i notice tito love to use his elbows so he can set up his left hook he did it against joppy..that is so cheap he will never get my respest

trigger relax stop waisting banwith space with this nonsense stuff

yea so wat? does he hit them with an elbow or fist. Its a good move to get punching room.

i notice tito love to use his elbows so he can set up his left hook he did it against joppy..that is so cheap he will never get my respest
Stupid post. Floyd Mayweather does the same thing.

He doesn't use his elbow as a weapon like Tyson used to. he used to throw the hook and follow through w/the elbow to clip you if he missed.

Trinidad uses the elbow/forearm to prevent from being clinched and tied up. And he has leverage to pull out and throw a hook. Look at what Kostya did last night every time Mitchell tried to hold.

It's perfectly legal as long as u dont use the elbow as a weapon. you have a right to try to block or prevent a clinch. Excessive clinching and holding IS ILLEGAL
You need to learn boxing and what's happening and this will prevent you from idiotic posts in the future. Good day

What about low blows?

Some of you speak as if Trinidad is/was the only fighter to be dirty. If some elbows bother you, then i guess you don't respect Bernard Hopkins, Fritzie Zivic, Eusebio Pedroza, Harry Greb, Sandy Saddler, and Gene Fullmer either. Those fighters wer just as dirty, if not moreso.

Some of you speak as if Trinidad is/was the only fighter to be dirty. If some elbows bother you, then i guess you don't respect Bernard Hopkins, Fritzie Zivic, Eusebio Pedroza, Harry Greb, Sandy Saddler, and Gene Fullmer either. Those fighters wer just as dirty, if not moreso.

I don't remember those fighters throwing only less low blows than Golota.

Some of you speak as if Trinidad is/was the only fighter to be dirty. If some elbows bother you, then i guess you don't respect Bernard Hopkins, Fritzie Zivic, Eusebio Pedroza, Harry Greb, Sandy Saddler, and Gene Fullmer either. Those fighters wer just as dirty, if not moreso.
Excellent post

What about low blows?
Trinidad throws shot to the hips to freeze a fighter from running. Sometimes they stray low. Low blows have never been the reason he won a fight. Hopkins throws low blows blatantly when the ref is out of position clearly trying to annoy his opponent. He's called smart, canny and gritty and great for that. Trinidad hurt Mayorga with a hook to the body in the 4th round that was right on the border but it was legal. An inch lower and it's a low blow. **** happens. It's a fight. If you get hit low, you know waht you do? You don't whine like a little *****. You hit the ****er back. It's all even.

Julio Cesar Chavez loved to throw his elbows. If you throw the left hook, you've landed your share of elbows too.

I don't remember those fighters throwing only less low blows than Golota.

They threw their fair share of low blows. Not only that, some of the aforementioned fighters liberally did other illegal tactics: holding and hitting, lacing, and used their heads, shoulders, elbows, and thumbs.

Look, i'm not approving or disapproving of Trinidad's tactics. But some make it out to be that Trinidad is the dirtiest and the only dirty fighter. There were numerous greats that were dirty. This ain't golf. Boxing is a rough and tough sport.

Some of you speak as if Trinidad is/was the only fighter to be dirty. If some elbows bother you, then i guess you don't respect Bernard Hopkins, Fritzie Zivic, Eusebio Pedroza, Harry Greb, Sandy Saddler, and Gene Fullmer either. Those fighters wer just as dirty, if not moreso.

nope i dont
lol

Julio Cesar Chavez loved to throw his elbows. If you throw the left hook, you've landed your share of elbows too.

exactly
with any kind of big hook swing
an elbow is bound to land sooner or later

i notice tito love to use his elbows so he can set up his left hook he did it against joppy..that is so cheap he will never get my respest

He doesn't need your "respest"... :cool:

Tyson was the king of using his elbows.

well Holyfield doesn't you his elbows but he sure as hell uses that steelplated forehead of his to headbutt people.

well Holyfield doesn't you his elbows but he sure as hell uses that steelplated forehead of his to headbutt people.
With an egg that size, how could he not head butt. I excuse him for that. What a wrecking ball

yea but I totaly understand why tyson bit his ear off

yea but I totaly understand why tyson bit his ear off
Come on. That was bogus. A convenient excuse. If Tyson would've used his forearm to prevent Evander from clinching, his head wouldn't be an issue. But Tyson has always allowed opponents who can last to tie him up. When you got 2 guys wrestling all the time, headbutts are inevitable. Tyson was at fault for cooperating

I know head butts are inevitable it just always seems like holyfield gets the better end of it, I mean look what he did to rahmans? I'm just saying I think Holyfields forehead is just as dirty or even worse than an elbow but in the end it's all part of boxing.

Well **** as long as its all a aprt of boxing Tyson didnt need his elbow to keep Evander from headbutting and by biting the **** out of him he really WASNT cooperating now was he? Cheating to win does not make you great sorry if you are truly great you wouldnt need illegal tactics to win. If Tito never won a fight because of the dirty **** then why do it? To prove how big of an ******* he is or what? Granted some things do happen but these refs need to pay some ****ing attention. Ruiz's sorry ass should have been disqualified in his last 30 fights he excessively holds in every round of every fight.

I know head butts are inevitable it just always seems like holyfield gets the better end of it, I mean look what he did to rahmans? I'm just saying I think Holyfields forehead is just as dirty or even worse than an elbow but in the end it's all part of boxing.
I didnt see Evander slinging his head as a weapon. He just keeps it down and goes forward and Rahman stood there. Rahman should've been asking himself why he struggled with an old almost 40 year old shot fighter who James Toney KO'd and Chris Byrd clowned. When Rahman fought Ruiz you see why. Rahman is crap. Crying about Evander's head shouldn't have been his focus. It shoudl've been his boxing skills which Rahman has never improved. Guys like him look for excuses when they loose. Evander almost knocked him out from punches not headbutts

Trinidad throws shot to the hips to freeze a fighter from running. Sometimes they stray low. Low blows have never been the reason he won a fight.

Trinidad-Vargas

After surviving the 1st round, Vargas came back strong and was putting the heat on Trinidad. Each time he's in a tight fix, he'll hit Vargas low to give himself some breathing spell and break the momentum. It happened like 2,3 times i remember. Clever.

well Holyfield doesn't you his elbows but he sure as hell uses that steelplated forehead of his to headbutt people.

yeah i agree and that was the reason why tyson bit his ear!

holyfield doesnt use his head as a weapon. He just charges with it, and if you get you in the way, it creams you. You cant justify what Tyson did, but at least i c why he did it.

Using your elbow in a professional boxing is legal unless you're not overdoing it! I mean, if you're just using it as a defense or when you're pressing a boxer who's about to go down and that would prevent him from holding that's just ok! But let's say the boxer uses his elbow like jacky chan, that's not boxing anymore, he should try to shift to karate instead, not boxing! Well, this is not a common call for a boxing match, have you ever seen a fighter been deducted a point for illegaly using his elbow? Because by using your elbow to cheat, that would be pretty obvious and the refere would naturally call it.

holyfield doesnt use his head as a weapon. He just charges with it, and if you get you in the way, it creams you. You cant justify what Tyson did, but at least i c why he did it.

well, maybe, but im not arguing. that's just what i thought, holyfield used his head many times but not really caught because it's hard calling a head butt, the referee would always call it as an accidental head butt.

Trinidad will use that elbow to push a guy off to set up the left hook- but that doesn't mean he still isn't a brutal, vicious fighter. He is.

Ali use to *****-slap...So does Chris Byrd...

Tito "dirty"? Maybe, maybe not.

His behaviour overall, from fight to fight, probably doesn't warrant the "dirty" title.

However, on a given night, the tactics employed by one fighter could be "dirty" compared to the other. Or, should I say "dirtier"?

BHops would be regarded as "dirty" versus most of his opponents who weren't able to stay on the outside. Hops has never been subtle or discreet either, so we don't need to debate who was the dirty guy versus Tito.

Trinidad-Vargas

After surviving the 1st round, Vargas came back strong and was putting the heat on Trinidad. Each time he's in a tight fix, he'll hit Vargas low to give himself some breathing spell and break the momentum. It happened like 2,3 times i remember. Clever.
Very clever indeed. But not dirty. Tito had Vargas out by the 3rd round and he got his eyeball scratched from Vargas' glove (very very painful and annoying I've had mine scractched several times. Your eye runs, you keep blinking and can't see). Remember he was blinking badly and couldnt see and then in the 4th he got dropped and Vargas stole the play. I don't call taht dirty by Tito. I call that smart. If he were Camacho Jr. or Sharmba Mitchell, he would've went to his corner whining, they would've stopped the fight and then he would've called for a rematch because he was robbed by the doctors.

i notice tito love to use his elbows so he can set up his left hook he did it against joppy..that is so cheap he will never get my respest


this is a stupid post!! all the greats don't cheat, they just know what they are doing!! no fighter is perfect. hey trigger, i ****ing doubt tito needs your respect. i think he'll get through the night after reading this. trinidad has all the respect from others!! tito is great!!

trust me alot of people dont respect him...puy tito against a real fighter ane he will lose.