I m not sure if he can do it again but i really hope he beats Lesnar. I hated the fact that Brock got a title shot to start with and hated it even more when he beat a old Couture for the actual belt. It feels like the UFC has this 'plastic' undeserving champion with no skills and the only advantage he has over anyone is his size. It makes me a little sick and i want Mir to give Brock another lesson....I m really pulling for Frank and hope he trains his ass off cos hes gonna need at the stamina he can get!!

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im kinda rooting for him as well he plays the villian always saying he wants to break a opponents arm

I m not sure if he can do it again but i really hope he beats Lesnar. I hated the fact that Brock got a title shot to start with and hated it even more when he beat a old Couture for the actual belt. It feels like the UFC has this 'plastic' undeserving champion with no skills and the only advantage he has over anyone is his size. It makes me a little sick and i want Mir to give Brock another lesson....I m really pulling for Frank and hope he trains his ass off cos hes gonna need at the stamina he can get!!

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"Plastic?" What a joke. Seriously do you even watch mma? I won't neg rep you cause I disagree as some do on here but honestly bro you need to watch a little bit more. If Brock only beat Randy cause he was bigger why didn't Tim Sylvia or GG beat Randy? Brock has improved ten fold since the fight with Mir and I don't see anyway Mir can beat him. Brock's stand up is above average and better then Mir. The clinch I'd give to Brock slightly. Ground and pound, Brock. JJ- Mir. Again his only advantage but Brock's improvement has gone to the point of I really don't think he'll allow himself into a position like the first fight. That was just his greeness. I think both fighter's have improved since their fight but Brock just alot more. I see Brock standing with Mir until Mir decides he's taken enough punishment or get dropped then Brock holding dominant position on the ground ala HH and pretty much G n P to an easy victory. People take it out on Brock cause the UFC gave him a quick title shot. Brock came out himself and said he doesn't even view himself as the champion and views Mir/Big Nog winner as such. Brock is a HUGE draw for the UFC. He does hold physical advantages size wise but his skill and dedication to training is obvious. He is not Hobo Slice.

Hey buddy, the reason Brock Lesnar won against Randy Couture is because Randy Couture is over the hill coming off of a year of inactivity. I think 90% of the LHW Division could have done what Lesnar did with ease.

I see Mir as the better technical striker, with the better submissions and honestly, the better chin. Lesnar has wrestling, but as we've seen before, wrestling is nullified by good submissions.

Hey buddy, the reason Brock Lesnar won against Randy Couture is because Randy Couture is over the hill coming off of a year of inactivity. I think 90% of the LHW Division could have done what Lesnar did with ease.

I see Mir as the better technical striker, with the better submissions and honestly, the better chin. Lesnar has wrestling, but as we've seen before, wrestling is nullified by good submissions.

Thank you! My thoughts exactly! Lesnar is still in wrestling mode, he gets on top and doesnt know what to do, he throws hammer fists to try and stay active and do some damage but thats his only plan! He ll get caught again!

Hey buddy, the reason Brock Lesnar won against Randy Couture is because Randy Couture is over the hill coming off of a year of inactivity. I think 90% of the LHW Division could have done what Lesnar did with ease.

I see Mir as the better technical striker, with the better submissions and honestly, the better chin. Lesnar has wrestling, but as we've seen before, wrestling is nullified by good submissions.

Better chin?

As shown by being owned by Vera and Pe de pano?

The better chin? I couldn't tell when a green ass Brock dropped him. That being said I believe you're taking too much away from Randy. Like I said when Randy beats a heavyweight and wins the belt he's amazing and this great competitor but when someone beats Randy no credit is giving. O.k. if that is the case then Mir beat a Big Nog who looked slugish as if he was under water and has taken one too many blows to the head.

oppinions change quick now a days, alot of people liked randy couture b4 his fight with brock and after brock tko'd him he's just an old washed up man, i see the same thing happening with Nog now on other forums, calling him washed up and on the decline after losing 2 mir.
in a rematch i give Mir no chance against Lesnar, 1st round TKO for Brock an he'll b the Undisputed UFC HW Champ.
i wonder if they'll have Couture vs Nog on the same card? winner of that fight can fight Gonzaga if he beats Cain/Carwin forgot which he was fighting.

The better chin? I couldn't tell when a green ass Brock dropped him. That being said I believe you're taking too much away from Randy. Like I said when Randy beats a heavyweight and wins the belt he's amazing and this great competitor but when someone beats Randy no credit is giving. O.k. if that is the case then Mir beat a Big Nog who looked slugish as if he was under water and has taken one too many blows to the head.

Here goes the assumptions, right? I like Randy for his personality and drive, but not his fighting. The guy hasn't had a significant win since Vitor Belfort. Sure he came back and beat Tim Sylvia, but if we're going by that, Nogueira should be the ultimate test since he actually stopped Silvia. Oh, and Fabricio Werdum should be in line for the next title shot because he beat Gonzaga in a better fashion than Couture.

See how that kind of logic doesn't work? This is MMA, people win and lose, and Brock Lesnar has not had a significant win yet in his career. When he beats a tough wrestler with heavy hands, I will gladly eat my words.

Here goes the assumptions, right? I like Randy for his personality and drive, but not his fighting. The guy hasn't had a significant win since Vitor Belfort. Sure he came back and beat Tim Sylvia, but if we're going by that, Nogueira should be the ultimate test since he actually stopped Silvia. Oh, and Fabricio Werdum should be in line for the next title shot because he beat Gonzaga in a better fashion than Couture.

See how that kind of logic doesn't work? This is MMA, people win and lose, and Brock Lesnar has not had a significant win yet in his career. When he beats a tough wrestler with heavy hands, I will gladly eat my words.

I wasn't addressing you personally far as the Couture comments just kind of reacting to the general consensus of the Brock haters. I can't see a win over Randy convincing at that as not being a significant win. Also, I know he doesn't have the best record but Heath Herring was coming off of a win over Cheick Kongo AND a fight against Big Nog in which he came damn close to finishing Nog. Now I know he's not a top contender but I feel like just the competition a guy like HH has faced Brock beating him was a good win too. Also if you look at Nog's stoppage of Sylvia, Tim pretty much dominated that entire fight but got caught in a sub.

I will root for Mir

I wasn't addressing you personally far as the Couture comments just kind of reacting to the general consensus of the Brock haters. I can't see a win over Randy convincing at that as not being a significant win. Also, I know he doesn't have the best record but Heath Herring was coming off of a win over Cheick Kongo AND a fight against Big Nog in which he came damn close to finishing Nog. Now I know he's not a top contender but I feel like just the competition a guy like HH has faced Brock beating him was a good win too. Also if you look at Nog's stoppage of Sylvia, Tim pretty much dominated that entire fight but got caught in a sub.

Brock Lesnar may have beaten Herring, which would have been significant if it came in a different fashion. Lesnar sat on top of him for FIFTEEN minutes and was INCAPABLE of finishing Herring, whether it be via Submission or Strikes. Again, not significant.

As for Nogueira, that's how he fights. Defensive and enduring until you either gas or make a mistake.

plastic undeserving champion???

his ncaa wrestling record is 106-5

i'd say he knows both how to train and to control people on the ground as proved in his heath herring fight..

he's now a purple belt in jiujitsu...

and he is clearly faster and stronger than any heavyweight...

hate to break it to MMA-fans... but natural ability has A LOT to do with it

according to move bricks you have to knock someone out for it to be a good victory... sorry thats inaccurate... go tell floyd mayweather that he isnt the greatest because he doesnt knock out everyone he fights...

are you aware that these matches are judges and you are awarded points for taking down and taking control of your opponent?



(( i'm not pretending that i'm not a fan of lesnar either... i am... but this is sheer HATE))

it will defiantly be an uphill battle but if Mir comes in excellent shape i give him a very solid chance

plastic undeserving champion???

his ncaa wrestling record is 106-5

i'd say he knows both how to train and to control people on the ground as proved in his heath herring fight..

he's now a purple belt in jiujitsu...

and he is clearly faster and stronger than any heavyweight...

hate to break it to MMA-fans... but natural ability has A LOT to do with it

This is funny to me, how you claim Brock Lesnar is a deserving champion because of his Wrestling record, and then you make more claims on how he trains. Let me ask you, are you around him when he trains? Sorry, your argument is not valid. Furthermore, he is not faster and stronger than any Heavyweight. Say that to Choi Hong-man or Shane Carwin and watch them laugh in your face. That is assuming that you're not a true nuthugger and actually know who those two fighters are? There are countless bigger and stronger Heavyweights than Brock. Invalid argument, yet again.


according to move bricks you have to knock someone out for it to be a good victory... sorry thats inaccurate... go tell floyd mayweather that he isnt the greatest because he doesnt knock out everyone he fights...

are you aware that these matches are judges and you are awarded points for taking down and taking control of your opponent?



(( i'm not pretending that i'm not a fan of lesnar either... i am... but this is sheer HATE))

Don't put words in my mouth, dick rider. When have I ever said that you have knock someone out for it to be a good victory? I am saying that he has not had a significant victory, which he HASN'T. The BIG STRONG AND UNDEFEATABLE GIGANTIC BIGGEST AND STRONGEST IN THE WORLD BROCK LESNAR (According to you) was incapable, do you understand this word? Incapable? Brock Lesnar was INCAPABLE of stopping with a SUBMISSION OR A TKO, a sub par opponent in Heath Herring, while in mount for nearly the entire 15 minutes of a fight. Then Brock goes on to win a TKO victory over an over-the-hill, 45 year old man, carrying no significant victories in nearly 5 years, wielding nothing more than mediocre strength, striking abilities and a glass jaw.

Undeserving. You need to WAKE THE **** UP and realize that Brock Lesnar is a freak show HYPE TRAIN designed to make PROFIT, just like Kimbo. Nothing more and nothing less.

some men are naturally gifted... have a little faith

some men are naturally gifted... have a little faith

Brock is naturally gifted with his size, thats really about it. He is a good wrestler because of his size, he hits hard (we think, not sure about how heavy his hands are yet) because of his size. He has no MMA skills, his boxing is a joke, his BBJ is laughable, he cant kick, he is quick on his feet (i ll give u that) but doesnt have particularly quick hands, and has no stamina.....I say again - His only advantage over Mir (or any decent heavy weight) is his size, not superior skills. As soon as a smart fighter learns how to deal with that massive bulk it is game over for him, he has no plan B.

He is a money maker, simple as that, why else was he given a title shot so early? I think even Brock understands what is going on, u noticed how humble he is? He doesnt wanna look like a tit to the public getting carried away in his own hype. I m not a hater, i just feel cheated as a MMA fan!

that said... if i'm right and he beats mir... is he still just a hulk?

This is funny to me, how you claim Brock Lesnar is a deserving champion because of his Wrestling record, and then you make more claims on how he trains. Let me ask you, are you around him when he trains? Sorry, your argument is not valid. Furthermore, he is not faster and stronger than any Heavyweight. Say that to Choi Hong-man or Shane Carwin and watch them laugh in your face. That is assuming that you're not a true nuthugger and actually know who those two fighters are? There are countless bigger and stronger Heavyweights than Brock. Invalid argument, yet again.




Don't put words in my mouth, dick rider. When have I ever said that you have knock someone out for it to be a good victory? I am saying that he has not had a significant victory, which he HASN'T. The BIG STRONG AND UNDEFEATABLE GIGANTIC BIGGEST AND STRONGEST IN THE WORLD BROCK LESNAR (According to you) was incapable, do you understand this word? Incapable? Brock Lesnar was INCAPABLE of stopping with a SUBMISSION OR A TKO, a sub par opponent in Heath Herring, while in mount for nearly the entire 15 minutes of a fight. Then Brock goes on to win a TKO victory over an over-the-hill, 45 year old man, carrying no significant victories in nearly 5 years, wielding nothing more than mediocre strength, striking abilities and a glass jaw.

Undeserving. You need to WAKE THE **** UP and realize that Brock Lesnar is a freak show HYPE TRAIN designed to make PROFIT, just like Kimbo. Nothing more and nothing less.

Did you SEE Herring after the fight? He looked like he was in a car crash! That was just as impressive as a knock out.

Did you SEE Herring after the fight? He looked like he was in a car crash! That was just as impressive as a knock out.

No it wasn't. Herring had a busted eye and a red face. Big deal? Put Herring underneath of Nogueira, Mir, Hunt, Fedor, Aleksander, Sergei, Alistair, Gonzaga, Werdum, ANYONE could have finished him in 15 minutes.

Did you SEE Herring after the fight? He looked like he was in a car crash! That was just as impressive as a knock out.

how can you say that was just as impressive as a knock out? you've got to be kidding. so your saying a decision win is just as exciting as a KO or submission victory. watch the fight again, brock layed on top for 15 minutes. it was kind of a boring fight. he should have at least won by stoppage/tko....i mean come on

I've seen many knockouts where the recipient didn't look nearly as bad as Herring.

I've seen many knockouts where the recipient didn't look nearly as bad as Herring.

And I've seen more knockouts where the recipient looks better than the person who gave them the knockout. It's not about who looks better, it's about who wins.

^ and I guess I don't need to remind you that Lesnar won?

smh @ this hater

^ and I guess I don't need to remind you that Lesnar won?

smh @ this hater

I was proving a point that it's not how you look.

L2ROT @ this sack rider.