Hiyas,

This is not intended to start a flame war with the Vitali loyals.

Ive recently seen the fight between Sanders and Rahman from 1995 and have noticed similarities between Vitali vs Sanders, lol apart from the fact before you say it that Sanders was fighting and it was a boxing match.
People say that Vitali has a good solid chin, I totaly disagree, as Sanders is not a real heavy puncher. In his bout with Rahman he hit him all night long with straight left hands and they had no effect on Rahman, who by the way is not well known for a good chin. Rahman on the other hand had Sanders, a 34 year old slim and fit looking Sanders down 3 times, Vitali didnt put him down once, questioning his own power. I think Vitali came along at the right time when oposition was none existant, the only decent fighter he has fought was a fat out of shape and unmotivated Lewis. Lewis was ****e that night and deserved to loose, but guess what he didnt he busted Vits face to shreads, and though Lewis behind on cards he was dishing out some very heavy damage to Vitali before the TKO, summed up quickly Vit was ass kicked by a lack luster Lewis and would have been KTFO in the later rounds had it continued. Now if thats Vitali's claim to fame being the nearly man its crap and meaningless.
When Vitali meets Williams I think we are all going to be shocked, well not all of us because many people believe that Williams will walk straight through Vitali and KO him in style.
Every time Vitali got hit by Sanders, who realy isnt a hard puncher, he blinked and screwed his face up and ran backwards off balance looking very gun shy, I tell you if he backs away from Williams even for a second he will wake looking up at the ref at the count of nine. Williams has got a devastating right or left hook and will be heavier than Vit on the night when not if he connects its gonna be lights out baby.
The only way i can see Williams loosing is if he lets Vit push him backwards all night.

i do not agree that Sanders isnt a heavy puncher thats not true, I do beleive the fight may go somink like this though.

Vitali comes out to dominate firing off the jab and the stinging right hand williams has to use a lot lateral movement to get inside, get to vitali early and hurt him give him somink to think about. Its imperative he does this, if he doesnt and let vitali fire off that big one two all night its bye bye Danny.

If williams can get inside, tie vitali up, he will have the advantage, its nigh on impossible to punch down when you are so much taller without exposing yourself to the big uppercut on the inside, something we lennox do to good effect in the final round of their much vaunted clash. Danny need to do that as often as possible.

Danny has to stick this game plan for the first 4-5 rounds in my view, when he is on the outside he needs to work off the jab to give himself room to get inside. Movement is the key.

I personally have doubts bout V's stamina, and this is where Williams can capitalise, if he takes past the 6th I think he drown vitali as he did tyson. (ok tyson only had stamina for 3 rounds Im giving klit 6-8).

Then danny can unload his own bombs and his power is underrated imo, he has fast hands too he needs to put these advantages to good effect, its hurting vitali early not letting him settle, using better movement and footwork to keep the champ guessing and then getitng inisde and making it count, slamming that big rib cage to slow the ukranian down, that holds the key, If he can do this and fight baqsically the perfect fight of the smaller man, then he will win.

If he doesnt then Vitali will prevail. thats my take! ;) :cool:


getting off the fence im going for a williams victory tko rnd 9 ;)

Wy do think williams stamina is better than vits, he had a very high tempo fighting sanders, and he weighs 15lb less than williams.

I dont see it, do think danny has good stamina because its better than tyson?

Besides ive Vit seen him knock people in the 10-12 round.

I think Vital does indeed have a decent chin. Look at the Lewis fight. He took some big shots that night, and it didn't even seem to faze him.

I think Vital does indeed have a decent chin. Look at the Lewis fight. He took some big shots that night, and it didn't even seem to faze him.

Vitali took some monster shots from Lewis, Remember that huge uppercut Lewis landed in the last round? It almost lifted Vitali off his feet, he tied up for a second and got right back to pressuring Lewis. To think that Lewis wasnt more tired than Vitali at the point is a joke, the person that started this thread said that Lewis would have KO'd him in the later rounds. No one can change what really happened, but Lewis looked like he was going to have a heart attack at the end of that last round, he would have been stopped. I'm looking foward to this fight.

im so tired of this fat out of shape lennox crap
that dumb fruit has gotten people to believe him
he wasnt that out of shape
he was a little thicker then normal but by no means any more out of shape then he normally is
he only came in about 10 pounds more thne his normal weight
besides he had a fight with johnson comin up
why would he be out of shape?

just face it
he was to old for vitali
thats the only reason
that nite and any nite after that
Vitali would end up the winner
and he knew it
hence his retirement
nothing wrong with leaving on top

Vitali has a decent chin but he was OUT ON HIS FEET at the end of the 6th round (and dumb Jum Lampley didn't even see the punch Lewis hithim with and claimed Lewis was holding on, even though it was Vitali who was falling into Lewis . . ) Go watch the tape. I don't even know why this is debated anymore. He was more out of it then Lewis was, who was even able to land another uppercut at the bell.
Regarding the Sanders-Rahman fight-Rahman was down twice. Sanders can hit. But the bad thing is that the Sanders who fought Vitali was not the Sanders who fought Rahman, and even though Rahman was shaken by his shots he never retreated or was as stunned as Klitscko was in that 1st round. Sanders against Klitschko was older, fatter (and Corrie never had great conditioning or stamina), and could only fight for about 20 seconds of each round before he got fatigued. And Vitali still got very tired after the 5-6th round. Vitali's stamina is not very good (and don't bring up the Donald and Bean fight b/c those guys did absolutely nothing for the whole fight and Klitschko stopped them on their feet he didn't knock them down). Williams is a wild card but I think he has the style to upset Vitali.

im so tired of this fat out of shape lennox crap
that dumb fruit has gotten people to believe him
he wasnt that out of shape
he was a little thicker then normal but by no means any more out of shape then he normally is
he only came in about 10 pounds more thne his normal weight
besides he had a fight with johnson comin up
why would he be out of shape?

just face it
he was to old for vitali
thats the only reason
that nite and any nite after that
Vitali would end up the winner
and he knew it
hence his retirement
nothing wrong with leaving on top

some of what you say is true there mate, I do think Lennox realised the new hungry guy was up and coming and whether he had the desire to get back into prime physical shape he needed was in fact not debatable cos he retired so he had enough.

However to put this into perspective until a week or 2 before the fight Lewis was fighting the human lard bucket Kirk Johnson whom lets face it even an out of shape lewis couldda dealt with inside 5, when Kirk pulled out Lewis was left facing a loss of millions diue to the card being promoted by his company Lion promotions so he gave Vitali the shot.

So hardly ideal prep for either man, but Vitali is undoubtedly gonna be the hungrier due to the nature of the state of the careers, so he was in better shape and I believe his original oppoenent was probably potentially more taxing than Kirk. (it sl;ips my mind whom but monte barret was it?)

So Lewis was 10llbs over his normal weight thats a ****ing lot mate for a prime time athlete, a heck of lot.


TO answer the question bout the stamina cos Ive seen danny do 12 rounds many many times, he is a proven 12 round fighter and can keep the pace up so I beleive his stamina as the more compact man, will be better and more durable also Vitlai has shown signs in his previous fights that he is puffing a bit come the half way mark.....sanders isnt a good example cos Corrie was so bloody out of shape its no pride to say you outworked someone who was 15 pounds over fighting weight is it?, not scientific I know but you asked!!!

fair comment above guys?? Interested to know any others. ;)

If you didnt intend this become a flame Vitali-hating thread, why did you give it that name? Let me put it to you simply. If Lennox the Lion, an infinitely better boxer than Williams, lost to Vitali every round, and was on his way to getting KTFO, what in God's name makes you think that Williams would do any better? C'mon man, get your head on right.

Danny Williams is a mediocre fighter.

He did nothing special against Tyson but survive.
I think if anyone survives Tyson early (which isn't as hard to do as before, Mike's just a winger now) & puts a few shots together, they have a great chance of taking him out.

If you didnt intend this become a flame Vitali-hating thread, why did you give it that name? Let me put it to you simply. If Lennox the Lion, an infinitely better boxer than Williams, lost to Vitali every round, and was on his way to getting KTFO, what in God's name makes you think that Williams would do any better? C'mon man, get your head on right.

i dont think that a fair reflection of the lennox fight mate, every round? 4-2 maybe but not every round not on my card! ;)

Danny Williams is a mediocre fighter.

He did nothing special against Tyson but survive.
I think if anyone survives Tyson early (which isn't as hard to do as before, Mike's just a winger now) & puts a few shots together, they have a great chance of taking him out.

Exactly right, Jabs. Williams is being hyped as a much better fighter than he actually is. And as most of us beleive, Tyson's injury beat him. Danny Williams just happened to be in the ring when it happened and threw a few punches to a man that was probably in agony. Now dont get me wrong, Im not a Tyson sackrider but I do think logically. And I would be that were there a rematch between the two, Tyson would come out on top. Dont count Tyson out yet. We just might see him with a belt before its all said and done.

i dont agree but its got us all chattin! mikes been shot for ten years come on, even in a poor heavyweight div he is past it, id like ot see him save his fighting for his own life, hopefully he coudl turn it around, Im sure he would make millions using his boxing knkowledge as a coomentator cos Im sorry his fighting days are gone in my opinion, still nice chat all :cool: :cool:

Before every VK fight ppl come out here and say he will be exposed. Every one was sure the Kirk would KHTFO. Didnt happen. Every one said Sanders was gonna kill him. Didnt happen. He lost to Lennox but was fighting and winning till it was called. Don't know who would have won if it went another round. Now Danny William. This ******* got KTFO by SAM for christ sake. I'm gonna put my money on the white guy in this one. VK by KO in the 7th

PS

Funny thing is that once VK wins these same guys that are saying VK will get exposed, will turn around and say something like "Big deal he beat up a 2nd tier level from Britain WTF does that prove". LMAO mark my words thats what will be said!!! :D

Hiyas,

This is not intended to start a flame war with the Vitali loyals.

Ive recently seen the fight between Sanders and Rahman from 1995 and have noticed similarities between Vitali vs Sanders, lol apart from the fact before you say it that Sanders was fighting and it was a boxing match.
People say that Vitali has a good solid chin, I totaly disagree, as Sanders is not a real heavy puncher. In his bout with Rahman he hit him all night long with straight left hands and they had no effect on Rahman, who by the way is not well known for a good chin. Rahman on the other hand had Sanders, a 34 year old slim and fit looking Sanders down 3 times, Vitali didnt put him down once, questioning his own power. I think Vitali came along at the right time when oposition was none existant, the only decent fighter he has fought was a fat out of shape and unmotivated Lewis. Lewis was ****e that night and deserved to loose, but guess what he didnt he busted Vits face to shreads, and though Lewis behind on cards he was dishing out some very heavy damage to Vitali before the TKO, summed up quickly Vit was ass kicked by a lack luster Lewis and would have been KTFO in the later rounds had it continued. Now if thats Vitali's claim to fame being the nearly man its crap and meaningless.
When Vitali meets Williams I think we are all going to be shocked, well not all of us because many people believe that Williams will walk straight through Vitali and KO him in style.
Every time Vitali got hit by Sanders, who realy isnt a hard puncher, he blinked and screwed his face up and ran backwards off balance looking very gun shy, I tell you if he backs away from Williams even for a second he will wake looking up at the ref at the count of nine. Williams has got a devastating right or left hook and will be heavier than Vit on the night when not if he connects its gonna be lights out baby.
The only way i can see Williams loosing is if he lets Vit push him backwards all night.

You obviously need to rewatch the fight. Rahman had him down twice. One was a push and the other was a flash KD. Rahman went down once himself and nearly exited the ring like he did against Maskaev. So Williams now has more power than Sanders? Wow, I've heard it all now. Sanders is clearly a heavier puncher than Williams. Sanders finished Sprott off in one which was something Williams couldn't even come close to doing. Just look at Sanders 6 wins since he beat Purrity. Cyzy TKO 2, Valdez TKO 1, Cole TKO 1, Sprott TKO 1, Tisdale TKO 2, W. Klitschko TKO 2. If that isn't power than I don't know what is.

You obviously need to rewatch the fight. Rahman had him down twice. One was a push and the other was a flash KD. Rahman went down once himself and nearly exited the ring like he did against Maskaev. So Williams now has more power than Sanders? Wow, I've heard it all now. Sanders is clearly a heavier puncher than Williams. Sanders finished Sprott off in one which was something Williams couldn't even come close to doing. Just look at Sanders 6 wins since he beat Purrity. Cyzy TKO 2, Valdez TKO 1, Cole TKO 1, Sprott TKO 1, Tisdale TKO 2, W. Klitschko TKO 2. If that isn't power than I don't know what is.

I think Sander's power comes from his abnormally fast hands. He's not a monster puncher like Tyson,Tua,etc. but he does hit fairly hard and I believe it stems from his extrmely quick hands.

If you didnt intend this become a flame Vitali-hating thread, why did you give it that name? Let me put it to you simply. If Lennox the Lion, an infinitely better boxer than Williams, lost to Vitali every round, and was on his way to getting KTFO, what in God's name makes you think that Williams would do any better? C'mon man, get your head on right.

Thats the big question?

I think Sander's power comes from his abnormally fast hands. He's not a monster puncher like Tyson,Tua,etc. but he does hit fairly hard and I believe it stems from his extrmely quick hands.

Well like you said he has faster hands than both of them and he is a southpaw, and very few boxers hit as hard as them. He had Rahman in a lot of trouble near the end of the 2nd round, and luckily for Rahman he was saved by the bell.

Thats the big question?

Like I said Williams is the worst boxer that Vitali has fought in 3 years. Once Vitali beats him, everyone is going to go back to rightfully calling Williams a bum.

I think Sander's power comes from his abnormally fast hands. He's not a monster puncher like Tyson,Tua,etc. but he does hit fairly hard and I believe it stems from his extrmely quick hands.

Possible, but the effect is stil power.

And if speed is such a power factor how come byrd hit like a little girl when he is fast?

Like I said Williams is the worst boxer that Vitali has fought in 3 years. Once Vitali beats him, everyone is going to go back to rightfully calling Williams a bum.

Nah, i think he will give a better show than whale-johnson, but ultimatly he is dead meat.

10 inch hight difference will be hard to handle.

And what this nonsense that willimas will tire Vit, he 15lbs heavier.

Hiyas,

This is not intended to start a flame war with the Vitali loyals.

Ive recently seen the fight between Sanders and Rahman from 1995 and have noticed similarities between Vitali vs Sanders, lol apart from the fact before you say it that Sanders was fighting and it was a boxing match.
People say that Vitali has a good solid chin, I totaly disagree, as Sanders is not a real heavy puncher. In his bout with Rahman he hit him all night long with straight left hands and they had no effect on Rahman, who by the way is not well known for a good chin. Rahman on the other hand had Sanders, a 34 year old slim and fit looking Sanders down 3 times, Vitali didnt put him down once, questioning his own power. I think Vitali came along at the right time when oposition was none existant, the only decent fighter he has fought was a fat out of shape and unmotivated Lewis. Lewis was ****e that night and deserved to loose, but guess what he didnt he busted Vits face to shreads, and though Lewis behind on cards he was dishing out some very heavy damage to Vitali before the TKO, summed up quickly Vit was ass kicked by a lack luster Lewis and would have been KTFO in the later rounds had it continued. Now if thats Vitali's claim to fame being the nearly man its crap and meaningless.
When Vitali meets Williams I think we are all going to be shocked, well not all of us because many people believe that Williams will walk straight through Vitali and KO him in style.
Every time Vitali got hit by Sanders, who realy isnt a hard puncher, he blinked and screwed his face up and ran backwards off balance looking very gun shy, I tell you if he backs away from Williams even for a second he will wake looking up at the ref at the count of nine. Williams has got a devastating right or left hook and will be heavier than Vit on the night when not if he connects its gonna be lights out baby.
The only way i can see Williams loosing is if he lets Vit push him backwards all night.
Vitali took Sanders' punches clean on the chin and about 100 of them from Lennox Lewis and didn't go down. If that's not a solid chin, I don't know what is.

Sanders can't punch?

Ross Purrity, who has one hell of a chin, says differently. He says Sanders hits harder than both Klit brothers combined.

That doesn't mean Williams can't beat Vitali. I think he can. But your premise that Vitali can't punch and has no chin is so retarded I'm pissing in my shorts reading your post. You should be ashamed of your lack of boxing knowledge

Williams, if he is to win this fight, will have to pressure Klitschko from the opening bell.

Personaly, I think if Williams had a better defense, he would have a better shot - that said, if Vitaly runs out of gas early, it's good night for him, and he doesn't like to be pressured, he likes distance between himself and his opposition.

Cuts will always be a factor in a Klitschko bout, it's all about the bone structure baby, deep-set eyes make for easy cuts - I know that from first hand experience! Lennox exposed just how badly you can exploit Klitschko in that area....

Well like you said he has faster hands than both of them and he is a southpaw, and very few boxers hit as hard as them. He had Rahman in a lot of trouble near the end of the 2nd round, and luckily for Rahman he was saved by the bell.

Tyson had faster hands then Sanders in his prime

Tyson had faster hands then Sanders in his prime


Vitali wins by way of 6th round TKO

I think Vitali will prevail...I wonder how much more he's going to have to do in order to gain some respect. If Williams pulls the upset I will be surprised, but hey it's the year of the upset I guess.

Williams, if he is to win this fight, will have to pressure Klitschko from the opening bell.

Personaly, I think if Williams had a better defense, he would have a better shot - that said, if Vitaly runs out of gas early, it's good night for him, and he doesn't like to be pressured, he likes distance between himself and his opposition.

Cuts will always be a factor in a Klitschko bout, it's all about the bone structure baby, deep-set eyes make for easy cuts - I know that from first hand experience! Lennox exposed just how badly you can exploit Klitschko in that area....


Especially if you punch with your thumb out like Lewis was in their fight!!! That will cut anyone!!! ;) Those cuts on Vitali's eye were caused by Lennox's thumb!!! Watch the tape!!!

Tyson had faster hands then Sanders in his prime

...and according to Tommy Brooks, Wlad has faster hands than Tyson.

...and according to Tommy Brooks, Wlad has faster hands than Tyson.
Tommy Brooks never worked with a prime Tyson in the mid to late 80s. Wasn't he working with Wlad when he said that?

That's like Manny Steward saying Octavio Lara was better than a young Hearns.

Trainers can be the most unobjective sources of info in the universe.

I think Norman Stone actually says John Ruiz has a better right hand than Joe Louis. Do you believe that?

Vitali has a decent chin but he was OUT ON HIS FEET at the end of the 6th round (and dumb Jum Lampley didn't even see the punch Lewis hithim with and claimed Lewis was holding on, even though it was Vitali who was falling into Lewis . . ) Go watch the tape. I don't even know why this is debated anymore. He was more out of it then Lewis was, who was even able to land another uppercut at the bell.
Regarding the Sanders-Rahman fight-Rahman was down twice. Sanders can hit. But the bad thing is that the Sanders who fought Vitali was not the Sanders who fought Rahman, and even though Rahman was shaken by his shots he never retreated or was as stunned as Klitscko was in that 1st round. Sanders against Klitschko was older, fatter (and Corrie never had great conditioning or stamina), and could only fight for about 20 seconds of each round before he got fatigued. And Vitali still got very tired after the 5-6th round. Vitali's stamina is not very good (and don't bring up the Donald and Bean fight b/c those guys did absolutely nothing for the whole fight and Klitschko stopped them on their feet he didn't knock them down). Williams is a wild card but I think he has the style to upset Vitali.


....Lewis collapsed on his stool at the end of the 6th round like he was dead. He pretty much fell onto it. I'm not even sure he would have come out for the next round(at least his corner might have kept him from going out). Vit took his shots and kept coming. Lewis shot his wad and had nada left. The debate on this topic will never end unless Lewis brings his sorry as out of retirement and gets put to sleep for good. No way he will do that because he hasn't got the balls and his pride is too high to come back and get an ass whipping.

Tommy Brooks never worked with a prime Tyson in the mid to late 80s. Wasn't he working with Wlad when he said that?

That's like Manny Steward saying Octavio Lara was better than a young Hearns.

Trainers can be the most unobjective sources of info in the universe.

I think Norman Stone actually says John Ruiz has a better right hand than Joe Louis. Do you believe that?

I wasn't aware that Norman Stone worked with Joe Louis.

....Lewis collapsed on his stool at the end of the 6th round like he was dead. He pretty much fell onto it. I'm not even sure he would have come out for the next round(at least his corner might have kept him from going out). Vit took his shots and kept coming. Lewis shot his wad and had nada left. The debate on this topic will never end unless Lewis brings his sorry as out of retirement and gets put to sleep for good. No way he will do that because he hasn't got the balls and his pride is too high to come back and get an ass whipping.

And USA Today reported Lewis stumbled all the way back to his dressing room after the fight.

Before every VK fight ppl come out here and say he will be exposed. Every one was sure the Kirk would KHTFO. Didnt happen. Every one said Sanders was gonna kill him. Didnt happen. He lost to Lennox but was fighting and winning till it was called. Don't know who would have won if it went another round. Now Danny William. This ******* got KTFO by SAM for christ sake. I'm gonna put my money on the white guy in this one. VK by KO in the 7th

PS

Funny thing is that once VK wins these same guys that are saying VK will get exposed, will turn around and say something like "Big deal he beat up a 2nd tier level from Britain WTF does that prove". LMAO mark my words thats what will be said!!! :D


...Your last paragraph is so right on that it's hilarious. God forbid Williams comes in 2 ounces over his last weight or he will be called fat and out of shape. You right when you say that guys will denegrate Vitali no matter what. If he is nearly flawless it will be that he was breathing heavy or he was gonna run out of stem latter in the round, or blah blah blah. When he wins he won't get any respect from the bashers.

i'm by no means a Klitschko fan, i think the bros are overrated - in their primes they're good professionals, not future all time greats. When i watch them fight it's like something Soundtraveler said, " it looks like something is missing ", they're not complete enough fightters to be great. HOWEVER, danny williams is a mediocre hw and he isn't likely to be the one to "expose" V.K. As i've said before i'm not a Klitschko fan, but i think V.K. is more talented than danny williams. If williams fights a perfect, smart fight, pressuring big K from the opening bell and doesn't make any mistakes, he's got a chance at winning. Do i think danny williams will turn in a perfect performance like that in real life? probably not

I wasn't aware that Norman Stone worked with Joe Louis.
I wasn't aware that Tommy Brooks worked with a young Mike Tyson.

I swear if it wasnt for the ignorance of some of these people I wouldnt even come on here I need a laugh once in a while. Does anyone remember the interview Rahman gave after being Ko'd by Lennox Lewis? They asked him if that was the hardest he'd ever been hit when he said no they asked him when it was, two words "Corrie Sanders". Corrie hits harder than 90% of heavies out there fat or not. Since Lennox was so fat and out shape but could still handle Kirk Johnson, could Danny Williams have beat Lennox that night? HELL NO and to tell the truth I cant think of any other heavies out there right now that could have. Vitali did what no other fighter has done even to an out of shape Lennox, and that is beat him up. Yea he was knocked out but neither one of those fighter was beating him up leading to the knockout. Vitali aint the best but hes better than the rest. END OF STORY

It's a pity Ike went nuts. Would have liked to see how far he could have gone.

I agree about Ike. I would love to see him still fighting. Too bad he won't be up for perole till 2007!

I agree about Ike. I would love to see him still fighting. Too bad he won't be up for perole till 2007!

Its Dec 2007, so it may as well be 2008.

I swear if it wasnt for the ignorance of some of these people I wouldnt even come on here I need a laugh once in a while. Does anyone remember the interview Rahman gave after being Ko'd by Lennox Lewis? They asked him if that was the hardest he'd ever been hit when he said no they asked him when it was, two words "Corrie Sanders". Corrie hits harder than 90% of heavies out there fat or not. Since Lennox was so fat and out shape but could still handle Kirk Johnson, could Danny Williams have beat Lennox that night? HELL NO and to tell the truth I cant think of any other heavies out there right now that could have. Vitali did what no other fighter has done even to an out of shape Lennox, and that is beat him up. Yea he was knocked out but neither one of those fighter was beating him up leading to the knockout. Vitali aint the best but hes better than the rest. END OF STORY

Finally some common sense.

...Your last paragraph is so right on that it's hilarious. God forbid Williams comes in 2 ounces over his last weight or he will be called fat and out of shape. You right when you say that guys will denegrate Vitali no matter what. If he is nearly flawless it will be that he was breathing heavy or he was gonna run out of stem latter in the round, or blah blah blah. When he wins he won't get any respect from the bashers.

Please dont apply generalisms to everyone Ill give Vitali credit where its due, I just gotta support my man from south east london dudes (he comes form brixton bout 4 miles from me and I ive met danny couple of times, he really is a lovely bloke) and I think he can do it, see previous posts its not like Im saying he defo will do it its, he can do it and this is how I think he can do it.
If vitali puts on a good perfomrance and wins Ill give him the props he deserves. Hoep you will do the same for williams cos all I hear bout the tyson fight is IF MIKEY WASNT INJURED waaah waaah waahh.
Well he was he lost get over it.
**** its boxing man you get hurt, as ive explained Williams found a way to win against Potter with a dislciated shoulder whats that tell you, the guys got masses of heart more than tyson showed thats for sure, thats non debatable in my opinion. ;)
(And give williams some credit for a fantastic performance few gave him a hope in hell, I did and am so pleased for him.)

And unbelievably someone on here called him a bum? Kinell. :mad:

Vitali would get beaten by a 6'2-6'3 fighter with speed & sharp punches. If anyone can find one, let me know.

I swear if it wasnt for the ignorance of some of these people I wouldnt even come on here I need a laugh once in a while. Does anyone remember the interview Rahman gave after being Ko'd by Lennox Lewis? They asked him if that was the hardest he'd ever been hit when he said no they asked him when it was, two words "Corrie Sanders". Corrie hits harder than 90% of heavies out there fat or not. Since Lennox was so fat and out shape but could still handle Kirk Johnson, could Danny Williams have beat Lennox that night? HELL NO and to tell the truth I cant think of any other heavies out there right now that could have. Vitali did what no other fighter has done even to an out of shape Lennox, and that is beat him up. Yea he was knocked out but neither one of those fighter was beating him up leading to the knockout. Vitali aint the best but hes better than the rest. END OF STORY

beat him up yeah thats right it was lennox whose face looked like chopped liver :D

jeez it was CLOSE fight for crying out loud 4-2 on the scorecards after 6 is no beating either way . Strange how people warp the facts to suit their argument.

I do agree with you avbout sanders though. His fast hands made for a hard hitting heavy.

I still think Lennox took the fight lightly...

he took johnson lightly no doubt, it was too late to get in trim by the time johnson pulled out and Len faced losing millions as it was a lion promotion so he put vitali in.

so yes he took the fight but not vitali lightly I think, they were building up to meeting 6 months later.

not an excuse though, think this is what convinced Lenn to retire to be honest, he couldnt get up for the likes of Johnson and Vitali gave him the fright and fight of his life.

As for Rahman saying Sanders hit harder than Lewis....

99% of fighters will tell you a guy who DIDN'T KO them, hits harder than the guy who knocked him stiff.

Corrie Sanders NEVER hit Rahman the way lewis did. The punch Lewis KO'd him with was a mammoth blast.
I'll give Rahman the benefit of the doubt, & say he doesn't really know how hard he was hit.....because he was so badly rocked he didn't even feel it.

not to disrespect, but larry holmes is retired, holyfield should have retired and lewis, well any fight he'll pick the opponent against vitali. lewis didn't beat him properly so instead of having a rematch, he helps out sanders, now hes helping out williams. vitali has still never been down, even against sanders and lewis

vitali TKO 5-7

i fail to see what being retired has to do with picking a victor or opinion, when you retire do they give you a frontal lobotomy or something?

sorry i dont understand your point, its like they know nothing about boxing cos they hung their gloves up? :eek:

Vitali would get beaten by a 6'2-6'3 fighter with speed & sharp punches. If anyone can find one, let me know.

None currently exist.

As for Rahman saying Sanders hit harder than Lewis....

99% of fighters will tell you a guy who DIDN'T KO them, hits harder than the guy who knocked him stiff.

Corrie Sanders NEVER hit Rahman the way lewis did. The punch Lewis KO'd him with was a mammoth blast.
I'll give Rahman the benefit of the doubt, & say he doesn't really know how hard he was hit.....because he was so badly rocked he didn't even feel it.


from what i understand, rahman's comment of sanders hitting him the hardest was prior to his KO by lewis....

he took johnson lightly no doubt, it was too late to get in trim by the time johnson pulled out and Len faced losing millions as it was a lion promotion so he put vitali in.

so yes he took the fight but not vitali lightly I think, they were building up to meeting 6 months later.

not an excuse though, think this is what convinced Lenn to retire to be honest, he couldnt get up for the likes of Johnson and Vitali gave him the fright and fight of his life.


people forget that... there's no doubt that lewis's preparation, or lack there of, was due to him fighting KJ not VK.... KJ had just lost to ruiz and had no business being in the ring with lewis....

Danny Williams vs Tyson was a piss-poor fight. Somebody had to win, but that fight was a real stinker. Williams claim to fame is that he didn't go down in that first round, which shows he can take a punch, much like Sanders, but Vitali has seen that type of chin before.

I don't care much for Vitali, but I'm guessing he's going to sting Williams early, and if Williams decides to coverup, even for a moment, the giant will rip him to the body and step back to let Williams wiff the air with big misses. It will Vitali, with his game plan, versus Williams with his heart and punchers' chance.

Passing note: This win against Williams will not cement Vitali as the Champ. He needs to go get some belts.

Passing note: This win against Williams will not cement Vitali as the Champ. He needs to go get some belts.


K2 productions is in line to negotiate with the winneer of Byrd & MCline. I know Byrd is a DK fighter but he on his way out of his contract and is pissed w/King. Might happen if they both win their prespective matches. (which is what will happen most likely)

hello all,
nice to be here.
I would like to try to represent Klitschko fans worldwide by not being what most think their fans are.. obnoxious and dillusional :) I like to be both of those, just not with boxing. The first time I watched Klit, it was Wlad. I saw his opponent scared out of his mind from experiencing a punch of Wlads. Now that could have been an inexperienced boxer, but hey! there had to come a white heavyweight that could at least win a few bouts (besides Botha, Golata etc). Then we see him get knocked around by Sanders like he was a beginner. OUCH

then we see VK who uses much more resources than his younger bro. He seems to actually dodge punches with his awkward style. He also has that Russian mentality like his mind is a steel trap. I don't know if you see it in his eyes, but it's like he's way out in left field from dedication and desire.

when he fought Corrie Sanders, I have to admit, I was afraid. Golfing must give you a hell of a punch, that's for sure. I think that Lewis thought VK was just like WK, so they were gonna do away with him just the same. but it turns out VK is like Homer Simpson pre Roderick Tatum. He does have a chin. well... You have to to have never been knocked down. like even I (150 lbs) could knock down a heavyweight with a lucky punch if they were off balance (and drunk, drugged, tired, hands tied behind back etc).

I watched the Lewis fight in detail and what I noticed is that Lewis' glove strings seemed to be what cut VK's eye. coulda been the thumb, but I think that the material that strings are made of can cut skin easier and to me that's what appeared to have happened. BUT I do agree about the facial structure and those Russians do bleed.

I hope that the Klitschkos stay in boxing for a while, cause they are top class fellas. They are smart, courteous, never talk bad about their opponents, and they like to help the world wide community. I know it sounds like Oprah, but I'm tired of little punks walking around acting tough hurting and killing people because their role model's act brain washes them... LOL

ok, i know, I'm opinionated, but still... we know they don't deserve the lashing that the fans provoke :)

sorry i'm typing so much, I've been trying to get into the forum for a while now.

Byrd - Glad he gives props to Jesus, but he does talk a lot of smack and his best attribute is dodging, which can help you win, but doesn't guarantee it. A rematch between him and VK will settle things if it is possible. Also it seems like both CB and VK are saying the other is dodging them.. who knows...

Williams - seems like a good dude. I do think that his knock out over Tyson wasn't very convincing (meaning I didn't see any knock out punches in that flurry he landed) and I think that Tyson, when not winning, just falls apart like a drunken Jenga. Either way, DW might have a chance if he can deliver his power early instead of mixing with Dr. Ironfist.

Glad to be here, i'll shut up now.

Pno
:p

hello all,
nice to be here.
I would like to try to represent Klitschko fans worldwide by not being what most think their fans are.. obnoxious and dillusional :) I like to be both of those, just not with boxing. The first time I watched Klit, it was Wlad. I saw his opponent scared out of his mind from experiencing a punch of Wlads. Now that could have been an inexperienced boxer, but hey! there had to come a white heavyweight that could at least win a few bouts (besides Botha, Golata etc). Then we see him get knocked around by Sanders like he was a beginner. OUCH

then we see VK who uses much more resources than his younger bro. He seems to actually dodge punches with his awkward style. He also has that Russian mentality like his mind is a steel trap. I don't know if you see it in his eyes, but it's like he's way out in left field from dedication and desire.

when he fought Corrie Sanders, I have to admit, I was afraid. Golfing must give you a hell of a punch, that's for sure. I think that Lewis thought VK was just like WK, so they were gonna do away with him just the same. but it turns out VK is like Homer Simpson pre Roderick Tatum. He does have a chin. well... You have to to have never been knocked down. like even I (150 lbs) could knock down a heavyweight with a lucky punch if they were off balance (and drunk, drugged, tired, hands tied behind back etc).

I watched the Lewis fight in detail and what I noticed is that Lewis' glove strings seemed to be what cut VK's eye. coulda been the thumb, but I think that the material that strings are made of can cut skin easier and to me that's what appeared to have happened. BUT I do agree about the facial structure and those Russians do bleed.

I hope that the Klitschkos stay in boxing for a while, cause they are top class fellas. They are smart, courteous, never talk bad about their opponents, and they like to help the world wide community. I know it sounds like Oprah, but I'm tired of little punks walking around acting tough hurting and killing people because their role model's act brain washes them... LOL

ok, i know, I'm opinionated, but still... we know they don't deserve the lashing that the fans provoke :)

sorry i'm typing so much, I've been trying to get into the forum for a while now.

Byrd - Glad he gives props to Jesus, but he does talk a lot of smack and his best attribute is dodging, which can help you win, but doesn't guarantee it. A rematch between him and VK will settle things if it is possible. Also it seems like both CB and VK are saying the other is dodging them.. who knows...

Williams - seems like a good dude. I do think that his knock out over Tyson wasn't very convincing (meaning I didn't see any knock out punches in that flurry he landed) and I think that Tyson, when not winning, just falls apart like a drunken Jenga. Either way, DW might have a chance if he can deliver his power early instead of mixing with Dr. Ironfist.

Glad to be here, i'll shut up now.

Pno
:p


.....Welcome and that was a very good assesment!!

all heavy's have a chance to get knocked out. the good ones don't oratleast they come back strong. look at vitali, he has knocked out kirk johnson and corrie sanders in his last 2 fights. i think he was on his way to stopping lewis. vitali has a chin, he has power and he is hard to fight. he is legit. he can still lose, but he is legit. i think vitali ko's williams in about round 6 or 7. it will be a great fight though. it will be packed in the arena. germans, russians, ukrainians and brits. it will be awesome. plus all the other fans that will be there. it will be a great night and great fight.

Ok another few friendly questions if the last 6 rounds had went the same as the first and it ended at 8-4 on the scorecards is that a beating?If you win twice as many rounds as your opponent Id say thats a pretty good beating judges seem to think so also. I also notice that when people are talking bad about Klitschkos they talk about how easily they cut then on the subject of the Lewis loss talk about how bad Vitali got hurt because his face was tore up, if they cut so easily thats not really good assessment now is it? Kind of contradicts itself if you ask me.

Ok another few friendly questions if the last 6 rounds had went the same as the first and it ended at 8-4 on the scorecards is that a beating?If you win twice as many rounds as your opponent Id say thats a pretty good beating judges seem to think so also. I also notice that when people are talking bad about Klitschkos they talk about how easily they cut then on the subject of the Lewis loss talk about how bad Vitali got hurt because his face was tore up, if they cut so easily thats not really good assessment now is it? Kind of contradicts itself if you ask me.

Where is the contradiction? Klitschko's face got tore up, why? Because they cut easy, it's called bone structure, of course if a Klitschko fan could admit even after 2 years that their fighter lost, I, will be surprised, no, shocked would be a better word - but so far that hasn't happened and every Klitschko fan is still in denial and STILL talking about "but he was ahead on the scorecards" but, but, but, but, ----- he LOST face it! Klitschko moved on, I just wish their fans would do the same....

Where is the contradiction? Klitschko's face got tore up, why? Because they cut easy, it's called bone structure, of course if a Klitschko fan could admit even after 2 years that their fighter lost, I, will be surprised, no, shocked would be a better word - but so far that hasn't happened and every Klitschko fan is still in denial and STILL talking about "but he was ahead on the scorecards" but, but, but, but, ----- he LOST face it! Klitschko moved on, I just wish their fans would do the same....

Im a klitschko fan.

Wlad punches himself out and got beaten by Purity.
Wlad got knocked silly by Sanders.
And he lost to Brewster.

Vit gave upp against Byrd, yes he lost.
This i all admitt.

But against Lewis he dident realy lose, acording to the queensberry rules if the bout is stopped due to damaged cause by illegal action such as edge of glove.
It is a technical draw if it is stopped in 1-4 round, and after that its sopossed too go too the scorecards like the wlad vs Williamson , in other words Vit Won.

And this is just how corrupt boxing has become.

Im a klitschko fan.

Wlad punches himself out and got beaten by Purity.
Wlad got knocked silly by Sanders.
And he lost to Brewster.

Vit gave upp against Byrd, yes he lost.
This i all admitt.

But against Lewis he dident realy lose, acording to the queensberry rules if the bout is stopped due to damaged cause by illegal action such as edge of glove.
It is a technical draw if it is stopped in 1-4 round, and after that its sopossed too go too the scorecards like the wlad vs Williamson , in other words Vit Won.

And this is just how corrupt boxing has become.

Oh man, you almost surprised me, almost had me shocked, then - you had to go and blow it - with that illegal action B.S.!

In order for there to be an "illegal action" it would have to be determined by the referee, the officials at ringside or by the sanctioning body that such an illegal action occured - which DID NOT HAPPEN -therefore no "illegal action" - yet another Klit fan in denial....

Oh man, you almost surprised me, almost had me shocked, then - you had to go and blow it - with that illegal action B.S.!

In order for there to be an "illegal action" it would have to be determined by the referee, the officials at ringside or by the sanctioning body that such an illegal action occured - which DID NOT HAPPEN -therefore no "illegal action" - yet another Klit fan in denial....

I got it on tape it happened, your the one in denial, in denial of LL losing and that boxing in fact is a dirty buisness, but why not act as if it newer happend, rules are bs arent they.

I got it on tape it happened, your the one in denial, in denial of LL losing and that boxing in fact is a dirty buisness, but why not act as if it newer happend, rules are bs arent they.

Fighting is a dirty biz, you tend to have a guy punch you in the face repeatedly - like Lennox did to Klitschko - and to think they actualy get to do it without going to jail. :eek:

I am denying Klitschko won the fight for one very good reason - when you look up the decision in the record book he has a "L" not a "W" on his record for the fight.... :rolleyes:

Fighting is a dirty biz, you tend to have a guy punch you in the face repeatedly - like Lennox did to Klitschko - and to think they actualy get to do it without going to jail. :eek:

I am denying Klitschko won the fight for one very good reason - when you look up the decision in the record book he has a "L" not a "W" on his record for the fight.... :rolleyes:

Well okay this is newer going to an end, you dident see the edgeglove punch. Okay.

Yes officialy LL won, and thats the whole point.

Im stil dreaming of a rematch.

I remember that night. I remember that I was starting to ***** about the decision. But then they answered my question. They said something along the lines of "after the 4th round, if an incidental contact causes the bout to be stopped it goes to the scorecards UNLESS It is a championship bout. Then I couldn't ***** any longer, well I could, just not about that.

as far as the W or the L in your column, I don't even care about that anymore as you see fights like Brewster vs. Meehan and so many others that you can't even count.. then you see the dark shadowed figure with huge hair lingering in the back ground and your questions are answered. for Mr. King has a big impact on the "W" or the "L" in the divisions he so chooses to.

I'll admit that Wlad has definitely gotten his ass kicked a few times. I hope he can get a metal plate in his chin or something and achieve his dreams.... shoot, everyone should achieve their dreams :)

Vitali on the other hand hasn't had his ass kicked yet from what I know... I could be wrong. It seems like paper rock scissors in boxing. E who whoops up on a,b,c looses to d. D looses to a, but beats b,c,e. you know what I mean. it's almost like they have a weakness for a style or a certain fighter. I haven't seen that yet with VK. but he has lost 2 fights due to injury.

Pno

I admit he lost if you would actually read instead of just typing biased bull****. Im not starting the same arguments as you're used to so dont use the same ready-made comebacks you usually do. MY POINT IS: If they get cut so easily just beacuse his face was cut up does not mean he actually got beat up that bad end of story he lost big whoop it doesnt matter he's champ now so who cares. Im not even that big of a fan I will call out ther overraters just as fast as an underrater and all the ignorant sonofa*****es in the process.

Idont think Williams is going to Ko Vitali

Very impressive posting Pno, great job, I have enjoyed reading your stuff. I love it here, and I'm sure you will too...


ReppinDubK, - when you say something like:

"MY POINT IS: If they get cut so easily just beacuse his face was cut up does not mean he actually got beat up that bad end of story "

exactly what are you trying to say? I am not quite sure, but my guess is that you are trying to say - "just because he got cut doesn't mean he got his butt kicked" - I agree with that, I have never said Klitschko didn't hold his own in that fight, I merely said he lost - and he did - get over it - but please don't tell to people "actually read" if you don't "actually" type something that is clear to begin with.

One more thing, when you misspell simple words yourself, it may be in your best interest not to throw out statements like "I'll call out" all the "ignorant sonofa*****es" as you so eloquently stated in YOUR POST, I suggest YOU reread your posts yourself, young man...

Its Dec 2007, so it may as well be 2008.


Yeah he might as well forget about it!!! By then he will have to ride one of them carts to the ring that fat asses at the grocery store use to shop in. :D

I remember that night. I remember that I was starting to ***** about the decision. But then they answered my question. They said something along the lines of "after the 4th round, if an incidental contact causes the bout to be stopped it goes to the scorecards UNLESS It is a championship bout. Then I couldn't ***** any longer, well I could, just not about that.

as far as the W or the L in your column, I don't even care about that anymore as you see fights like Brewster vs. Meehan and so many others that you can't even count.. then you see the dark shadowed figure with huge hair lingering in the back ground and your questions are answered. for Mr. King has a big impact on the "W" or the "L" in the divisions he so chooses to.

I'll admit that Wlad has definitely gotten his ass kicked a few times. I hope he can get a metal plate in his chin or something and achieve his dreams.... shoot, everyone should achieve their dreams :)

Vitali on the other hand hasn't had his ass kicked yet from what I know... I could be wrong. It seems like paper rock scissors in boxing. E who whoops up on a,b,c looses to d. D looses to a, but beats b,c,e. you know what I mean. it's almost like they have a weakness for a style or a certain fighter. I haven't seen that yet with VK. but he has lost 2 fights due to injury.

Pno

Ah its okay to win by cheating if it a championship bout, sorry dident know that.

Some good points, but Williams is still gonna win by monster KO...:-)

Some good points, but Williams is still gonna win by monster KO...:-)

Yeah right :)

Some good points, but Williams is still gonna win by monster KO...:-)



....care to make a wager on that??

Vitali K. isn't a world beater, but he will crush that English chubber Williams.

No matter what you say, I still believe Vitali would kick William's ass come fight time.

No matter what you say, I still believe Vitali would kick William's ass come fight time.

Well guess you chumps are gonna look like dumb fuks on the night when your king gets beat and beat bad..........:-)

Well guess you chumps are gonna look like dumb fuks on the night when your king gets beat and beat bad..........:-)

Its going to be really interesting to see how much you wager on Williams.

Its going to be really interesting to see how much you wager on Williams.


...He isn't gonna wager one cent because he knows that he himself doesn't even believe what he is saying. It's all out of hate for Vit. He knows Williams is gonna get whacked. :)

I have a sneaky feeling for Williams. Straight after the Tyson fight he said he was not happy with his defence in the first couple of rounds, and if he can improve on that he has a chance.

Vitali may very well be exposed - but I can't see Danny Williams being the guy to do it.

Vitali would kick William's ass

Vitaly has exposed his great boxing and worrior skills.

I agree. ;)

which leads me to my thought...

"exposed"...
To make known (something discreditable).
To reveal the guilt or wrongdoing of: expose a criminal.

exposed... does this mean he is really bad at something or is wrong in his possesion of the championship belt?

I have to say that Wladamir was exposed... not because he kills puppies or evades taxes or fixes fights / controls the heavyweight division, but because he doesn't know how to handle intense pressure, all in his face, throwing blows instead of trading shots like orthodox boxing. We saw this with Corey Sanders... Lenox had it in mind when he assisted Corey (same boxing stable), and he was right! Actually, I'd say that Lenox is smart (possibly ****y / conceited too, but that happens to most of us who are at least half smart). He used his smarts in boxing to find the weakness, EXPOSE the lack of talent or the dent in the armor. He could NOT do it with Vitali, even with 2 tries... once himself and once through Corey Sanders.

Several points that Klit Haters are probably red with anger from that I must touch on.

-Sanders too old and used up to expose VK...
well I'd disagree in saying that Sanders was the perfect person to execute Lewis' plan of attack against VK. a quick fight, in your face, power punches, cause the opponent to loose their berrings and land the KO punch. Sanders is Southpaw, which can confuse opponents. Sanders was quick and all over VK in the early rounds. I feel that Sanders would have lasted much longer had he not employed Lewis' tactics early on. Lewis' vision (or at least what I think it was) used up Sanders trying to prove that the Klistchkos couldn't take what they dished out. It worked against Wlad for the time being, but not against Vitali (for the time being).

-easily cut Klits.
this seems to be dead on from what we know. the only problem with that is this: what can I use to cut them? a lead pipe? a monkey wrench? a Trapper Keeper? NO I can use my boxing glove.. and how can I do that? punch my opponent. Isn't that what I would plan on doing anyways? back to square one. If punching VK would expose him, then he would've been exposed.

So I guess VK has already been exposed. He can get hurt, and thats the ONLY proven way to beat him so far. So for Chris Byrd, I'd recomend him trying to convince VK to over-work himself to try and up the chances of victory from an injury. but WAIT!! will it go to the scorecards if both fighters are heavyweight champs? LOL

I'm not saying who will win or loose, I just don't know about this whole "exposing" bit

:)

Pno

one more thing...
LOL

it seems that the thing being discussed concerning "exposing" the Klits is their endurance.

This might be true. I think we need to expect most opponents of the Klits to try and stick it out for the long haul. This seems to be the consensus as we know it.

the only problem is then these opponents might "expose" themselves like the last fight with Wlad with the scorecards. OR what if the Klits start using twice as many body blows causing the opponent waiting for round 6 to loose 60% of his power by then?

If they (Klits) really are smart and earned their Doctorates, then maybe they are trying to fool their opponents into a certain style of fight, having them expect it to be successful. Then they could use their own counter strategy and secure a win. It might sound funny, but isn't that a big part of wartime strategy? assuming / predicting / controlling the enemies thoughts and strategies?

Pno

;)

why are we still talking about heavy's there all garbage

I'm not Russian or anything, so I like Vitali simply because he's a good fighter. People always talk about how Vitali will be exposed, but by who? You tell me who's gonna do this exposing that I've been hearing about? Hasim Rahman, John Ruiz? Get the f**k out of here. The thing is Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali could expose him, and when they sign to fight "Dr. Iron Fist", you tell me.

totally from scratch

totally from scratch
How about you Plex, you must know. Who's gonna expose Vitali? Go ask somebody for me. This is bull****. How about Golata? Is he gonna expose Vitali?

Sorry I didnt explain it in laymens terms for you sir, I assumed it would be pretty self-explanatory for anyone with a high school diploma. Also, to mistype is different than to misspell. Im sorry I do not have all day to sit on the computer, to check for grammatical errors, which is also the reason it took me a while to respond to your post.

Sorry I didnt explain it in laymens terms for you sir, I assumed it would be pretty self-explanatory for anyone with a high school diploma. Also, to mistype is different than to misspell. Im sorry I do not have all day to sit on the computer, to check for grammatical errors, which is also the reason it took me a while to respond to your post.

Is that the best you can do? Listen, your post was put together like someone WITHOUT a high school diploma wrote it. I however had graduated college before you were walking, don't make me put you in time out.... :eek:

LOL

I'm not Russian or anything, so I like Vitali simply because he's a good fighter. People always talk about how Vitali will be exposed, but by who? You tell me who's gonna do this exposing that I've been hearing about? Hasim Rahman, John Ruiz? Get the f**k out of here. The thing is Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali could expose him, and when they sign to fight "Dr. Iron Fist", you tell me.

I do like your style my man, nice and fiesty, as for current fighters in the division, who knows who will step up, I won't be shocked when it happens, but, I can tell you this for certain - it will take 5 years after that for a Klitschko fan to admit he got KO'd!!! :p :D :p

audley audley audley.... :D

[QUOTE=Soundtraveler]I do like your style my man, nice and fiesty, as for current fighters in the division, who knows who will step up, I won't be shocked when it happens, but, I can tell you this for certain - it will take 5 years after that for a Klitschko fan to admit he got KO'd!!! :p :D :p[/QUO

Whats your problem, i admit wlad has been knocked 3times.

I do like your style my man, nice and fiesty, as for current fighters in the division, who knows who will step up, I won't be shocked when it happens, but, I can tell you this for certain - it will take 5 years after that for a Klitschko fan to admit he got KO'd!!! :p :D :p
Thanks, I'm just sick and tired of this little war between Klitschko extremists and Klitschko haters. 20 years from now, if Klitschko goes undefeated from here on out, people will be like "Oh yeah, he would've lost to Larry Holmes. I just can't prove that."

I must offer congratulations here - we've had 10 pages of discussion about Vitali-Williams and no one has yet made a predictable mention of Samil Sam. Okay, the talk has mainly been of Vitali, but even so it's usually what follows to put down Danny on other boxing forums...


That's what worries me actually. I've not had problems with Danny's boxing skills, just his shaky psychological state. He might come into the ring a total mess and get knocked out within a minute.

But at 5-1 I've still stuck £25 on it for kicks. One thing I've noticed about Danny in the past is that his stamina is very good - I've seen him fresh on a twelfth round. Admittedly, this would be against a lower standard of competition, but even so...

Danny seemed to hold his own against Tyson. He did get quite shaken and had it not been for his ability to hold Tyson, a few more shots could have ended that bout. But he made it past that and picked Tyson apart. Tyson ran out of steam and emotional capital, crumbling to the mat.

Yeah, what ever happened to Audley Harrison? Is he still around?

and yeah, I'm a big Klit fan... Wladamir Klitschko got KNOCKED THE F&*$ OUT hard dude!!! I haven't seen Vitali get that beat, but wilder things have happened. No Denial here... so the realization that we are all individual should be setting in by now.

:)

two great posts abovein my opinion, top stuff!

audley has injured his hand, due to the BBC pullin gout of boxing he is going statseide to box on the undercards, you will be seeing a lot more of him in the new year.

hope that helps.

i cant see williams beating VK.... i dont think any of the current guys(ruiz, byrd, toney, etc)can beat VK... it's gonna take an up and comer, maybe harrison or samuel peter or someone new....