man ....

and here i thought the muppets would never be corrupted ****ing ***gy ass producers.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031124/ap_on_he_me/un_aids_muppet_1

Why stop with a muppet with aids - Maddox.... (http://www.maddox.xmission.com/muppet.html)

**** just use some gay guy whos got it or... dont destroy something kids grow up on. Let them learn through other sources

Muppets with AIDS.... WTF?

Morons.

Once again, Maddox is correct with the quickness.

- J.

Actually, this is old news man, like almost a year......

Welcome to yesterday

Well it's not like I watch Sesame St regularly Kaps....

- J.

Besides, this muppet is in South Africa, where AIDS is not just a sexual disiese anymore. She is supposed to of gotten it from her parents and because there are a large number of childern who have lost thier parents to AIDS and are infected with HIV themselves its a good idea.

I strongly disagree with maddox on this one

Well you see that's the difference between you and Maddox.

You're a 'tard, he isn't.

- J.

Creed has a good point. AIDS in Africa is as a true epidemic. The lack of education to the kids is one of the main contributors...anything that helps them out is worthwhile.

Then Maddox is correct.

Why stop there?

Let's educate kids on homeless, STDs, rape, sexual abuse, gambling, drug abuse, we can have a muppet for each one!

- J.

Originally posted by The Jake
Then Maddox is correct.

Why stop there?

Let's educate kids on homeless, STDs, rape, sexual abuse, gambling, drug abuse, we can have a muppet for each one!

- J.

Well, we don't educate them thru muppets but educating kids about thoses topics is a good idea. The sad thing is that shows like that have to educate kids about these things. Parents don't do it anymore

Do you know what MATURE CONTENT means?

- J.

Furthermore you're stating it's the responsibility of kids TV to educate children???

Talk about perpetuating the argument of the TV babysitter....

- J.

Good idea...however the AIDS situation in Africa is far worse than that in the rest of the world, particularly among the blacks.

teaching kids is easy as long as you have a medium they can relate to...hence the muppet does a good job. So what if it is a character from Sesame st...

Originally posted by seldomTap
Good idea...however the AIDS situation in Africa is far worse than that in the rest of the world, particularly among the blacks.

teaching kids is easy as long as you have a medium they can relate to...hence the muppet does a good job. So what if it is a character from Sesame st...

So whats wrong with educating kids with muppets on other issues like rape, sexual abuse, drug abuse, gambling, etc?

You're right, kids will relate to a muppet. Surely it's important we educate them on the hard core issues that really matter.

Obviously my sarcasm is elluding everyone today - it's because these are MATURE CONTENT THEMES.

There's a reason we don't teach kids sex ed in kindergarten. It's because a certain level or awareness about the world and themselves - a certain level of MATURITY is REQUIRED.

Pull your heads out of your asses.

- J.

And this is far from suggesting the TV babysitter is a good thing.

You also have to remember this is africa Jake. Kids go thru a lot more there and mature a lot faster.

So please stop quoting Maddox. He isn't always right

Originally posted by Creed
You also have to remember this is africa Jake. Kids go thru a lot more there and mature a lot faster.

And you're basing this on your extensive worldly experience of what exactly?

What facts do you have to back this up?

You're speculating on a culture you know next to nothing about.

So please stop quoting Maddox. He isn't always right

It's not always that he's right it's just that I think you're flat out WRONG on this.

- J.

Originally posted by The Jake
So whats wrong with educating kids with muppets on other issues like rape, sexual abuse, drug abuse, gambling, etc?

You're right, kids will relate to a muppet. Surely it's important we educate them on the hard core issues that really matter.

Obviously my sarcasm is elluding everyone today - it's because these are MATURE CONTENT THEMES.

There's a reason we don't teach kids sex ed in kindergarten. It's because a certain level or awareness about the world and themselves - a certain level of MATURITY is REQUIRED.

Pull your heads out of your asses.

- J.

Mature content isn't valid in this scenario.

Something like 40% of black kids in Africa are infected at birth with HIV, hence sitting them down at 3 and trying to give them a medical reason why this is happening won't work, all they know is their mother is sick, they have it, but they may feel fine right now.

They aren't teaching about sex as such, more like awareness in general

Originally posted by seldomTap
Mature content isn't valid in this scenario.

Something like 40% of black kids in Africa are infected at birth with HIV, hence sitting them down at 3 and trying to give them a medical reason why this is happening won't work, all they know is their mother is sick, they have it, but they may feel fine right now.

They aren't teaching about sex as such, more like awareness in general

So how is educating a kid that he's gonna die before his 5th birthday because of a **** up his parents made gonna help change anything?

All I can see it doing is breeding a lot of hate and anger in the few years the little ****ers have to spend in the world.

How about educating the people old enough to start copulating? That might be a good idea. Start targeting the right audience and not the ****en kids.

Jesus Christ, what the **** is a 5 year old gonna learn about "gloving up" for sex?

- J.

Originally posted by The Jake
And you're basing this on your extensive worldly experience of what exactly?

What facts do you have to back this up?

You're speculating on a culture you know next to nothing about.

[b]

It's not always that he's right it's just that I think you're flat out WRONG on this.

- J.

Yeah, I guess in a place were the capitial city has the highest murder rate in the world, were AIDS and poverty are common place and for the majority of the past 50 years the majority of the population was treated as sub human. Yeah, what WAS I think

Originally posted by The Jake
So how is educating a kid that he's gonna die before his 5th birthday because of a **** up his parents made gonna help change anything?

All I can see it doing is breeding a lot of hate and anger in the few years the little ****ers have to spend in the world.

How about educating the people old enough to start copulating? That might be a good idea. Start targeting the right audience and not the ****en kids.

Jesus Christ, what the **** is a 5 year old gonna learn about "gloving up" for sex?

- J.

It isn't meant to be to breed hate in kids that are infected, it is to widen knowledge of the disease and understanding of what it is and how it can be caught etc.
I'm pretty sure the Muppet isn't dealing with kids tarping up at age 5, but it is pretty standard in third world countries for kids to start earlier than western society, 11 would be average.

The point is...if you did a poll of kids under 10 in your area, I would guess a large percentage of them have some knowledge about AIDS through whatever means (standard TV adds for instance)...do the same in Africa, it would be far less. Ignorance is killing them

Originally posted by Creed
Yeah, I guess in a place were the capitial city has the highest murder rate in the world, were AIDS and poverty are common place and for the majority of the past 50 years the majority of the population was treated as sub human. Yeah, what WAS I think

I have yet to hear a single GOOD reason how you believe a muppet will fix all this.

- J.

It won't fix all of anything...but it may actually help in a long term awareness of the problem for a new generation...

Originally posted by seldomTap
It isn't meant to be to breed hate in kids that are infected, it is to widen knowledge of the disease and understanding of what it is and how it can be caught etc.
I'm pretty sure the Muppet isn't dealing with kids tarping up at age 5, but it is pretty standard in third world countries for kids to start earlier than western society, 11 would be average.

I understand that the typical age group is going down. But I mean kids at the target age group of Sesame Street barely have an attention span that lasts 30 seconds. You expect them to remember what the **** they heard on Sesame St when they were 5? Hell no. I can barely remember who my best friends were let alone **** like that.


The point is...if you did a poll of kids under 10 in your area, I would guess a large percentage of them have some knowledge about AIDS through whatever means (standard TV adds for instance)...do the same in Africa, it would be far less. Ignorance is killing them

Indeed ignorance is killing them. And there needs to be a greater level of education.

I just disagree that it should be
a) Sesame Street - given the typical age group of their select audience
b) the responsibility of a TV show.

If not the parents, then it should be the education system.

That said, even your wonderful muppet idea is for naught if it's some village stuck out in the middle of the jungle that doesn't even have running water, electricity or condoms let alone a television.

Which is why it should be the responsibility of the government and UN to assist them where necessary and not the responsibility of a tv show or a muppet.

- J.

Furthermore, education requires a lot more than a muppet to solve the world's ills. Especially for children.

The information must be packaged, structured and delivered in way that it will be received AND retained.

They must be ready for the information, wanting to learn and it must be presented in a manner that is not easily forgotten.

Having an immortal muppet with AIDS is hardly conducive unless they're planning on killing it off sometime soon. This would present all sorts of issues in itself for the next generation of kids who will never know of the wonderful muppet that died of AIDS.

Why else would you think we don't teach calculus and algebraic equations to 8 year olds? It's because they've got at least another 8 years of math to do before they're even READY for that ****, that's why.

Understand my point?

- J.

The Muppet isn't the only part of it. There is also a large adult education system starting and most of it UN or government sponsored. Sesame got the press cause it has trodden on some sensibilities.

In a lot of these cases, the parents are as ignorant as the kids, so somehting different has to happen.

Like I said, I doubt the muppet will be sliding one on so he is safe..

You may see that Seldom but it appears Creed doesn't.

- J.

look at this way. Maybe if I was told about sex when I was younger I could have had a better game.

Originally posted by Gman
look at this way. Maybe if I was told about sex when I was younger I could have had a better game.

Yes but not at age 5 with Muppets telling you how to get laid safely.

- J.

There is a sigma about using birth control in africa. You have the cathloic church telling people they will go to hell for using them.

So they need to use a mediem that is just as powerful. Television. Your right though, it won't slove everything but its a start, and a start is what we need