1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Wille Pep
4. Joe Louis
5. Harry Greb
6. Benny Leonard
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Roberto Duran
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Jack Johnson
11. Mickey Walker
12. Tony Canzoneri
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Joe Gans
16. Sam Langford
17. Julio Cesar Chavez
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Stanley Ketchel
20 Barney Ross
21, Jimmy McLarnin
22. Archie Moore
23. Marcel Cerdan
24. Ezzard Charles
25. Sugar Ray Leonard
26. Joe Walcott (The original)
27. Jake LaMotta
28. Eder Jofre
29. Emile Griffith
30. Terry McGovern
31. George Foreman
32. Johnny Dundee
33. Jose Napoles
34. Pascual Perez
35. Billy Conn
36. Ruben Olivares
37. Joe Frazier
38. Tommy Loughran
39. Sandy Saddler
40. Kid Chocolate
41. Abe Attell
42. Evander Holyfield
43. George Dixon
44. Maxie Rosenbloom
45. Larry Holmes
46. Ted "Kid" Lewis
47. Marvin Hagler
48. Pernell Whitaker
49. Carlos Zarate
50. Thomas Hearns
51. Battling Nelson
52. Beau Jack
53. Ricardo ;Lopez
54. John L. Sullivan
55. Carlos Monzon
56. Alexis Arguello
57. Carmen Basillio
58. Pete Herman
59. Charley Burley
60. Ike Williams
61. Kid Gavilan
62. Jack Britton
63. Dick Tiger
64. Pancho Villa
65. Panama Al Brown
66. Bob Fitszimmons
67. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
68. Tiger Flowers
69. James J.Corbett
70. Tony Zale
71. Tommy Ryan
72. Georges Carpentier
73, Sonny Liston
74. "Kid" McCoy
75. Bob Foster
76. Freddie Welsh
77. Joe Jeanette
78. Jim Driscoll
79. Jersey Joe Walcott
80. Peter Jackson
81. Ad Wolgast
82. Jack Dempsey (The Nonpareil)
83. Manuel Ortiz
84. James J. Jeffries
85. Salvador Sanchez
86. Jimmy Barry
87. Carlos Ortiz
88. Roy Jones Jr.
89. Wilfredo Gomez
90. Aaron Pryor
91. Bernard Hopkins
92. Mike Gibbons
93. Jack Delaney
94. Johnny Kilbane
95. Willie Ritchie
96. Wilfredo Benitez
97. Packey McFarland
98. Rocky Graziano
99. Lew Jenkins
100. Mike Tyson

Just for anyone who's interested!

This list is bogus to an extent. I have the book he wrote for it and a lot of these guys boxed in the 1800's or early 1900's. The sport wasn't the same then. Plus it hasn't been updated since 2005, no Lennox Lewis among others.

It's a good book, but that list is trash.

Having Chavez above Whitaker and Hagler ranked so low :nonono:

think maybe u could add pbf to that list now

I think even attempting to make a list like this is bogus. Trying to rate fighters from vastly different eras is futile as the standards have evolved. Would Mike Tyson ever KO Jack Johnson? No one f'n knows, and no one could ever find out.

And even so, Marciano ranked waaaaaay too high.

how is chavez ranked ahead of Sugar Ray Leonard...what a joke.

14. Rocky MarcianoProves my point that the ****licker is overrated! Bert knows **** all and wears rose tinted glasses when it comes to black and white bums! Alot of **** they base it on is just nostalgia of an era gone by.

Naseem hamed would have Ko'd his number 3 robot!!

Youngest HW All time at 100, what did he do to deserve that rating?

Michael Spinks being omitted from the top 100 was the worst thing about that list.

I have the book as well, the first 2 are fine with me, but when he starts past 20 it gets a little stupid. Glad to see beau jack and ike willams make the list though.

WTF is larry holmes ranked so low? :smh:.
bull**** list.

The rating of Eder Jofre at 28 is low, I would rank him in the top ten

It is all so academic, once one gets past Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong and
Roberto Duran it is an academic game.

There are lots of debates about that list. I'm not sure Tyson deserves to be on there, among other things......

Nobody can call his list bogus. If there is a man that knows his list and its fighters from the inside out it's Bert Sugar. Research people. Extensive research leads to diffirent perspective, especially if it's a slow progress over years.

You also have to remember that most Boxing historians do not rate greatness by head to head matchups and era comparisons. That's fun and all, but it's completely based on theory, because we'll never know for sure. To be credible in ANYTHING you must have facts. Therefor we look at the factual material that is available such as fight footage, resume, accomplishments etc. THAT is how you rate greatness.

I'm really sick and tired of people having this superiority complex for todays fighters. Why must well over 10 decades of historical boxing be compared to ONE era? This current era?

Please, look at what they did in their respective times and prime, then rate them. Thank you.

i think these lists are kinda old school nuthuggery. jack johnson and jack dempsey that high? they were great for their time, but from the from the 50's until present it has been the peak talent wise.

boxers now don't box like boxers from the 1910's. jack johnson was defeated by a boxer that didn't start boxing until he was 30. i don't know when dempsey started training but i think his early experiences in fighting were bar fights. maybe in accomplishments, but i think a lot of these lists are nut hugging the old school.

there's not a lot of recent fighters in his top 15 even. take marciano's accomplishments and they're about the same as lennow lewis's or lewis may have slightly more. i'm sure lewis has been through more challenges than marciano and is probably more skilled.

it's probably because of the history boxing has and the fact that not a lot of boxers defend their titles for 10 years straight anymore, but i think from the 50's until present has been the most talented era.

I think even attempting to make a list like this is bogus. Trying to rate fighters from vastly different eras is futile as the standards have evolved. Would Mike Tyson ever KO Jack Johnson? No one f'n knows, and no one could ever find out.

I totally agree with you man. That's why I never really take part in this kind of ****. It's all speculation.

It's pretty difficult to compile such a list. Of course one might expect something better from a distinguished writer such as Bert Sugar. Some of the names mentioned in the thread is obvious faults on Sugars behalf.

THAT LIST IS TERRIBLE!!! Carlos monzon 55th? charley burley 59? how can you not have learnard in your top ten! the guy is a gob****e

It's pretty difficult to compile such a list. Of course one might expect something better from a distinguished writer such as Bert Sugar. Some of the names mentioned in the thread is obvious faults on Sugars behalf.

I am the first to admit that I am not qualified to make a good list. Even I find this list a bit shocking.

that list, aside form the top 2 is absolute ****.seriously.i can't take him seriously anymore.

My selection of the top ten include (not in any particular order)
Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran, Joe Louis, Archie Moore,
Barney Ross, Tony Canzoneri, Willie Pep, Eder Jofre and Jimmy Wilde.

Concerning tthe current boxers: a few may make the top 50 list at some point
but many are of average ability with average competition. Until they finish
their own tours of duty they are not yet ready for any list of all time greats.

Like Willie Pep, how many of todays hotshots could win a round with defensive skill alone. How many of todays heavyweights could land the perfect left hook
like a Jersey Joe Walcott did against Ezzard Charles.

Regardless of what yardsticks are used to measure greatness, Sugar Ray Robinson
ranks at the top.

kid gavilan is also ranked higher than jones and hopkins on that list.

that list, aside form the top 2 is absolute ****.seriously.i can't take him seriously anymore.

I never took him seriously in first place which his smelly yellow teeth! he does chat **** and ytou are right about only his top 2 making sense.

Youngest HW All time at 100, what did he do to deserve that rating?



Beat up on a Bunch of Cans

Beat up on a Bunch of Cans
Well at least he didn't struggle V old men like your hero who had no defence. He is the biggest overrated bum out there and blocking shots with your head is not deserving of a top 20 spot! I don't think Sloppiano even makes the top 15 heavies of all time, never mind p4p lol. This is what I meant by the ugly cunt being overrated. He was ****ing ****e!!! Bert Sugar suffers from senility, but what's your excuse??

Well at least he didn't struggle V old men like your hero who had no defence. He is the biggest overrated bum out there and blocking shots with your head is not deserving of a top 20 spot! I don't think Sloppiano even makes the top 15 heavies of all time, never mind p4p lol. This is what I meant by the ugly cunt being overrated. He was ****ing ****e!!! Bert Sugar suffers from senility, but what's your excuse??

STFU man your nothing but a ****ing Dumbass

atlest Marciano didnt Strugel with the Likes of Tillis

floyd will be added soon, and might i add, pretty high up based on overall dominance, accomplishments in the amount of time he accomplished it in, and impact on the sport, and overall skillset, as imo only ali and ray robinson rivals his skillset overall.

My selection of the top ten include (not in any particular order)
Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran, Joe Louis, Archie Moore,
Barney Ross, Tony Canzoneri, Willie Pep, Eder Jofre and Jimmy Wilde.

Concerning tthe current boxers: a few may make the top 50 list at some point
but many are of average ability with average competition. Until they finish
their own tours of duty they are not yet ready for any list of all time greats.

Like Willie Pep, how many of todays hotshots could win a round with defensive skill alone. How many of todays heavyweights could land the perfect left hook
like a Jersey Joe Walcott did against Ezzard Charles.

Regardless of what yardsticks are used to measure greatness, Sugar Ray Robinson
ranks at the top.floyd would beat willie pep and you know it.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Wille Pep
4. Joe Louis
5. Harry Greb
6. Benny Leonard
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Roberto Duran
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Jack Johnson
11. Mickey Walker
12. Tony Canzoneri
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Joe Gans
16. Sam Langford
17. Julio Cesar Chavez
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Stanley Ketchel
20 Barney Ross
21, Jimmy McLarnin
22. Archie Moore
23. Marcel Cerdan
24. Ezzard Charles
25. Sugar Ray Leonard
26. Joe Walcott (The original)
27. Jake LaMotta
28. Eder Jofre
29. Emile Griffith
30. Terry McGovern
31. George Foreman
32. Johnny Dundee
33. Jose Napoles
34. Pascual Perez
35. Billy Conn
36. Ruben Olivares
37. Joe Frazier
38. Tommy Loughran
39. Sandy Saddler
40. Kid Chocolate
41. Abe Attell
42. Evander Holyfield
43. George Dixon
44. Maxie Rosenbloom
45. Larry Holmes
46. Ted "Kid" Lewis
47. Marvin Hagler
48. Pernell Whitaker
49. Carlos Zarate
50. Thomas Hearns
51. Battling Nelson
52. Beau Jack
53. Ricardo ;Lopez
54. John L. Sullivan
55. Carlos Monzon
56. Alexis Arguello
57. Carmen Basillio
58. Pete Herman
59. Charley Burley
60. Ike Williams
61. Kid Gavilan
62. Jack Britton
63. Dick Tiger
64. Pancho Villa
65. Panama Al Brown
66. Bob Fitszimmons
67. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
68. Tiger Flowers
69. James J.Corbett
70. Tony Zale
71. Tommy Ryan
72. Georges Carpentier
73, Sonny Liston
74. "Kid" McCoy
75. Bob Foster
76. Freddie Welsh
77. Joe Jeanette
78. Jim Driscoll
79. Jersey Joe Walcott
80. Peter Jackson
81. Ad Wolgast
82. Jack Dempsey (The Nonpareil)
83. Manuel Ortiz
84. James J. Jeffries
85. Salvador Sanchez
86. Jimmy Barry
87. Carlos Ortiz
88. Roy Jones Jr.
89. Wilfredo Gomez
90. Aaron Pryor
91. Bernard Hopkins
92. Mike Gibbons
93. Jack Delaney
94. Johnny Kilbane
95. Willie Ritchie
96. Wilfredo Benitez
97. Packey McFarland
98. Rocky Graziano
99. Lew Jenkins
100. Mike Tyson

Just for anyone who's interested!



pretty bad list, many bad placements, the ones i bolded are ranked far too high...

eg: how the **** could you put cerdan over la motta????

I can't find Duran in there...

I can't find Duran in there...

You're not looking hard enough my man. He's number 9. :fing02:

I can't find Duran in there...

You're not looking hard enough my man. He's number 9. :fing02:

He's number #8!

1 place above Dempsey and 1 place below Ali.