You are basically admitting defeat before you've tried all options.

Sell cookies, have a garage sale, pick up cans. Do what it takes. This is your child, and really at his age you're clost to hitting a point of no return as far as changing his behavior is concerned.