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grayfist
09-24-2004, 07:02 AM
Among the elite of the featherweight class, Manny Pacquiao, by virtue of his age and present weight, is the one with a shot at Eusebio Pedrosa's long-standing record of 19 successive defenses of any featherweight world title (be it WBC, WBA, etc)Morales could not because of weight considerations (seems intent on going up); MAB because of age. Marquez may be too old to try as well (?) Harrison may, but he's not quite part of the world elite.

Pedrosa lost his title to Barry McGuigan in June 8, 1985 in London by decision on his 20th defense of the WBA title. If Pacman were to take a shot at Pedrosa's record, he would have to compile a substantial WIN list early (after winning any of those alphabet belts) so that he can taper off his number of annual ring appearances later, when age begins to catch up with him. Ten fights in three years or so is deemed reasonable. QUESTION: Who among the current hot fighters/ contenders (prospects, included) should Pacman meet over the three year period. Please list ten and NO PADDING!Pick the best of the crop! And indicate how you think the fight will end. Ex: vs. Barrera (rematch)- 12 UD, etc. etc.(Note: This is:PROVIDED THAT PAC WINS A BELT FIRST, so, please specify the name of the current champ that you think Pac should take the title from. You may propose unifications and rematches, as well.) :) Let's have fun with this! :)

Dr Cynical
09-24-2004, 07:04 AM
Pacquiao fans: A Map to Insanity

*Didn't read the post and just felt like posting something stupid. :p

grayfist
09-24-2004, 07:08 AM
Pacquiao fans: A Map to Insanity

*Didn't read the post and just felt like posting something stupid. :pJust provoking discussion, doc! :D

anthetamine
09-24-2004, 07:13 AM
Im still not to sure on who pacquiao is fighting this year... any help

anyway, firstly, he should fight morales (step up weight) W KO within 12
Step down weight

marquez K.O 2nd round
M.A.B ko round 10
Scott Harrison ko within 12
chi W UD
Michael Brodie KO round 3
Derrick Gainer KO round 5
Chi rematch W KO round 11
Spend Abazi KO round 2

cant think of anything else to put into this, by the way people, pac wins all of the above, incase if it was a bit confusing

then... pacs final fight of his career against naz lol

Pac KO 1st round

grayfist
09-24-2004, 07:19 AM
Im still not to sure on who pacquiao is fighting this year... any help

anyway, firstly, he should fight morales (step up weight) W KO within 12
Step down weight

marquez K.O 2nd round
M.A.B ko round 10
Scott Harrison ko within 12
chi W UD
Michael Brodie KO round 3
Derrick Gainer KO round 5
Chi rematch W KO round 11
Spend Abazi KO round 2

cant think of anything else to put into this, by the way people, pac wins all of the above, incase if it was a bit confusing

then... pacs final fight of his career against naz lol

Pac KO 1st roundThis is just one of those fantasy stuff! Let's allow our imagination run wild! :D Re- Pac Naz: Just like Pedrosa fell to McGuigan, eh? Even worse?! KO1?!!! Doess anybody have anything to say re that?!!! :D BTW, I don't see the names of Rocky Juarez, Larios, Joan Guzman in there. They too good; to dangerous for Pac? :)

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
09-24-2004, 07:26 AM
Marquez said he wants Pacquiao in december!

grayfist
09-24-2004, 07:30 AM
Marquez said he wants Pacquiao in december!So, why don't we make this a given: Pac wins over Marquez... who're the ten he'll have to meet within three years? One of the ten matches, another rematch with Marquez?...Barrera?... :)

chito
09-24-2004, 07:31 AM
Marquez said he wants Pacquiao in december!


nah, i don't believe he said that! pls state the source where you got this info.

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
09-24-2004, 07:33 AM
nah, i don't believe he said that! pls state the source where you got this info.

*********.com in spanish also known as Boxeo.org.

anthetamine
09-24-2004, 07:46 AM
right.... im going to do my own interpratation of this

im going to write the ten title defences i want to see pac do, if he is to be put there amongst the greats of this division

Marquez - pac W 2 rounds
Rematch with barrera - pac win 8 round TKO
Scott Harrison - in the UK so i can watch it, Pac victory, 6 round TKO
chi- Pac W - 7 rounds ko
chris john - ko 4 rounds
chi rematch ko 5 rounds
derreck gainer - 5 round ko - pac w

who knows after that, hopefully though we will actually see naz in one of pacs title defences

grayfist
09-24-2004, 08:01 AM
right.... im going to do my own interpratation of this

im going to write the ten title defences i want to see pac do, if he is to be put there amongst the greats of this division

Marquez - pac W 2 rounds
Rematch with barrera - pac win 8 round TKO
Scott Harrison - in the UK so i can watch it, Pac victory, 6 round TKO
chi- Pac W - 7 rounds ko
chris john - ko 4 rounds
chi rematch ko 5 rounds
derreck gainer - 5 round ko - pac w

who knows after that, hopefully though we will actually see naz in one of pacs title defencesThanks for pickin up the thread :)

anthetamine
09-24-2004, 08:04 AM
no bother, i am interested in pac more than any fighter today so i like a bit of guess work as far as his future plans go

grayfist
09-24-2004, 08:07 AM
no bother, i am interested in pac more than any fighter today so i like a bit of guess work as far as his future plans goIf one goes by the deluge of Pac posts all over this site, I'm sure many share that interest! :)

anthetamine
09-24-2004, 08:41 AM
whats his sites address

grayfist
09-24-2004, 09:13 AM
whats his sites addressSorry for the delayed reply anth... had to take a call. :o I was talking about the posts on this site. But yes, I know of two pacman sites: mannypacquiao.ph AND manny-pacquiao.com. mOOks posted yesterday that the 1st site above is loaded with pix and stuff. He got some for his avatars on this site from there. You should try it. I dropped by there couple of times within the last week just for a look-see. I won't mind droppin in again sometime. Well, maybe in a little while, I just might do that... :)

m00ks
09-24-2004, 06:16 PM
Marquez said he wants Pacquiao in december!

Wait Erik Morales said he wanted Pac. No wait it was MAB who wanted his rematch. Hmmm didn't Harrison said he was interested?
Come to think of it, Chi also said he wanted Pac. Oh yah, Guzman called Pac out. Larios said he was very interested in fighting Pac. lol

These boxers talk so much ****. Like someone said, once Manny turned his head, these guys we're gone. So JMM wants Pac in December? LOL...

grayfist
09-24-2004, 08:14 PM
Wait Erik Morales said he wanted Pac. No wait it was MAB who wanted his rematch. Hmmm didn't Harrison said he was interested?
Come to think of it, Chi also said he wanted Pac. Oh yah, Guzman called Pac out. Larios said he was very interested in fighting Pac. lol

These boxers talk so much ****. Like someone said, once Manny turned his head, these guys we're gone. So JMM wants Pac in December? LOL...Talk is cheap, or so it seems, Buddy. Harrison called up Pac and then quickly signed for a defense of his belt with a neophyte, Barrera and Morales both said they wanted Pac and then inked a pact to meet for a rubbermatch, Chi said he wanted a piece of Pac then put up such a high purse demand that made their meeting impossible...! Only the guys with nothing to lose and everything to gain such as Larios and Guzman appear to be serious. Larios is a good tune-up possibility for Pacman: he has the stature, the record and experience to make him dangerous enough but not too dangerous. Guzman, if he keeps his winning ways is good material for some big fights in the future. If the Pac camp is astute enough, they should help Guzman-- and Rocky Juarez and prospects like them-- attain some degree of stardom so that meetings with them down the road would be immense at the tills! Having them fight separate opponents in the undercard of Pacman's future fights would go ways in this direction. Part of the reason why Hopkins is treated like Dangerfield (gets no respect) is that many people don't think highly of the opponents he has had, save for a handful. If the Pac crew helps get the public to know more about Guzman and Juarez, and the duo do attain the wider public's respect, Manny will have something much on his plate after Morales, Barrera (again?) and Marquez. He'll have more PPV fights and thus rake in more $$$$$$$! I don't think Juarez's and Guzman's camp would turn down any offer from the Pac's management to help their wards attain mega-stature. :)

mr. bojangles
09-24-2004, 09:31 PM
Nice poser for my morning coffee buddy!

20 title defenses eh? OK let me start my list...here goes

2005 :
Pac-JMM - rematch! for the WBA/IBF belts, Pac KO rd. 6 or by SD
1. Chris John - there can be only one in the WBA!, Pac KO rd. 1
Pac-MAB - rematch! Pac KO rd. 6 or by UD
Pac-Harrison - for the WBO belt, Pac by middle rounds KO or by UD

2006 :
2. Michael Brodie - 1st IBF defense, Pac KO rd. 1
Pac-Chi - for the green WBC belt, Pac by late rounds KO or by UD
3. Rocky Juarez - 1st WBC defense,
4. Abelyan - 1st WBO defense

2007 :
5. Abazi - 2nd IBF defense
6. Archuleta - 2nd WBC defense
7. Sato - 2nd WBA defense
8. Polo - 2nd WBO defense

2008 :
9. Koshimoto - 3rd WBC defense
10. Salido - 3rd IBF defense

I'll stop my fantasy here. Funny list, isn't it? hahahaha LOL :D

The thing is, we really don't know. :confused:

baliw_nga
09-24-2004, 09:44 PM
Nice poser for my morning coffee buddy!

20 title defenses eh? OK let me start my list...here goes

2005 :
Pac-JMM - rematch! for the WBA/IBF belts, Pac KO rd. 6 or by SD
1. Chris John - there can be only one in the WBA!, Pac KO rd. 1
Pac-MAB - rematch! Pac KO rd. 6 or by UD
Pac-Harrison - for the WBO belt, Pac by middle rounds KO or by UD

2006 :
2. Michael Brodie - 1st IBF defense, Pac KO rd. 1
Pac-Chi - for the green WBC belt, Pac by late rounds KO or by UD
3. Rocky Juarez - 1st WBC defense,
4. Abelyan - 1st WBO defense

2007 :
5. Abazi - 2nd IBF defense
6. Archuleta - 2nd WBC defense
7. Sato - 2nd WBA defense
8. Polo - 2nd WBO defense

2008 :
9. Koshimoto - 3rd WBC defense
10. Salido - 3rd IBF defense

I'll stop my fantasy here. Funny list, isn't it? hahahaha LOL :D

The thing is, we really don't know. :confused:


What's funny with that list?? :confused:

mr. bojangles
09-24-2004, 09:55 PM
What's funny with that list?? :confused:

Do you know what the future holds baliw_nga? :confused:

grayfist
09-24-2004, 09:59 PM
Nice poser for my morning coffee buddy!

20 title defenses eh? OK let me start my list...here goes

2005 :
Pac-JMM - rematch! for the WBA/IBF belts, Pac KO rd. 6 or by UD
1. Chris John - there can be only one in the WBA!, Pac KO rd. 1
Pac-MAB - rematch! Pac KO rd. 6
Pac-Harrison - for the WBO belt

2006 :
2. Michael Brodie - 1st IBF defense, Pac KO rd. 1
Pac-Chi - for the green WBC belt, Pac by late rounds KO or by UD
3. Rocky Juarez - 1st WBC defense,
4. Abelyan - 1st WBO defense

2007 :
5. Abazi - 2nd IBF defense
6. Archuleta - 2nd WBC defense
7. Sato - 2nd WBA defense
8. Polo - 2nd WBO defense

2008 :
9. Koshimoto - 3rd WBC defense
10. Salido - 3rd IBF defense

I'll stop my fantasy here. Funny list, isn't it? hahahaha LOL :D

The thing is, we really don't know. :confused:HEYA, BUDDY!!! :) We really don't know and can't for certain! But that's part of the fun! And, you feeling lucky the world has only one CHRIS JOHN?! I haven't seen him fight; I haven't seen him AT ALL! How did he get such lofty stature at WBA?I noticed you put him in there for a KO1...So, I see that he doesn't have your respect? What about Guzman? You'd rather Pac meet him for the 11th to 20th fight? You know a crazy thought buzzing in m'head? What if somewhere in the 14th and 15th canto, Pac gets to meet RAFAEL Marquez, who by then shall have risen through the weight categories....BROTHERS!!! Oh, brother!!! ;) Naughty! HA! HA! HA! HA!

mr. bojangles
09-24-2004, 10:22 PM
HEYA, BUDDY!!! :) We really don't know and can't for certain! But that's part of the fun! And, you feeling lucky the world has only one CHRIS JOHN?! I haven't seen him fight; I haven't seen him AT ALL! How did he get such lofty stature at WBA?I noticed you put him in there for a KO1...So, I see that he doesn't have your respect? What about Guzman? You'd rather Pac meet him for the 11th to 20th fight? You know a crazy thought buzzing in m'head? What if somewhere in the 14th and 15th canto, Pac gets to meet RAFAEL Marquez, who by then shall have risen through the weight categories....BROTHERS!!! Oh, brother!!! ;) Naughty! HA! HA! HA! HA!

I was actually grinning at myself while typing that list. :D LOL
As for Chris John being the "regular champ" and JMMarquez being the "super champ" of the WBA, well, what can I say...just amazed how these alphabet soups orgs come up with income-generating schemes..."there can be only one champ!" damn it! LOL :D

I intentionally skipped Joan Guzman and Robert Guerrero bro, in my opinion they're serious roadblocks in 2~3 years, Rafa oh boy...just never crossed my mind. The future looks really exciting in this weight class.

2005, who do you honestly think Pac gets to fight with?

grayfist
09-24-2004, 10:41 PM
I was actually grinning at myself while typing that list. :D LOL
As for Chris John being the "regular champ" and JMMarquez being the "super champ" of the WBA, well, what can I say...just amazed how these alphabet soups orgs come up with income-generating schemes..."there can be only one champ!" damn it! LOL :D

I intentionally skipped Joan Guzman and Robert Guerrero bro, in my opinion they're serious roadblocks in 2~3 years, Rafa oh boy...just never crossed my mind. The future looks really exciting in this weight class.

2005, who do you honestly think Pac gets to fight with? WBA: Yup there otta be only one! I don't get it myself other than the reason you cited, money. Re Guzman and Guerrero, only mega-bucks and superfights, but even then, they're people one has to ponder seriously about if the objective is to get Pac 20 wins on title defenses. Yes. Re: Who Pac gets to fight 2005. Tough call! Marquez is making noises on latino b'casts about meeting Pac sometime Dec, it has been said. I don't see it happening this year; that could come next year, if at all. Morales is saying he won't go anywhere without meeting Pac after Barrera III. If there's something to that, that could not happen until next year. I'd like to see Harrison-Pac next year as well, but not before Pac tries to get himself belts by meeting Marquez, just so the ante can be upped: Harrison is no big name beyond the realm inhabited by boxing-batty fans like us. :D Their meeting has to be hyped as a unification match so Pac can get more $$$ than he would if he were to meet Harrison as a "challenger". It will be PPV material! :)

mr. bojangles
09-24-2004, 11:10 PM
WBA: Yup there otta be only one! I don't get it myself other than the reason you cited, money. Re Guzman and Guerrero, only mega-bucks and superfights, but even then, they're people one has to ponder seriously about if the objective is to get Pac 20 wins on title defenses. Yes. Re: Who Pac gets to fight 2005. Tough call! Marquez is making noises on latino b'casts about meeting Pac sometime Dec, it has been said. I don't see it happening this year; that could come next year, if at all. Morales is saying he won't go anywhere without meeting Pac after Barrera III. If there's something to that, that could not happen until next year. I'd like to see Harrison-Pac next year as well, but not before Pac tries to get himself belts by meeting Marquez, just so the ante can be upped: Harrison is no big name beyond the realm inhabited by boxing-batty fans like us. :D Their meeting has to be hyped as a unification match so Pac can get more $$$ than he would if he were to meet Harrison as a "challenger". It will be PPV material! :)

I agree with you. Assuming Pac gets past Marquez, the next attractive thing to do is go for a unification bout with the Scotsman. So let's list it down :D ...

2005 fights for Pac :
1. JMM - possibly around February, rematch for the WBA & IBF belts
2. Harrison - for the WBO belt, possibly around mid-year
3. Barrera or Morales - possibly before the year ends

This is fun.

grayfist
09-24-2004, 11:13 PM
I agree with you. Assuming Pac gets past Marquez, the next attractive thing to do is go for a unification bout with the Scotsman. So let's list it down :D ...

2005 fights for Pac :
1. JMM - possibly around February, rematch for the WBA & IBF belts
2. Harrison - for the WBO belt, possibly around mid-year
3. Barrera or Morales - possibly before the year ends

This is fun.Fun is right! :D !!!

Silencer
11-10-2004, 09:35 PM
mai.pen.rai.krap,

Who's that in your avatar? So sexy hah!!! :)

Silencer
11-10-2004, 09:50 PM
Here's my list for Pac in 2005:

Morales - Feb
Marquez - Jul
Barrera - Nov (if he beat Morales)