Since my body is in complete pain right now since I believe it is healing... Would it be bad to do more crunches and exercises such as that while my body is healing?

the pain and stiffness is caused by lactic acid buildup, the more u move, the better u'll feel. if they're really sore then hold up for a day or so just to make sure u didn't pull nething

I've noticed alot of people talk about overtraining when they are not even training that hard! it is very hard to overtrain, so don't use this as an excuse in your head to work less. You can and should do ab exercises everyday and you won't be overtraining **** all! Just make sure you take your time to build it up slowly but surely to about 1200 reps. I do 400 raises, 400 sit ups and 400 frog crunches (these work EVERY single muscle) in sets of 100 or 200. Most people go on about overtraining like its going out of fashion, when in reality they are out of shape. Work hard, reap the rewards!

I've noticed alot of people talk about overtraining when they are not even training that hard! it is very hard to overtrain, so don't use this as an excuse in your head to work less. You can and should do ab exercises everyday and you won't be overtraining **** all! Just make sure you take your time to build it up slowly but surely to about 1200 reps. I do 400 raises, 400 sit ups and 400 frog crunches (these work EVERY single muscle) in sets of 100 or 200. Most people go on about overtraining like its going out of fashion, when in reality they are out of shape. Work hard, reap the rewards!

julio shut the **** up. thatll do us all some good! fake boxer!!

man HELL NO!!! The abs are one thing that you should be working everyday. Yeah it might be sore. But your stomach (abs) is always constructing and re-constructing itself. After all, you have days when you eat junk food right?

IMO, the only time when you'd rest your abs is if it's getting hit constantly. For example, doin hard core ab training and core training and then hard sparring for a week....that might not be a good idea.

I've noticed alot of people talk about overtraining when they are not even training that hard! it is very hard to overtrain, so don't use this as an excuse in your head to work less. You can and should do ab exercises everyday and you won't be overtraining **** all! Just make sure you take your time to build it up slowly but surely to about 1200 reps. I do 400 raises, 400 sit ups and 400 frog crunches (these work EVERY single muscle) in sets of 100 or 200. Most people go on about overtraining like its going out of fashion, when in reality they are out of shape. Work hard, reap the rewards!


you are clueless,

its easy to feel really sore after a workout , especially if youve just begun exercising that body part, feeling sore the next day is a clear indication youve worked that body part propelry and that its going to respond by growing stronger for you next workout,

"I do 400 raises, 400 sit ups and 400 frog crunches " you are clearly doing them wrong , sooooooooo wrong, you cant do 400 of any sit ups if you do them propely and properly workout your muscles, you will be cheating without knowing it

You can work your abs every day. You should vary the intensity though. For example do your regular ab session then the next day do medicine ball drops on your abs or various plank holds for time. The reason for this is you shouldn't work them the same way day after day working the same qualities (contractile strength, static strength, explosive strength, etc) otherwise your body wont have time to adapt and repair from what you did.

Heres a few examples of things you can do those other days your not doing your regular ab work that arent overly stressful in the right doses:
Static strength: plank hold, 1 arm plank hold, 1 leg plank hold, 1 arm 1 leg plank hold, ab wheel rollouts (knees or standing), etc
Explosive strength: medicine ball side toss, medicine ball slams, power boxing rounds on heavybag, etc
Other: medicine ball drops on abs and sides, partner drills where the partner beats on your midsection, abdominal vacuums, etc

julio shut the **** up. thatll do us all some good! fake boxer!!
I was expecting something retarded like that from the forum bum who can't even be arsed doing his stretches! If I am a fake boxer, i will take that as a compliment because the hard work makes it easier for me in the ring. You can be as REAL as you want REAL boxer, and lick the canvas like your real fighter hero in your avatar, lol. If that is a REAL fighter, I'll pass :rofl:
you are clueless,


"I do 400 raises, 400 sit ups and 400 frog crunches " you are clearly doing them wrong , sooooooooo wrong, you cant do 400 of any sit ups if you do them propely and properly workout your muscles, you will be cheating without knowing it
This is pure bull****, and evidence of the limited belief system that holds so many back. There are many pro's who do MORE than that, so you saying it is not possible to do that many corectly is dumb as ****. Doing them in hundredfs is not even that hard! Fatso's think it is and stick to doing sets of 10's and 20's but surprise surprise they get NOWHERE.

its easy to feel really sore after a workout , especially if youve just begun exercising that body part, feeling sore the next day is a clear indication youve worked that body part propelry and that its going to respond by growing stronger for you next workout,
That is exactly why I said he should build the quantity up GRADUALLY over time. There is no need to rusgh to get to high levels of fitness, so long as you are taking yourself to the limit. Build it up in a reasonabvle time frame as expected, but soreness doesn't necessarily mean overtraining unless it is extremely bad. All athletes experience soreness after training. If they avoided training to soreness levels, they would never get fit enough in time for events and competitions!

listen to julio

I find sometimes when they are hurting do them the next day and it will stop hurting.

dont lisen to julio,

if you do your sit ups properly you will feel you stomach really aching and strugle to do 50-75,

forget 400, of this and 200 of that ect........thats for his imagination,

dont lisen to julio,

if you do your sit ups properly you will feel you stomach really aching and strugle to do 50-75,

forget 400, of this and 200 of that ect........thats for his imagination,

Sure it is! That's why many pro's including national, continental and world champions do such routines. What you just described is a bum's workout and you will NOT find it in here:

http://chaos.com/product/boxings_greatest_workouts_1658033_597046.html
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Workouts-Boxings-Greatest-Champs-Muhammad/dp/1569754438/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228526577&sr=1-1
A great book and I recommend it to all who want to get FAR, and not the bums. It will give you a proper idea of what needs to be done, and not limiting beliefs based on SPECULATION! I've recently added medicine ball to my routine too, and it has done me good as I got to the point where I could no longer feel a burn! if the htread starter continues he can also get to that point. I always have abs because I always do what you need to do.

50-75 is **** all, just go to a gym and you'll see normal people do more than that. I even know people with big bellies who do more than that. **** that, I even know a girl who does 700 a day! OMFG, do you honestly think you can do 50-75 everyday and you won't eventually get use to it and need to build it up?

sigh.....


stronglifts.com for reliable information.

www.spartanhealth.com is probably alot better if you want to get somewhere. I am glad you mentioned that website, because everything I say and all my tips can be easily referenced such as Spartan website or Todd's books. I can't post all references on here but if anyone wants more info just PM me! I did a degree course in Sports and Exercise too. There is always difference of opinions in any field, but I can back ALL of mine up with expert proof not hearsay.

I was expecting something retarded like that from the forum bum who can't even be arsed doing his stretches! If I am a fake boxer, i will take that as a compliment because the hard work makes it easier for me in the ring. You can be as REAL as you want REAL boxer, and lick the canvas like your real fighter hero in your avatar, lol. If that is a REAL fighter, I'll pass :rofl:

This is pure bull****, and evidence of the limited belief system that holds so many back. There are many pro's who do MORE than that, so you saying it is not possible to do that many corectly is dumb as ****. Doing them in hundredfs is not even that hard! Fatso's think it is and stick to doing sets of 10's and 20's but surprise surprise they get NOWHERE.


That is exactly why I said he should build the quantity up GRADUALLY over time. There is no need to rusgh to get to high levels of fitness, so long as you are taking yourself to the limit. Build it up in a reasonabvle time frame as expected, but soreness doesn't necessarily mean overtraining unless it is extremely bad. All athletes experience soreness after training. If they avoided training to soreness levels, they would never get fit enough in time for events and competitions!

julio your death has become the sole purpose of my existance. i wont stop until your head is on a pole you pig. i plan on beating the piss outta u then decapitation your skull on my front lawn to prove my point your foreign pice of trash!!

The short answer to your question would be: Yes.

The long answer:

It depends, if you are just starting to train. In that case, start slowly, going from not training to training like a mad man won't do you any good. You need to let your body rest sometimes.

But after a while you will be able to work your abs out every day without even being sore. Your muscles get stronger and more endurant over time and eventually doing crunches and sit ups will be like walking.

Hope it helped.

Julio- I dont completely disagree but the type of routine your describing is very limited. For starters there is no work for your obliques. If you are doing sets of 100-200 your body is no longer challenged by that movement. Your body has adapted to that specific exercise and you wont get any stronger. By varying exercises and reps you will gain much much more.

You should be doing exercises that are more difficult once you hit a number of reps like 30 or 50 so your STRENGTH keeps increasing. Changing exercises (harder exercises like v-ups or standing rollouts will require lower reps) all the time makes sure you dont just get 'good' at crunches or any particular exercise, your just plain getting stronger and more enduring. The thing is, your not training to be able to do 100 of this or 200 of that, your training to fight. So vary the exercises.

If you enjoy high rep work then consider doing circuits (but try not to forget your obliques eh ;-) like

5 standing rollouts
10 heavy incline russian twists per side
15 V-ups
15 weighted back extensions (BTW dont cause a muscle imbalance by neglecting your lower back)
50+ Chinnies till burn

Repeat 5 times (rest as needed 1:00-1:30 ish)

That routine WILL kick your ass. Your strength AND endurance is worked hard. And damn near every angle your abs can move or function is hit hard. And it is all adds up to alot of reps for the rep mongers among us. Julio, just try it once and hopefully youll realize this style of training is far better than a routine based on a handful of exercises.

I only do crunches because I heard that situps aren't healthy to do because the majority of people who do them, do them incorrectly.

Julio- I dont completely disagree but the type of routine your describing is very limited. For starters there is no work for your obliques. If you are doing sets of 100-200 your body is no longer challenged by that movement. Your body has adapted to that specific exercise and you wont get any stronger. By varying exercises and reps you will gain much much more.

You should be doing exercises that are more difficult once you hit a number of reps like 30 or 50 so your STRENGTH keeps increasing. Changing exercises (harder exercises like v-ups or standing rollouts will require lower reps) all the time makes sure you dont just get 'good' at crunches or any particular exercise, your just plain getting stronger and more enduring. The thing is, your not training to be able to do 100 of this or 200 of that, your training to fight. So vary the exercises.

If you enjoy high rep work then consider doing circuits (but try not to forget your obliques eh ;-) like

5 standing rollouts
10 heavy incline russian twists per side
15 V-ups
15 weighted back extensions (BTW dont cause a muscle imbalance by neglecting your lower back)
50+ Chinnies till burn

Repeat 5 times (rest as needed 1:00-1:30 ish)

That routine WILL kick your ass. Your strength AND endurance is worked hard. And damn near every angle your abs can move or function is hit hard. And it is all adds up to alot of reps for the rep mongers among us. Julio, just try it once and hopefully youll realize this style of training is far better than a routine based on a handful of exercises.

Good stuffs. What are chinnies and heavy incline russian twists?

Right now i do this for my abs:

3 x 40 sit ups
3 x 40 crunches
2 x 20 brining my knees to my mid section while holding myself on the pull up bar, alternate from side to side to work my obliques

The other one i have no idea what its called. Basically i lay on my front with my upper body not touching anything and i do what i would describe as inversed push ups. 2 x 20 of that.



By the way, don't try to convince that guy of anything. He used to say the most important thing in boxing is to do 1000 fist push-ups a day.

Bottom line, he is right, we are wrong. :spank:

julio your death has become the sole purpose of my existance. i wont stop until your head is on a pole you pig. i plan on beating the piss outta u then decapitation your skull on my front lawn to prove my point your foreign pice of trash!!:rofl: You are a funny looking guy, and my answer is you are most welcome to TRY!

Boxing Club Michelis
Avenue de Tarascon
Marseille 13011
France

OR

St Louis B.C.
8 Boulevard Denis Papin
13015 Marseille
France

After you get beaten up, at least you can enjoy the sun and fit birds (you may have to pay fatso).
The short answer to your question would be: Yes.

The long answer:

It depends, if you are just starting to train. In that case, start slowly, going from not training to training like a mad man won't do you any good. You need to let your body rest sometimes.

But after a while you will be able to work your abs out every day without even being sore. Your muscles get stronger and more endurant over time and eventually doing crunches and sit ups will be like walking.

Hope it helped.
He may suck big penises like the deformed Arturo Gatti, but this time the man is telling the truth! As I said before, you need to build it up slowly until you are doing prime RJJ routines like me. When I was a teenager I was slack and basically started my circuit work from scratch as I was absolutely **** at them even though I had blinding speed and power in sparring. It took me a year to go from 10 squats 10 press ups and 10 sit ups, to 1000 knuckle push ups per day, 1200 reps on the abs and around 300 various squat/thrust/burpee exercises. Through hard work, PATIENCE and determination, anyone can get there eventually! The 1000 press ups are excellent fro your punch output/workrate.

Landon S, I did not have time to elaborate but some of the crunches and sit ups I do are the twist variations for the obliques. Plus recently my trainer and I have added some medicine ball exercises to my routine, including banging the ball on the obliques for one round. Good job you reminded us all by bringing that up because tough obliques are important in boxing!

Equalibrium- Russian Twists www.rosstraining.com/articles/hardcore.html
You can do them on the floor or on a medicine ball too, I prefer the incline version since its more strict. Their at 2:24. I tried youtube but everybody had horrible form. I use almost the same weight (40lbs) and usually do 8 reps a side (from middle to left, from left to right, right to middle=1 rep each side)

Chinnies- www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtrZUic0AWE

He does chinnies after the pushups. These will burn. If you want a really bad burn bring your elbows to the outside of your knees instead of the inside like he does.

Julio- I see. Do you ever do anything on an incline board? I bought one about a year ago and my core strength went through the roof and Id only use it 2 or 3 times a week. Theres not alot of exercises that I know you can do on 1 but damn it helps. Russian twists get a gold star for sure, improved my hooks power and speed alot and thickened my obliques real good. I have a bit more mass on my left (always been like that) and I can really take a shot to my left side well, my right side not quite as well though but stil better than the guys at my gym. Lol the guys at the gym call me "Abs" cuz of how hard I work my abs and how resiliant I am to body shots.

Its hard to over train your abdominal muscels because ur using them to support your body every time u stand up. peace

Julio- I see. Do you ever do anything on an incline board? I bought one about a year ago and my core strength went through the roof and Id only use it 2 or 3 times a week. Theres not alot of exercises that I know you can do on 1 but damn it helps. Russian twists get a gold star for sure, improved my hooks power and speed alot and thickened my obliques real good. I have a bit more mass on my left (always been like that) and I can really take a shot to my left side well, my right side not quite as well though but stil better than the guys at my gym. Lol the guys at the gym call me "Abs" cuz of how hard I work my abs and how resiliant I am to body shots.
You sound a bit like me and you do right to work on abs alot. I found that workins the sides helps with your body shot resilience and delivery of hooks. It helps your general posture and mobility too! I have to say I am not really a big fan of the incline board and think it is a bit of a gimmick. I have one in my home gym and have NEVER used it. They give me back pains or a sore back but there are many pro's in the gym who find it helps. Especially part time fighters that want to do alot of work concentrated into a short period of time! I would say my dislike for it is not theoretical but a personal thing.
Its hard to over train your abdominal muscels because ur using them to support your body every time u stand up. peace

Good point! I forgot to mention that my sport physio also told me to pull them in and do exercises while you are breathing normally. This works the deeper muscles andnot the six pack ones. Since I have done them my posture has improved and I no longer get back pains even when sitting for a long time. Google search back physiotherapy and you might find them there!

Julio- No, its not a gimmick like alot of things are. Like I said it helped me immensely. Think about it...just as an example say you were doing crunches. The hardest time to do a crunch is when you are level since theres the most gravity acting against you. A regular crunch your only level at the start, but with an incline you can change the point that the hardest portion of a crunch or sit-up occurs. Thus training your abs at a different angle making them stronger at another point. Thats sort of one way to put it but in lamens terms it makes **** a whole lot harder since your not used to it. Either way, a harder variation like v-ups or lying leg twists really helps without a board...so in a way an incline board IS a gimmick but its a damn good one in my opinion.

Either way, Im not saying "do it my way" but no matter what vary exercises to keep a positive effect happening. Really....that is all that matters.

i woul not work out any muscle/muscles every single day. that is completely counterproductive. the abs can be worked with varying intensity every other day according to what i know.

good thing is, you can always work out other things besides muscles such as ligaments and tendons,etc.

I've noticed alot of people talk about overtraining when they are not even training that hard! it is very hard to overtrain, so don't use this as an excuse in your head to work less. You can and should do ab exercises everyday and you won't be overtraining **** all! Just make sure you take your time to build it up slowly but surely to about 1200 reps. I do 400 raises, 400 sit ups and 400 frog crunches (these work EVERY single muscle) in sets of 100 or 200. Most people go on about overtraining like its going out of fashion, when in reality they are out of shape. Work hard, reap the rewards!

its is very hard to overtrain... bull****. im sorry but u dont wanna push the kid to strain a muscle. I think even the less knowledgable when it comes to trainin would be able to work that out. people pull muscles or even snap tendons/ligaments in some cases of overtrainin ur body when ur muscles are not developed properly to cope with the kind of intensity ur telling him to do!

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Right what i would say is basically rest when u feel u need to rest dont fight against pain cos u dont kno if thatll lead to a nasty injury. drink plenty of water to replenish muscles as ur muscles are somethin like 70% water (dont know the figures to dont get quotin me) i think a day cardio & abdominal workout - rest the next day to do some weights, then rest the next day to do cardio & abdominal workout etc etc now im no expert but that sounds sufficient... ur givin different areas of ur body a days rest (plus drinkin water to replenish muscles) but ur still doin something on that rest day.

hope ive helped somewhat. never overtrain cos u will ****in hurt urself simple as.

again, i hope ive helped.

cya later dude :)

Its hard to over train your abdominal muscels because ur using them to support your body every time u stand up. peace

Great logic! I guess you can train your legs every day too (I know I support my body with those every time I stand up), and I use my arms constantly, too(even while typing this!). :chairshot

:rofl: You are a funny looking guy, and my answer is you are most welcome to TRY!

Boxing Club Michelis
Avenue de Tarascon
Marseille 13011
France

OR

St Louis B.C.
8 Boulevard Denis Papin
13015 Marseille
France

After you get beaten up, at least you can enjoy the sun and fit birds (you may have to pay fatso).

He may suck big penises like the deformed Arturo Gatti, but this time the man is telling the truth! As I said before, you need to build it up slowly until you are doing prime RJJ routines like me. When I was a teenager I was slack and basically started my circuit work from scratch as I was absolutely **** at them even though I had blinding speed and power in sparring. It took me a year to go from 10 squats 10 press ups and 10 sit ups, to 1000 knuckle push ups per day, 1200 reps on the abs and around 300 various squat/thrust/burpee exercises. Through hard work, PATIENCE and determination, anyone can get there eventually! The 1000 press ups are excellent fro your punch output/workrate.

Landon S, I did not have time to elaborate but some of the crunches and sit ups I do are the twist variations for the obliques. Plus recently my trainer and I have added some medicine ball exercises to my routine, including banging the ball on the obliques for one round. Good job you reminded us all by bringing that up because tough obliques are important in boxing!

france!!!! you ****in pansy!!! your a croissant!! your no fighter i would own you sissy!! bring your ass stateside and dance with the devil you out of shape *****. and im gorgeous the women love me go ask. i have a bodybuilders body with photoshoot looks!!