"Pure excitement machine Michael Katsidis is fighting little known Angel Hugo Ramirez on Jan 31 in the Phillipines. This seems like a confidence builder for Michael after coming off 2 losses."

Looking forward to seeing him get back into the ring, I don't really care who he is fighting. Hopefully he has learned some defence for this fight :boxing:

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Quite a few people thought he beat Earl.

I think you meant to put this one up? But yeah I thought he did, although i'm pretty biased.

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I think you meant to put this one up? But yeah I thought he did, although i'm pretty biased.

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No he didn't. He put up the vid of the guy that Kats is fighting next.

they fought both the same guy?..i think the 1st video shows a massacre on Earl, if thats the guy Katsidis is gonna fight, it may be a tough one to be honest

Now I understand, yeah that guy looks pretty aggressive, although that plays into kat's hands somewhat.

Good luck to Mick, hopefully this fight is a little easier for him. He deserves not to go through hell for once.

Good luck to Mick, hopefully this fight is a little easier for him. He deserves not to go through hell for once.

A jab would make it easier for him and some decent corner advice.

A jab would make it easier for him and some decent corner advice.

Neither seem to be incredibly forthcoming though unfortunately. That advice in the Diaz fight was just ridiculous. "Yeah, Mick, keep it up mate, beaauuutiful". "Looking great Mick, just like we worked on in the gym, keep blocking those shots with your face".

It was worse that one of the judges managed to confuse the names of the fighters as it almost justified what he had been saying.

Neither seem to be incredibly forthcoming though unfortunately. That advice in the Diaz fight was just ridiculous. "Yeah, Mick, keep it up mate, beaauuutiful". "Looking great Mick, just like we worked on in the gym, keep blocking those shots with your face".

It was worse that one of the judges managed to confuse the names of the fighters as it almost justified what he had been saying.

LOL. That's funny I was saying the same thing to someone yesterday.

Neither seem to be incredibly forthcoming though unfortunately. That advice in the Diaz fight was just ridiculous. "Yeah, Mick, keep it up mate, beaauuutiful". "Looking great Mick, just like we worked on in the gym, keep blocking those shots with your face".

It was worse that one of the judges managed to confuse the names of the fighters as it almost justified what he had been saying.


pretty bad advice

was that exactly what he said to katsidis?

Dude he was joking about the "blocking the shots with your face".

Katsidis needs to win, so i hope he brings his A Game and we see a KO

if this guy is aggressive kats will stop him or grab a points win

but if this guy is tough with a good chin (which i assume he will be) and unless kats has suddenly learned to move his head or parry punches it will be an unneccessarily long and drawn out process for kats with both busting each other up and landing good shots until kats physical strength and power punching wears this guy down and he does enough to win, either by stoppage or a points win

look to the amonsot fight, kats obviously the better fighter but he makes it scrappy and painful and ends up with a busted eye, even though he got the win

if this guy is aggressive kats will stop him or grab a points win

but if this guy is tough with a good chin (which i assume he will be) and unless kats has suddenly learned to move his head or parry punches it will be an unneccessarily long and drawn out process for kats with both busting each other up and landing good shots until kats physical strength and power punching wears this guy down and he does enough to win, either by stoppage or a points win

look to the amonsot fight, kats obviously the better fighter but he makes it scrappy and painful and ends up with a busted eye, even though he got the win

I'm not sure mate, personally I think Katsidis had to make it that kind of a fight to beat Amonsot as that was where he had the advantage - he was stronger than Amonsot and could take more punishment.

Between Kat's early and mid-late assaults, the fight was actually technical in parts and when that was the case I recall Amonsot being pretty effective. If Katsidis had have boxed the entire fight like that I would not have liked his chances.

I'm not sure mate, personally I think Katsidis had to make it that kind of a fight to beat Amonsot as that was where he had the advantage - he was stronger than Amonsot and could take more punishment.

Between Kat's early and mid-late assaults, the fight was actually technical in parts and when that was the case I recall Amonsot being pretty effective. If Katsidis had have boxed the entire fight like that I would not have liked his chances.

you're probably right now come to think of it, amonsot was a southpaw and kats probably did the right thing by taking it to him

but the point i was making was that micheal should stop getting drawn into brawls everytime he fights and improve his skillset instead, it will prolong his career and he can still be exciting and aggressive while having defensive skills, look at guys like duran, morales, barrera, JMM and the new pacquiao...... all exciting as hell, and they're all skilled and offensive but they do things like move their heads and feet to get into an offensive position, execute counter attacks, and avoid blindly charging in- and they are still considered excitement machines and we all like watching them

you're probably right now come to think of it, amonsot was a southpaw and kats probably did the right thing by taking it to him

but the point i was making was that micheal should stop getting drawn into brawls everytime he fights and improve his skillset instead, it will prolong his career and he can still be exciting and aggressive while having defensive skills, look at guys like duran, morales, barrera, JMM and the new pacquiao...... all exciting as hell, and they're all skilled and offensive but they do things like move their heads and feet to get into an offensive position, execute counter attacks, and avoid blindly charging in- and they are still considered excitement machines and we all like watching them

Yeah I guess it comes down to whether or not he is able to develop those skills. If he can't then he pretty much is going to be forced to rely on his strength and toughness against the high calibre guys.

The Earl fight presents a good example of what you are talking about I think. No doubt Katsidis is/was a superior fighter to Earl, yet Mick was happy to get into an absolutely vicious brawl with him when it probably wasn't a necessity. Now against the likes of Casamayor and Amonsot I feel that he had no choice - it was get in a brutal war and take a lot to give a lot or lose a decision. I mean, he tried to fight more of a technical fight against Diaz and look at what happened.

I have no idea about the guy that he is fighting but I am going to assume Kat should have the beating of him without needing to get into a war. You are right, if every fight is going to be like his last few his longevity isn't going to be great. It would be good to see him enhance some other aspects of his game such as developing a consistent and effective jab and incorporating some head movement and more refined defensive skills but, as has been well documented on here, we shouldn't hold our breath for that to happen.

Yeah I guess it comes down to whether or not he is able to develop those skills. If he can't then he pretty much is going to be forced to rely on his strength and toughness against the high calibre guys.

The Earl fight presents a good example of what you are talking about I think. No doubt Katsidis is/was a superior fighter to Earl, yet Mick was happy to get into an absolutely vicious brawl with him when it probably wasn't a necessity. Now against the likes of Casamayor and Amonsot I feel that he had no choice - it was get in a brutal war and take a lot to give a lot or lose a decision. I mean, he tried to fight more of a technical fight against Diaz and look at what happened.

I have no idea about the guy that he is fighting but I am going to assume Kat should have the beating of him without needing to get into a war. You are right, if every fight is going to be like his last few his longevity isn't going to be great. It would be good to see him enhance some other aspects of his game such as developing a consistent and effective jab and incorporating some head movement and more refined defensive skills but, as has been well documented on here, we shouldn't hold our breath for that to happen.

It's funny because Lennox Lewis was saying the same thing on the commentary to the Cassamayor fight. Shame they didn't listen to it.

It's funny because Lennox Lewis was saying the same thing on the commentary to the Cassamayor fight. Shame they didn't listen to it.

Yeah, it is hardly rocket science though is it?

I am sure both Katsidis and those around him are aware of his technical and defensive limitations and how much they can (and are) hurting him in the ring. What it comes down to it that he cannot, or will not, attempt to rectify it. Who knows his pitiful effort at "boxing" with Diaz in the first 2/3 of his most recent fight might have been an attempt at it.

Basically I think it comes down to his trainer. Noone really knows who the guy is and he doesn't appear to have done anything prior to Kat so I suspect that he just doesn't have the necessary tools or experience to implement what Kat needs to have in his arsenal. However, as you have stated previously, he seems very loyal to his trainer so I don't think we should be expecting any drastic changes anytime soon.

If you watch the Amonsot fight, the first KD was a perfect counter-shot. Watch the way he circles and lures Amonsot in and you'll see a guy who thinks more than he's given credit for.

Katsidis is training in Thailand where (I believe) he owns property. Nice view off the balcony to the sea. The dude they've picked is tough but lacks KO power. It's a fight where he can try new things with less pressure and less chance of getting badly hurt. It should be entertaining while it lasts.

If you watch the Amonsot fight, the first KD was a perfect counter-shot. Watch the way he circles and lures Amonsot in and you'll see a guy who thinks more than he's given credit for.

Katsidis is training in Thailand where (I believe) he owns property. Nice view off the balcony to the sea. The dude they've picked is tough but lacks KO power. It's a fight where he can try new things with less pressure and less chance of getting badly hurt. It should be entertaining while it lasts.

Don't get me wrong. I really like Katsidis, but I have to disagree with that statement.

Especially after his last two fights.

If you watch the Amonsot fight, the first KD was a perfect counter-shot. Watch the way he circles and lures Amonsot in and you'll see a guy who thinks more than he's given credit for.

Katsidis is training in Thailand where (I believe) he owns property. Nice view off the balcony to the sea. The dude they've picked is tough but lacks KO power. It's a fight where he can try new things with less pressure and less chance of getting badly hurt. It should be entertaining while it lasts.

I'm not going to act like an expert on the Amonsot fight, I have only seen it twice and my recollection isn't flawless. All I can say is that I recall thinking, when the fight got a little tactical, that it wasn't working out too well for Katsidis.

He may be thinking but given what I have seen of him over the last 18 months or so he isn't thinking a hell of a lot about head movement or his defense. Some more thought power directed at those areas might help him a little.

I'm not going to act like an expert on the Amonsot fight, I have only seen it twice and my recollection isn't flawless. All I can say is that I recall thinking, when the fight got a little tactical, that it wasn't working out too well for Katsidis.

He may be thinking but given what I have seen of him over the last 18 months or so he isn't thinking a hell of a lot about head movement or his defense. Some more thought power directed at those areas might help him a little.

I wouldn't worry about it. Anyone stating that Katsidis is a thinker inside the ring is a little out of touch with katsidis's style.

I wouldn't worry about it. Anyone stating that Katsidis is a thinker inside the ring is a little out of touch with katsidis's style.

Absolute crap. You underestimate him. A lot of his success has come from pure fighting instinct - stuff you can't teach - and not the crappy corner advice.

Absolute crap. You underestimate him. A lot of his success has come from pure fighting instinct - stuff you can't teach - and not the crappy corner advice.

to be honest mate katsidis hasnt had a lot of success on the world stage

the only two elite guys he has fought have knocked him out and outboxed him respectively

he has good instincts yes, aggression and so forth but he is definitely not a thinker in the ring, he is a brawler with little defence....

i really like him but thats the truth

Yeah I guess it comes down to whether or not he is able to develop those skills. If he can't then he pretty much is going to be forced to rely on his strength and toughness against the high calibre guys.

The Earl fight presents a good example of what you are talking about I think. No doubt Katsidis is/was a superior fighter to Earl, yet Mick was happy to get into an absolutely vicious brawl with him when it probably wasn't a necessity. Now against the likes of Casamayor and Amonsot I feel that he had no choice - it was get in a brutal war and take a lot to give a lot or lose a decision. I mean, he tried to fight more of a technical fight against Diaz and look at what happened.

I have no idea about the guy that he is fighting but I am going to assume Kat should have the beating of him without needing to get into a war. You are right, if every fight is going to be like his last few his longevity isn't going to be great. It would be good to see him enhance some other aspects of his game such as developing a consistent and effective jab and incorporating some head movement and more refined defensive skills but, as has been well documented on here, we shouldn't hold our breath for that to happen.

everything you said was pretty spot on, yeah i mean i dont expect him to develop the skills of a JMM or morales etc but like you said incorporating some basic bobbing and weaving, parrying, jabbign etc would work wonders for him

especially that jab of his, katsidis has great natural power and if he worked on it enough he could develop a stinging and accurate power jab that could win him fights- a bit like sonny listons jab, used to set up other shots and keep the other guy wary of your power

Absolute crap. You underestimate him. A lot of his success has come from pure fighting instinct - stuff you can't teach - and not the crappy corner advice.

I don't underestimate him at all. I'm only going by what we've all seen. Katsidis had a lot of trouble with Czar Amonsot, he made that fight which should have been a easy fight, a very hard fight for himself, hardly an indication he's a smart fighter.

Look I like Michael a lot, but he's not a thinker. He's a come forward type of guy.

On what basis is Michael a thinker in Ring? Have you seen his last 3 fights?

Next thing you'll be saying is that Fenech was thinker as well.

to be honest mate katsidis hasnt had a lot of success on the world stage

the only two elite guys he has fought have knocked him out and outboxed him respectively

he has good instincts yes, aggression and so forth but he is definitely not a thinker in the ring, he is a brawler with little defence....

i really like him but thats the truth

Good Post Kostya.
This is true, the main reason Katsidis is well know is that HBO like his Blood and guts style and are happy to have him fight. HBO always like the Blood and guts fighters like Gatti etc. Because they are more crowd pleasing.