Name a war that fits that describtion

I'll begin: Bernard Hopkins vs. Antwun Echoles II

It had everything..! Bodyslams, big punches behind the heads, hits after the bell, low blows and other fouls..! Pure streetfight!

Benn vs Mclellan was a real streetfight too. Hits after the bell, Benn punched through the ropes, little defense on either side, rabbit punching, head butts.

Benn vs Mclellan was a real streetfight too. Hits after the bell, Benn punched through the ropes, little defense on either side, rabbit punching, head butts.

That **** was so much a streetfight Mclellan almost died! You're absolutely right, that's a streetfight 4sure

You can probably pick any of the fights between Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler. Those fights were as dirty as can be and involved kneeing, butting, rabbitpunching, elbowing and even biting.

Pep was normally a slick boxer but the dirty tactics from Saddler brought out the worst in him and he didnt hold back himself on the rough stuff.

You can probably pick any of the fights between Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler. Those fights were as dirty as can be and involved kneeing, butting, rabbitpunching, elbowing and even biting.

Pep was normally a slick boxer but the dirty tactics from Saddler brought out the worst in him and he didnt hold back himself on the rough stuff.

Or any Sandy Saddler fight really. Watch the Flash Elorde fight for some of the best work ever to open up a bad cut by using the head.

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The fourth fight between Pep and Saddler and the dirtiest, both fighters were suspended after this fight. Pep reportedly studied Judo to prepare for this fight because Saddler had roughed up and dislocated his shoulder during a clinch in their previous bout.

Some of George Foreman's early fights resembled street muggings rather than boxing contests.

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Riddick Bowe was always involved in crazy stuff:

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You can probably pick any of the fights between Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler. Those fights were as dirty as can be and involved kneeing, butting, rabbitpunching, elbowing and even biting.

Pep was normally a slick boxer but the dirty tactics from Saddler brought out the worst in him and he didnt hold back himself on the rough stuff.

Battling Nelson-Ad wolgast 2 was said to be as brutal a war as has ever been, and fought very dirty. I would of loved to see some of the blood baths of era's gone by that were never caught on film. Rules were broken on a regular basis in many fights back then.

Battling Nelson-Ad wolgast 2 was said to be as brutal a war as has ever been, and fought very dirty. I would of loved to see some of the blood baths of era's gone by that were never caught on film. Rules were broken on a regular basis in many fights back then.
That's right. And the one you mentioned just might have been the dirtiest fight ever. I would have mentioned that one if the thread wasn't only for the past 50 years.

That's right. And the one you mentioned just might have been the dirtiest fight ever. I would have mentioned that one if the thread wasn't only for the past 50 years.

I missed the "50 years" part. My reading comprehension isn't always what it should be.:no:

I missed the "50 years" part. My reading comprehension isn't always what it should be.:no:
:lol1:

Maybe I should have done a little homework myself: The last Pep-Saddler fight was in 1951 which is nearly 60 years ago. :nonono::nonono:

:lol1:

Maybe I should have done a little homework myself: The last Pep-Saddler fight was in 1951 which is nearly 60 years ago. :nonono::nonono:

Lol!!:twak:

Or any Sandy Saddler fight really. Watch the Flash Elorde fight for some of the best work ever to open up a bad cut by using the head.

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The fourth fight between Pep and Saddler and the dirtiest, both fighters were suspended after this fight. Pep reportedly studied Judo to prepare for this fight because Saddler had roughed up and dislocated his shoulder during a clinch in their previous bout.

Some of George Foreman's early fights resembled street muggings rather than boxing contests.

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Riddick Bowe was always involved in crazy stuff:

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Here's a personal question Manchine. Do you work for a magazine or anything boxing related, because i have to say, i've never seen such a vast knowledge of boxing from one person.

did cotto try suplex oktay lol after he kept gettin butted

Or any Sandy Saddler fight really. Watch the Flash Elorde fight for some of the best work ever to open up a bad cut by using the head.

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The fourth fight between Pep and Saddler and the dirtiest, both fighters were suspended after this fight. Pep reportedly studied Judo to prepare for this fight because Saddler had roughed up and dislocated his shoulder during a clinch in their previous bout.


Riddick Bowe was always involved in crazy stuff:

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The Pep-Saddler fighter gets really dirty at about the 6 min. mark. Those who havent seen it should take the time to look from there on out.

The Bowe fight is a classic. Kicks and stuff :lol1::lol1: and wasn't it Bowe's manager Newman trying to choke Tillery and drag him out of the ring? As I recall the incident wasn't there some suspension in the wake of this fiasco?

Was it Vargas-Ross Thompson, when Fernando tried to spit on him after dropping him? That was ca bit street.

Vinny Pazienza continuing to pummel Dana Rosenblatt and dropping the ref after Rosenblatt had been ko'd by a punch from ther cheap seats. All this prompted NJ commisioner Larry Hazard to rush into the ring and restrain Paz.

Was it Vargas-Ross Thompson, when Fernando tried to spit on him after dropping him? That was ca bit street.

Vinny Pazienza continuing to pummel Dana Rosenblatt and dropping the ref after Rosenblatt had been ko'd by a punch from ther cheap seats. All this prompted NJ commisioner Larry Hazard to rush into the ring and restrain Paz.

Yeah, Nando spit on Thompson.

Tony Ayala Jr. also spit on an opponent. He's such a scumbag. I detest him. He should be killed for the good of humanity.

Hopkins-Echols 2, Pedroza-Laporte, Casmayor-Katsidis were all pretty entertaining dirty fights.

Liles-Littles 2. I think there's a link to that in the video forum.

A must-see if you like wild, dirty fights.

Gatti/Ward was kinda streetfight. Kinda.

Jack Dempsey vs. Jesse Willard was hella a streetfight. Dempsey dipped his hands in plaster. Similar to brass knuckles? C'mon if that's not a street fight i don't know what is.

Gatti/Ward was kinda streetfight. Kinda.

Jack Dempsey vs. Jesse Willard was hella a streetfight. Dempsey dipped his hands in plaster. Similar to brass knuckles? C'mon if that's not a street fight i don't know what is.

Dempsey did NOT dip his hands in plaster, nor did he have a rail road ****e in his hand to make his punches harder. These myths have been put to rest repeatedly.

Can you supply any concrete (no pun intended) proof of these accusations? I would bet dollars to donuts that you can't.


Since when can't you say the word s-p-i-k-e on these boards without having it censored. Thats kind of weird.

Dempsey did NOT dip his hands in plaster, nor did he have a rail road ****e in his hand to make his punches harder. These myths have been put to rest repeatedly.

Can you supply any concrete (no pun intended) proof of these accusations? I would bet dollars to donuts that you can't.


Since when can't you say the word s-p-i-k-e on these boards without having it censored. Thats kind of weird.
Jab, I read about that railroad-****e or whatever it's called. I think it was Ferdie Pacheco who had talked to one of Dempseys handlers before he died. I think the story was that he had a picture of Dempsey discarding the object as he walked to his corner between round one and two.

There was something in the story about a sidebet Dempsey or his manager had made that Dempsey would KO Willard in the first thereby providing some motive for dempsey to cheat.

I'm pretty sure that said picture is gone by fire or something so only Ferdie knows if he told the truth.

Jab, I read about that railroad-****e or whatever it's called. I think it was Ferdie Pacheco who had talked to one of Dempseys handlers before he died. I think the story was that he had a picture of Dempsey discarding the object as he walked to his corner between round one and two.

There was a picture of something on the canvas, but it has never been proven what it was or how it got there or disappeared. Here is a little snippet I took from another site that casts even more doubt upon the "iron bolt" theory.


There are very good reasons to doubt that Dempsey was holding an iron load in his glove, besides the false and exaggerated “medical” report. These are best summed up by historian Stan Smith who makes the following observations, “I pulled my 16MM film of the fight and in the first part of round one, before the first knock down, Dempsey moved around the ring with open gloves. The ****e would have made a hell of a clunk when it hit the ring floor. He also used open gloves, with both hands; on Willard’s arm to push him out of clinches. After the first knock down Dempsey held the top rope with his left hand and after one of the other knockdowns he did the same with his right hand, so much for the iron-****e theory.”

There was something in the story about a sidebet Dempsey or his manager had made that Dempsey would KO Willard in the first thereby providing some motive for dempsey to cheat.
I'm pretty sure that said picture is gone by fire or something so only Ferdie knows if he told the truth.

I see where you're coming from but I gotta ask myself, does Dempsey take a chance on getting disqualified for heavyweight championship of the world by bringing a foriegn object to the ring in front of 50 thousand people or more (sorry, don't have the exact numbers)? I doubt it. On top of all this, to my knowledge Willard never accused Dempsey of cheating.

I see where you're coming from but I gotta ask myself, does Dempsey take a chance on getting disqualified for heavyweight championship of the world by bringing a foriegn object to the ring in front of 50 thousand people or more (sorry, don't have the exact numbers)? I doubt it. On top of all this, to my knowledge Willard never accused Dempsey of cheating.
Nice research jab and several good points made.

For the record I've read accounts of Willard to the day that he died believed Dempsey had loaded gloves. After all Willards facial injuries was horrific including several broken bones to go with his bashed-in face.

Nice research jab and several good points made.

For the record I've read accounts of Willard to the day that he died believed Dempsey had loaded gloves. After all Willards facial injuries was horrific including several broken bones to go with his bashed-in face.

Willards facial injuries are another thing touched upon that have been exxagerated over the years. Here is another exrpt from the article I have referenced. Lets also remember both Jack and Jess were wearing 5oz gloves that day. The equivalent of a world class fighter today wearing MMA gloves into a boxing match.

A statement was issued after the fight by Jim Byrne "official physician to a local athletic club in Toledo" that Willard had a dislocated jaw, a fractured cheek bone and several "mashed" ribs and that it would be "at least six weeks before Willard is back to normal condition and can move comfortably." This was reported in the Kansas City Times July 8, 1919, p. 10 "Willard's Jaw Dislocated.”

Pacheco and other reporters based the extent of Willard’s injuries off of this widely distributed report by Byrne who was not a physician. However it soon turned out that Jim Byrne was not a doctor, but was rather a "rubber" in a bathhouse in Battle Creek, Michigan. According to the reporter in an article, "Willard's Jaw is All Right," Kansas City Star, July 8, 1919, p.11, Byrne "doesn't know a nickel's worth about the human anatomy."

Other reports also make it clear that Willard was not as severely injured as has been claimed. An interview by a reporter from Kansas City on July 5, 1919, "Jess Refuses to Alibi," Kansas City Star, July 6, 1919, p. 14, the day after the fight, showed that "aside from the swelling on the right side of his face, which is under cold applications, he was none the worse apparently for his encounter with Dempsey."

In an interview on July 7, the Kansas City Times announced that Jess and his wife were leaving Toledo and driving their car back to Lawrence, Kansas that day. His condition seemed to be fine. "The swelling over his left eye had entirely disappeared and the only mark he bore was a slight discoloration over the eye and a cut lip." ("Willard starts for Home," Kansas City Times, July 8, 1919, p.10).

Another reporter interviewed Jess in Chicago on his way home. "Hello, Jess" said the reporter, "How do you feel ?" "Hello," said Willard, "I'm feeling great. Would you like to spar a few rounds ?" (Kansas City Star, July 10, 1919, p. 10).

Later, according to a reporter for the Topeka Daily Capital, July 16, 1919, p. 8, who interviewed Jess when he got back to Lawrence, "The ex-champion didn't have any black eye, nor any signs that he was injured in any way."

[QUOTE=BatTheMan;4444001]Nice research jab and several good points made.[QUOTE]

Thanks for the kind words my friend.

Willards facial injuries are another thing touched upon that have been exxagerated over the years. Here is another exrpt from the article I have referenced. Lets also remember both Jack and Jess were wearing 5oz gloves that day. The equivalent of a world class fighter today wearing MMA gloves into a boxing match.

A statement was issued after the fight by Jim Byrne "official physician to a local athletic club in Toledo" that Willard had a dislocated jaw, a fractured cheek bone and several "mashed" ribs and that it would be "at least six weeks before Willard is back to normal condition and can move comfortably." This was reported in the Kansas City Times July 8, 1919, p. 10 "Willard's Jaw Dislocated.”

Pacheco and other reporters based the extent of Willard’s injuries off of this widely distributed report by Byrne who was not a physician. However it soon turned out that Jim Byrne was not a doctor, but was rather a "rubber" in a bathhouse in Battle Creek, Michigan. According to the reporter in an article, "Willard's Jaw is All Right," Kansas City Star, July 8, 1919, p.11, Byrne "doesn't know a nickel's worth about the human anatomy."

Other reports also make it clear that Willard was not as severely injured as has been claimed. An interview by a reporter from Kansas City on July 5, 1919, "Jess Refuses to Alibi," Kansas City Star, July 6, 1919, p. 14, the day after the fight, showed that "aside from the swelling on the right side of his face, which is under cold applications, he was none the worse apparently for his encounter with Dempsey."

In an interview on July 7, the Kansas City Times announced that Jess and his wife were leaving Toledo and driving their car back to Lawrence, Kansas that day. His condition seemed to be fine. "The swelling over his left eye had entirely disappeared and the only mark he bore was a slight discoloration over the eye and a cut lip." ("Willard starts for Home," Kansas City Times, July 8, 1919, p.10).

Another reporter interviewed Jess in Chicago on his way home. "Hello, Jess" said the reporter, "How do you feel ?" "Hello," said Willard, "I'm feeling great. Would you like to spar a few rounds ?" (Kansas City Star, July 10, 1919, p. 10).

Later, according to a reporter for the Topeka Daily Capital, July 16, 1919, p. 8, who interviewed Jess when he got back to Lawrence, "The ex-champion didn't have any black eye, nor any signs that he was injured in any way."


Also found this........

The major questions surrounding this controversy are answered. It has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Dempsey did not have plaster of paris on his hand wraps. Jack Kearns credibility was never good and he had reasons to dislike Dempsey after their falling out when Dempsey fired him during his years when he was the champion. The testimony of eyewitnesses Nat Fleischer, trainer Jimmy Deforest, and second Teddy Hayes debunk Kearns story. The Cleveland Williams/Boxing Illustrated test puts the myth to rest. The film demonstrated that it would be impossible for Dempsey to have held an iron load in his hand given his actions in the ring. The cigar shaped object was probably just that, a cigar. Cigars were very, very popular amongst men in those days and fights were often viewed through a large cloud of smoke. The 5-ounce Sol Levinson gloves, water tight hand wraps, and Dempsey’s natural punching power and inner rage were more than enough to break Willard’s jaw and cause the injuries seen by various reporters after the fight.

Breland/Davis was a pretty rough fight and both guys certainly looked like they had been in street brawls at the conclusion of the fight. Davis' right eye was destroyed by Breland's jab/right. Both guys were bleeding profusely from the face, both men hurt, both throwing BOMBS (especially Davis...some of his punches were flat out wild).

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BOOM! Right hand outta left field. Never saw it coming.

I just realized that i misread the Thread header. For some reason I though this thread was about boxers fighting in streetfights outside of the ring. Anyone ever hear about the James J. Parker/Howard "Baldy" Chard fight in Vince Bagnato's gym in Toronto in the 1950's. Parker was Canadian heavyweight champ who fought and lost to Archie Moore. Chard was a local boxer and street tough who made a living from collecting for loan sharks. It was Canada's last reported bareknuckle bout and they fought for 12 mintues straight before their handlers pulled them apart and stopped the fight. My old coach in Toronto told me that Baldy was also involved in a bout in a box car where the winner was decided when a man was able to walk out of the box car. Baldy won. I haven't been able to find another source to corroborate this story.