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antonio30
12-01-2008, 02:45 AM
Anybody take it

whats the best brand

mishka80
12-01-2008, 03:07 AM
Optimum Nutrition 100% whey

get it'

Salty
12-01-2008, 05:52 AM
Just check the back of the container, try and get as much protein per serving as possible. May as well get one with max amount of protein for your $ rather than a 60/40 split in protein/carbs.

SOY-COMO-SOY
12-01-2008, 04:32 PM
There are two kinds of whey protein.
Whey Protein Isolate and Whey Protein Concetrate

The difference between the two are that
Whey Protein Isolate has 90-95% protein while Whey Protein Concetrate only contains 80-84% protein.

Most whey proteins are concetrate whey unless it specifies that it is Whey Isolate. However the concetrate contains (Whey protein concetrate,whey isolate, and whey peptides) While whey protein isolate only contains Whey protein Isolate.

When I bought my first jug of protein I didn't know the difference of the two proteins, so i bought the concetrate. But now I buy the Isolate. If there is a local GNC near by I would reccomend this ( it comes in strawberry, chocolate, and vanilla.)
http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3235539&cp=&sr=1&kw=whey+isolate&origkw=whey+isolate&parentPage=search

ohh yea one more thing Whey isolate protein doesn't come in a lot of different flavors like the concetrate does and it has some scientific reason that isolate cant have alot of flavors. I have only seen isolate in strawberry, chocolate, and vanilla

Trrmo
12-01-2008, 04:53 PM
There are two kinds of whey protein.
Whey Protein Isolate and Whey Protein Concetrate

The difference between the two are that
Whey Protein Isolate has 90-95% protein while Whey Protein Concetrate only contains 80-84% protein.

Most whey proteins are concetrate whey unless it specifies that it is Whey Isolate. However the concetrate contains (Whey protein concetrate,whey isolate, and whey peptides) While whey protein isolate only contains Whey protein Isolate.

When I bought my first jug of protein I didn't know the difference of the two proteins, so i bought the concetrate. But now I buy the Isolate. If there is a local GNC near by I would reccomend this ( it comes in strawberry, chocolate, and vanilla.)
http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3235539&cp=&sr=1&kw=whey+isolate&origkw=whey+isolate&parentPage=search

ohh yea one more thing Whey isolate protein doesn't come in a lot of different flavors like the concetrate does and it has some scientific reason that isolate cant have alot of flavors. I have only seen isolate in strawberry, chocolate, and vanilla

I personally think it makes no real difference to boxers if it is isolate or concentrate as long as you get the gram weight of protein you aim for. I use whey, max 1 scoop a day if I havent eaten enough protein from normal food sources (egg white, tuna, chicken, red meat etc).

SOY-COMO-SOY
12-01-2008, 05:09 PM
I personally think it makes no real difference to boxers if it is isolate or concentrate as long as you get the gram weight of protein you aim for. I use whey, max 1 scoop a day if I havent eaten enough protein from normal food sources (egg white, tuna, chicken, red meat etc).


I agree. I just thought i should share that w/ him. I take 1 scoop of protein as a meal replacement. I usually eat 4 small meals a day plus the scoop of protein.

I friend of mine that power lifts told me that if you consume more than 35g of protein at one time it will be pointless cuz you will just piss anything over 35g it out later. Has anyone ever heard this

Trrmo
12-01-2008, 06:01 PM
I agree. I just thought i should share that w/ him. I take 1 scoop of protein as a meal replacement. I usually eat 4 small meals a day plus the scoop of protein.

I friend of mine that power lifts told me that if you consume more than 35g of protein at one time it will be pointless cuz you will just piss anything over 35g it out later. Has anyone ever heard this

I have heard it but it will depend on how much you weigh for one thing. The most cited experts recommend around 1.7-1.9 gms of protein per kilogram bodyweight (about .8 - .9 per pound) per day for building muscle mass.

So if you weigh 75 kilos and need 140 gms of protein a day, then you could have 5 meals with 28gms of protein a day, or 3 meals with 46 gms of protein. Although it is probably better to have 5 small meals I dont think you would be pissing out the extra protein over 3 small daily meals.

TheTruthIs
12-01-2008, 07:28 PM
Personally, I wouldn't just 'take it'. Know what you currently are eating, and what you are getting from you meals.

Then know why you are taking it. In my case, I run lean on body fat, so use it for recovery after every workout, and to maximize lean muscle growth with that recovery. I take it about 10 mins after each workout...roughly 30g with 5g of L-glutamine.

It has accomplished two things I was looking for. It reduced muscle strains that I was experiencing as I was often getting catabolic, and has helped add the lean muscle I sought.

You can do it with food, certainly. But it isn't getting into your system as fast. Also....at the end of the month, it will likely cost you more in chicken breasts, steaks and tuna etc...then it will with whey protein to get similar results. So cheaper and more effective.

mishka80
12-01-2008, 08:19 PM
L-Glutamine is a waste of $$ imo.

get some BCAA...for better muscle recovery

Trrmo
12-01-2008, 08:36 PM
Personally, I wouldn't just 'take it'. Know what you currently are eating, and what you are getting from you meals.

Then know why you are taking it. In my case, I run lean on body fat, so use it for recovery after every workout, and to maximize lean muscle growth with that recovery. I take it about 10 mins after each workout...roughly 30g with 5g of L-glutamine.

It has accomplished two things I was looking for. It reduced muscle strains that I was experiencing as I was often getting catabolic, and has helped add the lean muscle I sought.

You can do it with food, certainly. But it isn't getting into your system as fast. Also....at the end of the month, it will likely cost you more in chicken breasts, steaks and tuna etc...then it will with whey protein to get similar results. So cheaper and more effective.

I just did some quick math. Here in Ecuador a scoop of whey protein from a large tub (cheapest one I can find for US $40 -ultimate nutrition whey) costs about US $1.30 for 23 gms of protein.
Steak for 100 gms about .65cents - 28 gms protein
4 whole eggs .51 cents 24 gms protein
6 eggs (whites) .80 cents 24 gms protein

so here anyway it is cheaper to buy protein rich food than whey. Whey acts faster sure but I think daily quantity is more important than timing.

I dont know about prices elsewhere in US or Europe for example. Anyone enlighten me?

SOY-COMO-SOY
12-01-2008, 09:24 PM
I just did some quick math. Here in Ecuador a scoop of whey protein from a large tub (cheapest one I can find for US $40 -ultimate nutrition whey) costs about US $1.30 for 23 gms of protein.
Steak for 100 gms about .65cents - 28 gms protein
4 whole eggs .51 cents 24 gms protein
6 eggs (whites) .80 cents 24 gms protein

so here anyway it is cheaper to buy protein rich food than whey. Whey acts faster sure but I think daily quantity is more important than timing.

I dont know about prices elsewhere in US or Europe for example. Anyone enlighten me?

I got a 5lb tub of whey protein for $38. Here is the link: http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2944038&cp=&sr=1&kw=100+whey+protein&origkw=100%25+whey+protein&parentPage=search

That tub has 78 servings in it. So thats almost $0.50 cents a serving. I think the whey protein tub is the cheapest form of protein. Cuz steak can be very expensive. I dont buy eggs, so I dont know how much they cost

Salty
12-01-2008, 09:28 PM
L-Glutamine is a waste of $$ imo.

get some BCAA...for better muscle recovery

Have you ever used glutamine? BCAA are expensive and arent worth the price tag they are given.

Glutamine is great after intense workouts to prevent muscle catabolism and also helps prevent carb cravings. I've never been sore after workouts since I've started taking it.

mishka80
12-01-2008, 09:39 PM
I just did some quick math. Here in Ecuador a scoop of whey protein from a large tub (cheapest one I can find for US $40 -ultimate nutrition whey) costs about US $1.30 for 23 gms of protein.
Steak for 100 gms about .65cents - 28 gms protein
4 whole eggs .51 cents 24 gms protein
6 eggs (whites) .80 cents 24 gms protein

so here anyway it is cheaper to buy protein rich food than whey. Whey acts faster sure but I think daily quantity is more important than timing.

I dont know about prices elsewhere in US or Europe for example. Anyone enlighten me?

Whey protein is good after working out.. to replenish lost muscle glycogen stores... sometimes I find it's more convenient..

TheTruthIs
12-01-2008, 09:50 PM
I just did some quick math. Here in Ecuador a scoop of whey protein from a large tub (cheapest one I can find for US $40 -ultimate nutrition whey) costs about US $1.30 for 23 gms of protein.
Steak for 100 gms about .65cents - 28 gms protein
4 whole eggs .51 cents 24 gms protein
6 eggs (whites) .80 cents 24 gms protein

so here anyway it is cheaper to buy protein rich food than whey. Whey acts faster sure but I think daily quantity is more important than timing.

I dont know about prices elsewhere in US or Europe for example. Anyone enlighten me?

Your economics is far different then ours (Canada). For any sort of variety of protein from food, and especially chicken breast which is ridiculously high, it is much cheaper for the whey. Steak is also fairly expensive, and I suppose I could get close enough with the tuna or eggs...but it would still cost more to meet needs. A large container of whey protein here is also only about 30$ w/ tax.

A chicken breast alone can cost about 3-4 dollars.

I could break it down into grams etc. and be specific, but that is far more work then I am interested in doing on the matter lol. You'll just have to trust me.

mishka80
12-01-2008, 10:11 PM
Have you ever used glutamine? BCAA are expensive and arent worth the price tag they are given.

Glutamine is great after intense workouts to prevent muscle catabolism and also helps prevent carb cravings. I've never been sore after workouts since I've started taking it.

I have glutamine, why else would I say it's a waste of $$$ if I haven't tried it ahha..it jsut sits in my cupboard. I get 4g of gluatmine from my Whey protein anyways...so why bother.

BCAA does the same thing. But since Glutamine is produced by my body...I think I sorta wasted my $.

But it's all about personal preference..its cheap... has a lot of servings.. so w/e

edit: Yeah, whey has BCAA in it as well.... and you're right about it being expensive.... just made me realize that lol

Danny Gunz
12-01-2008, 11:59 PM
Essential Supplements for Boxers


Multivitamins
Glutamine
Antioxidants
Whey Protein
Vitamin B
Creatine Ethyl Ester
Branch Chained Amino Acids (BCAA)


Just trying to help

Danny Gunz
12-02-2008, 12:02 AM
I just did some quick math. Here in Ecuador a scoop of whey protein from a large tub (cheapest one I can find for US $40 -ultimate nutrition whey) costs about US $1.30 for 23 gms of protein.
Steak for 100 gms about .65cents - 28 gms protein
4 whole eggs .51 cents 24 gms protein
6 eggs (whites) .80 cents 24 gms protein

so here anyway it is cheaper to buy protein rich food than whey. Whey acts faster sure but I think daily quantity is more important than timing.

I dont know about prices elsewhere in US or Europe for example. Anyone enlighten me?

Yea but what would you rather do cook up a steak every day after working out for a few less cents or just throw together a quick shake?

Salty
12-02-2008, 12:24 AM
Whey protein is good after working out.. to replenish lost muscle glycogen stores... sometimes I find it's more convenient..

Glycogen stores are replenished by carbohydrates, not protein, however most protein powders (especially ones titled "mass gainers") now have some carbs in there. Personally I think it is a waste of money to buy those, you can buy some milo/nesquik if you really despise the taste to add some carbs or eat some bread/cereal/potatoes, etc. are all good at replenishing the glycogen stores.

Salty
12-02-2008, 12:26 AM
I have glutamine, why else would I say it's a waste of $$$ if I haven't tried it ahha..it jsut sits in my cupboard. I get 4g of gluatmine from my Whey protein anyways...so why bother.

BCAA does the same thing. But since Glutamine is produced by my body...I think I sorta wasted my $.

But it's all about personal preference..its cheap... has a lot of servings.. so w/e

edit: Yeah, whey has BCAA in it as well.... and you're right about it being expensive.... just made me realize that lol

The difference is it can take up to 5 days to replenish your glutamine stores after an intense workout, without supplementation. You don't need a lot of BCAA's, unlike glutamine. But hey if it works for you that's great, but personally I'd try glutamine first and formost.

mishka80
12-02-2008, 12:32 AM
Glycogen stores are replenished by carbohydrates, not protein, however most protein powders (especially ones titled "mass gainers") now have some carbs in there. Personally I think it is a waste of money to buy those, you can buy some milo/nesquik if you really despise the taste to add some carbs or eat some bread/cereal/potatoes, etc. are all good at replenishing the glycogen stores.

Well the whey I buy has carbs in it (and it isn't a weightgainer..just a regular isolate protein). Anyways, like I said, after a workout.. I find it's more convenient.

mishka80
12-02-2008, 12:34 AM
The difference is it can take up to 5 days to replenish your glutamine stores after an intense workout, without supplementation. You don't need a lot of BCAA's, unlike glutamine. But hey if it works for you that's great, but personally I'd try glutamine first and formost.

Never knew that. Gonna give it a shot again. Do you take 5g pre/post workout? (Boxing days included?)

Trrmo
12-02-2008, 08:29 AM
Yea but what would you rather do cook up a steak every day after working out for a few less cents or just throw together a quick shake?

I do a shake, but use whole eggs and egg whites more than whey,but I work from home as well so can prepare my own meals usually no problem.

Shake usually has egg whites, whole egg, peanut butter, banana, skim milk, cornflakes or oats (oats is better but makes you fart like hell). Put in 5gms of creatine in the morning as well, but that is because I am trying to build up and concentrating on weights more than boxing now.