Tony Montana is the ultimate male icon.

- He takes life by the horns, takes what he wants.
- He is ambitious, career minded and hard working
- Remains loyal to his friends and when he gives his word and will not break it for nobody
- Takes **** from NO ONE, not even women like his sister or his wife. Or even his supplier Sosa when he threatens him.
- Loves his ma
- Is a strong advocate of democracy
- Made millions of dollars by building his own empire
- Died on his own two feet making a stand for his beliefs and for all that he had built.

He is truly an American hereo that every man in every free country can appreciate.

- J.

Plus he does loads of coke and shoots people.....

My mom has fake boobs.

Originally posted by Tanner Rhoden
My mom has fake boobs.

Mad boobs.

- J.

Originally posted by kaps
Plus he does loads of coke and shoots people.....

Well we all have our flaws....

You have to try and ruin everything don't you....

- J.

I wasnt trying too.....

Tony is da man. Period.

He just knows the way the world works, he knows it's a harsh place and the only way you get anywhere is by taking what you want, but yet having your own code and morals to live by. And he knows not to compromise his standards for ANYONE.

- J.

And he does loads of coke and shoots people.....

Originally posted by kaps
And he does loads of coke and shoots people.....

Yes he's a little rough around the edges.

Who doesn't want to do a little coke and shoot the odd person every now and then? Don't you?

- J.

Yeah....

TTT for Tony.

- J.

TTT for loads of coke an shooting people......

TTT for waking up

TTT for smoking weed.

TTT for being the bad guy

TTT for Luke's sister

Originally posted by The Jake
He just knows the way the world works

if that's the case then he would have had a clear idea on what he wanted from it. and if he had a clear idea then you wouldn't have heard the speech at the restaurant nor would he have died miserable. he's a perfect example of working the way the world wants you to work. materialism is a perfect cloud.

Originally posted by Purity
if that's the case then he would have had a clear idea on what he wanted from it. and if he had a clear idea then you wouldn't have heard the speech at the restaurant nor would he have died miserable. he's a perfect example of working the way the world wants you to work. materialism is a perfect cloud.

That's an interesting point.

Tony is very much a victim to materialism. But I also think that the fact he came from Cuba and had a very poor/very rough upbringing had a hand in that. He came from nothing and wanted it all. That's often the way it is for people in those situations. Others are just content for anything they can get.

I think he saw his wealth as an end in itself and not a journey or a means to a greater end. I think that's what his speech was about in the restaurant - a realisation of his situation and the reality of it.

I also think the fact his sister was dead and he shot his best friend may explain why he died miserable. That was the closest we ever see to remorse out of Montana for anything he's ever done (before the big shootout).

That said, despite the many character flaws Tony has, I feel that the innumerable strengths he has makes him a hero in many respects, they just remodelled him in the movie to be an 'antihero'. If he was in legitimate business he'd be a hero but because he's into drugs, he's "the bad guy" as he labels himself in the restaurant (again, back to that scene).

That's also why he accuses the rich people of not being good but better at hiding and why he "tells the truth even when I'm lying". He is saying he is honest about who he is and what he is and makes no qualms about it.

- J.

Originally posted by The Jake
That's an interesting point.

Tony is very much a victim to materialism. But I also think that the fact he came from Cuba and had a very poor/very rough upbringing had a hand in that. He came from nothing and wanted it all. That's often the way it is for people in those situations. Others are just content for anything they can get.

I think he saw his wealth as an end in itself and not a journey or a means to a greater end. I think that's what his speech was about in the restaurant - a realisation of his situation and the reality of it.

I also think the fact his sister was dead and he shot his best friend may explain why he died miserable. That was the closest we ever see to remorse out of Montana for anything he's ever done (before the big shootout).

he explained why he was miserable during the diner speech but not the "badguy" speech. it was the "is this all there is" one right before. that's where he realized that everything he wanted turned out not to be happiness.

Originally posted by The Jake

That said, despite the many character flaws Tony has, I feel that the innumerable strengths he has makes him a hero in many respects, they just remodelled him in the movie to be an 'antihero'. If he was in legitimate business he'd be a hero but because he's into drugs, he's "the bad guy" as he labels himself in the restaurant (again, back to that scene).

That's also why he accuses the rich people of not being good but better at hiding and why he "tells the truth even when I'm lying". He is saying he is honest about who he is and what he is and makes no qualms about it

anytime you play against the rules then you have to accept the risks. whereas overall business tactics used in the marketplace can be very similar to certain cut-throat ones in drug dealing, the fact remains that one is illegal and the other isn't.
to get to the top, one involves killing the right guy at the right time and having a lotta balls and persistence. where the other involves a combination of lots of education, years in the corporate world, long hours, balls and persistence.
obviously it takes a lot more sacrifice (minus the suicidal risk of life) to make it in the corporate world so that's why these "legal crooks" usually get away with their occassional unethical manuevers to make it big. so that is why i dismiss the "bad guy" speech.

if you wanna envy a movie gangster then you'll find vito corleone takes every aspect that you admire in montana to a much higher and respectful manner while combining (yeah, get this!) smarts to live out his life.

i think people envy montana mainly because they like to see some guy make it for doing hardly nothing and most people desire everything for nothing. i find it admirable only because it only proves that money earned quick will disappear quick.

Originally posted by Purity
he explained why he was miserable during the diner speech but not the "badguy" speech. it was the "is this all there is" one right before. that's where he realized that everything he wanted turned out not to be happiness.

He seemed like he was questioning his position in the restaurant scene. He didn't seem remorceful. Especially when he's verbally abusing his woman and the people in the restaurant.

He was remorseful when he shot Manny and took his sister back to his mansion, was sitting at his desk with a pile of coke, shaking his head. That was the only time in the whole film he looked TRULY remorseful.

Up until that point, I don't think he actually regretted anything he did. Then again, it just might be he wasn't introspective enough until that point.


anytime you play against the rules then you have to accept the risks. whereas overall business tactics used in the marketplace can be very similar to certain cut-throat ones in drug dealing, the fact remains that one is illegal and the other isn't.
to get to the top, one involves killing the right guy at the right time and having a lotta balls and persistence. where the other involves a combination of lots of education, years in the corporate world, long hours, balls and persistence.

To do real well in the business world also requires a hell of a lot of ruthlessness. When you're talking about mergers and acquisitions and they laying off of hundreds to thousands of employees, or offshoring work to other countries - the effect this will have on the economy, families, etc. etc. Well this has the potential to cause real damage and real harm.

Some could quite easily argue that the above causes more harm than a business that supplies a product to an eager and waiting market.


obviously it takes a lot more sacrifice (minus the suicidal risk of life) to make it in the corporate world so that's why these "legal crooks" usually get away with their occassional unethical manuevers to make it big. so that is why i dismiss the "bad guy" speech.

Honestly, apart from a willingness to do what is needed and not be afraid to sully your own hands I really do not see a hell of a lot of difference.

Both would require strong interpersonal and management skills, as well as good networks, an understanding of finances,etc.

The big difference is the setting between a board room and street. Both use pretty dirty tactics and I'm pretty sure office politics can be every bit as dirty as street politics.


if you wanna envy a movie gangster then you'll find vito corleone takes every aspect that you admire in montana to a much higher and respectful manner while combining (yeah, get this!) smarts to live out his life.

Vito was a nicer guy over all, I think but I like Montana's drive, courage, ambition and honesty.


i think people envy montana mainly because they like to see some guy make it for doing hardly nothing and most people desire everything for nothing. i find it admirable only because it only proves that money earned quick will disappear quick.

Maybe some. I like Montana for the reasons I stated above and in my first post. It's the character qualities he possesses and not the wealth and power.

- J.