I'm one of the few who llikes both sports but even if your just an MMA fan you know who Oscar De La Hoya is and you know the size difference. While I didnt think the size difference was gonna matter I thot Oscar was just to talented for Manny so when I came home and saw Manny won by TKO I was pretty shocked and was wondering how the MMA community felt about this?

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Pac is easily top P4P. I knew this was going to happen. I love Oscar, but again, I knew it would happen.

It was a flawless victory due to a great gameplan put together by Roach and execution by Pac.

What saddens me is this PPV will more likely turn away casuals thanks to bad production and the boxing fans are too blind to see that.

In a perfect world boxers would fight like Pacquiao. Pac deserves all the credit in the world. He came to win and fought the perfect fight and proved he is P4P#1 and reinforce the fact that he is the most exciting boxer around today.

I could still knock him out tho becauseMOVE BRICKS

I love the Pac Man so much, prolly enough to suck his meat and enjoy a Newport afterwards.

In a perfect world boxers would fight like Pacquiao. Pac deserves all the credit in the world. He came to win and fought the perfect fight and proved he is P4P#1 and reinforce the fact that he is the most exciting boxer around today.

He's a real humble man too, well at least on the outside, and came from nothing, I give him all the credit he deserves.

I dont appreciate Dana White trying to hate on the PPV though when he just gave Brock a title shot he clearly didnt earn but aside from that I think it shows that Boxing and MMA are both exciting SPORTS, with SPORT being the main word

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Only problem with the event was the undercard which seems to be the one thing boxing needs to change, especially for what they charge on a PPV. I mean both Ortiz and Lopez are a great prospect (Ortiz) and a titlist at 122lbs (Lopez) and they get given deadbeat cans to fight against, horrid. Plus the undercard that was televised lasted a total of 6 or so minutes which left all this time to build up to the main event which they couldn't even do right. Thank god Pacman didn't let us down and let rip on DLH ass.

I enjoy both sports, but i still think that a great boxing fight is better than a great mma fight. But the problem is that great mma fights happen pretty often while great boxing matches are few and far between.

Fighters like Pacquiao are what make boxing great, while fighters like Joe Calzaghe are what makes me hate the sport at times.

didn't get to see the fight (studying for finals) but heard it was a doozy (if ur a Pac fan...) with a garbage undercard. i also like both sports and i think that boxing is starting to realize that ppl expect more than the main event now. the competition between boxing and mma is damn good for fans cos they're constantly trying to one up each other so things can only get better.

I got nothin against MMA. I just don't care about it. I'm a boxing loyalist 4 life. I'm sure MMA fans will **** on any boxing event regardless of the magnitude or entertainment value it brings, but that's to be expected I guess.

If you don't care about it why are you in the MMA section?

I like both sports, and this fight seemed to be advertised better than any other boxing event in the past, including DLH-Mayweather.

I got nothin against MMA. I just don't care about it. I'm a boxing loyalist 4 life. I'm sure MMA fans will **** on any boxing event regardless of the magnitude or entertainment value it brings, but that's to be expected I guess.

If you're such a loyalist then, why aren't you throwing a temper tantrum at HBO? Why aren't you cursing the **** out of DLH or Arum?

Where I'm coming from isn't MMA vs. Boxing. This was Boxing's "second chance" at getting their foot into the door in the way of mainstream exceptance and they failed at it. Badly.

You can not justify Taking interviews during a fight. You can not justify Medina doing a "Cantrell". You certainly can not justify 40 mins of dead air being cover with pomp and speculation by three old men and totally ****ing the over the Jacobs fight. Hell, timewise was spent more hyping the headline then building fighters.

And you alright with this.

You're alright with totally gyping a new "fan" out of $55 with a bad PPV. Fifty dollars more if they bought beer and tequila for those damn rebate coupons. You're alright with HBO ****ing over Jacobs and Ortiz. That's totally fine with you.

You're either stupid, crazy or both if you believe this advanced your sport.

If you're such a loyalist then, why aren't you throwing a temper tantrum at HBO? Why aren't you cursing the **** out of DLH or Arum?

Where I'm coming from isn't MMA vs. Boxing. This was Boxing's "second chance" at getting their foot into the door in the way of mainstream exceptance and they failed at it. Badly.

You can not justify Taking interviews during a fight. You can not justify Medina doing a "Cantrell". You certainly can not justify 40 mins of dead air being cover with pomp and speculation by three old men and totally ****ing the over the Jacobs fight. Hell, timewise was spent more hyping the headline then building fighters.

And you alright with this.

You're alright with totally gyping a new "fan" out of $55 with a bad PPV. Fifty dollars more if they bought beer and tequila for those damn rebate coupons. You're alright with HBO ****ing over Jacobs and Ortiz. That's totally fine with you.

You're either stupid, crazy or both if you believe this advanced your sport.

Oscar/Pac wasn't boxing's "second chance" to "get it's foot in the door in the way of mainstream acceptance". Boxing has been a part of the mainstream culture since it's inception over 100 years ago. It's ingrained into pop culture.

But I do agree with your take on boxing PPV's, I've been saying the same **** for years. HBO wonders why people pirate their $60 telecasts, but they jam pack it with less than stellar undercards. It's not uncommon for the main event to be the only good fight of the night.

And that has to change if they're to continue to rake in revenue. Otherwise more and more people will switch to P2P apps that HBO can't do a damn thing about to get their fix.

That was a great fight!

Anyone get the PPV numbers on this fight?

I bet Dana wishes he could someday take in that many PPV dollars in one night.

I got nothin against MMA. I just don't care about it. I'm a boxing loyalist 4 life. I'm sure MMA fans will **** on any boxing event regardless of the magnitude or entertainment value it brings, but that's to be expected I guess.

Uncalled for and you should not generalize like that. I for one am a fan of both sports and enjoy watching big names fight.

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Quoted for truth!!

I like to also quote what hatton say to him before the fight


Goodluck on your fight Manny and See You In England!!

I'm a mayweather fan, but as a fellow pinoy i'll have to say bring it on hatton, and mayweather your next!!!

but to be honest imo i'll go for mayweather if they fight.

It was like the beggining of the UFC when there was no weight limits and what people expected did not happen. The bigger De La Hoya was trying to catch Manny but Pacquiao was too fast. This fight may become a template on how to defeat bigger opponents.

It was like the beggining of the UFC when there was no weight limits and what people expected did not happen. The bigger De La Hoya was trying to catch Manny but Pacquiao was too fast. This fight may become a template on how to defeat bigger opponents.

That may not be the case cause if the bigger opponent is just as qucik as the smaller one than there could be problems.

It was a flawless victory due to a great gameplan put together by Roach and execution by Pac.

What saddens me is this PPV will more likely turn away casuals thanks to bad production and the boxing fans are too blind to see that.


I have to disagree with this PPV turning away casuals. A casual fan could care less about the production quality, and only an avid watcher would notice the hiccups in the production.



As for the undercard fights on big ticket mega events like this.


There is a big reason why the UFC is able to stack their cards the way they do and its very simple.


They don't pay their fighters ****.

Look at the salaries that even top level fighters are making. Even with UFC PPV numbers, and live ticket sales rivaling those of boxing events, they are still able to fill up the cards with many quality fights just based on the relatively low amount they pay their fighters.


With these elite level boxers, or in the case of De La Hoya-Pacquiao, these guys are guaranteed millions of dollars each, and on top of that the millions that go into promoting a mega event like this, and realistically there just isn't enough money to pay other top tier fighters while still being able to turn a profit.

[QUOTE=Palma;4434359]That was a great fight!

Anyone get the PPV numbers on this fight?

Heard somewhere that it sold $1.5 Mill buys .. but I guess we'll have to wait for an official count on the exact PPV #s

and Bringer to throw a question back at you.

yes the fights get prated online cuz there jam packed with as you say "less then stellar match ups" and im in complete agreement with that .... whole lotta truth, most PPV's are set up with boring, throw away fights that are there as dead weight to lead up to the main event .. (Calzaghe-Jones undercard anyone?)

but why would HBO have to up the quality if they can STILL get say $1.5 Mill buys for the big Dream fight? (assuming that number turns out correctly)

and side bar, but how many PPV's did Jones-Calzaghe do? 500k?

HBO is getting by with D quality match making (Juanma and Ortiz both fought cans for example. and blew them out very early)

and getting A level results with the PPV buys (at least in the case of the Dream fight.)

why would they (HBO PPV) change that formula of poor under card match making .. when say they can get over a Mill for the big fight?

and sure illegal streaming is the alternate, but I would think some how, some way HBO and etc could crack down on that .. which is unfortunate for us

but if HBO can take clips off youtube (copyrighted)
and music sharing can get you busted

why not illegal fight streaming?

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