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nirojsri
12-11-2008, 11:14 PM
My trainer has this habit of me always sparring with first timers.
I'm not that experienced myself. I've only been training for about 7 months.
I'm absolutely sick of them running at me and throwing wild swings and trying to knock me out. One time he put me with a guy that weighed like 80 lbs more than me and he was a newbie He practically charged me into a corner for 1 round and threw the same combination uppercuts while pinning me into a corner.
Literally pinning me he had his whole body against mine as if he was tackling me and held me in place in the corner. ****ing hurt. Then he gets tired as a mother****er we start 2nd round he quits and never shows up again.

I know people deserve a chance even if they are new. But I'm really sick of it.
Is this selfish? and if not how can I tell my trainer I don't like sparring with new or first timers without coming off as arrogant or thinking I'm better than everyone.

peewee1460
12-11-2008, 11:29 PM
i've had this role before. what i try to do is nail them square in the nose with my best jab. they tend to back off and show some respect. if you think your trainer'll frown on that try and sneak in a shot to the solar plexis every now and then, it'll take their breath and let you catch yours.

nirojsri
12-11-2008, 11:36 PM
Right now I'm getting used to it and just use it to practice dodging and **** but once in a while they're crazy and it pisses me off that I'm trying to take it easy on them and make it a learning experience for them and these ****ers are out there trying to kill me. And most people who spar for the first time at my gym never even come back.

Noy
12-12-2008, 12:07 AM
the best way to tell your trainer is to punch the lights out of your sparring partner. show your trainer you deserve better in the ring, if you truly deserve it.

keepthemhandsup
12-12-2008, 12:14 AM
i love fighting newbies....!!

it fun to fight new people, you can learn if they're winners or quitters. of course they don't know how to box so of course they will throw sloppy punches....but hey if you condition and train yourself right then it's nothing to worry about.

and i learn good defensive from fighting newibes because chances are it's probaly someone who will go all out the frist round.

i don't care if they come back or not, if they don't they were never ment to box in the frist place, if they do, i got a new training buddy!

plus i'm a bit of a sadist......:firedevil:firedevil

nirojsri
12-12-2008, 10:03 AM
Meh I don't really get kicks from hurting newbies because I was a newbie like then once.
And there's not much of a benefit of me frightinh a newbie. I like to spar with people who are more experienced than me because I learn something new each fight.

Bretto2
12-12-2008, 10:11 AM
imo its a benifit and a downfall, benifit is you get to hit easy opponents, and is sometimes good to learn against fighters who charge, the downfall is the experience level you learn is pretty minimal..

oc9979
12-12-2008, 10:31 AM
imo its a benifit and a downfall, benifit is you get to hit easy opponents, and is sometimes good to learn against fighters who charge, the downfall is the experience level you learn is pretty minimal..

im a newbie but i know it is a sparring section. so when i go in there i try what i do in the heavy bag and shyt. but i dont try hitting my partner hard like i would be fighting. he is there to help. but a good hard combo from you would make him stop a lil bit. also most of the new guy like me. we wont last more than two round if we havent trained good.

i would advised to throw your jab hard to their nose. that shyt stop me anyday lol

nirojsri
12-12-2008, 10:56 AM
I also feel guilty though cuz then the trainer can say why should someone more experienced fight with you if they aren't going to learn as much.

Squabbles94806
12-12-2008, 11:41 AM
Uhhh......yes and no. 7 months is still a short time to be training, especially if you don't have fighting experience.

I don't think it's too selfish. If someone comes at you, fcuk it. Ya gotta do what you gotta do. Either you respect them, or they respect you. If they respect you and you continue to whoop on them, instead of work with them, then that's a little selfish. At that point, start sparring with people who will push you and help you.

If there's no one available at your stable to push you and you keep sparring novices, then do what you gotta do...but make sure they respect you. There's nothing wrong with beating the hell outta someone and then jokin with them outside of hte ring or gym.

Just remember: There's always someone out there who will put you in your place.

PunchDrunk
12-12-2008, 01:33 PM
Ever wonder WHY your trainer keeps putting YOU in with newbies? As long as you can't handle the new guy in the gym, maybe he reckons you have no business sparring anybody else...

nirojsri
12-12-2008, 01:35 PM
I do have fighting experience I've sparred over a 80 times with amateur boxers and I've had an exhibition fight with a much heavier and experienced fighter. But I never think I'm better than everybody else in fact I know that I am the least skilled amateur in my gym right now.

Squabbles94806
12-12-2008, 01:45 PM
Is sparring really that deep that people have to analyis it? I'm not even the shiit. i'm a Palooka right now.

Shiit, my coach doesn't ask if i wanna spar. It's not even an option for me to sit out. He just tells me i'm working with so and so. I'm only 152 pounds and i'm sparring with 170, 140, 150, 200 pound fcukers. Everyone and anyone. I ain't even trippin. I'm always down to squab.

Of course, my coach says take it easy, and don't do anything crazy.

Basically my rule of thumb is this: When i'm sparring my fellow training partners, first round go light. Easy, warm up. Work your jab, get the blood flowing. As the rounds keep going, then you pick it up a notch, and then another notch. That way both of you are getting something out of it.

If i'm sparring guests from other gyms, i start of at medium and establish myself. See what they got. Then pick it waaay up...let em know who's house they're in. But then talk to them aftewards and exchange ideas.

PunchDrunk
12-12-2008, 01:46 PM
Work harder untill your coach notices your improvement. Then you'll get to spar with the more experienced guys.

PunchDrunk
12-12-2008, 01:48 PM
Is sparring really that deep that people have to analyis it?

Yes it is, abso****inglutely. I can't even believe you asked that question...

nirojsri
12-12-2008, 01:49 PM
I do spar with experienced guy I do that most of the time but occasionally when a first timer wants to spar he usuaully puts him against me.

Squabbles94806
12-12-2008, 01:57 PM
Yes it is, abso****inglutely. I can't even believe you asked that question...

I'm not referring to tactic, technique, skill yadda yadda...

i was talking about the fear or nervouness of sparring.

PunchDrunk
12-12-2008, 04:38 PM
I'm not referring to tactic, technique, skill yadda yadda...

i was talking about the fear or nervouness of sparring.

Aight, gotcha.

rj_ct
12-12-2008, 05:23 PM
Is sparring really that deep that people have to analyis it? I'm not even the shiit. i'm a Palooka right now.

Shiit, my coach doesn't ask if i wanna spar. It's not even an option for me to sit out. He just tells me i'm working with so and so. I'm only 152 pounds and i'm sparring with 170, 140, 150, 200 pound fcukers. Everyone and anyone. I ain't even trippin. I'm always down to squab.

truth. just get in there and do your your thing. end of story.

to the original poster: you're going to fight some guys who are wild/rough/dirty, and all of them will be trying to knock you out. maybe your coach uses you as "that guy" for a reason...

Wood23ard
06-06-2009, 09:09 PM
im a newbie who's just started training and we were doing some light sparring and i found it great, everyone has been very helpful and no-one has gone hard, if anyone did go hard on me the coach would hammer them as what's the point in going hard on a newbie? (unless he's getting ****y etc.) might aswell just hit a punch bag.

there was one lol moment when our coach told me to go in there and throw jabs while the other person had to slip them anyways i didn't realise you had to touch gloves and i went there and jabbed him pretty hard while he reached out to touch gloves lol, he laughed it off thankfully!

colly10
06-06-2009, 09:34 PM
I do have fighting experience I've sparred over a 80 times with amateur boxers and I've had an exhibition fight with a much heavier and experienced fighter. But I never think I'm better than everybody else in fact I know that I am the least skilled amateur in my gym right now.

80 times is not alot, you are still new yourself although you are alot better than these guys. New guys are very unpredictable and have a broken rhythm which makes them difficult, you'll be learning something even if you don't know it.

You have also said you are the least experienced fighter, that doesn't mean your not good enough to fight better fighters but it means your the best for a new guy, give it time and he'll put you in with better fighters

Kinetic Linking
06-07-2009, 05:54 AM
I've heard this complaint before, it sounds like complete bull**** to me. You're upset because these "newbs" kick your ass for a round and then get tired and quit before you get revenge. If you were to meet in the street, they'd probably win the fight since real fights don't last very long. Stop complaining and learn how to fight already. A newb is a newb is a newb, if you can't kick their ass every second of every round then you're the newb.

BennyST
06-07-2009, 02:09 PM
My trainer has this habit of me always sparring with first timers.
I'm not that experienced myself. I've only been training for about 7 months.
I'm absolutely sick of them running at me and throwing wild swings and trying to knock me out. One time he put me with a guy that weighed like 80 lbs more than me and he was a newbie He practically charged me into a corner for 1 round and threw the same combination uppercuts while pinning me into a corner.
Literally pinning me he had his whole body against mine as if he was tackling me and held me in place in the corner. ****ing hurt. Then he gets tired as a mother****er we start 2nd round he quits and never shows up again.

I know people deserve a chance even if they are new. But I'm really sick of it.
Is this selfish? and if not how can I tell my trainer I don't like sparring with new or first timers without coming off as arrogant or thinking I'm better than everyone.

Seven months is a very short period of time. Don't worry you are still learning and sparring with these new guys will actually help you a lot if you go in with the right attitude. If you can slip, block and counter everything from a guy that outweighs you by a lot or just keep him at the end of a jab while he throws wild haymakers then your coach will put you up with the more experienced guys.

Until you show the improvement that it is not doing anything for you to be in with these guys then he won't do it. That's how my trainers used to do it at our gym anyway when I started out and that's what I did with new people as well. Show your willingness to learn and use everything that you have learned in the gym against these guys. If you are showing that you can keep a bigger, but less experienced guy at the end of you jab and can get out of the way of everything and basically keep him confused and turning in circles then it shows you've learned something and he will move you up.

It's all up to you, but seven months is a very short period. Keep at it.

portuge puncher
06-07-2009, 03:47 PM
i had this same probblem,
but its jus cuz you havent been training long,
slowley but surley u'll be sparrin' betta guys,

i remmember my first time sparrin', my trainer was talkin to someone,
and the first round, BOOM, da bastard i was sparrin broke my nose.

but i didnt go knowware, i keeped comin at him,
my nose stopped hurtin when it got numb,
so i keeped goin' after em.

dont be so hard on newbie's,
and you've only been trainin' for 7 months, so
eventually u'll spar betta guys.

Kinetic Linking
06-08-2009, 05:07 AM
the more I think about this thread the dumber it seems. Your job is to hurt the other guy in the ring, asking "is this selfish?" is just ****ing retarded.

RightCross94
06-08-2009, 08:49 AM
it can be beneficial, but sparring experienced guys is better

it can help you because they are so wild and rough, sometimes you fight guys like that, and it helps them too, for instance a few months ago my coach put me in to spar a guys who had shown some good ability, natural speed and rhythm etc but still very raw and green, he was about 10-15 lbs heavier than me and a good deal taller

so anyway, i belted the **** out of him, made his nose bleed etc, but he kept sparring with me and now 2-3 months later he can compete and even win rounds off me and other guys in sparring, and he is having his first fight soon, great natural talent, he is pakistani and reminds me of amir khan, really ****ing fast hands and reflexes

so yeah what im trying to say is sparrign with these guys aint always a waste of time, if they have ability the sparring with better guys can help them progress rapidly

RightCross94
06-08-2009, 08:52 AM
really i mean new guys can be awkward especially if you're used to neat and tidy style fighters but it should really be mostly a cakewalk for anyone with a few fights, even if the new guy is bigger

they do **** like drop their hands when they try to trade with you, they are off balance, no defence, too ****ing easy

JC Warrior
06-08-2009, 03:19 PM
Whenever coach would put the same guy in against new guys it was for one of three reasons:

1. There was no one else to spar
2. The *gatekeeper* didn't show ambition to anyone but himself
3. There was a lot of trust and respect from coach

Reading your posts it sounds like you fall into category number 2. To get out of that role you need to do two things. First is talk to coach and tell him what's up. Coach's are smart but they're not mind readers and won't know a thing if you don't say anything. And second; whip someone's ass. I don't mean wack a newbie in the solar plexus or pop them in the nose. I mean get in with an experienced guy show-n-prove that you belong by taking charge for a round or two and seriously SHOW coach that you mean business and want to get better.

Failure to do the above and you will continue as the gatekeeper in your gym as long as you go there.

Kinetic Linking
06-08-2009, 06:05 PM
lol you just need to whoop ass.